The streets are saying Aztec Batman is kino
>>150442624Lo dudo
>>150442624Whatever you say ese
>>150442624Why should I care for the opinion of the unwashed masses
>>150442624Still not going to watch it.
>>150442624It's going to suck balls, bat balls.
>>150442624I wish the Spaniards that arrieved in the 1500's had been as blood thirsty and racist and "Europe Man Bad" as these shitty PC movies make them out to be. Imagine the whole country descending soley on the Spanish side and bragging about defeating the murderous snake whorshipping savages and building cities atop their ruins, instead we've got Spanish-Indio mutts "We Wuzzing" the one tribe they very likely don't descent from.
>>150444111Latin America would be 80% black if they had removed the natives. Someone had to work in the deadly silver mines and Spaniards are lazy.
Mesoamerican history infodumper here, very interested in watching it later todayMost of what I've seen so far in trailers and panels has been pretty well done, though I am concerned about the "Cortes mistaken as a god" misconception apparently being played straight, and a few other thingsIf nothing else I am entirely sold on the environments, they've clearly done excellent work there in terms of research and the artistic execution of them. Pic related is probably my favorte reconstruction of Moctezuma II's palace I've ever seen, even above Scott and Stuart Gentlings (and others that take inspiration from theirs like BigRedHair's and Thomas Kole's), despite ironically it using the Great Calmecac as a reference despite it being a different structure>>150444111I agree that the movie seems to be dumbing down the political complexities involved and seems to be making Cortes out to be more bloodthirsty then he really was. That being said, most of the outrage over the film vilifying the Spanish was also being done by historically ignorant dumbasses who just have an axe to grind with modern culture war nonsense and ended up spreading a bunch of misinformation themselves, EX: repeating the common misconception that Cortes got allies against the Mexica of the Aztec capital due to them being oppressive/doing sacrifices, in reality most of the alliances with other states was mostly simply opportunistic, to gain or retain political power and status......and while Cortes may have not been a sadistic genocidal maniac, he also wasn't a altruistic liberator and absolutely did murder and pillage to further his own glory and wealth, he just wasn't stupid enough to instantly jump to that most of the time and knew how to play the part of a diplomat, at least intially (though he then was also getting played and duped by local kings as much as he was using them, and he DID escalate to violence at times out of paranoia, selfishness etc when he didn't need t)
>>150444111>Imagine the whole country descending soley on the Spanish sidegrim
>>150442624So, I guess we are 420 years away from a banman animated feature where he is reimagined as a vigilante Hitler stalking and killing jewish gangsters
>>150444111>"Hola, onions puto."Eso leimos
>>150445052If you're making that comparison you have zero idea of how Aztec politics or conquests actually workedThey weren't Nazi Germany, they were the Athenian League or the Holy Roman Empire with a bit of the Mongols sprinkled in: Militaristic conquerors, but relatively loose (to a fault) and mostly left the places they conquered alone provided they coughed up taxes of economic goods.
>>150445004>in reality most of the alliances with other states was mostly simply opportunistic, to gain or retain political power and status...Bro, they were opportunists but there's no denying that the Aztecs were feared and hated by a lot of the people paying tribute to them.The entire Siege of Tenochtitlan is a battle of spite with both sides getting sick and still fighting, those 3 months were bloody as fuck.You cannot convince me that the tlaxcalteca didn't despise the Aztecs.
Feels kind of strange that Aztec Batman is using Spanish technology. Sure, it makes sense, steel weapons, armor, and tools beat the shit out of obsidian and wood weapons, tools, and padded armor, I just find it odd they didn't keep things more native with his gear.
>>150445004>Cortes being mistaken for a godNot exactly, is more like the Tlaxcaltecs and Mexica saw the arrival of the Spaniards as some sort of profecy being fullfil, like they were "sent by the gods" rather than being gods themselves.>Moctezuma's palaceLooks fine, Moctezuma was cool.>historically ignorant dumbasses who just have an axe to grind with modern culture war nonsenseThis guy probably >>150445052>>150445071Te tengo una mejor Puto el que lo lea
I don't have to like Jewish producers making an anti-Catholic movie using Batman to sell it.
is it true that the mexicans basucally acted as spanish mercs and ruines everything for everyone in the empire?What Batman analogue would they be?
>>150445137The Tlaxcalteca did, sure, but Texcoco, Xochimilco, Chalco, etc? They to varying degrees actively benefitted from Mexica conquests in most circumstances, and only switched sides after Tenochtitlan got fucked by smallpox and they had more to gain and less to lose by turning on it (and even this is an oversimplification on my part). That's why I said "most", because Tlaxcala was just one of the states that participated, yet people project their geopolitical motives onto all the other states that allied with it/the Conquistadors even though Tlaxcala was in a relatively unique position with different motives then themAnd even Tlaxcala was not in it purely to get out of Mexica aggression: They were also furthering their own political power and influence, as seen when they either instigated the Cholula massacre to begin with, or at least (likely, I actually lost track of the source that talked about this) leveraged it to gain control over the city in the aftermath of it.I talk more about this here across these posts:pastebin.com/h18M28BRarch.b4k.dev/v/thread/640670498/#640679139desuarchive.org/his/thread/16781148/#16781964And even these include many other posts I've done about it in more depth >>150445151The idea of there being prophecies at all is probably post-contact revisionism, too.
>>150445166>anti-Catholic movie
>>150442624I like the Aztec mythology, i think the feathered serpent is coolBut the actual spear wielding, loincloth wearing, human sacrificing, smallpox dying, american abos aren't coolAt all
>>150445177I'm just tired of all the political revisionism of the tlaxcaltecas being traitors, they looked after themselves.There was no Mexico, they were not subjects of the Aztecs that rebelled they were they own sovereign people that made a choice and won the conflict.If anything it's thanks to them that we have a lot of information from a native perspective instead of just the Catholic chronicles of the time, for the most part the tlaxcalteca also enjoyed the benefits that were granted to them and kept a lot of their traditions alive to this day.It kinda sickens me that whenever I see new literature they paint them as traitors through some Marxist revisionist lenses as if the identity of a Mexican existed at the time. If anything the definition of someone Mexican is more of a criollo concept being tired of not holding office and siding with the people of the colonies they were born in but I digress.México has a beautiful and complex history of its own without people trying to pass values of today into it.
>>150445221>But the actual spear wielding, loincloth wearingI suspect your mental image of what they actually looked like is incorrect, based on your description here
>>150444111>"We Wuzzing" the one tribe they very likely don't descent from.Most people dont know that the aztecs were pretty much wiped out. La malinche made sure of it.
>>150445318anon 1.5+ million people still speak Nahuatl
>>150445550This was stupid enough to make me laugh.
>>150445578It's just unfathomably stupid because the conquistadors are clearly the good guys. The Aztecs are almost the most unequivocal villains in all of history. They were so shitty that the minute the peoples they ruled had a chance to throw off their yoke they took it, even if it meant allying with foreigners who might as well have been from another planet. The Aztecs are BAD, period, so the idea of trying to make them sympathetic is comical, it's slapstick. It's only the sort of thing you'd get out of the idiot nepobaby Jews currently running the ruins of Hollywood.
The concept of a Joker origin in the vein of Heart of Darkness is really fucking cool and is just brimming with potential. But it being used in something like this seems like an absolute waste.
>>150442624Joker and Ivy were kind of interesting, but on the whole the plot was pretty generic and falls into many of the trappings of an origin movie. I would be interested to see a sequel.
>>150442624it does look interesting, but god the art style is so fucking bad >>150445505ivy looks so fucking ugly here lmao
>>150445227>México has a beautiful and complex history of its own without people trying to pass values of today into it.Don't they have a memorial honoring both the Spaniards and Mesoamericans as a compromise to pay respect to Mexico's rather bloody and rough origin?
Beware, Pan is monitoring this thread for more latino mythos inspiration for his failed pilot
>>150442624Word on the street that it's once again white man bad propaganda slop.
>>150445550Biblically accurate Mexican history
>>150445683Yes, but Mexico's "beautiful and complex" history is also full of bloodshed and ugliness. We could have a movie about the Cristeros War, for example, but that would be quite nasty and I'm not sure Hollywood would want to tell it since it paints Catholics pretty sympathetically.
>>150442624>anima studios>the shit animation on those trailersnah
>>150445970Yes, they were wronged in the worst way possible.The whole period was a disaster especially in the south.
I don't know about you, but this has potential as being /co/'s very own "Buck Breaking" but instead of a black man getting raped it's a Spaniard Joker getting raped by a Mexican Batman. It's so full with potential hilarity that I just know it will give rise to a new breed of bait threads designed to provoke catholics over "muh black legend" or rhetorical questions like whether it was secretly based or kino or some other bullshit. I'm excited and I will be torrenting it on release.
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