>Clone Saga>Sins Past>One More Day>death of Gwen Stacywhy does Spiderman have so many terrible storylines compared to other comic runs?
>>150476698Here's your discount Joker bro.
>>150476698Because he also has better storylines compared to other comic runs. There has to be a balance.
>>150476698Because he's a Soap Opera character, even compared to other Big 2 Chars. Everything revolves around his petty interpersonal drama of being a young adult living in New York, so eventually you'll get hidden siblings, clones, cucking and whatever else, because they're the only ways to do something "shocking".>>150476734Lol. Lmao.There are literally 0 genuinely great Spider-Man stories. He caps at mediocre.
>>150476731He's hardly anything like the joker at all. Are you feeling well?
>>150476789You're right, his jokes were shittier.
>>150476783>There are literally 0 genuinely great Spider-Man stories.Ah, there we go. You're an asshurt fanboy who googled "Spider-Man's worst stories" to build some kind of garbage thread.
I can't think of a single memorable "good" spiderman storyline but I can think of a ton of terrible ones.Meanwhile X-Men, Avengers, Superman, Batman, Justice League, etc all have a ton of great storylines.
>>150476830I can think of one. The one where the Jackal jerked off Spidey to get his sperm.
>>150476698>Clone SagaExecutive meddling>Sins PastExecutive meddling>One More DayExecutive meddling>death of Gwen StacyWhat?
>>150476698It's been absolute trash since 1998. People say 1992 or 93 but between those years and 1998 some good stories were still published. There has not been a single good ASM run since Byrne's. People bring up JMS and Spencer, but the former one changed or absolutely ruined important Peter Parker/Spider-Man's themes and characteristics, and the latter one was pure retconning and making everything more convoluted. I really don't know what's wrong with Spidey, why can't they make a simple, yet fun and smart run. It's like if almost every month they're trying to jump the shark. Since 1998. Like if he was cursed. >>150476783Literally the character with the most consistently good comics for three decades, literally the opposite for the other three decades
>>150476698>death of Gwen StacyWait a minute, I didn't notice this. What did he mean by this?>>150476830>t. only reads and enjoys post 2000 scum
>>150476830>>150476698Most of his stories are underwhelming in terms of the threats and scale compared to what Moon knight or X-men or even Daredevil faces on a regular basis.The main highlight runs imo tend to be Roger Stern, the Web of Spider-Man series, Straczynski's run, and Millar's Marvel knights.
I know this is a bait thread but I wonder if OP has actually read any of the stories he quoted. Or indeed read any comics at all
the first spidey comic i read was OMD and it was so retarded I stopped reading marvel altogether
>>150477626lol, this should be a hate letter
>>150476698Two of those are only "terrible" if Gwen Stacy is your waifu (and you bought into the post-death myth of her being some kind of saint), and one of them is a two year long mixed bag of good and bad. Only OMD is truly terrible.>>150476731This was the best version of the Jackal.
>>150477588Joe Kelly's run is good so far tho, it has already surpassed both JMS's and Spencer's quality-wise
>>150476698>Clone Saga>Sins Past>One More Day>spider-versethe 4 nails in spider-man coffin.
>>150477982I've just read the Hobgoblin arc. But just based on that, I wouldn't say so
>>150476698Because Marvel doesn't actually care about Spider-Man, OP. Just the money he brings. It's why he will never leave Batman's shadow.
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>>150476698Why did you mention the Death of Gwen Stacy, a highly praised single issue, with all those other ones?
>>150477604>Moon Knight>threats or scaleYou must be fucking high. Or a goddamn casual.A retarded Asgardian redneck wigger was treated as an "oh shit" kind of villain for Moon Knight.Moon Knight's villains are mostly pathetic bottom-feeders just above forgettable scum Punisher usually kills, but an afterthought for any other hero. Please tell me of all the threat and scale Black Spectre, Nimrod Strange or Druid Walsh provide, kek.>DaredevilHis villains are even more of a joke, lmao. To this day one of three Daredevil villains worth a damn (Kingpin/Bullseye/Typhoid Mary) is one of Spider-Man's villains.
>>150476731Having some middle aged cuck nerd cosplay as a furry green guy and doing his worst Green Goblin impersonation was embarrassing. No wonder Marvel just said fuck it and bring Norman back for the end. Like everything else with Clone Saga, Marvel didn't know what the fuck they wanted to do with him.
Just to clarify since I sounded a bit too harsh there and somebody might get upset, it may not seem like it by the way I talk about him, but I do actually like Moon Knight. His villains are generally a minor nuisance at best in the grand scheme of the Marvel Universe and that's okay.While Spider-Man is fighting the Sinister Six for the 100th time or Captain America is foiling another HYDRA plan to take over the world, Moon Knight is out there fighting some cult worshipping an obscure deity or finding a random serial killer. Fighting street crime that's too low-level for Daredevil or Punisher and mystical shit where Doctor Strange of Thor would be an overkill.It's the kind of underdog niche that I think works for Moon Knight the best. It's why that even if I talked shit about Achilles Fairchild earlier, he still works because him being "a redneck wigger" is not an inaccurate assessment. He's the kind of a middle-ground villain where you raise the stakes with Moon Knight fighting a literal "god" (really big quotations here) without wanking Moon Knight to the point that he's fighting somebody who actually matters.
>>150476698>reading past V1 350You only have yourself to blame.>Death of Gwen StacyYou are beyond redemption
>>150476698Combination of editorial fuckery, being a prestige title and thus attracting clout chasers and know it all fans and last but not least raw numbers since it's a 60+ year old title. Batman probably has the same issues
>>150479603Isn't there a bad end What If that happens because Moon Knight and Punisher fail to stop a low level cult before they summoned Set
>>150476830If this be my DestinyDeath of Jean DeWolf/Return of Sin EaterKraven's Last HuntChild WithinPursuit>>150477604Dude, Maximum Carnage was one of the worst things to happen to New York by that point
>>150476783>compared to other Big 2 CharsSuperman is too.Triangle era was even full of Spiderman's writers
>>150476849Ew
>>150476698Death of Gwen was good. But Spider-man is a character built around growing up yet he is owned by a company and published in a format that doesn't allow him too. Clone Saga, OMD, and even Sins Past to an extent, are shit stories because of this refusal to allow him to age as he should. Well Sins past probably would've been shit even if they had the original idea of them being Peter's kids, but I stand by this with the other 2.
>>150477982If you think that you're either an idiot or a shill. I'll grant that it's better than Wells' run but that's about it
didnt they retcon the "gwen stacy fucked norman osborn and had his babies" shit?
>>150476698Death of Gwen Stacy was good however.
>>150476698Because you don’t read enough comics
>>1504766986 years of shit
>>150481568>KKKHuh?
>>150476698Eh, I think Spider-Man is just so famous that people remember his bad stories more.Also, since Marvel doesn't ever reboot their continuity, they stick around and stay relevant.If DC never rebooted their continuity, then fans might be lamenting still how Wonder Woman killed Maxwell Lord, or how Lois Lane and Superman have a terribly toxic relationship when you consider those silver age stories.But I do know that Wonder Woman, Superman, X-Men, and so on have had plenty terrible runs and stories.So I'm not sure if Spider-Man is an exception here.
>>150476783>Because he's a Soap Opera character, even compared to other Big 2 Chars. Everything revolves around his petty interpersonal drama of being a young adult living in New York,Huh I never thought of it that way before, but you're absolutely right.With other big characters like Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman; their stories are mainly them reacting to whatever the new threat is. Their personal lives are usually pretty constant in a consistent status quo.I'm less familiar with Marvel, but usually their other character's stories are also based mostly on them adapting to new external threats.Spider-Man is the one which is really based on his personal life.So, in some ways, his relationships with Mary Jane, aunt May, and J. Jonah Jamison are given more priority than whoever it is he's fighting that month.
>>150477588Do you only count it if the ENTIRE run was good? JMS' early stuff (up to and including ASM500) was good.I also feel that a lot of the BND and immediately post BND stuff (up to and including Origin of the Species) was a lot of fun too. Felt very much like a new status quo but the stories were entertaining and there was character drama and mystery that still felt like 'classic' Spider-Man.
>>150485703>I also feel that a lot of the BND and immediately post BND stuff (up to and including Origin of the Species) was a lot of fun too. Felt very much like a new status quo but the stories were entertaining and there was character drama and mystery that still felt like 'classic' Spider-Man.Have you read it recently, because it really, really doesn't
>>150485810I dunno, a year or two ago?What are your problems with it? I thought that BND (with the flat lady, the snowstorm bits, introducing Mr. Negative, etc...) and New Ways To Die were both pretty good. I didn't mind the Menace mystery, I liked the new supporting cast in Carlie and the blonde chick, and I thought a lot of the Gauntlet stories were good (Rhino stood out but I also liked Electro, Sandman, and Vulture).
>>150485703How? ASM 500 feels like a convoluted ASM 100. And that one was a bad issue. The best part is Uncle Ben obviously, also because of the real Romita's pencils
>>150476698>death of Gwen Stacy>bad
>>150479636>reading past V1 350>You only have yourself to blame.>telling people to stop reading Spider-Man just before one of the best Spider-Man runsWhy would you do this? There are plenty of later jump-off points you can use as a "stop reading for your own good" end point.
>>150486430ASM 500 was fun, had a bunch of fanservice, and as you mentioned had the Uncle Ben part.I'm not specifically saying that ASM 500 is fantastic, I'm saying that it was good and the stuff before it was good too. I enjoyed Peter as a high school teacher, I thought the Spider-Wasp lady, the first Morlun story, and some of the characterization/filler was enjoyable.
It’s mainly due to Marvel not taking advantage of the OGN format with Spidey. All his best stories are in ongoing ASM runs that don’t lend themselves well to a 6 issue trade. Batman, Superman etc all have a plethora of one off stories, else worlds or original stories in trade format. Spider-Man doesn’t get that benefit. To enjoy him at his best, you need to collect omnis.
>>150476830>X-Men, Avengers>Justice LeagueThese don't have a single good storyline.
>>150476698Spider-Man was consistently good for three decades.
>>150487022I think we probably disagree on what the best Spider-Man runs are, anon.
>>150488484>Avengers>Justice League>These don't have a single good storyline.>One of the legit GOAT of GOAT comics is a crossover between the two written and drawn by two legends who worked on both booksGoddamn I usually have to work to find retards like you
>>150488605If you're telling people to drop out before the DeMatteis run on Spectacular, I think you probably disagree with most of the fandom.
>>150490287I can live with that.
>>150490246Crossovers are for retards, retard.
Add Miles, 15 years of Dan Slutt and his current run
>Why does this mega popular character with 60+ years of content have more content than others?
>>150483367It was retconned.
>>150491465So they're perfect for you then
