What the fuck was his problem?>lel sinners can't get redmed srry>i liek exterminating 'em just cuz of it>nioo you can't beat me up y'all should be worshipping me>lilith shoulda served me a kebabI don't understand his antagonism
>>150462361He's shallow, just like every other Hellaverse character, they appeal only for surface-level clout and edgy zoomers
>>150462361>>lel sinners can't get redmed srryThey had their chance in life and rejected it.>>i liek exterminating 'em just cuz of itNothing wrong with annihilation, his problem was that he did it early ahead of the end times
>>150462376He should atleast appear solemn about it instead of acting like a narcissistic frat boy entitled to admiration
>>150462361He's a bully. He laughs when he hurts others and howls when others hurt him.
>>150462381Yeah but this vizzie writing, cannonically everyone acts like that for some reason
>>150462392Actually, not really. It's just Adam and the Exorcists who act like that, and the whole point is that they aren't much better than the demons. Saint Peter and Emily are genuinely well-intentioned, Sera at least believes that she's doing what's best, and most people in Heaven didn't even know about the annual Exterminations until Adam himself blurted it out.
>>150462387this >>150462372every vivzie character appear like a grinning buffoon for some reason
>>150462410>It's just Adam and the Exorcists who act like thatPretty much, Heaven is full of nice people, but people will overlook that, focus solely on Adam&Co, and say "yeah, all of heaven is evil, I hate their arrogance!"
>>150462368KEK EVERY FUCKING THREAD LMAO>>150462361Anon it's simple, Viv can't write an actually compelling villain and just wants gay demon shipping with Tumblr sexyman characters, she's a what do you people call it... "Fujo?" Basically a yaoi fanHere's my version of Adam:>Adam is a tired and depressed "observer" of humanity >He has seen the absolute worst, wars, slavery, genocide, human trafficking, etc.. you get the gist>Basically has zero hope for mankind>Gets annoyed and fed up at Charlie for reasoning with these sinners>Gives her an example of a kidnapper who harvested the kidneys of a young boy and asked if he would be redeemed>Tells her hell is most likely filled with people like that or worse>Charlie is stunned by this reality check, for a moment her naivety is shattered>Adam immediately sends her home when she can't answer shitI got bored not continuing this. but yeah there you go
>>150462412meant for >>150462392
>>150462412That makes sense too when you think about it. Most demons in Hell are animal-people, baring teeth is a common show of aggression in many species of animal, and Hell is a place where aggression is encouraged. Everyone wants to look like a bad motherfucker so no one fucks with them.
>>150462427Interesting version, however I would clarify he would need to bring a sinner up from hell itself as technically anyone can be redeemed before reaching hell.
Charlie unironically want to make Hell more like Earth by introducing moral ambivalence and relativism to defy the finality the afterlife is known forShe's diluting the very purpose of the afterlife itself
>>150462456now you understand why she's the anti-christ, she want to collapse the cosmic order of the world
>>150462427I like this version more, but Viv can't write shit and her entire brand is literally just this one word SAFE EDGY she don't have the guts to actually tackle topics like human trafficking, see ready or not, that game is peak but I think it's getting censored now >>150462452I don't really know how you would be redeemed from harvesting the organs of a young child but yeah sure
>>150462361Shitty writing.
>>150462526>I don't really know how you would be redeemed from harvesting the organs of a young child but yeah sureThrough christ. It sounds fucked up, but there is acrually a lot of hoops. First you accept christ, then you repent. But to repent you have to go through the process of changing fundamentally how you see past sins and feel genuine guilt as well as remorse AND pay for your crimes by the law of the land. Once you have done that, and only that, you can be redeemed. But again, you need to undergo a genuine transformation, it's not a ritual you can pay lip service too.
>>150462621Idk anon, some things are just truly irredeemable
>>150462793So does that mean Charlie shouldn't be trying to redeem anyone?
>>150462368shreks getting dragged to the pit of asphalt
>>150462361Vizie is an American Christian born and raised meaning she's completely ignorant about the actual abrahamic mythology and only knows the pop culture version of Paradise Lost and the inferno of Dante's divine comedy.
>>150462793Absolutely, it's not on us to forgive them. If we can, it's an incredible act of grace, but we are not forced to forgive those who act like monsters. But while we personally can't forgive such a person, that does not mean they can't be redeemed and be forgiven by God himself for their sins.>Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.>Kill them, for the Lord knows those that are HisAgain, they must pay for their crimes, even if they repent they must be punished. So a organ harvester would be put to death for instance even if he repents.
>>150462427Lol Viv could never, she relies on being safe edgy, basically her strategy boils down to making the characters swear a lot to justify it being an adult cartoon, then now she has an excuse to make sex jokes and combine that with gay shipping, and I saw the teaser for season 2 and she really is leaning on that huskxangeldust shit? As if pentiousxcherri wasn't bad enough, this show really is just shipping wars
i think both Alastor and Vox are absolutely cringe
>>150463100sex would fix them both
>>150462427Adam actually having a reason as to why he does what he does beside "STRAIGHT MEN ARE BAD" !????!??!? Yeah right, this is vivslop anon, get used to it
problem is that people often project their own moral authority into God, believing that God is always siding with their own personal sense of right and wrongit's human egotism pretty much
When is he gonna get humiliated?
>>150462361Easily a more based character than the other women hating dipshit in white
>>150463438>Show implies Lucifer is both the king of hell and the sin of pride Genuinely where the fuck is Viv even going with this, his character does not show any of that at all, the guy is just autistic af in love with rubber ducks like he is fucking Timmy turner's dad, there's not even a hint of that characterization other than "oh he's Lucifer that means he's gotta be the most powerful in hell" idk man why do I even follow this show.... oh wait yeah I wanna see the Trainwreck for myself
>>150462427I will keep saying it, the show just introduced the characters and the real quality stuff is reserved exclusively for fanfics and fancomics.
>>150463438>>150463897the fact that we'll never get an actual serious moment of him and see the actual fall in wonderful detail infuriates me...so much potential and it is wasted like that.
>>150463940we might not even get a comfy yet magical moment nor a good singer for lilith.shit we may never even get to see her and lucifer being the problem in heaven as adam just simply lashes out at bullshit, imagine adam being a reasonable and chill dude in eden but through their eyes they saw a controlling bad man or having everything bad that happened to adam slowly deteriorate him until insanity took over, making his death a mercy kill.
I don't get it, how is Adam the first man if Lucifer existed before him?
>>150463973hellaverse should be considered the ultimate greek tragedy of waste potential and should had never been put in the hands on viv, you faggots can't imagine or fathom just how much this show could have offered.
>>150464000make your own hellaverse spin-off then, retardoh wait, you can't, you're stuck complaining on this fringe website while vivziequeen makes more money per year than you'll ever gain in your life
>>150463991first man = human whereas lucifer = seraphim/aka non-human.>>150464000for all the newbies, just watch the show once to get the introduction to the characters and then go to fan content for actually good stuff.otherwise you'll grow disappointed and rightfully angry at viv for throwing the ball so much.
>>150464026>first man = human whereas lucifer = seraphim/aka non-human.I know he's the first human, but the show make it sound like he's the first creature who had a dick, when it's actually lucifer
>>150464014>make your own hellaverse spin-off thenoh I will anon, just like with hilda...it'll just need time to properly execute.
>>150464032I think thats a subtle joke and that adam by the time of the show had gone mad.
>>150464072>adam by the time of the show had gone mad.If only that was actually canon, damn, you know Vivzie would never claim Adam used to be better.
>>150462361Too based for the show.
>>150463897>autistic af in love with rubber ducks like he is fucking Timmy turner's dadActually you're thinking of Hugh Neutron from Jimmy Neutron
>>150464026>lucifer = seraphim/aka non-humanHe wasn't a seraphim, or was this retarded lore written by vizzie?
>>150464014Viv won't fuck you bro
>>150464014>make your own hellaverse spin-off then, retardHonestly I just might at this pointI mean she started a company with just a little butHow hard can it be?
>>150464098Holy shit you're right it's Jimmy neutrons dad that's obsessed with ducks
>>150464079oh I know...which is why the gold mine that was adam was wasted, turning into what he was on the show isn't that surprising considering how lilith and lucifer went the extra mile in destroying directly and indirectly everything adam loved.being the first victim of adultery, having his second wife corrupted in multiple ways, being tricked and lied constantly by everyone, kicked out of eden, having his first born kill his second, having to watch some horrible shit from his children doing to each other, toiling the land and trying his best to survive, losing a lot of loved ones, being used in heaven for a lot of things, forced to kill his children in hell out of a necessity least heaven fall to evil, trying his best and failing, etc...adam is tragic and viv hasn't realized it.
>>150463915Bethesda philosophy right hereLaunch the gameLet the modders fix itBut instead of game, it's a show, and instead of mods, it's fanficsWhat an actual waste of potential because unlike a game that can bounce back from that, a bad show with bad writing will always stay that way because it's not interactive, and fanfics generally have a bad rep
>>150464014>>150464162>motherfucker forgot about the whole snoot game by saying the exact same thing.maybe we should...btfo viv at her own game will force her to do better or crumble.
>>150462427This but keep Adam the way he is in the show because acting like that was the only way he could cope for seeing the absolute depths of humanityMake it be a big reveal in season 2, could have been a huge plot point, shattering Charlie's naive view of the world etc etcBut whatever Viv is writing this so it's already cooked before it even began
>>150464246I would but I would need to know the plan going into itAlso I'd prefer to make a rip off that can stand on it's own instead of a fan thing
I wonder how would Nephilim and Cambions fit into Hellaverse's lore, considering they require mortals copulating with angels or demons
>>150464223that shit ain't missing on any of us...this show NEEDS a comic that doesn't have viv influence on it, a offshot and perhaps a chance to continue the pilot and make it a different timeline.its the only fucking way at this point.
>>150464264the kolbrin and the book of enoch fits like a glove then...far more extensive than even the bible itself and a rare book talking about the very origins of humanity.https://archive.ph/dyKFOhttps://archive.ph/DX9Mh
>>150464257I'll add to this, make it so that Adam feels super guilty that humanity turned out like this, we could have gotten foreshadowings where lute has genuine conversation to Adam about humanity and if he still has hope after seeing the worst of the worst that they do to eachotherStating shit like the only thing humanity is good at is making weapons to kill one another efficiently (ICBMs, MIRV) etc...Man we could have had peak
>>150464312I don't know about Kolbin, but I know Enoch is very far removed from the biblical cannon and actually confirmed to be of false authorship.
>>150464325>Do you know what an E.K.V is?>No?>"Exoatmospheric Kill Vehicle", that's what my children call it>You see, my children reached a point of equilibrium many decades ago. They developed weapons that recreate the power of the sun, weapons that move so fast that there was no way for any nation on earth to stop them once released>My children, in their pursuit for bloodshed, created their own hellfire to smite themselves...and you know what it did?>Bring peace>Threatening to wipe themselves out with weapons so powerfull that it could bring forth the end times without God's intervention was what made them put aside global wars. Annihilation>THAT is what it took to bring my children peace. Yet even with that peace it was never enough. They made E.K.Vs. contraptions to outrun their own simulacrums of God's wrath and destroy them. Not to defend themselves, but to ensure nations could kill billions without a drop of blood befalling their own with their own missile strikes>And you wonder why I bring annihilation to a cesspit of such damned souls? Spare the rod, and you spoil souls
>>150464498Adam is Vivzie actually gave him braincells and a conscience beyond "he kill for fun"
>>150464518>is*if
>>150462427>Adam being the first man of god was used to seeing humanity throughout the years, decades and centuries.>Being an observer has its perks but also its drawbacks. Adam has seen both the best and the worst of humanity and it's taken its toll on him.>Adam is a very tired yet still strong individual but a lot of his vigor and hope he once had has withered eons ago.>When Charlie comes to visit and regale him with the idea of redeeming sinners. He admires Charlie's hopefulness and determination but isn't pleased with her naivety.>Adam stands up and informs her the sinners she's wanting to redeeming are in hell for a reason.>Adam's informative speech then turns into a rant. He gives an example of a man who killed children simply for the pleasure of it. Another man who killed anyone for the right price and had no qualms who he killed or why.>Adam even points out her friend Angel Dust. Who simply chooses to be in a cycle of sex and drugs and yet he does nothing to stop or even reduce it and points out how even she hasn't help him out.>Charlie tries to respond but all that comes out is stutters or short utterances before she has to pause to think of an actual answer. Adam cuts her off and continues to rant.>Charlie doesn't even try to respond to Adam anymore. She puts her head down and wipes away some of the tears that are sweeping down her face.>Adam sees this and realized he has said too much and he stops himself. Charlie is now staring at the floor, Adam walks over to her and places his hand on her shoulder.>Charlie looks up at Adam, Charlie's bright smile is gone, replaced with a dull sunken eyed frown.>Adam tries to smile but it doesn't fully manifest. He tells Charlie he's sorry but it's probably best she should return home and maybe never come back here.>Charlie does leave, however unbeknownst to Adam he sparked Charlie with a new idea. >If she can't redeem sinners, maybe she can punish the worst of the worst.
>>150464498>>150464568>>150462427GOD DAMMIT IMAGINE WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN!!! I CANT KEEP READING THIS I JUST GET ANGRY AT THE WASTED POTENTIAL FUCK!
>>150464644Do you want me to repost a Lucyfer green I did?Maybe it'll cheer the thread up a bit.
>>150464568>>If she can't redeem sinners, maybe she can punish the worst of the worst.>charlie turns from a happy-go-lucky girl into a tyrant overnight>becomes even worse than her father ever was>all sinners are hunted down and rounded up>she takes the time to create special ways to torment them based on their deeds in life>hellborn are actually happy with this, as charlie cannot torture all of them by herself and needs their help, which in turn creates jobs>the strongest sinners, the overlords, are just deleted from existence outright, as they are too volatile to safely torture
>>150464687>and she always does her job, her duty.>with a smile.>Doing her best always made her smile.
>>150464726>I don't punish them for the fun of it.>Enjoyement isn't something one considers when bettering hell.>But when done righteously...>Now that, puts a smile on my face.
>>150462361written by a midwitt
>>150464568>>150464687>>150464726>>150464726>SMILE>Though your heart is aching.>SMILE>Even though it's breaking.>SMILE.>When there are are clouds in the sky>You'll get by...>If you.>SMILE>Through your fear and sorrow>SMILE.>And maybe tomorrow>You'll see the sun come shining through>For you...>If you... just ~Smile :)
i wonder how they are going to handle the HH x HB crossovercharlies and blitzos interests are completely opposite to each other, one wants to get people out of hell, the other wants to bring them down into it
>>150464937https://youtu.be/mrEB9UUxT-E?si=-ZyC_LnwSNGPdUqE
>>150462361did you expect something good from viv? she is a tard that believes lilith is a thing in the bible and not a retarded headcanon made by schizosan idiot that drank the "biblical accurate angeks are monsters brooo!" when that is not truea retard in other words
>>150464944Actually it'd work really well if that's the caseBlitzo sends them to hell, they go to Charlie's hotel, they get to heaven I remember anons toying with the idea of Charlie speeding up the death rate on earth so that more people will be able to be redeemed through the hotel
>>150464937https://youtu.be/qH5JwmPWmfI
>>150464970>Blitzo sends them to hell, they go to Charlie's hotel, they get to heavenbut thats stupid, people on earth have the chance to redeem themselves and better their ways, therefore avoiding hell altogether by killing them early all you really do is dooming them to the infernotheir interests do not align at all, although...what if charlie convinced IMP to, instead of working on individual contracts killing people, they work on a state contract to scare people into being good?think about it, IMP go topside, they find the worst people imaginable and they torture them, scare them, threaten them etc into being good people, essentially acting as a wake up call that ”hey, if you keep doing bad shit, you are gonna end up in hell, asshole”that could work, right?
honestly i think the hellborn have it worse than sinners because they literally don't have an afterlife when they die and deal with the brutal hierarchy of hell from the moment of birth
>>150464944Blitzø is capital F Fucked if Charlie finds out what he's been doing.
>>150465617>honestly i think the hellborn have it worse than sinnerswell, yeah, they are considered a lower class than them for a reason, they are literally inferior
>>150465069I think there should of have a time limit, essentially if the redeemed sinner sins again then the soul becomes unstable and annihilates itself.maybe even have more realms than just heaven and hell, like a dream realm and a virtual realm.>>150465629thats actually the best case scenario...if heaven finds out then he will start a war between 2 realms and the greatest massacre of sinners and redeemed sinners in history, singlehandedly destroying charlie's dream and heaven never trusting hell again.charlie will see herself as scum itself but she wouldn't sacrifice her dream for the fuck up of a hellborn, after all dodging responsibility for her actions is in her blood...still charlie will feel like a fraud afterwards and see her dream as a fake reality.and blitzo will be enslaved and brutally tortured by charlie for daring to destroy her fantasy and covering his ass.
>>150464944>>150464970how to unfuck that mess, just have adams death have consequences.he wasn't lying when he said that humanity came from his balls as it was him indirectly making new humans to inhabit the earth, after his death humanity began to have still births as no souls were able to be born anymore as the source is gone forever.death from anyone is now a truly permanent thing and should a sinner or winner die then thats it, they stop existing...now all of humanity, living and dead have a last life, spayed and infertile.unable to bring new life into the world.it'll be a while until everyone realizes that no one new is being born...life will be sacred at long last and everyone will be extremely careful if not paranoid.
>>150462361Lucifer banged his wife, isn't that enough to hate him and his domain?
>>150465883>thats actually the best case scenario...if heaven finds out then he will start a war between 2 realms and the greatest massacre of sinners and redeemed sinners in history, singlehandedly destroying charlie's dream and heaven never trusting hell again.>charlie will see herself as scum itself but she wouldn't sacrifice her dream for the fuck up of a hellborn, after all dodging responsibility for her actions is in her blood...still charlie will feel like a fraud afterwards and see her dream as a fake reality.>and blitzo will be enslaved and brutally tortured by charlie for daring to destroy her fantasy and covering his ass.Blitzø should be grateful that Lucifer couldn't be bothered to show up to the trial because if Lucifer found out that an imp was sabotaging his daughter's mission Blitzø would be MEGA-FUCKED.
>>150462361>first heaven-mandated relationship is a disaster>she runs off with an angel then ruins your life>spend a mortal life as a shitty caveman>then your kids kill each other>probably lose eve too>none of which would have happened if humanity wasn't corrupted>get a chance to indirectly fuck over the people responsibleYou'd do the same
>>150466372calm anger is terrifying, specially if it comes from both adam and lucifer.I imagine if he found out then he would personally pay him a visit.
>>150466439most of us would have been smart about it though, bidding time to screw over them.there is an accidental reason why adam wasn't smart in canon so far, because if he was then he would have gotten revenge and ended the show in season 1.if we were isekai'd in that world as adam, we would conquer creation and bide our time or straight up bring so much chaos that heaven and hell would unite to stop us.giving anyone of us the wheel for 5 minutes would be enough.
>>150465883Charlie's eyes look so fucking weird here, ugly face
>>150466654blame the westaboo for that one, don't mix anime with viv style.
>worried about war with hell>decide best solution is kill demons behind heaven's back>create army of angels for this purpose and give them free will>make notorious lazy big-mouthed dumbass the leader of this covert operation>what could go wrong?>turns out it's everything>your operation gets exposed to heaven while hell starts killing angels>plus it turns out sinners can be redeemed>immediately try to save face by doing a 180 and advocating for sinners>killer angel you created gets mad about your 180 and the dead angels>tell her to stfu, why's she got to be so bloodthirsty?>it's not like she'll go rogue like one already hasName one character who's done more to fuck everything up than Sera
>>150466857Not really seras fault now is it? She's merely a product of the writing... Which is ass
>>150465965>adam is the giver of life>his seed is the source of all souls>from him comes humanity in a literal sense>adam dying means cutting off the very source of life from humanity>humanity is now infertile and unable to reproduce>human souls are now more vulnerable and fragile than usual>sinners and overlords are glass cannons with 1 life left to spare>winners are now more exhausted and their lights dulled>reproduction and stillbirths become the norm across creation>death now is firmly permanent on humanity and on anyone that was connected to adam in any way, shape or form>in just a few years hell and earth is heavily underpopulated>human life becomes precious and invaluable at long last>humanity is facing true extinction yet at long last peace had been made>the evil humans wiped themselves out>the good ones live quiet lives yet saddened over the abrupt end>every time a sinner or human dies charlie becomes more unhinged due to a soul that could be redeemed had been lost forever
>>150462361Adam, just like Lute, did nothing wrong. It was Lucifer to blame for all of this. If he hadn't introduced Sin to Eve, none of this would've happened!
>What we need is Adam on horseback while Lute takes shots at Charlie and Vaggie from a revolver carbine shooting 40-70.>Lutes dressed up as a cow girl with tight black pants, a gray tunic, and long white sleeves beneath. >Adam kinda looks like that guy from Dark Watch, but more gray and fat.>They ride an angelic steed they call Stompy.>Sera is letting the two of them indulge this western fantasy ever since The Duke got up there.
>>150466971>killing adam had horrible consequences for creation>his body is now permanently lost by now and nothing remains>heaven and hell now must do something to bring him back>emily and charlie slowly start to go yandere over human souls>emily becomes overprotective and showing signs of mommy dearest>emily goes apeshit if a winner so much as sneezes or trip>charlie becomes obsessive possessive over sinners>every time one dies makes her go absolutely bananas>lute is on suicide watch>the exorcist are depressed>sera looks like a grandma due to both stress and silent desperation>lucifer finally realizes that he fucked up and his loved ones are losing their minds over his hand in killing adam>lilith is angry and for the first time mourning adam as only now she realizes how important he was>eve sanity is shattered and now the most dangerous thing in creation>cain is on the background plotting revenge>abel is trying his best in keeping everything together and stressing himself over it>restoring adam is now a must less this begins to spread to all living things
>>150466857Don't forget, her actions lead to the FIRST MAN, the very first being created by divine hands of the Lord, to die - again! He's gone! Kaput! Ziltch! He's with the Moab in the Pleroma now!
>>150462361Adam/Charlie would 've been peak. But vivzie is too much of a fujo/yuritard to see it.Also read "God says feelings are for pussies" on AO3.
>>150466971>At first some of the higher hellborn seemed pleased but the consequences of Charlie's naive stupidity began to manifest.>Less humans and less of their souls means no one to worship, placate and no one to even think of them.>They start to loose their power and influence.>Goetian magic is less potent, their strength is weakened.>The overlords are still powerful but are glass cannons at this point.>Even Lucifer has seen the drawbacks of Adam's death.>He feels weaker and less energetic than he once was.>Even the simple act of levitation requires more effort.>Riots begin across hell. Imps and Hellhounds begin going after the higher social classes and even each other.>The Sins are all in a panic but can't do much as they too were affected.>Paimon, The Sins and other fallen angels meet with Lucifer.>They are absolutely livid, mostly at his daughter for starting this upheaval.>Neither party are willing to budge but nor are they willing to act.>Cause one misstep means it's all over for them.>Charlie hasn't been seen since the chaos started.>She isolated herself away from everyone including Vagatha.
>adam dying has repercussions on the whole human racethis makes sense and all, but why would it affect the angels and hellborn?the angels, at least, existed before adam, hell, they MADE him in lore, couldnt they just make another new man and start the process all over again?
>>150467559they wouldn't affect them directly but every single person related to adam would be at risk of extinction as they can't reproduce anymore and are more frail as a result, therefore winners in heaven had become invaluable and also at risk due to sinners coming up to heaven as redeemed.trust would be at an all time low.also yeah they could, imagine how hilarious it'll be when it does nothing and they just made a human through angelic means, it wouldn't restore anything at all as it is a new person and not the first man, think of it as adam becoming important over the years and becoming linked with life itself after reaching heaven...essentially the angels will have to watch humanity going extinct and also they would not create another man for the morningstars to ruin.lilith is enjoying heaven despite never deserving that, both charlie and lucifer are guilty of adam's death.so TL;DR they would be indirectly affected and every single human soul is fucked in this scenario.
>>150467213>>150467496>Souls start to become some form of currency, as having a human soul and/or faith on your side meant having some of your strenght back>Soul Contracts and Blood Pacts, even amongts the heavenly legions, start to emerge.>But still, either by greed, desperation, or both, some wanted more.>They decided to open the "Emergency book" and break the metaphorical glass.>One of the sacred ancient seals was broken.>Now angels and demons could consume a human soul in order to regain full strenght although only temporaliy>This seemed like a decent solution at first, at least to mantain the order, keeping those powerful still in charge and that sort of thing.>But it came with a cost, now that souls could be burned like a candle, they lost their ethernal immortality.>Souls now grew old, loosing strenght, until they vanished back into the nothing.>The second people found out about this, panic erupted, they were not only living a crisis, they were in borrowed time, when the last soul vanished, that was it, darkness will consume it all.>Finally some grew tired of waiting for humans to die, tired of trying to catch the souls that leaked, when there was a planet full of them, ripe for the taking.>The Gates of the Depths opened, and from there, legions of demons came through, ready to take away all the souls they could find, were they were willing or not.>Heaven too opened the gates and the holy armies descended, in part to stop the invasion, in part to also take as manny souls as they could.>But humans, with this new discovered soul power that burned through their beings, saw the desperation and selfish reasons behind both sides, and manny resisted. >The battle of the three planes devastated the earth, as they all fought to a standstill where all became too weakened to fight, now the survivors, living in the ruins of their dying empires, still, fighting, living and dying, trying to survive in these last days.
>>150467559Think of cutting the oldest tree in the world and realize that in doing so you brought an entire ecosystem into extinction and that adam was literally the pillar of life keeping the human race going spiritually and that by killing him they indirectly killed humanity as a wholePlanting a new seed is good and all but it won't work as adam became such a thing after millennia and delivered life aka new souls to humanity and with him gone then there are no new humans anymoreSo angels will have to wait until humanity goes extinct and make a special space for adam's descendants in heaven as you would with a race extinct in the wild before starting again and yet they would be paranoid since they know those motherfuckers in hell will ruin it in some way or form and it will be a complicated manner which charlie will get a lot of shit for
>>150467559>this makes senseOnly if Adam is a goddamn vampire.
>>150468029>adam's death indirectly causes the end of the world>only his return can stop the madness that plagues the world>adam face when from the beyond he witness this sad sight
>>150466971>>150467213>>150467496https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvdscgWK8gMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsaLWlqhla4
>and then Jesus returns
>>150468174https://youtu.be/JEfBobefjvMhttps://youtu.be/vM3HKEHdN-khttps://youtu.be/N2aIg5NVPVohttps://youtu.be/kjcBgl40dGQ
>>150468048it only affected hellborns and angels indirectly due humanity impending extinction and sudden shift in power as the thing that allowed them to go on in this scenario is gone and getting exponentially worse for themperfect farm for content and drama as charlie in this specific cirscumtance fulfilled her role as the antichrist and brought the end of the world
>>150468234Motherfucker, does your entire family die when your grandfather dies?
>>150468201his theme would be this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skqccFjMaqAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFTKhWDaDO8the restorer of light.>>150468230not bad though for the humans would be this ones, after all is just like in the last days of noah.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIPM-xgCfIMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYriP7-q0Rwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYMyWErYLfohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrktGkr_gj8
New chapter of the Cain fic>Sins of the firstbornarchiveofourown...org/works/67189699/chapters/185003986Please Enjoy
>>150468368nope, but in this scenario adam being the pillar and literal source of every single human alive would make him a literal pillar for humanity which his continued existence deliver new souls for humanity to continue prospering, a literal life giver and maybe more due to him being an angel for so long and the human race so numerous.him dying means no more new souls and thus every birth is a still birth as there is no longer a soul inside.its a domino effect and a way for consequences to arise.so learn to read more than 3 lines alright and polish that reading comprehension.
>>150468474I'm sorry, but that just sounds dumb as fuck. Wouldn't Adam have brought it up at some point?
Wouldn't humanity's ability to reproduce come from, you know, God and not another human?
>>150468520is a hypothetical scenario and also the beauty of it would be him being unaware of it or subsconsciously aware, he did say everyone came from his nuts.anyhow the extinction of humanity caused by the death of adam would be a funny yet tragic joke.
>>150468605a funny failsafe just in case lucifuck ends up messing up and also a way to start the book of revelations in hh.kill baldur and you get fimbulwinter.the same but with adam.
>>150468605YesMe personally, I just wanted an excuse to write a bluesy green.I'm actually writing another green as we speak. The the other greens the Anons did so far were great too.
>complaining that Adam could have done more and Heaven has forgotten him>when Lute has already noted this down and is about to make his death everyone else's HUGE FUCKING PROBLEM/ourgirl/ is going to fix everything, trust the plan. TRUST
Lute is an allegory for Adam fans who think he should have been the focus of the show even though that was never Viv's vision. Her Adam tulpa is a reference to fanfic authors who bring him back from the dead.
>>150469017>Lute has an Adam tulpaWtf? For real?
>>150468817she better, though viv will drop the ball on that one unless she let someone else on the reins.>>150469017agreed and this comes from someone who likes adam, he should remain dead thought it'll be disappointing if adam death brought zero consequences or side effects.>>150469066makes sense and I would be malicious enough in her shoes to send that tulpa to everyone in hell to torment them and deprive them of their sleep.
>>150469066Yes. The voiced animatic of S2E2 leaked. Lute has a breakdown and hallucinates a tulpa of Adam, she confesses she has feelings for him to it and he replies that he doesn't know whether the real Adam knew about her feelings or reciprocated because he's just something she created from her head. Then they sing a duet about getting revenge on Charlie. Tulpa Adam will probably be a recurring thing throughout the series and show up whenever Lute does.
I keep forgetting that not everyone knows about the leaked episode.
>>150468777nice tripsalso it is a fun way to bring consequences to killing adama punishment from the all mighty could work as well since you don't get to kill the father of humanity scotfreeif anything adam dying should be the straw that broke the cammels back from certain perspective
>>150469129>>150469162it just makes sense to wait patiently as it lets creativity to flow, at least they did something right with adam being a hallucination.
>>150469236I'm kind of jealous. The new Lute and Adam duet is so good I would have loved to see it for the first time in complete form. It's the best song in the show so far. If you like them you're going to be happy.
>>150468724He totally would've used it as a bargaining chip at the end of Season 1.
>>150468817I need to find my lute bros
The exorcists are so cool. I wish I had my own army of loyal female soldiers in cool gear like this.
>>150469473if he was aware, yeah but then what happens if they still kill him because to them its bullshit, calling it out and then ironically finding out that he wasn't lying later down the line.thats what makes this idea so intriguing because irregardless of him being aware or not, it would bring some serious shit to charlie and her friends.he was a dead man and he probably was aware of it too at the moment of his defeat, so having that as a bargaining chip only for none to believe it would have been fantastic and the best part? they wouldn't have anyone but themselves to blame if that was the consequences of killing him.
>>150469534Lutecoin is going to the moon on October 29, just wait
>>150468817Ironic that in a very gay show, the best ship is Adam and Lute, lmao Viv
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec_pZ--57Wcthis is the song for those who missed it
>>150469761it was better than I expected it to be...
>>150469129Also she has an angelic steel prosthetic arm with golden eagle talons and Adam's halo grafted to it which is quite literally metal as fuck
>>150469877Got a pic?
>>150469761>>150469816LMAO anon>>150469643 you are spot on
>>150462361>What the fuck was his problem?Paper thin dixkhead characterViv isnt really good at building up villains like ahe is misunderstood love interest
>>150466971>>150467213>charlie and emily one day snap over the situation>they become obsessive possessive over the human souls still around>overprotective and twitchy>losing faith in humanity taking care of itself since they can't stop killing themselves>both believe in the need someone to guide them and protect them from themselves>a mother of sorts always watching over them and making sure they don't get hurt>first they herd their respective groups and essentially keep them trapped in their places, be it the hotel for charlie and a literal fortress within heaven for emily>sinners and winners one day find themselves captive and smoothered to the point of asphixia from them>everyone slowly notice that charlie and emily had lost their marbles and are on a downward spiral>humanity gets too meet a new form of terror as more angels and even some from hell begin to also follow on it as well>sera gets to witness emily become someone truly scary and yet still holding that sweet smile and disposition>lucifer and lilith gets to see their daughter become someone unrecognizable and genuinely crazy>if they so much as bring it up that they aren't well the monster they indirectly created rears it head and the screams begins>in their determination to succeed and not fail both have lost themselves in it>taking whatever measures necessary if it means saving a singular soul>failing humanity would mean no purpose at all and failing themselves on a fundamental nature>without sinner to redeem charlie is nothing at all>without winners to bring joy emily is nothing at all>their purpose and very identity depends on these motherfuckers and they WILL succeed no matter what they have to do to achieve it.
>>150470609their mental state would be like this songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZtrpcnwoWU
>>150470649lol panty & stocking suck compared to hazbin
>>150471374They're both mediocre.
>>150471394Hazbin Hotel atleast has a story, however messy.Panty & Stocking is just pure aimless brainrot for shock value
>>150462361I imagine he is the way he is in the show because Eve left him.In Hazbin Hotel Adam had at least two wives (some irl texts even mentions three).Now imagine… God made you the perfect partner. Your other half. Your LITERAL soulmate. The person with who you are destined to be together forever, yet you somehow choose managed to fuck it up. Not just once, but twice (or even thrice)!Imagine screwing up the one thing, the most important thing, that God himself gave you. Multiple times.
Would you date Ada?
>>150472836Ada belongs to Luke. So no.
>>150472836ngl I would be their son.adam's looks and lute colors.>>150472917true that.
>>150472810lilith wasn't better than adam and eve screwed over adam alongside the rest of his bloodline.who knows how the third one was like but by then adam lost trust in anyone and probably developed mental issues over getting screwed over by lucifer.shit lilith and lucifer went out of their way to screw over adam through eve.
>>150462368I'm convinced it's just the OP posting this every time mainly because I've done it myself.
>>150473664I'm OP and I didn't post that
>>150473664nah it was another faggot
>>150462361>we never got a dracula flow from adam>adam will never teach emily to flow like dracula
>>150466971>>150467213>humanity as a whole slowly going extinct across creation due to adam dying.>in a way it indirectly starts the end of times
>>150462361he's just a one-dimensional fratbro asshole, what do you not understand?
>adam wants to experience the life his children get to live >transforms himself from a 8'5 badass angel into a 5'10 manletGOD>rents a car and visits every drive-thru known to man
>>150462381Why should he? His whole point is that people who go to Heaven, him included, are fundamentally better than those who go to Hell, and that if you go to Hell you are literal scum of the Earth and don't deserve any sort of sympathy. For ease of reference, imagine if Hazbin had a bit more pedophiles and rapists as the protagonists instead of tortured meowmeows and quirky lesbians, suddenly Adam wouldn't seem as unreasonable, even though he still is on account of that Hell isn't just pedophiles and rapists. And, as a further point, fundamentally it isn't a real moral point of Adam's; he doesn't actually really deeply care about purging the worst of the worst from existence. He's just a sack of shit as a person who wants to beat up people as to affirm himself. There's nothing deeper there, and he as a plot element exists to highlight that Heaven's system is not quite working right, because if it was, he would not be the one doing exterminations, even if they were conducted at all.
>>150477173BITCH ASS NIAGGA
>>150472810And the tragedy is he has Lute now, who wants him so bad and is so loyal to him she's hallucinating him and is about to throw away her life and status in Heaven to avenge him, and he never sealed the deal with her when he was alive because he was too afraid he'd fuck it up. He could have fucked her like he fucked all those hundreds of random women but he didn't because he actually liked her and thinks he's not cut out for relationships. Damn.
>>150478235>but he didn't because he actually liked her and thinks he's not cut out for relationshipsViv would never, straight man bad after allIt's so funny how the best ship in this gayass series is a straight one lmao
>>150478700You can't tell me that if he didn't care about her he wouldn't have fucked and used her
>>150478873one way lute could heal is by finding out she is pregnant with his kid...or use something from him to make a child.
>>150475299Extended scene in season 2 of Lute sobbing quietly over his death says he isn't and you are in fact supposed to feel bad that he's gone
>>150462368Fpbp
>>150478700>It's so funny how the best ship in this gayass series is a straight one lmaoMany such cases
Reminder that Lute literally got away with everything and Heaven wasn't going to punish her but shes going to keep the crusade going voluntarily and alone because she wants justice for Adam
>>150462361It's not that sinners can't be redeemed, it's that the damned can't. Unless Vivzie is a hack who doesn't know the difference.
>>150479372Lute extracting Adam's semen from his corpse for artificial insemination on herself.
>>150479372She already took his halo and had it fixed to her new arm.
>>150480119>Lute pulls a Mira
>>150462361He had an absent father.
>>150481388Technically is father is always there, just not involved in his life
>Lute gets banished to Earth and ends up on your doorstepWWYD?
>>150481908>Get her as many weapons as she needs
>>150481990Based /k/omando
>>150481908Brace myself since I'm about to become her pet mortal
bump
>>150482267The only mortal she wants is Adam
>>150483921>mortal>AdamBut he's no longer human (even if he retained the visage of one)
>hell isnt actually hell>its purgatory>”lucifer”, charlies dad, isnt THE lucifer>hes azazel in disguise>the real devil is down in actual hell, chained>lilith knew this from the beginning and left him because she wanted to reveal the truth, but he didnt agree>the reason why its hidden is because if people knew this was purgatory, they would start acting nice to get into heaven>this is bad because they are acting nice only until they get up top, after which they revert to their original predisposition>the reason this works is because the god of this universe isnt the christian god, but yaldabaoth, a dumb god who sees things as only black and white, incapable of discerning lies and deceit>purgatory was created by the angels to give mortals a second chance, but it was quickly rebranded as the real hell, so only the truly good would try and be better>this is why theres also no truly despicable monsters, such as warlords, genocidal maniacs etc, those just end up in hell proper, being deemed ”too far gone”>the angels that die dont really die, they just go to uber hell, because they have killed so many throughout the centuries they fall into the genocidal tier>the reason why there are exterminations is because while heaven and hell were built near the borders of creation, allowing them infinite room to expand, purgatory was built between them and, therefore, the space is limited>lilith has grown weary of seeing sinners fall to hopelessness and give up on being good, so she wishes to make a change>azazel, cosplaying as lucifer, believes its a fools errand, you cannot reveal the truth, sinners need to learn to be good by themselves even though they think they are in hell>from this disagreement they broke up>adam and the angels that got killed are not dead, but in actual hell, suffering for their sins>souls cannot be destroyed, only moved between the planes, a good angel who gets killed by a holy weapon will just respawn in heaven
>>15046236110,000 years of constant praise for being the First Man and told how much better he was compared to all the sinners who fucked up in life made him arrogant and proud.Adam was most likely a good man in life, he did get into Heaven after all, but he's basically a foil for Charlie's idea of Sinners getting better in Hell.
>>150484327thats true, imagine if he gained the need to be better or simply focus on revenge alone despite doing good, shit imagine adam slowly becoming what kratos was in greece.there was lots of potential to be had...
>>150466971>>150467213>by some miracle they restore him>yet it seems he had a factory reset>and he is a child just out of toddler stage>adam is now an adorable little shit>an adventurous and brave yet kind little bastard that everyone slowly gets to love>for lilith and lucifer this is emotional torture as having a kid adam being nice to them makes them burn in angst inside over how much they hurted the first man>adam still tries to make lilith and lucifer happy each time they meet which makes it bittersweet>it doesn't also help with the hazbin hotel crew>vaggie suffers from cognitive dissonance with him>charlie can't help herself and just begins to love this edenic child adam yet is bittersweet for her>sera and emily get to feel maternal instincts over him>no one in both heaven and hell leave adam unsupervised for even an instant>one day he goes missing and sanity begins to shatter>after heaven and hell enter crisis mode adam returns with blitzo>adam felt too smoothered and the IMP crew had the brilliant idea of going to earth for a walk in the park
>>150484327While Adam maybe got a position of power due to being the very first human, no one but his subordinates seem to really care about him. He's definitely bitter about how shit went down while he was alive and is definitely taking it out on the souls in Hell, but he seems like he feels the need to praise himself because hardly anyone actually does. He has to beg for pussy from chicks who go for the drummer first and assert how important he is to all the sinners in his rant. He's a bitter, directionless guy looking for importance, except instead of ducks he chooses to slaughter the physical representations of his deepest regrets. It's hard to say at this point whether the exterminations were ever actually necessary before Charlie found an alternative, but they were definitely personal for Adam.
>>150485599Interesting, but the whole unloved aspect to his character is kind of muddled by the existence of Lute to whom he is clearly the most important thing in the world to the point that she thinks he's worth destroying her life over.
>>150486083That's not something Adam ever acknowledges, but she's included in "no one but his subordinates", and even then it's not a sure thing like in the case of Vaggie. It's not unreasonable to believe he'd be so fixated on what he'd lost that he didn't see what he had. I mean, the guy was seething over Hell while sitting in paradise, so it's not totally out of character.
>>150486580That is true, but from an audience perspective one would assume the point of him is he has allowed himself to become bitter and jaded and doesn't have the self awareness to realize that he's become so foul which is why others find him unlikable. Having a character who unconditionally loves him as his foul self, without him having to do any kind of self reflection, and who presumably didn't even know him back when he was 'innocent', then runs kind of counter intuitive to that message.
>>150486580>and even then it's not a sure thing like in the case of Vaggie.In the case of Lute at least it's confirmed that she cares very, very much >>150469129
They've got to fix each other, it's the only way
I only care about the snake and Charlie to be honest
>>150487066Sir Pentious has got to be one of the least interesting characters in the show.
>>150485419>shotadamthat would be an interesting way to bring him back.
>>150486765not that anon but I would be curious to see him become amnesiac and show his nice side for once or at least an adam no one can believe is real yet it is.an adam thats ironically at his best and unburdened by anything in his past, a glimpse of what once was yet sadly disappeared after a lifetime of pain.
>>150469162What leaked episode? The pilot?
>>150488411Not the pilot. Episode 2 of Season 2 leaked almost a year ago, in semi complete animatic form. All the voice acting is done. The episode is set entirely in Heaven and it's been proven real over and over every time new season 2 screenshots get released through the official channels (we knew about Abel months before he was teased on the official Twitter and several shots from the new trailer obviously come from the leak episode). Guess it didn't get a HUGE amount of buzz because as it's a Heaven episode Charlie, Alastor et al don't appear.
>>150488411>>150488515>Heaven holds a trial for Pentious, we find out he was in Hell for not testifying against a serial killer he saw in Victorian England because he was too afraid of retribution.>Sera calls upon the Speaker of God, a big senior mommy angel, to attend the trial and they seem Pentious redeemed and free to enjoy Heaven.>Lute flips out and begs them not to cancel the Exterminations because Sinners will now rise up against Heaven. Sera demotes Lute and gives Adam's son, Abel (a faggy guy who didn't get along with his father) command of the Exorcists. She tells Lute she has to follow Abel.>Sir Pentious has fun in Heaven with Emily, Abel and St Peter but is sad because he misses his friends in Hell.>Sera feels regret for the Exterminations and sings a song with the Speaker about forgiveness.>Lute is breaking down and starts having visions of Adam. Lute is confirmed to be in love with Adam. Adam convinces her to take revenge for him. They sing a song about it, and it's great. Lute is planning to target Vaggie specifically to hurt Charlie, because she wants Charlie to feel the pain of having the one she loves most ripped from her.>Sera holds a strategic meeting with Abel and St Peter about the threat from Hell. The latter two are completely useless. Sera decides to close the border and seal off Hell. On a cliffhanger, Emily goes through the portal and is trapped in HellThere you go. That's the episode. It's pretty good.
