WELL I USED TO WORK AT A HOTDOG FACTORYUNTIL THEM ROBOTS CAME ALONGAND NOW THERE IS NO JOB FOR MEBUT I GET 3,000 BUCKS A MONTH, THANKS TO UBI
>>150443498Soos?
>>150443498>BUT I GET 3,000 BUCKS A MONTH, THANKS TO UBIisn't that more so severance pay and not UBI?
>>150443544Presumably it's a world where severance is paid into a UBI system.
P(doom) will be the real severance.
>>150443498>>150443544I want fucking 3000$ a month. My job been cutting my hours and I hate it.
>>150443498this show fucking ruled. I knew it didn't have a chinaman's chance the moment it aired. it's too smartly written, and too stupidly drawn. Nobody's gonna get it. This is basically the Honeymooners taken full circle.>>150443898there was an interesting video recently from a trekkie suggesting that the closest we could ever get to starfleet's post-scarcity economy would be UBI but NOT tax-funded. instead funded by economic growth directly, passed directly to those people. It sounded plausible.
>>150443498I want an episode on the hotdog prices going down at this place
>>150443926>it's not a tax>the government is just requiring money to be redistributed on pain of punishment
>>150443926>this show fucking ruledit still does, new episodes come out on september 28
>>150443926>>150444023I liked Universal Basic Guys. I prefer it over Bob's Burgers and Great North. UBG does have some memorable episodes and it does make me laugh at times. UBG is like a NEET fantasy. "What would you do with all the time and money if you got UBI?" There are fantasy elements to the show too, like the Jersey Devil, mermaids, and witches. So the show does have some fantastic world building.
>>150443993well that's the thing, it'd have to be NOT that. at the very least, they'd have to be forbidden to have or control any of it. kinda like how we need the media to stop having any control over any aspect of political debates and nominations, but yknow. that's for another board.>>150444023no fucking way! it's been off the air for a year.are Grimsburg and Krapopolis coming back too? Love those fucks.
>>150444064I would not call these jersey schlubbs NEET fantasies by any stretch, but they are hilarious.It's almost like ... a statement on how people in sitcoms often spend very little time at work, so they have more time for wild shenanigans.
>>150444064My life would not change, I would just have a lot more model kits and I would only draw for myself instead of kids with bad fetishes.well and friends, i guess.and non-autistic people who want to pay me, but i'll have to charge more
>>150444064PLAPPABLE WIFE
>>150444064Universal Basic Guys might be the stupidest title I've ever heard for a comedy series. What's the pun even? It's like they WANTED to debut with an uphill battle
>>150444274Imagine if they were women?>Universal Basic Bitches
>>150444274I never thought about it, I guess just like "basic guys" like regular normal guys.. but with universal on it to make it UBI.
>>150444297Way better name if you ask me
>>150443926>UBI but NOT tax-funded. instead funded by economic growth directly, passed directly to those peopleI have a hard time understanding what you're trying to convey by this description. "Economic growth" is just the positive change in the productive capacity of an economy over time. It doesn't "fund" things directly. If there are no taxes paying into the UBI, I don't see the mechanism by which higher wages/profits/rents are redirected into the welfare state. From my understanding, the most common model of a post-scarcity UBI economy is one in which there is a tax on the unimproved value of land and a large portion of capital is owned by the state via a social wealth fund. Since there are no wages, the only costs of goods and services are in land and capital, the rents of which are redistributed among the people as a UBI.
>>150444242so true
>>150444404dude, i didn't quote his entire video verbatim for a reason. it made sense IN THE VIDEO. there's no way a few sentences from me were going to adequately convey the information, and if you stop and think for five seconds, you'd know that.the prosperity in question is funded by automation and shit, basically his point is that most jobs right now don't need to be done at all, especially mindless labor and bureaucracy and endless legislators whose entire job is to fuck with people to pretend to be useful.>socialismeew, no.
>>150444450She’s pretty cute. God how I want to fondle her chubby as fuck gut.
>>150444484That makes two of us
>>150444274It works better in abbreviation.>U B I>U B Guys think that was the goal, but the bosses thought it was too subtle so they made them say the whole name and it doesn’t work as well, but it’s what the producer wanted.
>>150444530yeah if the title had actually been displayed and sung as "UB Guys" I would have gotten it. it's a pun, but a lazy, stupid pun so it works great for Gleason and Carney here.
>>150444530I still say something like 'Reality Check' would've worked better. Or when all else fails, use the name of the setting: 'Glantontown.' Fuck it, HOAGIES should've been an obvious choice
>>150443898Cut them back with a knife in minecraft. Then they'll respect you
>>150443498A UBI would only inflate the cost of living by the same amount, it can't work and won't work. As long as prices are arbitrary and unrelated to the cost of production, as soon as every citizen has guaranteed free money, nearly all businesses will raise their prices, because their customer base has more disposable income. UBI is a trap.
>>150444573>Reality Checklike it. Probably been done>name of the townI'm sure they heard Grimsburg was in development, probably told to nix it>Hoagiesmy man. yes. They should have called it Hoagies.
>>150444646the cost of living goes down because the shitty jobs they used to do are now being done essentially for freein this case, hotdogs now cost like 5 cents to pay for robot maintenance. Multiply that by every product, and now who cares if you're poorNo, it's not a trap, and it's not an impossible idea. It is, however, an idea that will NEVER fly with ANYONE on any side of anything. And quite rightly too, because everyone knows they'd fuck it up about as hard as they fucked everything else up.>businesses raise their priceswe used to have this thing called 'competition' that fixed that, I dunno what happened to it..
>>150444667Prices are completely unrelated to the cost of production. Do you think if McDonald's found a way to cut the cost of making a hamburger by half, that that would reduce how much they would charge for that hamburger? Don't be fucking stupid, that just gets pocketed for the company. And when they decide to raise the prices again, well, every one of our customers has 3000 dollars in disposable income, right? Why not raise the cost of the burger by a few more cents? After all, what's the big deal? Multiply that out to every single industry from grocery stores to rent to whatever you want, competition does NOT reduce prices. You already know this, because we have competition in our economy already, and prices already increase. UBI cannot work unless you were to pass regulations requiring prices to be some multiple of the cost of production, like if a bottle of soda costs 10 cents to produce, and the limit for profitability is 300%, the max they would be able to charge is 40 cents. It's the only way UBI can ever work.
>>150444713>Do you think if McDonald's found a way to cut the cost of making a hamburger by half, that that would reduce how much they would charge for that hamburger?literally why they operated as 'the cheap option' for 70 years, yes. They found a way to use cheap worn-out old dairy cattle, which don't taste that good, but mix in just enough expensive quality beef that it tastes good againAnon, you don't understand economics. you understand -villainy-. and your teaches have taught you they're the same thing... -because they are villains-
>>150444795>>150444807NTA but burger prices were going up before covid. Low burger prices, value menu prices, were a product of strategy being implemented by a company that can more easily weather the storm of operating at a loss. Also as a publicly traded company, costs of production getting cheaper hardly results in prices coming down or worker conditions getting better, exec payouts, government bribery, and stock dividends are a priority. You want to report profits and remain more profitable than you did last quarter, that's the whole point of buy stocks. The result is benefits hardly go to workers amd value hardly go to customers.
>>150443926You'd have to have a form of government where lobbying is impossible which narrows it down to being conquered by Aliens or a Rogue AI .
>>150444900yes yes, there's that too. get rid of that. that never had any place in this shit, and it's counterproductive to profits.
>>150444903Thanks for reminding me that Amazon's War of the Worlds was blatant anti-government, pro-silicone valley propaganda.
guys this thread is depressing, can we talk about the funny show?I like when fred armisen plays hatable guys because it's gonna happen anyway>>150444920sounds good to mecome to think of it, what was >>150444444 ?
>>150444926Why does that sound good to you? Silicone valley wants deregulation so they can more effectively fuck you over, even firing you and replacing you with an H1B jeet. War of the Worlds tries to tell you it's good Amazon creates a surveillance state and Teslas are hackable because you might one day need to hack all of it to save the day.
>>150444917>no more lawyers, we just talk things out in a court without really having a grasp on existing law to reference or compareLobbyists are worse. Reforming campaign finance starting with citizens united and implementing lower limits for donations would be a good start.
>>150444971quotas are not going to fix this.>grasp on lawif the law is that fucking hard to understand, you did it wrong. i'd rather every criminal go free than one person has to sit through overcomplicated legal jargon. Just say the law plainly. it's wrong to X. Did anyone see him X? yes? two or three people? do they agree? kill, enslave, or deport him.Wait, they were lying? Kill them.nobody saw it? didn't happen. get vigilant.there is no other way to have a legal system. this thing where you wait in line for years and then get crammed into a room because they're too chickenshit to kill you is -not working-
you know what, i'm not getting banned for youtalk to your fucking grandpa.
>>150443926>there was an interesting video recently from a trekkie suggesting that the closest we could ever get to starfleet's post-scarcity economy would be UBI but NOT tax-funded. instead funded by economic growth directly, passed directly to those people. It sounded plausible.Shit like UBI isn't implausible because it's inherently unfeasible, that's ancap nonsense. It's unfeasible because it's politically undesirable. Elites do not want their wagies to have an alternative to terrible adult-daycare jobs.
shit, not letting me delete the last one. fascinating. had no idea there was a limit.>>150445005one of the stupidest statements I've ever seen.
>>150445011I can tell from your posts that you have a weaker grasp on how reality works than a literal schizophrenic.
>>150444503This was a great moment despite how short it was. Man, it’s a damn shame she’s so overlooked. Course I understand why that is. But still a shame nonetheless. She’s cute as hell and one of the more likeable characters from the show. She deserved better.
>>150445023you do realize that's how opinions work, right? you were fed one set of information, I was fed the truth. neither of us is actually insane, but one believes lies. Mine are supported by literally all of history, yours are supported by the last decade or so, because you're like 20.now talk about the fucking show.
>>150444979The government is trying to protect our right to repair our tractors and cellphones. "You will own nothing and you will be happy" is a product of the private sector. They want the deregulation and weakened government so they can charge you more, give you less, pay you less, and hook everything up to rent, leasing, and subscription. >The government is trying to wipe out business, so they can do exactly what you're saying.How and why? Our government is heavily controlled by billionaires, they keep getting their way in more ways than they already had and things keep getting worse while things keep getting better for them.
>>150445032I recant my earlier statement. Technically you cannot be dumber than a schizo, since you obviously are one.
>>150445038please talk to your grandpa. i'll give you some werther's originals.
>>150444713It can work pretty easily.It just requires regulation.Capitalism requires regulation to remain capitalism and not just watch the merge all companies into one abstract rape machine.The reason we're experiencing the inflation we're experiencing is because we have allowed the competition aspect of capitalism to go away. In every field we're whittling down to 5 or fewer companies, each of which is in multiple fields. Capital defeated "Capitalism".
>>150445047My grandpa said union membership was 1 in 3 in the 50s and Nixon started the EPA. He said private equity firms are a product of deregulation in the 80s and didn't become a problem until the 00s. He said stock buybacks used to be illegal. He said campaign finance regulations used to put a cap on things like AIPAC.
what the fuck is the time limit on deleting posts
>>150445047if i told my grandpa that unions are bad he would beat my ass senseless and be 100% right to do so
>>150445064that's the ONLY good kind of regulation. the government is doing every type BUT that. what does that tell you? they want it all gone.now shut the actual fuck up and talk about funny fat guy. i love how in each episode, he says some dumbass shit, then later it turns out to be true.
man when did /co/ become /co/mmunist.Enjoy agreeing with the news media, public school system, and literal terrorists, I guess.
>>15044509099.9% of the human race is "communist" by Ameritard standards.
>>150445064>The reason we're experiencing the inflation we're experiencingWe need a new word for this though because to many, increasing prices is just what companies do after calculation of the value of the dollar after more money is printed. Most of what we see is just a price increase, what a company knows it can charge and get away with to maximize profits. Covid created an opportunity to experiment with high prices and prices just didn't go down because we kept on buying.
>$3000 a monthI'd pay off my credit card debts and work on my webcomic idea I've always wanted to do, and travel to Japan to do the Shikoku Henro as much as I can
>>150445090It's not even communism, it's the simple fact that it's a dog eat dog world. Free market neoliberalism reached the point where libertarian cynics just smirk at the mess their own ideals being put into practice created and saying "well you can't trust government, there's too much money it". It's their fault it got this bad and they refuse to do anything to make it better. They elect people who further shit up government and weaken it on behalf of the billionaires.
>>150444463>the prosperity in question is funded by automationThis is a complete pipe dream. Nobody is going to pay anyone simply for existing, they'll leave you penniless and depressed and recommend government assisted suicide as your "treatment". The general population's only value is their labor, and the government doesn't need to fear them if they can't buy guns to rebel.
>>150445081It is absolutely not the only good kind of regulation. That's a baby's understanding of government. Laws like "your food has to be food" and "you can't just dump your battery factory runoff into the river" and "you can't just watch a guy die on the sidewalk of an emergency room because he doesn't have his insurance card out" and "you can't just divert this river and bottle it and sell it to the people downstream from you" which is a law but we let Nestle just break it. These and tens of thousands more are natural outgrowths of the government being a body by the people, for the people and not allowing the masses to be scammed, hurt, robbed or killed by the few in pursuit of dollars.
>>150443926>funded by economic growth directlyEconomic growth isn't some infinite "number goes up" process, that's fucking bonkers.
>>150445216It's weird that this needs to be said, but the anti-regulation crowd often points to the sheer number of regulations and policy that increases through the decades as a sign of over regulation when really it's obvious; the founding fathers weren't aware of the dynamics involved in creating and distributing this volume of Sonic the Hedgehog cp through space and state lines to reach a Canadian minor after that country made loli illegal.
>>150445238We're like 20 years into a vibes based economy. Apple is the third most valuable company on the planet. They are a minority player in the home computing world and they dominate phone sales in one country and that's it. Google is the backbone of the Internet and arguably the single most powerful company to exist since the trading companies, and it's been worth 60% of apple most of the time since 2018. Nvidia has gone up three trillion in two years on the fantasy of replacing half the workforce... with a technology that can't count and has hemorrhaged more money than any firm in history with a trivial revenue stream that's patently, obviously its own investors trying to put something on the books so people will throw money on the fire.We are "trying to make fetch happen" as an economy, and it is everyone's retirement so no one can afford for fetch to fail. But it will.
UBI is bad because instead of the government giving the cattle money, the cattle should be giving the government money, and any cattle who run out of money should be tortured to death. Rinse and repeat until only the richest and most powerful people exist.
>>150443498>>150443544>What do I use it for?>To buy hotdogs
>>150444404It's not UBI, but is wages were paid based on a percentage of profit instead of a set hourly number, you would have a similar effect to what he is describing, where all the workers of a company directly benefit from the profitability and success of it.
Universal Basic Guys is normieslop, fags. It’s just another shitty adult animated sitcom by millennials, for millennials, with a shitty cheap ass inexpressive artstyle, you fags are why this garbage will get another season and why adult animation is in the shitter.
>>150445373>But it will.That being my point.
>>150444297Shit, I'm a lib cuck who doesnt like gendered insults and I still have to admit thats objectively way better
I have a love/hate relationship with this show's art style (erring on the love side tho)
>>150444064I don't understand the premise of this show. Animated sitcom dads already have infinite resources for hijinks and only go to work when they have jokes to tell about work.I mean, has anyone ever asked "Why isn't Homer at work right now?"
>>150446910>it's another "wackyfag wanders into a thread of shit he doesn't like" episodeshouldn't you be busy making the next big wacky cartoon or something
>>150443498I'm sick of getting attached to Fox cartoons and having them die after 2 seasons.
>>150447326Unfortunately, the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent. In a post-information world, we can just lie our way to infinity until it's too late to prevent anything worth preventing.
>>150448446That's a great point and we've seen it happen again and again. Even when there are consequences or some sort of failure that is felt at the top, the workers and consumers walk away from the experience much worse off than those at the top. They have less and have less security and protections, so they lose harder and with more consequence. And those at the bottom hardly have the time and resources to begin to understand what's happening to them and who to blame and no real power or options to correct any problems. The problems exist, get worse, and remain profitable to others.
>>150444503Thirding this. She's this shows only thing of value
