>>150447705I haven't cared in years.
Do you guys think if Avengers Dissembled or Civil War 1 never happened would marvel be better nowadays?
>>150447705That's not what this says, schizo schizo.
>>150448445I think Civil War 1 leads into more issues as spidermans the entire victim of Civil wars aftermath
I never read them
>>150447705Marvel only hates their fans, I've never been a fan.
>>150448445At least we might have had a few more decent comics from before 2010 to read.Hell, since didldio admitted to copying Marvel's retardation, even DC might have not gotten so bad.
How is this news, anywhere? This is the most basic example of outrage marketing.FML I even wrote my Bachelor's Thesis on the subject (Bud Light as a failure, Barbie as a control group, Hannah Pearl Davis as a succesful example), how is 4chan finding out about this in 2025?This is marketing 101, shit people have been doing this since the 1920s ("cigarettes are totally feminist ladies light up for your rights n shiet")
>>150448962I thought Bud Light failed because people boycotted and drank other beers and realized that beer doesn’t have to hurt
>>150447705That's why I don't buy whole sale anymore.
>>150447705Reminder they did this so often that it did eventually turn to apathy
>>150448962>Hannah Pearl Davis as a succesful exampleHow so?
>>150449455The problem is that audiences are complete idiots and flock back the minute it turns. They can just make wholesomerino Spider-Man and retards will come back and read it.
>>150449518It dependsIf you pull the rug too many times it has disastrous consequencesRebirth actually got audiences interested while Bendis-era DC drove away the audience in such a way things haven't fully recovered till the Absolute line launch, and even then that success didn't exactly spill over to the rest of the line
>>150449290They failed because they thought people who can afford better beer would actually want to drink bud light. There are multiple sets of consumer data that indicate, alongside then VP of Marketing's own statements, Alyssa Heinerscheid, that the mass majority of people who drink bud light drink it because it's dirt cheap and gets you drunk. As poor people who are alcoholics in the US are generally going to hold more conservative views, marketing bud light to urban gays/allies is like trying to market a Lada to Ronald Reagan.I'm currently getting hammered with my buddies (Euro time zone) but I'll send some sources tomorrow morning if the thread is still up>>150449507Hannah Pearl Davis, alongside women in the manosphere subculture, enjoy benefiting off a phenomenon comparable to tokenism. Imagine this. If a black guy says black people are cringe, it's more psychologically likely that people are going to think that he is speaking from a place of truth, rather than self-hatred or being a grifter, because why would a black guy hate himself, rather than share his true beliefs grounded in fact? That's why at the time (March 2024) Davis had more subscribers than Fresh and Fit. She seemed more credible than Fresh and Fit, as she spoke about women being lame while being a woman. Plus, there's the novelty behind it, like Uncle Ruckus.
>>150447705Okay, but it's not like DC is any better, I don't think this is just a Marvel thing.
>>150447705WWE works on the same principle. The fans are losers and want to stay upset, they just don't know it. Especially if the stories don't end, cool moments that serve as crowd pleasers serve as jumping off points. You don't have Cyclops and Jean Grey get married, you have Magneto crash the wedding and run amok. Something is always happening, the something is usually bad, join us next time to find out what happens.
>>150449925The difference is that DC actually feels the consequences for constant rage-baiting.
>>150449881>Hannah Pearl Davis, alongside women in the manosphere subculture, enjoy benefiting off a phenomenon comparable to tokenism. Imagine this. If a black guy says black people are cringe, it's more psychologically likely that people are going to think that he is speaking from a place of truth, rather than self-hatred or being a grifter, because why would a black guy hate himself, rather than share his true beliefs grounded in fact? That's why at the time (March 2024) Davis had more subscribers than Fresh and Fit. She seemed more credible than Fresh and Fit, as she spoke about women being lame while being a woman. Plus, there's the novelty behind it, like Uncle Ruckus.The equivalent for this would be if in comics some Marvel writer and/or editor outright said that the 2010s era was cringe.
>>150450020Wasn't WWE in decline for a while?
>>150450298Well, how does Marvel get away with it?
>>150450298I do believe Brevoort and the rest of Marvel also feels the consequences, they just don't care
>>150450457Nobody knows for sure. They definitely do feel some consequences. Secret Empire and a string of other bad PR moves resulted in Disney having to step in and do damage control and Alonso getting pushed out
>>150449518And yet, they don't and just celebrate when sales peek out of the toilet occasionally.
>>150450457Protip: they don't>>150448962>how is 4chan finding out about this in 2025?OP even said "reminder". This gets brought up every time brevoort's name comes up, for several years now.
>>150447705So that's why keep making stupid shit like Paul cucking Perter and MJ being the All New Venom
>>150447705Not me...
>>150448962the only news is how new you are
And people keep talking about the latest Spider-Man
>>150447705The feeling is mutual
>>150457275Do they? The ASM thread is always a fight between the same two guys and I just assume it's Marvel interns artificially inflating the post count to make it look like people are talking about ASM
>>150458580Could be, you're right.
>>150452941you too
>>150448962Just wondering, but did your paper conclude it's a viable marketing strategy? During the last few years, I've stopped watching any media that tries to seek attention by deliberately pissing off its target audience. Resorting to outrage marketing is such an old, shitty stunt at this point. I have no patience for it anymore. Of course, I'm only one person. But my understanding is that there are a lot more people like me around. Even if outrage marketing might create temporary spikes of interest, my belief is that overusing it will hurt the company in the long run.
>>150449881Generally for alcoholics beer is the delivery system, they're adding cheap spirits to it to make it strong enough to matter. No serious drinker is getting blitzed on Bud Light alone. Bud Light's core audience isn't men who care about beer, the entire concept is a low carb diet alcoholic soft drink that must have originally been intended to try and break into the female demographic. Selling a low carb diet 'beer' to men is a doomed enterprise. And then drunks realised you could drink more of it by volume as the low carb's made you less full, they can add sprits to make it stronger and if you're doing that who cares that it doesn't even qualify as Beer by international standards.
>>150448445>Do you guys think if Avengers Dissembled or Civil War 1 never happened would marvel be better nowadays?For the Avengers side of Marvel, Disassembled is absolutely the point of no return, though you could choose earlier points for certain characters, in some cases going a lot further back. For Spider-Man, OMD is the point of no return. For X-Men, people point to House of M/Decimation, but the earlier Morrison/Casey era was the point where X-Men just stops playing ball with the rest of the shared universe and tries to completely redefine mutants, you'd have to go back to before that to actually fix things.With hindsight, the very existence of the Ultimate Marvel line also ended up having a negative effect on 616 Marvel, from introducing ideas that got copied and normalized, or just from the founding writers of Ultimate all moving over to 616 and the stuff they did.>>150450020Even the people running WWE understand that the audience needs to get to see the heroes getting a big win at the end and then moving on to a new storyline, you can't just have the bad guys win every time, and you can't just derail a long term storyline that fans are invested in because The Rock wants to come back.
>>150450655Marvel and DC both have rich parent companies that aren't really paying any attention to what they're doing at all, so long as they can keep using them as IP factories for things that actually reach a wider audience, like movies, TV shows, cartoons, games, etc. Comics sales are so low that the industry is slowly dying, but Warner and Disney don't care about trying to turn the comics industry around, they just care about owning the characters and being able to do more profitable things with them.So when Marvel or DC do things deliberately intended to make comics readers mad, they can get away with it 99% of the time because their corporate bosses aren't paying attention and wouldn't care anyway, and nobody outside of comics cares that the nerds who read them are mad. It's only things like Hydra Cap that somehow blew up with normies and threatened to devalue the property where Disney felt the need to step in and do something.
>>150447705>superhero comics have been bleeding readers for decades>not out problemPeople USED TO CARE about comics. Some people still do
This take from Brevoort is from over a decade ago, the market has changed and their strategy has changed a bit with it.
>>150447705Ultimate Spider-Man (2025) outsold Post-OMD Spider-Man. Tom's ideas and opinions are shit and don't mean anything anymore. He needs to kill himself. No wife, no children, no hair, no money.
>>150462367And Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) outsold Amazing Spider-Man until The Other and Civil War which was one of the arguments Quesada used for why the marriage had to go. It's just a flash in the pan.
>>150462407So by that logic, they should bring the marriage back since another version of Spider-Man is outselling the current one. Nice try, Marvel shill.
>>150462132He hasn't, thoughAlso mainline ASM can only be fixed if Sony loses the rights to the character since the current editorial mandates are to help preserve synergy with Sony's Spider-Man films and universeOMD/BND happened right between Spider-Man 3 and TASM, meaning it was the perfect period for them to wipe the slate clean and ensure it was easy for Sony to adapt
