>Kills the joker >Is considered bad for it and capeshitters use it as a defense against joker surviving
It's a meta joke on how the entirety of DC will collapse if they didn't make that Joker money
>>150487648It's bad because I'm tired of DC using Batman characters to change Superman's character.Use Superman characters dammit
>>150487648>here's that hero I was telling you about
>>150487648Should have raped him instead. Can't learn anything if you're dead.
>>150487648People look at this so wrong, Magog is not even in the wrong for killing Joker hes acquitted in Kingdom Come over it. The issue is Magog uses "kill" in every situation . Surrendering villain? Yeah im killing him. Robbed a bank? Im killing him. Its not even slippery slope Magog appealed to Blood thirsty masses
I find it funny in that Magog kills Joker right before "Batman should kill the joker" discourse started. That argument is only a thing now becasue they kept escalating the crimes joker does now.
>>150487687nice take desu
>>150487648>>Is considered bad for it andNobody mourns the joker and thats not what superman was arguing against Magog ended up being the most sympathetic of the new breed later on The world when to seed because everyone praising magog for his use of lethal force inspired a whole generation of copycats who became superheroes just for the chance to fight and kill
>>150487648>>Is considered badNobody consider that bad, they consider him a crazy dude and Superman saw him as a bad influencee for future capeshiter.Which ended up being true and sadly gotham without Joker ended up being as much as a shithole but with a totalitarian rule (plus he nuked Kansas because he was an edgy tard)
>>150487687I always loved that scene where superman is begrudgingly bringing joker to the cops while everyone is screaming to rip his spine out and magog comes in and just kills him. Everyone in the crowd just throws superman out and praises magog. Super Man who spent decades defending the city even the Earth sticking to his morals was thrown out in seconds due to some new guy who KILLS. It really encapsulates the 90s in one panel.
>>150487654DC doesnt really make good money from joker surviving. Killing Joker discourse has only gotten worse due to the fact they have crafted him into being more of serial killer and less of a Crown Prince of Crime.
>>150487706>>150487793What changed joker in your opinion?
>>150487654>>150487793Maybe and only MAYBE they should return to the 70 and 90s era putting some villains MIA until people miss them and tales new stories.Hell, how much was Joker in the 90s comics? Not much, 70s outside engleheart don't remember much.It was the 00s that fucked Joker having him being the villains too much which the 10s made the problem worse because every writer wanted his Joker story(same that happened with Green Goblin )
Kingdom Come was almost as preachy and heavy handed as Superman vs. The Elite. They could hardly articulate why the new gen of heroes was so bad outside of being kinda mean.
>>150487828It was Killing Joke, after Killing Joke is slowly went further and further. It also doesnt help this is combined with Nolans Joker being much more.The issue is Joker is not funny anymore. Even with how serious Heath was he STILL had jokes
>>1504877933 Jokers killed him for good imo everyone rolls their eyes whenever they see him
>>150487966>They could hardly articulate why the new gen of heroes was so badKansas and the pannels of everyone destroying everything without going a fuckIf It was a Hack Snyder movie people would yell about that
>>150487966the ending of Superman and The Elite was always a bit weird. i always felt like it was a weak answer to the problem they posed. i don't disagree with Superman, but i do disagree with how he ultimately dealt with The Elite
>>150488063Kingdom Come never critics the idea of what the new heroes did either, they cleaned up crime but the issue was crime soon then came back 10 times stronger to compete versus them. Superman was never the main viewpoint of KC. It was always the preacher and how it looks to a regular human. The Elite was more of a "you 90s edgelords deserve it.....also I hate The Authority"
>>150487648>kills the joker and everyone cheers the murder, having this mentality that this aggressive behavour is what should be done>acting surprised when the same agressive behavour causes a nuclear explosion that kills millions
>>150487716The part were Magog breaks was one of the best parts. You're expecting some big edgy fight and instead you get some guy who just hates he gave into what world demanded
>>150487648The comic book industry will always have a subsection of writers sperging out about antiheroes. Kingdom Come looks good but Waid is such a baby about it, just look at his comments on The Punisher.
>>150488175>>150488118and this is why "WE MUST KILL THE JOKER" fags hate. Someone mentioned kingdom come on /v/ on another joker must die thread and a lot of people lashed out agasint the message
>>150488197why cant we have a balance? Why must one needed death go down a path of endless violence?
>>150487648Ok
>>150487828The dark knight movie
>>150487687Was it handled better than superman vs the elite?
>>150489469Yes, because it’s more a critique on comic readers preferring killing villains
>>150487648i get why waid checked out, spent decades reading retarded shit like this i wouldn't bother trying either.
>>150487683Raping the Joker has no effect upon the Joker gimpself. Rather, you stab at the heart of the Criminal demimonde, etching unholy unrelenting terror into the minds and quivering rectums of every twobit gangster and illegitimate mobboss alike, showing that no one is immune, no one is exempt, no one is above(but often below) to the Holy War of the Batdick of Justice.
