Is John K a good artist?
>>150453407Yeah. His weirdo Picasso phase isn't for everyone but he's really good with marker and has a solid understanding of shape and composition.
>>150453407He was. Not so much anymore.
>>150453407No. He’s always been overrated.
>>150453545Stfu
>>150453407>>150453545I don’t think he’s a bad artist, but I’ve always preferred the art from the other artists at SpumcoIt’s also very clear how John Ks art degraded overtime.
John Ks newer art looks fine, most of the time at least.His newer animations on the other hand fucking suck, they look a lot better in storyboards/layouts, he manages to fuck up translating them into animationThis particular layout here was done by Jim Smith and even it looks like shit in the final product
>>150455073Riccardi and Destefano are such unsung talents within recent animation history. You never hear anybody talk about those two, but they're everywhere.
>>150453407He's incredibly good at his style.Unfortunately, his style is hideous.If John K. stuck to being a caricaturist, he'd be one of the greatest.
>>150455202Heck, Unicorn Warriors Eternal was basically entirely in his style.What I find most surprising is that he boarded some episodes of Drawn Together, and said episodes he boarded had far more expressive animation than normally.
>>150455204Grow a pair
he is great
>>150455412Damn how have I not considered this obvious pairing before. John K if he wasn't a creep and loser now would have made a pretty good guy to helm a Super Meat Boy or Issac cartoon. Edmund would probably share a lot of the same sentiments but he would probably hate John K's more conservative outlook on other things. An interesting split between boomers and gen x.
>>150455463I think Edmund isn't the type to stray away from weirdos, in fact in think he's the opposite, he'd probably collab with weirdoes because he thinks it's funny. I remember he wanted to keep the chris chan card artwork for four souls a year or two after the barbara incident but the twitter moralfag police beraded him not to do so.
>>150455613Last I remember how Edmund is like and how he included Jill from Mighty Jill Off, he seems more liberal to me. Modern liberal in comparison to John K. Didn't know he knew about Chris Chan. Edmund might just see some humanity within Chris Chan and find that even though he's a bad person he still finds keeping something from Chris Chan is funny and fits his background as being on Newgrounds. But John K was always difficult to work with and sounds like he would personally berate you kinda like Mort Weisenger but then he would act nice like how 90's libs were raised by strict boomer parents so they wanted to be nicer than them but still have some type of neuroticism to them and some mental issues.Edmund had to deal with his mother and religion so dealing with another crazy like John K would probably end badly. Unless Edmund just kept him at a distance or something. But yeah I dunno I vaguely remember Edmund was a bit of a perfectionist as well so he might have let John take forever.
>>150455073The more I learn about how the other artists drew his characters the more clear it becomes John K was being carried by his crew. I think the guy is good as a animation director to push other people to make stronger drawings, but he really needs other people to make his ideas good when it comes to creating stories and shows.His producer asking for the show to be about the cat and dog he concepted instead of George Liquor like he originally intended did the best fucking thing ever for him and he likely never fully grasped why.
>>150455759I was reading a Reddit AMA a few days ago when I realized the biggest flaw with John’s art: He can’t draw realisticallyIt’s always important for an artist to learn the rules before they bend or break them, when it looks like John just hopped into replicating the Clampett style before learning the basics in art, and this remained the case with his art for years. In some of his newer doodles it does look like he’s been practicing caricatures that look a bit more realistic, but even they aren’t that great, just like John’s other current art.
I think he took exaggeration to such an extreme that it becomes unappealing.
>>150453407not really, but he's bad for the opposite reason my man butch and genndy are
>>150453407Yes, he's a great artist, even if his newer stuff doesn't always appeal. On top of that, he understands art well enough that he's good at teaching other artists how to improve.
>>150456647Well in that specific case the exaggeration makes sense, that's what the happy helmet does
>>150453407My take on John K. is that he is, objectively speaking, a great artist but a bad animator. John undeniably knows his shit about art and cartoon but he's incredibly autistic about his work and what others do.
>>150453407However good an artist you think he is, I think we can all agree he cannot animate for shit anymore. Cans Without Labels was like 90% his handiwork, and WOOF.
As much as I love his work, it's funny how his issues with deadlines were there since even before Ren & Stimpy.https://www.artofthetitle.com/title/troop-beverly-hills/>The team for this one was a little bigger than for your previous sequences, right? You had John Kricfalusi, Jon McClenahan, Jim Smith...>At that moment, we had a lot going on in the studio. But I wanted to do the job, and I was looking for a way to make it look fresh and different from other things we had done. I had known John Kricfalusi for a while. He was really a talented guy. I think he had just gotten fired from a project [laughs], which was always happening to him. So he was free, and I said to him, “How’d you like to come in and design this title sequence?” John said, “I’ll do more than that, I could bring in a couple other people. I could bring in a background painter, a designer, an animation guy to really help you out.” I said that’d be great, so he did that. And believe me, it had its good and its bad points! [laughs]>[laughs] Tell me more about that! Did you have to rein anybody in?>Yeah, you know, I discovered John’s trademark. He just said, ”Let me go off and don’t bother me.” He really wants to do it his way, and he doesn’t want to have to work under schedules or timing. He’s pretty demanding that way! I mean, the initial work he did was really great, and I liked it.
>>150460443>I thought, this is great, we’re gonna get this done ahead of schedule. And then I come back a week later, and all of a sudden there’s all new scenes! And I say, “What’s going on?” And John says, “Oh, I gotta keep trying, I gotta try something different.” He could never make a decision, you know? He never wanted to let anything go. He can’t stop and say, “Let’s go with that.” That became the trademark when working with Kricfalusi. It became kind of a running joke. The only way he was happy was if you’d hand him the money and then go away. He’d say, “I’ll call you when I’m ready to show you something,” which is okay if you have a lot of money but if you’re working on a budget and you also have a movie coming out, and the movie has a release date, and they need the titles, well, it doesn’t work that way. We got jammed up, because it was hard to get John to make a decision. So because of that we got into a real jam on the production side, it became tight for us and we made some really silly mistakes that to this day I feel bad about. >But everything he did was really cool! I liked all the designs, and I liked John a lot, I’ve always liked him a lot.
>>150453407never liked these caricatures
>>150455759You have a pedophilic public school mentality of forcing the people with actual talent to do what you want, inspired by them having to coexist with people who can't grasp their perspective in public school.>>150460443>>150460455Seems inspired by the traumatic experience of drawing soulless TV animation for decades and wanting to be actually creative like in the Golden Age.
>>150455073Nick Cross the fucking best
>>150453407No
