>Join Netflix in 2018>Animation department went in shambles early 2020s>Project in development hell>Can’t leave due to his contract>Still at Netflix and no telling when his contract will endDid he or Netflix fucked his career up?
>>150432588Probably. Who knows. Maybe he'll shit out something new tomorrow and it'll be the best/worst thing ever made.
>>150432588Netflix is the worst movie / TV studio. The only reason they're relevant is because they have the most subscribers so everyone has to kiss their ass. Not even Disney has done as much damage to the movie industry as Netflix.
>>150432588>shits on disney>moves to netflix>projects gets cannedKarma
>>150432588Alex Hirsch is notoriously bad at meeting deadlines and staying under budget, and it seems that hasn't changed since leaving Disney. I know Netflix doesn't actually care about animation since they on average commit to about 10-20 episodes before canning any cartoon of theirs, but don't you find it a little peculiar how his Netflix project was the only one here that couldn't make it out on time? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRMazof6RMc Skilled writer and voice actor, but highly uncooperative employee who keeps taking the backing of major studios for granted instead of compromising when necessary.
>>150434257Kid Cosmic and Centaurworld were the best of these
>>150432588Yes>Alex Hirsch is notoriously bad at meeting deadlines and staying under budget, and it seems that hasn't changed since leaving Disney.Any proof of that?At most IIRC Alsex said that making season 1 of Gravity falls was so exhausting he only continued because one celebrity admitted liking the show and that is part of the reason Season 2 & 3 were combined to just season 2.
>>150434257>>150434604>Alex Hirsch is notoriously bad at meeting deadlines and staying under budgetYou're thinking of John K. There's no evidence that Hirsch had any issues with delivering on time or within budget on his own show. There are unsubstantiated claims that Inside Job had some internal struggles and that part of the issue may have been attributed to Hirsch being MIA for awhile and then popping up and suggesting story tweaks which could throw a wrench into production but:1) it's unsubstantiated2) Inside Job wasn't Hirsch's show. If shit got off the rails, that ultimately falls on the showrunner who was Shion Takeuchi. 3) Even IF that was true and you wanted to place the blame squarely on Hirsch's shoulders, there's no evidence that Inside Job went over budget or delivered episodes late. (And let's remember, it's not Hirsch's show anyway). /co/ loves to make stuff up. While we're at it, Hirsch was never accused of shitting in garbage cans. He was alleged to have PISSED in them (which, again, are funny rumors but rumors nevertheless). Just another /co/ embellishment.
>>150434257You think after the Kpop movie blew up they might revive animation plans?
>>150434604> Alex said that making season 1 of Gravity falls was exhaustingHe burned out pretty hard on that. Part of the problem was that he allegedly wanted to be part of every step of the process which, while admirable that he'd want to oversee things to that level, is ultimately unsustainable. That said, I think modern production pipelines tend to burn out new creators in general. Pendleton Ward famously stepped down after a few seasons of Adventure Time due to the stress. Of that generation, Quintel was one of the few who was able to follow up his original show with something else, Terrace is dropping a pilot in a few days that will definitely go to series, and Owen Dennis supposedly oversaw production of the Among Us show which will drop waaaaaay too late to cash in on the fad from 5 years ago. Braly, Sugar, Ian JQ, Nefcy, Parker Simmons, Julia Potts...all of them have taken extended breaks after their shows ended. (Sugar did more with Steven Universe, but I'd consider that part of her original show). Gen X was the last to have worked in the pre-digital age when production times were necessarily slower. Digital production workflows made things faster, but with that came tighter budgets and MUCH tighter turnarounds. People who cut their teeth on the older system were able to ramp up to adjust to the new tempo, but for the new generation hitting the ground at this extreme sprint of a pace, it's too much. Having to learn the ropes of running a show while things need to move that fast at the same time is insane.
>>150434801An insightful effortpost on here. Who would have known.
>>150434801Matt Braly very quickly sold a movie pitch to Sony and had a graphic novel in the works as Amphibia was wrapping up production. He hasn't slowed down one bit. And I'm pretty sure Ian JQ and Daron Nefcy have been pitching other projects following their first shows' ending. I wouldn't be surprised if Parker Simmons has been doing the same. While I've no doubt modern showrunning has become increasingly stress-inducing due to executives seeing tech advancements as an excuse to slash budgets and speed up deadlines, I think "burning out" isn't the only reason some of these veterans haven't come out with new large-scale projects. Another issue is that their pitches get turned down so easily, forcing them to dig back into their previous IP.
>>150434694>it wasn't poo in the can it was pee!If anything that's fucking worse. It'll leak out the can and into the carpet or grout, and the ammonia manletpiss smell will never go away. Fuck Alex.
>>150434953>"burning out" isn't the only reason some of these veterans haven't come out with new large-scale projectsWhen you step away from production for a while you get to reevaluate your life and what you want to do with it
>>150432588I guess he only had one good idea. Or he keeps trying to make things that lack broad appeal.
>>150434953>Matt Braly very quickly sold a movie pitch to Sonyit's "in development" which can mean a lot of things. In that case, Hirsch also had/has a deal in development at Netflix.>graphic novel in the works yes. I'm not alleging that creators have stopped doing anything at all. > I think "burning out" isn't the only reason some of these veterans haven't come out with new large-scale projectsI don't disagree, and the fact that nobody is greenlighting anything these days doesn't help. But anons tend to act like creators are lazy if they take time off after a show ends, but I think they underestimate how much of a fucking shit show the modern production pipeline is. If you're at the top of that in your 20s, it will fuck you up pretty hard.
>>150434257>Skilled writer and voice actor, but He is a shitty writer too. I don’t know when you faggots will stop pretending the writing in Gravity Falls is good. Like, what? You actually liked the ending where Stan magically regains his memory out of nowhere and there’s no real sacrifice involved?
>>150435090>You actually liked the endinglorefags are the worst. I think he wrapped up the ending faster than it probably should have because he wanted to be done with the show. Stan getting his memory back probably should have been like a season long arc. However, I think the monster of the week episodes were always more entertaining than the mystery aspect of the show and his writing shines in those one off episodes.
>>150435050> broad appealGoing for broad appeal is how we end up with backwash bullshit that tastes like nothing. Most of the completely forgettable adult animation (hoops, chicago party aunt, Paradise PD, Brickleberry) was made for broad appeal and that's why it failed. I understand the financial considerations are what makes networks want to find the biggest audience possible, but I miss the days when niche prestige shows could be floated by the bullshit. Profits from daytime talk shows, soap operas, family comedies (and later, reality TV), could help fund more niche shows that were meant to bait awards and elevate the cultural status of a network. The Zaslavs of the world put an end to that.
>>150434953Ian JQ is at Lars of The Stars and having his own project with Disney, Daron Nefcy has been in talks for a Star Vs. revival.The Victor & Valentino and Apple and Onion creators inked with Disney recently
>>150435080>it's "in development" which can mean a lot of things. Goddammit... This probably WAS another case of "announcing a project long before it's entered full production." I used to get mad at Disney Feature for always waiting until just a year short of their next film's release to publicly announce it, but maybe they've got the right idea. You can't disappoint people when you haven't been building their expectations.
>>150435204WE
>>150435005People underestimate the cultural pressure in a Hollywood career. If you’re working you’re supposed to strive constantly to use it to achieve the next rung, a break is easily assumed as the end of your career even coming off grueling positions or a big success, but it’s not uncommon for those to rebrand and do even better after getting a second wind. The industry sucks for animation right now but some of them will surely be back with new work this decade.
>>150435203>Lars of The Stars"in development". That's a fancy way of saying they're kicking around ideas. It sounds exciting and official (which is the point...they want to start creating a buzz), but whenever you see that term, just read it as "we're thinking about it". >Daron Nefcy has been in talksThis means nothing in Hollywood. People often don't like to give a hard "no" to anything because they're digging for gold. Once they say no, they know the creator will start talking to someone else and they might miss out on a great opportunity, so the move is generally to dangle the carrot for a painfully long time so you always have the option to say "yes". >The Victor & Valentino and Apple and Onion creators inked with Disney recentlySauce? Good on them if true. Apple and Onion was a fun show, I don't care what /co/ thinks. And if the Victor & Valentino folks are doing something else, I hope this means Zach Bellissimo will find more work (I think he directed on it). Dude is massively talented and it seems like he's been having as rough a time as most other animators these days.
>>150435204>always waiting until just a year short of their next film's releaseThat's also for PR reasons. People are fickle and have short attention spans (especially these days). If you create a buzz too early but then take several years to produce the thing, you can prematurely shoot your wad and make less of an impact when you're actually getting ready to release the film. People will have already gotten excited, gotten frustrated that it's not out yet, and then moved on. Waiting can make the process seem much faster so people get an initial excitement and then continue building on that up to premiere day. This happens ALL THE TIME on indie productions. A group will make a trailer, hit social media, and have a successful crowdfund campaign. Then, like clockwork, a few months later retards will start saying, "It's been 3 months already and we haven't seen anything. Where is it?"
>>150435382> a break is easily assumed as the end of your careerThis is certainly the case for actors, but it's slightly different for animation partially because even if you're working steadily, there tends to be long gaps between releases since production takes so long.
>>150435573Yes but relative to others in the business the showrunners are in a unique position because they’re used in a similar way to actors, and there were cultural shifts in that regard with post social media era creators. I’m talking about how the networks move on them moreso than animation people’s expectations with each other within the animation world
>>150435613you say that, but Hirsch hasn't been on a show of his own for awhile and he still has network clout. I'm not talking about fanboys on social media, or how he's spoken about within animation circles. I mean if you tell an exec that you've worked on something that Hirsch had a hand in, that still carries a lot of weight. I've personally been told "he doesn't miss".
>>150435660I’m in a completely different part of the business, so I defer to your animation insider takes on Hirsch. In my experience both are true at the same time and it depends on the exec in question. Like >>150435467 says you’re always conscious to maintain goodwill with proven talent, regardless of whether you’re buying what they’re selling at the moment, while others who don’t expect to work with them will be spinning a different narrative.
>>150432588What the fuck is he even doing, he made gravity falls 13 years ago and I havent heard of anything Alex hirsch since
>>150432588He's the GOAT THE GOATTT
>>150436324He’s a retarded goat, the first goat of the heard who gets eaten by the wolf.
>>150432588I mean, this faggot really wanted everything to end the worst way possible, he is never going to get a new show and in the miracle he does, it will probably be pure shit.I'm still baffled with dipkeks ignoring the reality of the character, the last canon thing to come out just a year ago was that he would rather be a cuck helping onlyfans of two friends because it empowers them.
>>150436752If he does ever get a new show, we’ll know for a fact that it’ll visually look as generic and corporate as possible, funny cause he claims to be rebellious and anti corporateWorking at Disney turns people into tards
>>150434953>veteransI don't think you know what that word means
>>150437002Nah 10 years is fair most don’t last that long
>>150436106>13 years agoit ended in 2016, desuYou can look on his IMDb page to see what he's been up to. He's been writing, producing, and voice acting.
>>150434604>>Alex Hirsch is notoriously bad at meeting deadlines and staying under budget, and it seems that hasn't changed since leaving Disney.>Any proof of that?I mean, the schedule of Gravity Falls could probably be an indirect proof of that.
>>150434604>At most IIRC Alsex said that making season 1 of Gravity falls was so exhausting he only continued because one celebrity admitted liking the show and that is part of the reason Season 2 & 3 were combined to just season 2.In fact, Hirsch's initial Season 2 pitch consisted of only 10 episodes. It was only 21 episodes because Disney wanted a 20-something season. That was their requirement.
>>150433123>Not even Disney has done as much damage to the movie industry as Netflix.hello, star wars? marvel?
>>150435302WUZ
>>150435467>Sauce?Diego Molano's Linkedin, he's developing movies with 20th Century Studios animation unithttps://www.linkedin.com/in/diego-molano-3996a62a/
>>150432588his over budget 2d/cgi/stop-motion all in one cartoon is the reason netflix had to cancel shows and why we don't have toil & trouble. It's all his fault
>>150437483>Wah Wah they suck beacuse they have woman as leadsgrow up
>>150437546Go back to l]ddit trannt
>>150437538This always made me curious, Netflix has wasted more look how many millons they spend in the Electric State movie specially with it's marketing.But Alex Hirsch's show who planned to mix CGI, stop-motion and live-action was to much for them.
>>150437538Wrong
>>150437522once again, "in development" should be interpreted as "kicking around ideas". The only thing this means is that he's got someone at 20th Century who is interested in potentially working with him, but it's not quite "inking a deal". I hope it works out!
I don't get the obsession over Hirsch on this board. His output isn't really significant enough to receive this level of scrutiny and attention in my opinion.
>>150437538> is the reason netflix had to cancel showsSource?
>>150437483Disney ruined a few franchises. Netflix has ruined entire mediums. When the first summer blockbuster releases in portrait format we won't be able to blame Disney for it.
>>150437546No one said anything about women, but it seems like you have a theory as to why the new Disney content isn't making profits like it used to so please fill me in
>>150437679because magatards are still mad that at the height of his popularity, he dared to say mean things about their orange god on twitter. That's it. Everything else is a thinly veiled excuse to shit on him because they're mad that he said stuff on social media that they didn't agree with.
>>150437725wait, is Netflix planning to start doing films in portrait format? I hope this was a joke.
>>150437679Arrested development, Gravity Falls ended at the same time /pol/ infested the board and he was active online
I'm sad nothing came of this. I thought the ARG meant it was leading to something.
>>150437002They're veterans in that they've worked as showrunners, even if it was in the last 10 years. Any future project of theirs could cite their existing credentials. Dana Terrace is a veteran showrunner, as is Juston Gordon-Montgomery.
>>150437738>>150437783Ah, so he is a privileged person that also happens to be a dick. Still, I think /co/ should just move on.
>>150438140> being critical of a sitting president means you're privilegedwut
>>150438302He’s a millionaire
>>150438140The hate and irony you see on this thread is cope. People desperately want Lighthouse Bluff to come out so they can fap to Nu-Wendy, but liking stuff is super lame.
>>150437679Here's a hint: Nobody makes fun of Sam Register or Maxwell Atoms because they sit on Instagram all day instead of Twitter.
>>150438412What makes Instagram so different from Twitter?
>>150435204>>150435531This is why. People are impatient as fuck and have no sense of how long things take to make and compare it to their own life and 3-4 years is always just way too much for them. It's better to announce it a year or 2 ahead of time so it's in a general acceptable amount of time to wait, at least for normies. I can wait however long so I don't care. Disney and Pixar really do push it though, like who cares about a sequel coming out six years after the original. If you're gonna do sequels you kind of have to haul ass.
>>150438680I've actually seen people in comments talk about how it's no excuse that it takes so long when Hazbin Hotel episodes can be made every week. It's like, "No, retard. That's how you watch them but remember all those years between the pilot release on Youtube and when the episodes started airing on Amazon...?"
>>150438491engagement on Instagram is slightly different partially because people can't repost something you post for their audience with their comment attached. Closest they can get is putting it in a story but then comments people make aren't public. There are still trolls on Instagram, but it doesn't tend to turn into all out flame wars like it can on Twitter.
>>150438412Except Hirsch barely posts anything on any social media, beyond stuff like "I hate Trump" or "This new game looks cool."
>>150438812* Which is only once a month or so
what shows did he made besides gravity falls?
>>150438012This is probably cope, but all the hype behind thisisnotawebsite.com only for the ARG to just lead to some concept art and a dumb Mpreg joke feels off
>>150438842lol none whatsoever
>>150438789Makes sense.
>>150432588Crazy how Hirsch ruined his reputation by being an annoying fag, the only other cartoon creator that people like to pick on is Rebecca Sugar
>>150440709Find any thread on the knights of Guinevere and you find plenty of schizos with a hate boner for Dana Terrace.
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>>150437762It's the logical conclusion for how Netflix makes content so I could see it being real. They instructed their screenwriters to start having characters describe their actions so that the people looking at their phones can follow the story.
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>>150442062> They instructed their screenwriters to start having characters describe their actionsI had heard that. What a fucking travesty of cinema. > ADHD tards can't follow our stories so let's make things dumber so the people who are too stupid to actually watch the thing they decided to watch can be handheld through the film
>>150437546I know this is bait, but I'm too retarded not to fall for it. Rey didn't make the sequels bad, the lack of planning out the movies is what ruined them. Rehashing A New Hope, Rey being a mary sue, Luke, Leia, and Han being treated like after thoughts, Finn and Poe being worthless for 2 movies (arguably all 3), Snoke being written out halfway into Last Jedi, Palpatine being the true mastermind behind it all, and on and on are all the thousand cuts the sequels died by, but not the fatal blow that made them essentially dead on arrival.
>>150442062>>150442311Source?
>>150442540Spend like 2 seconds doing a search. There a lot of articles that have commented on the policy. https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2024/12/27/netflix-tells-writers-to-have-characters-announce-what-theyre-doing-just-in-case-viewer-is-busy-doing-something-elsehttps://www.pcmag.com/news/netflix-is-telling-writers-to-dumb-down-shows-since-viewers-are-on-theirhttps://itc.ua/en/news/netflix-requires-that-writers-voice-over-the-actions-of-characters-for-viewers-watching-content-in-the-background/https://www.dexerto.com/tv-movies/netflix-backlash-casual-viewing-3016909/
>>150442518>Snoke being written out halfway into Last JediThis is actually what killed it for me. Everything else you mentioned was really fucking annoying, but killing off the main baddie almost immediately before we knew anything about the character at all was incredibly retarded. I didn't even bother watching the 3rd film. There was no story continuity to give a shit about. I still haven't seen it. I can ignore a lot of bad things in films, but I need some stakes to care about. And nobody talks about the scene where Yoda burns "the sacred texts", but I felt like that was Rian Johnson's overt way of telling the audience "Yeah, I fucking hated everything J.J. Abrams did and didn't want to follow that storyline, so I spent this entire movie undoing it. J.J. Abrams did his idiotic mystery box approach to writing, but when they throw out ALL of the mysteries right off the bat in the second film and essentially say they never mattered, it felt like incompetence. I have no fucking clue why Disney would spend 4 billion dollars (now worth over 10 billion because half the payment was in stock options) to acquire a franchise just to rush films out with no plan whatsoever. I'd heard that they were reluctant to give any one person too much power over the trilogy, but even sketching out a fucking outline for the films would have been a good idea.
>>150440903You are talking about one of the most basic bitches out there who constantly complained about everything on every single one of her interviews (like seriously, there is not one interview where she doesn't have something to talk about to victimize herself/her work), lying and contradicting herself on each interaction, anons here only pointed out at it and then we had to deal with one schizo, the tribefag.
>>150442987Dystopian
