This guy would've hit modern day internet fandom the way crack hit the black community
Feels nice to see people still remember gargoyles.
>>150443712I agree, but I never actually revisit it. I just acknowledge it exists every once in a while.
>>150443712I just finished rewatching it after only vaguely remembering it from childhood. Holds up pretty damn well aside from the occasional wonky animation.
>>150443712Show was phenomenal in the 90s. But most definitely would suffer in quality in today's standards, especially the main creator being full of himself.
>>150444189The current comics are pretty good. Worst part is the insane delays due to Diamond fucking over Dynamite.
>>150443680Secret time: Fox and Xanatos are part of why I have a happy marriage now. They were my first "good couple" example that didn't come across as a Disney movie fantasy and I came from a broken home.
A buddy of mine was able to get away with using Xanatos' "Pay a man enough and he'll walk barefoot into Hell" line as his senior quote.
>>150443680I thought it was a fun twist at first but it kind of takes away from the stone hand since nothing was actually sacrificed
>>150443712Was there ever an HD re-release?
>>150443680>voiced by Brent Spiner90s kino
>>150444495When he could switch between forms, sure, but now he's stuck as Owen unless for rare exceptions, and he only shifted to Puck once.
I still haven't watched season 3.
>>150443680amazingly, internet fandom existed back then, but it was mostly focused on shit like>Lexington finally gets a GF and she's a mousy nerd just like me!>Brooklyn finally gets a GF and she's a human with kind of a big nose like me! but he likes her anyway>Demona finds her son Jericho on Avalon and gets into an incestuous relationship with him as well as making him a partner in crime>Elisa and Goliath finally fuck>Fox and Xanatos play cat and mouse with each other romantically (double reverse cuckolding where they actually end up together)there was very little gay shit and nobody was that into twinks with nasal voices.GOD i miss that fandom. That was my first exposure to the concept of fanfiction. "it's over, but it doesn't HAVE to be over"
>>150444289they're letting the kookiness slip in. the Demona miniseries is fucking retarded.>another comics company publishing gargoyles gets fucked overweisman curse.he gets real mad when you say that, but he also gets mad when you say penis goes only in vagina, so
>>150444354I do love how they were like "well we're obviously bad, but.. we don't want to be bad alone, so let's try to be bad together" and then after a while "oh shit we actually love each other, what the fuck. we have things to protect now, we have a KID. i guess... we can stop being bad." "But no repercussions, right?" "of course not">>150444495That's what makes it so neat. you're like wtf why would he do that.. then you realize oh, at the time it didn't matter.
>>150444714good, don't. I mean, except as comedy. it's actually amazing how it manages to do everything the opposite of GargoylesThe show that gives us the poster child for intelligent and charismatic villains decides that the anti-gargoyle KKK that Weisman had set up would be best run as an organization that believes "GARGOYLES ARE EVIL! They save people! let's trick them into trying to save people, and KILL THEM (and the people). That's how evil they are, it'll work great!" fuckin looniessomeone actually captures and brainwashes goliath to kill this equally over the top Gandhi-esque diplomat. it was a TRIP if you enjoy just pointing and laughing at shitoh and there was one episode where the Aladdin animation team did it, and Elisa ended up.. kinda extra extra sexy. like wayy too sexy.
>>150444714You're not missing much. Even if you don't intend to read the comics, Hunter's Moon works as a satisfying ending.
This show's mythology is wild, because what do you mean Odin, Anansi, and Anubis are subservient to Oberon?
Someone post the eye patch comic-con interviews
>>150444831You forgot that aliens are also real.
>>150444831Fae supremacy in this bitch
>>150444831The impression I get, and I believe Greg has spoken on it a bit, is that all of the gods of death are collectively legitimately the rulers of death, but by all taking the role. any one of them can be taken control of, and all of death will be controlled with it, but if anubis were to just quit, there's other death gods.but yes, Oberon is their king and patriarch, though not the forebear of all fae
>>150444753I still don't know why weissman thought making lex gay was gonna improve his character. Dude clearly had interest in women in the series too and tired to force bs around it.Also I think weissman deadass tried to compare black people and gargoyles in a court scene. That shit was way too on the nose and just flat out forced.
>>150445091ehhh no, that one works. A civilized people found a backwards people in loincloths who had a different color, and immediately thought they were a different species (look up the full title of Darwin's book, and you'll see why they collar-tuggingly shorten it to 'origin of species') and thus treated them like animals despite the ability to talk. I think that was a perfect comparison.>gaythe really sad thing is, that's a pretty negative stereotype. of course the little wimpy one who can't get any is gonna be gay. That's nature, that's situational homosexuality, like on a ship, or in a herd of bisontrouble is, Greg also established that gargoyles mate for life, and females can only have three eggs in a lifetime. In that situation, if you have even a tiny percent of your population not breeding, you're extinct. it's guaranteed.
>>150444831I actually hate its lore. Good show, but William Shakespeare wanking gets annoying fast.
>>150445170I can't imagine HATING that, but it is dull as fuck if you never read shakespeare and don't care about that era of history enough to care how it relates to shakespeare and how neato keen it is that we're seeing the REAL version of both events now..but that's what you get when you have a show creator this intelligent. You gotta let him wank the things he finds interesting. Ditko had his objectivist shit, Kirby was obsessed with meaning in a cosmos where even gods can die and be replaced..
Its so good broshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xGeSso_45Y
>>150445091Weisman always makes sure to have one character he can say was secretly gay the whole time ever since he got away with that retcon on Lexington that absolutely was not set upIirc in Young Justice it's BartI forgot who it was in Spectacular
>>150445250I'd rather not know, but I assume it's Harry since he always picks the sniveliest little guyI can't wait for them to Rowling him someday. it'll happen to anyone who tries to appeal to that crowd.
>>150444847I wonder if he's finally going to bring in Queen Mab in the next big story arc. He sort of used her in Spectacular Spider-Men already.
>>150443712I watched it a couple years ago for the first time, the travel back to New York was almost as bad as people made it out to be.
>>150444495I think the twist is still great. He met someone so plain he made a bet that he could become plainer using magic and lost.
>>150445302friend of mine fuckin HATED it. i warned him beforehand and he still despised it. But then he also weirdly kept wanting goliath and demona back together.
>>150443680It's always crazy seeing Brent Spiner play someone who's not Data. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjWxNiA_ciU
>>150445322wait how did he lose?the great part of the twist was that he became someone boring, then revealed himself as Mr. Musical Theater himself, offering a wish, to a megalomaniac with massive dreams of power, just to see what would happen, and he chose 'i want you to keep being my butler' and that was possibly even more interesting. Xanatos managed to out-"hmmm" Puck.
For me it's office lady Dominique Destine
>>150445324there was a glurgey 80s twilight zone with him too.>>150445339meant for >>150445319
>>150443831I rewatched the whole thing recently with my fiance who had never seen it. It was great, though obviously the boat arc drags out far too long (even if the individual episodes are good, it's just the momentum of wanting everyone to meet Angela that screws it up) and then of course everyone going a bit OOC in season 3 due to production issues. Everything up to the beginning of the boat arc is great, though.A shame we never got an arc about Demona being a Lex Luthor type causing mayhem during the day during Season 2.
>>150445342It's unfortunate that she didn't fuck Macbeth, the war would have probably ended the second they entered the orgasm feedback loop
>>150445350it would have been way better if they interspersed some solo manhattan adventures, but that would have ruined the fakeout where you think they took too long and time passed like crazy>>150445353right? that was such a tragedy. a real proper shakespearian tragedy, and yet, at the same time, a sitcom farce. A trained warrior was apparently never trained not to jump to conclusions, and a king didn't think to say "While a good king considers all of his options, there are some things I would never do, unless I absolutely had to to protect my people"
>>150444770It was also fun because I thought his doppleganger was just them being lazy or something at first.
>>150445091He's a jew
>>150443680>all of the gargs get exceptional gay porn besides Goliath who gets one or two good drawings maybe every 3 yearsI've been denied everything
>>150445364It would have been worth it for the pacing. Heck, they could have even still did the fakeout with some set up to make you think it turned into two diverging timelines without you realizing it or something.
>>150445372The people who basically invented the idea of gay not being okay?
If Gargoyles came out today, I think everyone would hate Xanatos for winning all the time. Especially when it always feels like a huge asspull.
>>150445190I've read Shakespeare and that's the exact reason I hate it. It's too much of a low hanging "I read the fancy literature" fruit. Some inclusion is fine, but overly including it makes it feel like fanfiction rather than original lore.
>>150445414That's pretty much why Young Justice got so much hate, the whole Light always winning got real old real fast, Weisman doesn't know how to not make his villains constantly win and smarter than the heroes.
>>150445414Disagree. Xanatos would be called 'based' by half the internet, and lusted over by the other half.
>>150445414Xanatos makes it work because he still gets some weaknesses and development throughout the show. Thailog's creation was a shit-show. He had to let go of his dreams of immortality and value his family instead. His simple fisherman father wasn't impressed by him until he learned that. Of course, today's audiences are largely morons and would miss nuances like that, so who knows?
>>150443680favourite line: Puck has played many roles, but never the straight-man.
>>150445450Xanatos works because the Gargoyles could easily kick his ass, but for multiple reasons they can't, but at the same time Xanatos can and will go to prison at the drop of a hat.
>>150445450Anon that's not nuance, he just lost 3 times out of 50.
>>150445415Did it really show up that often past the fairies? Macbeth doesn't count, he's more based on historical Macbeth than the one in the show.
>>150445526*in the play.
>>150445434that's because the Light has zero charm. but the heroes had all the charm so it was okay, for a while. I knew he was building to SOMETHINGreg is not the Lost guys or the X-files guys. he had somethin in his pocket. but i stopped caring because it became THE wokest show on tv. and not just in like, politically contentious matters, but in the subtly neutered gen Z way it handled life. The kids had a fucking chaperone and there was no WHIFF of any hanky or panky in the AREA CODE. The whole fucking point of teen superheroes is like, freewheeling fun in between the crushing responsibility. That's why Teen Titans was great, despite having about a tenth the brain cells (and they're now down to one because some exec said 'not dumb enough')
>>150445450Holy shit, when Petros Xanatos got TAKEN THROUGH TIME just so his son could show off that he really had made his own fortune, just by bizarre means, and he still had the wherewithal to give one of the most savage burns imaginable..that was a hell of a moment, and my man Morgan Sheppard really nailed it. RIP.
>>150445464this isn't GI Joe. it's not about who wins and loses each episode. It's about action vs reaction. Xanatos isn't a bunch of villains plotting on the moon and then sending a giant rubber suit monster to fight the same fucking metro area every week. He has to keep winning, or snatching some scrap of victory, so that it continues to make sense that he's _there._Greg wrote in comics, and I guarantee he was sick of being unable to actually get rid of villains permanently because yknow, gotta bring em back later.. so he came up with genuinely brilliant ways to let the guy 'escape' as it were.
>>150443712I remember seeing the trailer for Gargoyles ahead of a premiere for X-Files the Movie sponsored by US Robotics' new 56k modem. I was exactly the target audience. Even got a glow in the dark giant novelty lollipop!If you'll excuse me I will go turn into dust now
>>150445632>saw X-Files the Movie in theatersAnd to think I feel old.
>>150445632Man as a 90s kid I always envied you guys. You got to see the best of entertainment while you were mature enough to appreciate it. I was a fuckin toddler when TMNT came out, the finer points of it were lost on me.
>>150443680I remember that show had many Star Trek actors. I particular remember Jonathan Frakes voice.
>>150445607>The kids had a fucking chaperone and there was no WHIFF of any hanky or panky in the AREA CODE.Wasn’t it implied Ms. Martian used shape shifting to role play with Superboy?
>>150445091>Dude clearly had interest in women in the series Which makes this shit even dumber because this was his first reaction when he met fox in the first few episodes. No gay man acts this way in front of women.
>>150443712I was like "Fuck it I'll watch that show that was rerunning as a kid," and watched it about 4ish years ago. Generally the show is a 7 out of 10. It was either the last season or the penultimate season where they tried to make a super episodic take on the show to, I think, try to make it a franchise. The season where Goliath is on a boat with the cop Latina and they just do a different "cryptid of the week." That was kind of bad to watch. Also, the ending season arcs of "All these Arthur's Court people are still alive because they're on a magical island," wasn't really handled well. Too muddy.The entire show lives and dies with how fun the Gargoyles getting up to modern day chicanery is, as well as the episodes where the Gargoyles are being heroic and save the day and clown on the deliciously Lex Luthor-tier pompous big bad villain guy.
>>150445350Christ, anon. I don't know if I had your post moused over so I was reading it subconsciously, but my above post sounds like we're the same person and I hadn't read your post yet. Syncing up about the boat, which I guess is a common take, and talking about Lex Luthor. Christ that's eerie and I mean it.
>>150445632As someone about to enter his thirties, ya, I can imagine how shitty being 40ish is. I'm gonna watch the DS9 episode about Basheer hitting 30 for my 30th birthday if I'm alive then. While all generations lament looking at the popular things of their youth being talked about 20 years later, older millenials/younger gen-xers have the added thing of how shit the world has gotten after the 90s. Not just culturally, like, they got older and don't even have hot young teen ass or cool rock shows to go to like boomers.
>>150443680Show waa defiantly good for it time. It was a miracle this show was made at all since it was originally made to be a normal comedy show for kids in the 90s.Snce it was such a hit at the time the show was ordered a bunch of epsiodes, something Greg didnt plan for so it explains why the show started doing nonsensical stuff.
>>150447821Generational show desu. Won't get another one like this for like more than decades.
>>150448264Not just that, but Eisner was talked out of buying Marvel in the 90s, but still wanted to compete with Marvel’s animated universe, so he requested Greg to create potential spin-offs. Some of the World Tour episodes are basically back door pilots.
>>150445091>>150447821Would it really have been so hard to make Lex bisexual? It's not as if Weissman was trying to use Lex's sexuality to shill another character, like how Moffat made his version of Irene Adler a lesbian so that she could be attracted to Sherlock and make him seem all the more remarkable and impressive when just making her bisexual would've made more sense and felt less like he was doing some juvenile and kinda homophobic self-insert power fantasy. Still, even Moffat at least had some reason to not make a character clearly attracted to the opposite sex at least bisexual, even if it was a stupid one.
>>150450047Must've been the worst decison yet, dude reqlly spent the rest of the seri3s just making on off pilots instead of just using at the very least two and make it a story.
>>150447001only once they were like 19 or someshit. it was all very fuckin post-social-media sanitized.>>150447821it's almost like gay isn't a real thing that you're born with, but a defect that you might develop or a psychological reaction to stuff in your butt.
>>150447899>how shit the world has gotten after the 90sTHANK YOU. Glad some younger people understand that. We're all fucked, but 90s kids were given a VERY convincing and very false idea of what the future would be like. I can't imagine anyone since the roaring 20s ended has ever felt that same "oh it was stupid to hope, I'd actually be less miserable if I'd been poor from birth because at least I'd be used to it" mindset.though I still like dad rock, my dad raised me right.
>>150448264That's not QUITE what happened.So after season 1, Disney said "give us 65 episodes for season 2" and greg said "that's not possible right now. we'd have to overhaul everything" so disney said "Fine, in that case, you only get another 13" and he said "fine" and got to work planning that.So then, months later, Disney said "no, give us another 65 so we can air it weekly" so they had to SCRAMBLE, work up all the stuff to use a bunch of different studios, and they barely got 46 or so. hence the gap. Some of the numbers there might be wrong, you can check out Greg's 'station 8' website to get the full story. If Disney had insisted sooner, it would have worked out a lot better, but they did the two dumbest things you can do back to back: give someone freedom THEN change your mind.
>>150450200In the same way that it makes no sense because you have to pick the opposite sex and settle down in order to have a family and have someone to support you in your old age, Gargoyles mate for life. He can't be into some dude and then wait maybe i'm also into some chick. You're gonna be with ONE for life, and if it's not a girl, your genes are donion rings. Which, given what a weird little shriveled squirrel thing you are, is maybe for the best? But that's not a decision anyone should make for you.
>>150450791Greg actually had tons of his own spinoff stories all written up and ready to be greenlit. Two of them so far have been made into comics.
>>150443680>This guy would've hit modern day internet fandom the way crack hit the black communityI hate that you're not even wrong. Puck would absolutely be a tumblr sexyman. 100%. Fuck.
>>150450945>Gays don't exist until thinking and doing gay thingsEye-opening. Just as straight people.
>>150443680He's basically Astarion from Baldur's Gate 3 so you're not wrong
>>150444354>>150444770Yeah Fox and Xanatos story was great. Also groups that used to be at each others' throats coming together to help em protect their baby from the lord of all faekind was cool
>>150451322I mean.. no? nothing has to change in you. the default state, you will become straight as soon as puberty starts. or in my case, significantly beforehand.You do understand how like, wiring works, right? why we wouldn't be here if it didn't.
>>150451366IWILLNOTBEDENIEEED
How many people you think on twtter would justify or sympathize with this crazy bint?
>>150451606Dangerously high.
>>150451606I will NOT stop simping for evil women!
>>150451465Oberon was fascinating. to see such an ancient being, yet one so utterly disconnected from reality that in many ways, he's like a spoiled child. but clearly isn't. Isn't played for a joke, doesn't throw tantrums, just .. he's so alien, as the king of the fairies should be. and Titania HAS been living around people, so she has perspective to teach him. He lords over her, but still respects her input and has things to learn from her.
>>150451379>he doesn’t know what that anon actually saidkek keep at it man
>>150451465>Oberon does not compromise...HE COMMANDS!
>>150451034Oh yeah I forgot about those. I think those were gonna be shows but were canceled due to the person that green lit them was gone.
>>150451896pardon me for not understanding made-up stuff.
>>150454040oh I forgot to mentionafter Greg did his best but ultimately failed to give them 65 episodes for season 2, he was demotedhe wrote one episode then decided fuck you guys, i'm out
>>150444576There was also Jonathan Frakes in the show too, and I think even more TNG actors.
>>150443680He looks like the average douchebag fuckboy from an otome game.
>>150455198in all there's easily a dozen trek actors, more if you count people who've BEEN in Trek but only once or twice. Uhura was Elisa's mom!
>>150443831Good enough
>>150451606If it came out today, what would happen is she'd get a huge fanbase then they'd make her "good" somehow. Harley Quinn-ification, same as what happened to Jinx.Crazy bitches can't be bitches anymore.
>>150455734have you read the Demona spinoff comic?it takes place in like 1200 AD and it's just about the most 2020s thing in Gargoyles YET.>Cute naive girl sidekick>Lesbogoyles>Demona has a soft side? maybe..
>>150455198Jonathan Frakes was Xanatos, Marina Sirtis was Demona, Brent Spiner was Puck, Kate Mulgrew was Titania, Michael Dorn was Coldstone. I feel like there were more but those are the only ones I can remember off the top of my head.
>>150455888Avery Brooks was Nokkar. LeVar Burton was Anansi (and random thug #5). Nichelle Nichols was Diane Maza.and they WANTED Patrick Stewart as MacBeth, but his people asked for too much money. Frakes and Sirtis offered to go talk to him, but Greg wisely said you really shouldn't mix business and friendship like that. Like what if he hates doing it? He would have been fucking amazing, but instead John Rhys-Davies knocked that out of the park, and he was Leonardo da Vinci on Voyager
>>150443680I blame this guy gave for my fetish for serious glasses men
>>150455790Latest issue shows there’s already a rift between Demona and her daughteru. She’s realizing Demona’s a deranged hypocrite and that’ll probably grow when she ages and wants to be with a mate and Demona won’t allow for that.
>>150457135what did he do that was so significant? he was just doin his job. usually for something to 'give you your fetish' it has to have some special aspect to it, not just be 'a guy'
>>150457548There was that time he dunked his arm in the petrification pot without even flinching. That was pretty cool. He was top tier competent help
>>150457548If I think about it it was probably the fact he was just a fake identity made to seal an fae imp, but heaven knows I'm really into megane now and it's most likely his fault.
>>150457729oh okay. fair.>>150458135I just don't see how it'd be HIMthat's like "the front door to the house gave me such a fetish for house front doors" like you've never seen one before
>>150458586It just happens like that. There's no deeper meaning.
>>150456095I gotta ask why does the show have so many actors from Star Trek?
>>150458799two auditioned, then they told their friends how fun it was, how well-written it is..
>Demona mini-series>Two Fantastic Four crossovers>Darkwing Duck crossover mini-series>ANOTHER Winter SpecialWhen will the comics actually continue the main story?
>>150445244BWAAAAAAAM BAMP BAMP BAMP BAMP BAAAM BAMPBAMBAAAM
>>150451465THIS ALTERCATION IS OVER!!!
>>150456095I don't think Stewart would have made a good Macbeth but I've always thought he would have an amazing Oberon and would have probably jumped at the chance to do it if Marina or Frakes asked
>>150443680I 100% guarantee that people on tumblr would make art of Puck wanting to fuck Xanatos, but Xanatos insists that he turns into Owen first.
>>150459990oh hell yeah.. oberon would have worked
>>150443680cutie
>>150457135Jeff Bennett's one of those VAs that doesn't dub anime yet really can pull off the aloof bishonen voice quite well like between Owen or Transformers Animated's Prowl.
>>150458799happy accident.
>>150443712yep
I wish there was more art of office lady Dominique
>>150459412Dynamite loves doing gimmicks like that. They don’t do ongoings often. Thundercats is an exception and even that has 10 spin-offs and one-shots.
