Is there a lamer superhero than Captain America?
How about one who got bit by a fucking spider?
>>150432830Our patriotic hero, ladies and gentlemen!
>a man who is superwooow
He is one of those characters that works way better in adaptations. 616 Cap is such a faggot, and that's not a 2000+ thing either.
>>150432858>posts a nunWouldn't they be more likely to nod in approval of such a notion?
>>150432830Captain America is rad as hell and I'm not even from that shithole. Genuinely a great character with some superb runs and an excellent rogues gallery alongside being an enduring character despite literally being a relic of another time, you want an actual lame superhero try any of the attempts at legacy parasites for the past 14 years.
You cannot list a single character that hasn't had at least one profoundly lame moment.
>>150432910> you want an actual lame superhero try any of the attempts at legacy parasites for the past 14 years.You might have a point. Maybe I should have said Captain America is the lamest Golden Age superhero
>>150432938> You cannot list a single character that hasn't had at least one profoundly lame moment.True, but you can still say one superhero has more lame moments than the other
>>150432941Is there not a Captain America knockoff character? I get that most Marvel writers hate America, but slapping some nigger into the red, white, and blue, and calling her, like, Lady Liberty, seems like a no-brainer to me.
>>150432962>Is there not a Captain America knockoff character? I get that most Marvel writers hate America, but slapping some nigger into the red, white, and blue, and calling her, like, Lady Liberty, seems like a no-brainer to me.lol, they did that already
>>150432969Oh lol, that's America Chavez, right? God that's fucking lame, but she's not really a patriotic hero, right?
>>150432977>she's not really a patriotic hero, rightHer patriotism is reduced to wearing stars and stripes and hating Axis powers. (Just like Cpt America to be honest)
>>150432962>Is there not a Captain America knockoff character?Anon, what if I told you that there's not only a Captain America knockoff character, but also that the knockoff character was created by the same creators who created Captain America in the first place?
>>150432997I knew about Fighting American. I meant a more modern knock-off, like one of the ten thousand Spider-Girl/Guy off-shoots.
>>150432941Captain America is great though, if he was lame he wouldn't be getting a solo runs or stayed around long after WW2. You want actual lame Golden age guys think of V-man or Sparkman.
>>150433003There is also Isaiah Bradley and Sam Wilson when it comes to bipoc captain america wannabes
>>150433022Also Nuke, who is my favorite Captain America/Punisher rip-off.
>>150433019I think the fact that he managed to stick around makes him more annoying. Sparkman and V-man are more ignorable thanks to being obscure and forgotten
>>150433032What do you actually dislike about him since I'm on the perspective of someone who quite likes the character.
>>150432830Ultimate Captain America was kind of based, and the writers at Marvel hated writing him because no matter how hard they tried to make the reader hate Cap, they just made him more based by accident.
>>150432830>lamer superhero
>>150433108>Ultimate Captain America>hates Frenchmeh. kinda surface-level basedness
>>150432830>>150432840Cap has made sense at various points in American history.He made sense in the 1960s.He made sense in the 1980s.He made sense in the 1990s.He made sense in the 2000s, and the 2010s.I'm not sure if he makes sense now, since I am increasingly in doubt about what America is, and what it means, and if it can survive.He may never make sense again.But he had his moments.
>>150432830I think what I find most amusing about Captain America is that his most popular era is the MCU where normies pretended to give a damn about Cap. Now that the glory of the MCU is long dead normies have yet again returned to not giving a damn about Captain America.And given how the United States has become culture wise the last thing citizens want to see is a walking commercial for the American Government because people don't trust the government and they haven't after disasters like the wars with Vietnam and Iraq. This also why GI Joe is a dead brand. Men don't feel like supporting this Evil Jewish Government that took over the United States. So Captain America is a dead brand.Superman also used to symbolize the American Government but Superman can always lean into the alien science fantasy elements to escape that old image and reputation. Why do you think Superman's motto dropped "And the American way!" because even DC understands no one likes the government anymore. Again Captain America is eternally a ruined brand.
>>150433237Captain America has actively defied the government countless times in comics, he literally opposes the Vietnam war in Spider-Man Life Story so how the hell does he represent it?
>Nobody's made fun of Aquaman yet
Ultimate is the best version of the character.
>>150433236>He made sense in the 2000s and the 2010s...?
>>150433721>51% of americans aged 0-17 are not white according to the census.Well that's depressing.
>>150432840the fag who wrote this should be strung up for treason and stabbed in the balls for ruining Cap
>>150432840He's right. If you disagree with that you're a failure as an American.
>>150433188Poor France. One of the greatest military powers in human history and now they're known as the guys who surrendered in WW2.
>>150432830As much as it pains me to say it, Ghost Rider mainly because of how much the Penance Stare has been nerfed through the years.
>>150433918kill yourself
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>>150433960Classism? That's going to be a 'yikes' from me.
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>>150432941There are a bunch of Timely Comics characters that didn't even make the transition to the 60s because they are so lame
>>150432830you
>>150433236Writers and fans have been asking themselves if Cap "makes sense" in the 60's and the 70's and the 80's and the 90's. You are not some remarkable deep thinker because you’ve finally reached the emotional maturity of a 17 year old. Americans were having a crisis of faith in the government during the JFK assassination, Vietnam War, Nixon resignation, 60's race riots, 80's race riots, 90's race riots, etc. etc. etc.Cap is not a tool of the goverment and hasn't been since the 40's. He operates under his own set of beliefs and that transcends whatever the current controversy of the day is. He has resigned his mantle, returned his shield, operated under different code names, etc. He represents the ideals of the country and is therefore timeless.
>>150432830At least he stands by his "American ideals", if the government strays from those ideals he will always be the first in line to rebel>>150433935Yep, Ghost Rider is in a sorry state, he used to be part of Marvel's Big Four, now he's lost his spot to Iron Man and is one of the worst jobbers in the entire Marvel Universe, rivaled only by this guy:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K956y2om92I>so called "Omega level telepath">loses all fights, even telepathy ones
>>150433918Nothing Cap said on this page is wrong.
>>150434000Shut up and flip the triple burger
>>150433864Christ is king.
>>150432993Didn't know she also had the power to grow her hands like kamala.
Cyclops has explored multiple paths of lameness>The boy scout nobody likes>gettting cucked by a more popular character>the soldier just content to follow orders>shoot endless lasers but they can't be lethal so it is "concussive force"
>>150432910I'll die on the hill that kamala was always lame and just carried by cuteness. She gets away with the same shit Miles, Riri, and Sam get blasted for. It's only after she started stepping on the X-men's toes that people started judging her more critically.
>>150432830Falcon CapSpider-MilesSpider-GwenSilkHoney BadgerGay SupermanGay RobinBaz GL
>>150434586Kid Kaiju is the only new young hero not from Avengers Academy that's any good since has his own unique identity, has an actual hobby that works with his personality and powerset plus a genuinely solid design with the Orggo hoodie so of course he's barely used at all by anyone in Marvel.
>>150433721Posts like these make me laugh, what fucking language is that tweet even in? Why does this board specifically have so many ESLs?
>>150432830No
>>150434825>post immediately gets removedjej the modern internet is just completely inauthentic ragebait
>>150433019What about The Whizzer? The speedster who got his powers by injecting himself with the blood of a regular ass mongoose. I know nothing else about him but he seems pretty lame.
>>150432830I know this is a shitposting thread but I sincerely can't think of a lamer "superhero" than Jessica Jones.>literally the most boring design imaginable>boring powers>her gimmick is being a detective, but she sucks at it>boring stories>her archenemy is Daredevil's sloppy seconds who was never much of a threat to begin withBut look, she swears and has miserywank monologues that you're only gonna be impressed by if you never picked up a single noir novel in your life.So edgy and hip.Shitty worthless character.
>>150433237>The neonazi hates Captain AmericaColor me surprised.
>>150432830Still my favorite Cap comic.
>>150432840>it's nothing without its PEOPLE >the white men who built this great nation and gave their lives for it would be rolling in their graves to see what it has become
>>150432969I have those glasses and Mexican girls love them
>>150433237You have it backwards: Captain America symbolizes the belief not in the American government but that "America" can "work." He says it in the two pictures OP is trying to troll with:>>150432830>>150432840America is a peculiar country. Not because of its myths of self aggrandizement, everyone has that. But because of what those myths are. Despite several attempts to get into blood and land and what not, the enduring myths Americans have used to justify themselves have been not bloodlines and godhood, but ideals and dreams. Freedom of speech, representative government, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. America's holy treasure is a piece of paper signed by men, not a sword given by god. These are used in all the ways countries typically use things to justify their existence and their many crimes against humanity, but that the myths ARE these things meant there was always at least the tacit acceptance that they were what people needed to support.The problem now is two fold. There are people who will loudly boast about believing and defending these things, but quite obviously do not. Yesterday was a stark example of that, and frankly it's been obvious for the last twenty years. Then there are people who are just done with it. Why should I believe these things, they say, look at where it's gotten us. They loudly demand reductions in freedom of speech and violent reprisals against injustice, totally unaware of exactly who that's gonna fall on first, in the vain belief that somehow this will solve the moral problems they see around them. If only we could just shut up and kill all the bad people, that'd solve everything.People just don't believe any more. Certainly not the people saying they do as they burn it to the ground and definitely not the people who should be pushing it and foolishly think they'll survive without it.
>>150432830Probably captain germany
>>150433324Why would they? Aquaman has no lame moments.
>>150432840>actions, values and integrity matter more than symbology>anons dont like this
>>150433795Civil War at the very least. Doesn't matter what side people chose or why nor how shitty the overall event was written, Cap being wary about Hill's over reach and how prepared SHIELD already seemed against protest was a sensible sentiment.
>>150433188The best part is that this scene wasn't even written by an American.
>>150434569This.
>>150432830Carol danvers
>>150433237>Now that the glory of the MCU is long dead normies have yet again returned to not giving a damn about Captain America.People were interested at his height but the comics were more interested in doing Hydra Cap and then Captain Falcon, of course they stopped caring.I've got nothing against Sam showing up as supporting cast to Steve but the reverse doesn't work, imagine watching the Matrix, wanting to buy a comic continuation to see more of Neo and I'm trying to push you the VR adventures of fucking Mouse with Neo cameoing every so often. Whatever you can fault normalfags for with their fickleness in this case Marvel torpedoed their own sub.
>>150436555The SHRA wasn't even in effect at the point Hill tried to capture Cap was it? Hill made it far worse than they could have been, but she usually doesn't get enough attention or blame for things escalating as badly as it did.
>>150436661Anon, nobody gives a shit enough about comics for it to be some continuation platform off the movies. We see this with comic chars who get changed to their MCU personalities. Die hard fans get pissed and normies continue soaking up other media that also reflects the movie MCU persona.
>>150433022This is the preeminent unnecessary "there was actually a diverse FIRST version of the character before your fav character" trope. Like what the fuck does this story add, other than Steve needing to feel bad because the actual first Cap was some test subject dude, which is makes us the bid sad.
>>150432830Superman is Jewish power fantasy. I think he’s pretty lame
>>150432830Superman and his gay Super Family./thread
>>150438993It's one of those things that makes you think that maybe the "the civil rights movement is just anti-white racism" people might kind of have a point. It seems like the only reason Isaiah Bradley exists is to undermine a white male character.
>>150432830For Superman and Captain America fans since you can’t accept the fact they’re outdated:[Spoiler] https://www.boyfriendtv.com/ [/spoiler]
>>150439543Why do you have that link on hand? Says more about you really
>>150432830Ant-ManHis movies suck and he isn’t interesting.
>>150432830Miles Morales
>>150432830Spider-Boy and Spider-Girl (the new one). Both are useless characters made by Dan “the Hutt” Slott.
>>150432840>freedom for all men>unless they disagree with jews>or think trannies are weird and gross>or don't want to live near blacks>or wants to learn why Hitler did what he did instead of dismissing him outright
>>150436379I guess the reason I don't really care about Cap, and for that matter I really am not phased by what's going on in the country right now, is that I just do not give a fuck about America's ideas. "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness," civil rights, individual liberty, the Constitution, the Declaration, it's all a bunch of bullshit and always has been. It's been bullshit from the beginning: Thomas Jefferson basically violated the Constitution by accepting the Louisiana Purchase because he didn't have the power to buy land enumerated for the President in it, but he did it anyway. From the start, even the Founding Fathers themselves played fast and loose with America's founding documents and its founding ideas.More than that, I basically reject the entire Enlightenment and think most of those guys were morons. In addition to the Founding Fathers, I roll my eyes at Bacon, Voltaire, Rousseau, that whole stupid crowd. They were wrong. History has proved them wrong about a ton of things, especially the idea that man is fundamentally a rational animal and that people are basically good. It's all bullshit. People are shitty and irrational, and always have been. The Catholics have been right from the beginning, actually: man is wicked and depraved and needs a Savior.So what if it all falls apart? So what if Trump wipes his ass with it all? It never mattered to begin with. There are older and deeper Truths than any of America's Truths, and they're the things I care more about these days, not some dumb ideas from barely a quarter of a millennium ago.And so I guess I don't like Cap as much any more, for that reason.
>>150432830>>150432840The older I get the more I realize that America is a giant golden facade over a pile of horseshit.Our values and dreams were always just lies. We have a giant statue dedicated to values we have never upheld.Even our buildings are styrofoam bricks glued to cardboard.It's all a sham. A fake exterior to hide the rotten foundation.
I love American culture. I'm not American, but there's a lot to love about the US. But there's a lot of crap that's disgusting. Healthcare is by far the thing that made me lean toward leftist politics. Crap like paid insulin is inhumane, and anyone who agrees with it should admit that they're a bad person.
>>150439799America has the best values in the world and has upheld them to a greater extent than any other nation. Also>we>ourhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xbLO5bB0Tk
>>150440654The best part about America is that it's self-improving by design. Even if it never perfectly lives up to its ideals, it's always pushing towards them.
>>150433324Bring back this Aqualad
>>150439529Like William Burnside, the actual 2nd Captain America, during the Cold War era still exists and works for the character. If you want Bradley to be like the Korean War Cap then sure fine, but trying make him predate Rogers is cuck-fag shit
>>150439603That's cause they used Scott and not Hank
>>150440677>give billions to Israel every year so we can enjoy medical debt
>>150432840That’s an American. Anyone who believes otherwise is brown or a traitor.
>>150439529If you think that your just a moronic shill in the first place.
>>150432840America is not an idea, as evidenced by none of the shitskins believing in anything American other than treating it as an economic zone to exploit for the benefit of the country that they actually belong to
>>150432830>except the DreamDusty Rhodes?
>>150441262A Mexican making $7/hr on a farm isn’t the reason you’re poor
>>150437616Yep. Maria Hill can always be relied upon to do the dumbest fucking thing. She basically stole both Gyrich's and Val Cooper's spots.
Oracle
>>150432830Wonder Woman.Like Cap, she's a conceptual superhero, meant to Stand For Something Larger, except it's a bunch of wishy-washy ideals like peace and feminism that her books rarely grapple with in a meaningful way. The meaning of those ideals radically drifts decade by decade. But Cap being Mister USA means he has to grapple with a concrete nation's history, ideals, and self-delusions, even if it's often in a lame or half-hearted way.Cap is a soldier and a superhero, and he's cleanly anchored in both WW2 history and genre conventions. Diana is a warrior except when she isn't, and she's sometimes compassionate and sometimes she has a Bronze Age Feminist mindset.Cap has exactly one good villain, while Wonder Woman has no good villains.Cap>Diana.
>>150441554Yeah, 100,000,000 of them are.
>>150432830Like 99% of the X-Men
>>150432830616 spider-man comes to my mind, we reached to a point 616 Peter parker is almost unreadable as a character.He gets lamer as time passes.His bazillion alternate variants and legacy characters don't help him either, specially his lamest replacement, miles morales.
>>150441934What was the excuse for poor whites back when the Hispanic population wasn't nearly as high?
>>150440677Many empires self-improve before falling as it's engulfed in depravity and corrupt leadership, nothing indicates America isn't already on the same path
>>150438993I loved this story. Comic books rarely deal with real-world politics, and this one addresses them. The fact that people are upset already proves Baker's point in the story. Also, great artwork.
>>150441554>Remittances from abroad account for roughly 4.5 percent of Mexico’s total GDP and form the largest single source of foreign income for Mexico, outstripping the income brought in by any other individual source, including foreign direct investment (FDI) from the United States, tourism, and net manufacturing exportsLets not forget the supressing of wages and the crowded streets and homes not available etc.
>>150442068>Comic books rarely deal with real-world politicsPlenty do, but they usually flub it in some way that makes it lose impact or everything else is so shit that the historical context is missed when everyone dogpiles it. It's just rare when a Captain America story doesn't have some degree of politics since he's an inherently political character.
>>150442049>whats the excuse for poverty anon? You'd have to be a fool to even think that question has ever been remotely solvable outside a high trust homogenous society lile Norway (I.E. White) its laughable to think your so earnest about your ignorance
>>150441934Just admit that you're a bad person. There's nothing wrong with that.
>>150441842Cap has like 6 or 7 good villains
>>150432830Superman, at least Cap stays relatively grounded most of the time and has died against opponents that are obviously out of his league
>>150432830Batman, he's a retarded manchild who has literally stopped civilians from trying to kill mass-murdering villains
>>150442132The diversity experiment has failed, the sooner you come to grips the better. American People have already become various cultural enclaves from each other due to everyone being from everywhere. It will never get to the point where everyone will work for each others common good.
>>150442124So, it's because they suck, are stupid, and can't keep up with their white peers that do manage to succeed, gotcha.
>>150442222Why are black people so poor then
>>150442124Norway's not high trust, everyone there is just too depressed to do anything outside of staying in their lanes.
>>150432910>excellent rogues gallery>Baron Zemo>Red Skull>Crossbones.....? Who else does Cap have? I feel like Zemo and Skull are the only really good ones
>>150442460The Serpent Society, Viper/Madame Hydra, Arnim Zola, Madcap, Batroc, Flag-smasher and Scourge of the Underworld.
>>150432830MCU cap pre-Infinity War was the best incarnation of the character. He still had issues but overall he's the best we've had up to this point.
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>>150442563Right down to the buccaneer boots and gloves. Same origin story of being a military experiment same power set of "better human", except he's evil, only cares about money, uses guns and other deadly weapons rather than a shield, and instead of being loved by damn near everybody and recognized as the greatest leader in the super community, he's one of the biggest pariahs on the planet and next to nobody wants anything to do with him outside of wanting someone else dead.
>>150432840He is right. I used to respect America despite its flaws. But now it's just trash, fuck America. Also, hello mods. Are you gonna ban me for three days again for commenting on a stealth pol thread, but keep the thread up? And keeping all the right-leaning posts up as well?
>>150442068No you retard, I'm saying that making this dumbass story canon is dumb a fuck for Steve Rogers and his importance. I don't care how much you like wanking off to historical oppression porn, it actively shits on Kirby and Simon's creation.It's like making a story about some homeless drug addict getting bit by radioactive drugged-up spider spider and becoming the first Spider-Man as an allegory to MKUltra or some real-world shit. Like why make that fagshit canon.
>>150432830>>150432840lmao>nation of states tho>>150432858>>150432954>>150433153No powers, very lame for a superhero
Captain America being critical off america is more believable than your maga headcanon. get out of my hobby.
>>150432830batman. He feels like the writer's power fantasy, especially with Bruce Timm
>>150442049Relatively speaking, you didn't have poor Whites. White America was the richest, most prosperous place on Earth. A poor man then would be a recently settled farmer with hundreds of acres of land or an immigrant worker (a dying breed post-war).Aside from that, you had steady growth and prosperity from technology and capital accumulation, which is retarded by the introduction of cheaper, less productive labour.
>>150443026Nigga, there are dumber and worse canonized stories. Why people won't admit why it's their personal problem is because it deals with racial issues. This is one of the few memorable Captain America stories, and now I have to think it's bad because of dumbass canon. Fuck that.
