Was the Lion King a copy/imitation of Kimba the White Lion, or was it just a natural process or inspiration?
>>150434009It was a shameless ripoff that improved upon it and actually made it watchable.
>>150434017Stop talking shit you faggot
>>150434009I thought it was a copy/imitation of Hamlet.
>>150434009It was probably a minor inspiration but thematically the two works are so completely and fundamentally different that calling it a copy, imitation, or ripoff is going way too far. They have fundamentally different attitudes, story beats, characters, fucking everything that actually matters outside of surface aesthetics.
>>150434040It’s inspired by it
That youtuber that has sex with dogs said there was no plagiarism so thats that, case closed.
>>150434026You know he's right
>>150434009>>150434060There was a video that explainied extensively how the development of The Lion King was inspired by Kimba and gradually evolved to become something different
>>150434043>>150434112It's these. It initially started out much more like Kimba and gradually moved away from it. The final product barely resembles Kimba at all and anyone calling it a ripoff is retarded. They pretty much actively worked to make it NOT a ripoff.
>>150434134Pretty much, except the shots they ripped off, which is common for American anime
The only real problem was they acted like they had never heard of Kimba at all
>>150434098I know that he’s faggot like you
They're nothing alike if you actually watched Kimba.
>>150434171Stfu weebtroon
>>150434186They had to if they dont want to get sued
>>150434171>Pretty much, except the shots they ripped off, which is common for American anime
>>150434200That doesn't make sense
>>150434192Cope faggot
>>150434171You mean the shots from the 1990s Kimba anime that came out after the Lion King and were neither present in the original manga nor the 60s anime?
>>150434198>>150434208>>150434262You seem mad
>>150434289>Post something factually wrong>Get corrected>Everyone is now one personReal schizo hours
You know what? There were some Jap Tezuka fans getting mad about it so Tezuka production had to make a statement like ''If Tezuka is still alive and sees this, he would feel honored by a Disney movie inpired by his work'', which actually means ''yeah, it's definitely a lie that they didn't even know about Kimba but it's not a big deal so calm down''.They never tried to sue Disney and Disney just got away with it and never apologiazed about it. Fucking scumbags.
>>150434009I think the gay dogfucker pretty much put to rest the argument that it was a ripoff with his autism
>>150434060>>150434424For what it's worth it does take an exceptionally large amount of autism to actually sit down and research and watch and read the entire Kimba franchise and compare it to every single argument made about Lion King being a ripoff while also finding other pieces of media set in Africa just to really drive the point home. Him being a dogfucker just seems par for the course. I have to commend him for actually putting his autism to some kind of greater good though.
>>150434394>They never tried to sue DisneyThe case likely would have been thrown out entirely, in the same way that the judge threw out the Romero estate's attempt to sue Capcom for Dead Rising.
>>150434457Yeah, he actually did a service with his Kimba/Lion King Breakdown to utterly disprove something that's been bothering him for a bit. He still fuck dogs tho.
No they're just both based on Bambi.This isn't to say I agree with most of the claims of the Lion King jerks offs have. The notion that no one on staff even had a passing awareness of Kimba is insane and disingenuous. One of the main guys responsible for that era was a weeb who lived in Japan for multiple years, The Great Mouse Detective directly lifted it's ending from Cagliostro (I know that scene itself is based on other films, the Great Mouse Detective writers sited Cagliostro specifically) and Ariel is directly based on "Ghibli girls" (Clarisse and Nausicaä). No one on staff having at least a passive knowledge of Kimba existing is insane.
>>150434606>No one on staff having at least a passive knowledge of Kimba existing is insane.It's rendered even more insane when you remember that the original anime was broadcast in America and was a smash hit in the 60s, and continued to have reruns on ABC up until 1980. I say that as someone that also disagrees that Lion King was a ripoff, trying to act like Kimba is some obscure thing no animator would have been familiar with is retarded.
>>150434313Hmmm....
>>150434009I think Kimba and Simba's asses would feel the same if you were to fuck them.
>>150434232Stop projecting
I've actually watched Kimba and between freeing the circus animals and fighting the mad scientist in the hovership I'm wondering what exactly was plagiarized.
>>150434009>Lion King a copy/imitation of Kimba the White LionObviously
>>150435170Stfu fag
>>150435170>>Lion King a copy/imitation of Kimba the White Lion>Obviously
>>150435368
>>150435154>>150435170
>>150435400They named the main character after him
>Lion King is obviously "Hamlet but on the Savannah">noooo it must be a kimba ripoff, just look at the names>names are just Swahili
>>150435406>>150435413
>>150435440"Simba" means "Lion" in Swahili. They didn't name anything after Kimba. It already existed in the language.It's like saying a dude named "Guy", word meaning "person", was actually named after some random other dude named "Buy". I mean... just look how similar the names are. One letter off.
>>150435461II know, that’s what I’m telling him
>>150435461You also can't copyright actual words, such as Simba, but can copyright made up ones, such as Kimba. That's why they changed his name from Leo to Kimba.Also this video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btNL1q-yU7E
>>150435543I mean this video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5B1mIfQuo4
>>150435154tezuka owns the rights to lions and africa
>>150434009Some years ago I watched most if not all of the Kimba cartoon from the 60s. Ninety percent of it was an episodic saturday morning cartoon without a whole lot of similarity to The Lion King besides them both starring lion characters.But the ghost dad scene in this one episode really stood out to me as feeling very similar to the ghost dad scene from The Lion King. https://youtu.be/_zA-BzfdsK8?si=OHdIk1lpIM2obX44If you sit and watch the cartoon in chronological order and then get bored and give up after five episodes, or if you just watch random episodes, it’s not gonna seem all that much like the Lion King. But there are a couple of small gems scattered throughout the series that I am sure influenced some of the Lion King animators.
>>150434040 it’s a redo of Bambi
>>150435975nice ass
>>150435975The problem is that the ghost isn't just in Kimba the White Lion, it's also in... Hamlet. Which is what the Lion King is actually based on. The entire plot revolves around a prince being confronted with his father's ghost, and returning to a kingdom ruled by a usurper for revenge.
>>150435975holy god this animation is pure anus
>>150436021How convenient
I wouldn't claim that there wasn't some clear inspiration, but the dogfucker video so comprehensively blew the idea that it's nothing but a ripoff to pieces that I feel like the only people claiming it is at this point are trolling or willingly burying their head in the sand. That man may fuck dogs but damn if he can't make a strong argument.
>>150436029Have you ever met a boomer that thinks cartoons are cheap garbage that only toddlers could stand to watch? Them growing up on shit like this is the reason why.
>>150436034>convenientYes, it was more convenient for Disney to plagiarize one of the most well known authors in the English language rather than a 100 episode Japanese show that ran through every basic plot trope but otherwise bears no resemblance to the Lion King.
>>150436021I’m not talking about just plot. I think it feels very similar in aesthetic. The scenes are constructed similarly and look very similar. The mist, the backgrounds, the colors, some of the lines, some of the actions, the characters’ attitudes, all give me very familiar vibes. I’ve seen multiple productions of Hamlet with ghost dad scenes that are only similar to either lion cartoon in basic plot.
>>150435170When does simba carry around his dead dad's pelt and ask it directly for advice?
>>150436083Who said anything about the plot?
>>150434040>>150436021>the Lion King is actually based on HamletI’m getting sick of seeing this. The Lion King very loosely lifts Claudius’s usurpation of Kimg Hamlet and that it is IT. It doesn’t have Ophelia’s suicide. It doesn’t have Polonius’s murder. It doesn’t have Yorrick or the ‘To be or not to be’ soliloquy. It doesn’t have the grave diggers. It doesn’t have the play scene. It doesn’t have pirates. It doesn’t have Gertrude’s infidelity. It doesn’t have the faked insanity ruse. You have to put your head between your ankles and squint before Timon and Pumba look like Rosencrantz and Guildenstern. Hamlet does not spend a decade after his father’s death blaming himself before last minute finally realizing the truth like Simba does. The Lion King is very much mostly NOT Hamlet, does not habe most of what makes Hamlet Hamlet, and I’m pretty damn sure most people who claim it is based on Hamlet have never actually watched the play.
I think Disney’s The Little Mermaid rips off Toei’s 70’s Little Mermaid a heck of a lot more than Lion King rips off Simba, and I never see people bring it up. Obviously both Mermaid movies are based on the Hans Christian Andersen story, but there’s a lot of more original stuff that Toei put in that wasn’t in Andersen’s story that then also is in the Disney movie, like giving the mc a cute sidekick character.
I think in a hypothetical world where the Disney company made the Kimba series and literally any other studio made the Lion King movie, that Disney would’ve sued that studio into oblivion. Which is a thought that makes me feel more reluctant to defend or sympathize with Disney. Especially when they try to pretend that everyone working on The Lion King had never even heard of Kimba despite >>150434626. I don’t think there’s a strong case to be made that Lion King is a copy of Kimba, but I do think Disney are hypocritical dishonest assholes and that that is not an insignificant part of the situation here.
the director of lion king who claims he didn't know about kimba was even living in tokyo for 2 years in 1980s
>>150434171Do you have any proof that it started out like Kimba and gradually moved away from it?
>>150437142Kimba was far from Tezuka's most well known work so that is not a stretch at all.
>>150436021>prince being confronted with his father's ghost, and returning to a kingdom ruled by a usurper for revengeThat’s not in the Kimba episode at all. Did you even watch the scene?
>>150437142Was Kimba even popular on Japan? Not saying it’d be weird if it was, but I wouldn’t know. I do know that it was pretty successful in America. I’ve known like three old people who have mentioned watching it as kids.
>>150437230>>150437285Kimba was unironically more popular in America than Japan as a work of Tezuka's. The problem is that because of that, almost every animator working on The Lion King at the time would have seen it as a kid.
>>150437230oh come on, he's an animator and tezuka was by far the most famous comic/animation artist in Japan at that time.it's not just that, there's an early concept art of lion king where the lion is being white.kimba's actual title is ''jungle emperor''. the lion king was ''king of the jungle'' before they changed the title. lions don't live in jungles btw.
>>150437285pretty much every single jap who are older than 40 knows the title at leastis that enough for you to say it's ''popular''?
>>150437430Yeah, lions are known as kings of the jungle
in america?
>>150437508meant for>>150437492
>>150437310Wasn't this disproved and it was just some random channels in specific areas? It certainly was nowhere near the popularity of something like Astro Boy which even then was still pretty niche in the states.>>150437430>oh come on, he's an animator and tezuka was by far the most famous comic/animation artist in Japan at that time.Does that mean he should know every bit of his work, even the more obscure ones?>it's not just that, there's an early concept art of lion king where the lion is being white.And? There is only a single piece of low resolution art and it could easily be the lighting considering the lion cub is directly in a ray of sunlight next to a darker furred lion cub.>kimba's actual title is ''jungle emperor''. the lion king was ''king of the jungle'' before they changed the title. lions don't live in jungles btw.Lions have been referred to emperors/kings of the jungle long before Kimba, Kimba did not popularize the term.
the worst thing about this is nothing has really changed you can see there's lots of /co/ stuff that are obviously ''inspired'' by Japanese works now and you can tell they will never fully admit their inspirations, they will downplay it as much as possible or worse, they will attack Japan instead so they can feel less guilty about itabsolute state of american culture
>>150437479I guess? I just wasn’t sure if it was a Cowboy Bebop situation, where it was a top anime in America but just a drop in the bucket in the anime scene in Japan.
>>150437667>emperors/kings of the jungle long before Kimba, Kimba did not popularize the term.it did in japan since they have been referred to kings of the savanna, not jungles
>>150437518Yes. Bedknobs and Broomsticks is just one example of another american made disney movie where there is a lion character that is a king.
>>150437734>if it was a Cowboy Bebop situationabsolutely not, not even close
>>150437766The entire origin of the phrase comes from a bastardization of the Indian word for wilderness and they also had lions, it did not originate in Japan. There are serials in the 30s that make use of that phrase that long predate Kimba.
>>150437824>”King of the Jungle” comes from a bastardization of the Indian word for wildernessNeat. I didn’t know that.
>>150434424he's crashing out about bestiality again
>>150436304I wish there was a dogfucker that was autistically obsessed with Shakespeare who would make a youtube video essay putting this misconception to bed too.
>“This is the first I’ve heard of Kimba or Tezuka. I never heard anything or saw anything about his work,” screenwriter Linda Woolverton told the San Francisco Chronicle the next day. In the same article, Howard Green, a Disney spokesman, went further: “None of the principals involved in creating The Lion King were aware of Kimba or Tezuka.” (In a follow-up article four days later, Green softened his stance to “some of us had heard of Kimba,” and one anonymous source even admitted to bringing up the series in a meeting, but no one quoted deviated from the company line that Tezuka’s work had no influence on the development of the film.)>Schodt says the notion that no one who worked on Lion King had even heard of Tezuka is “absolutely unthinkable — anybody who knows anything about animation knew that that was just preposterous.” He insists that, in the early stages of production, Disney’s animators would have been actively seeking out reference material. “The first thing they’d do is go out and try and look at every work that’s been done using lions. You have to learn to draw these animals!” he says. “And the other thing is that all the Disney animators at that point in time, they were of the age that they would have seen it on television or seen references to it. So the idea that nobody knew it’s just crazy!”
Another pointless thread when this shit has been documented and solved years ago.
>Sunder also points to the fact that Minkoff’s co-director, Roger Allers, lived in Tokyo for two years during the ’80s, when Tezuka was still alive and his series would have aired on TV frequently (also worth noting that until 2008, Panja — Kimba’s father — was the mascot for the Seibu Lions baseball team, who were basically Japan’s version of the Yankees in the ’80s, winning eight championships between 1982 and 1992). >In fact, at the time Green gave his initial statement to the Chronicle it had already been undermined by the film’s star, Matthew Broderick, who voiced the grown-up Simba. In an interview with the Austin American-Statesman a month earlier, Broderick, who was cast when the working title of the project included the name “Simba,” said this: “I thought [they] meant Kimba, who was a white lion on TV when I was a little kid. So I kept telling everyone I was going to play Kimba.”LIAR LIAR LIAR
>>150434232Arrest sperg>>150435128Stop deflecting>>150435328Gtfo sperg
>>150438168Matthew Broderick‘s performance was kinda weak, but he’s based for admitting he was playing Kimba
>>150439228Obsessed fag
>>150439246Kys weebtroon
>>150439366Do you want to talk about what’s really bothering you?
>>150439385Yes, fags like you
>>150439399Okay, why?
>>150439421>>150439246Because of this
>>150439439Did you really like the way Broderick played Simba that much?
>>150434009The stories are legit nothing alike. Dumb people are just fooled by a few visual similarities.
>>150438168>Roger Allers, lived in Tokyo for two years during the ’80s, when Tezuka was still alive and his series would have aired on TV frequentlyYeah, from 1983 to 1985, and where does it say he watched Kimba or baseball there? The Kimba remake of the 80s didn't happen until 1989. >Matthew BroderickHe's just an actor who watched Kimba before and had no creative input on the story, this proves nothing. When you get Roger Allers or Irene Mecchi to make a statement like this, I'll care.
>>150434479>>150434457>>150434060Is he just a furfag or like an actual rl animal fucker?
>>150439524I think visual design likenesses are pretty important in animation.
>>150439579Not when said visual similarities amount to like one shared visual scene and 'there's a lion in it'
>>150439579But most of the similarities either come from one of the post Lion King realease Kimba movies or are just reasonably coincidental which is why dogfucker autistically went through every claim made in these clickbait vids where most of the similarity "evidence" comes from
>>150439551I don’t think there’s solid evidence he actually fucks dogs, but he publicly stated that he believes there is nothing morally wrong with someone fucking a dog.
>>150439579Denying the obvious to cover corporate ass is more important though
>>150439464There’s last part
>>150437142The Lion King had two directors. Rob Minkoff, the one who said he never heard of Kimba, never lived in Japan. Roger Allers, the one who did live in Japan, also didn't move to Japan until 30 years after the manga ended, 20 years after the first tv series ended, and left 4 years before the second tv series aired.
>>150437142That's like saying a foreigner living in America for two years is expected to know what Aqua Teen Hunger Force is.
>>150438087>>150438168Did you get this from Wikipedia (?)
at least TLK didn't have racist portrayals of african people
>>150439872More like a foreign animator living in America for two years who knows about Crusader Rabbit
It’s a Monkey Island situation where the thing Disney was allegedly plagiarizing was already inspired by a Disney work.
>>150440740There’s no plagiarizing
>>150434009Well hmmm
>>150439348>>150439399Rent free sperg>>150439366You first neettoon
>>150439745Even if you’re of the uncommon opinion that bestiality is a “victimless crime,” that’s just not something anyone with sense should say publicly, on the internet, attached to their real name. Even if you get asked point blank, you should just evade the question or lie. Anybody who can’t manage that kinda deserves to be labeled a dogfucker.
>>150439551He's a furfag who's attracted to cartoon animals, not real ones
>>150442301Obsessed fag
>>150442702Rent free sperg
>>150443102Cope
>>150443124Arrest
>>150435543>2 hours and 40 minutes>review is longer than the actual movie>part 1 >doesn't even review the whole moviepeople watch this shit?
>>150443207Sometimes it's funny seeing an autistic guy mercilessly tear apart an extremely mid movie
WTF
>>150444184?
>>150443289Stfu fag
>>150434026I used to think the same as you...then after seeing the Lion King 2, I find Kimba had Belladonna/Beradona. She was working for humans, but the goal was the same as Zira: get rid of Kimba. She pretended to be his aunt and tells him her name is Ziruba. C',mon, man. This shit's WAY too close.
>>150446689This is about the OG movie and DVD only sequels don't count
>>150444184What, you’ve never worn your dead dad’s skin to go to bed?
>>150446689Goalposts. The point is they did it AGAIN.
>>150442566imagine if they fucked
