Why do modern comic writers have a childish understanding of the world?
>>150489596Let's be honest, with the tech marvel has access to nobody on their earth should have to work. Like they found multiple sources of infinite power and can't manage perpetual energy?
>>150489758we irl have multiple sources of near infinite power and can't manage affordable electricity bills
>>150489596Because they don't understand economics
>>150489596>Doom doing something impressive while belittling everyone else for not doing it firstThere is not a single thing wrong with this page
Doom sets up universal welfare and in less than 5 years the entire population of the planet becomes like american BlacksActual Genius Evil Villain plan
>>150489596>"Progressives" admitting their communist utopia isnt possible without a magical dictator Hmm
>>150489758Figuring out something to power the world is an important first step.Building the power planets and wiring every building on earth to them is were we run into real problems. Turns out, that much money doesn't actually exist much less can be spent in a few years to upgrade the grid.Just like the US, and this nothing even approaching theoretical or secret, have infantry sized laser death rifles and warp ships that get around the FTL problem. We, the richest country in the history of the planet, just can't afford to build them.
>>150489818Except that his proposals are actually impossible
>>150489885Nations spend trillions of dollars on the military and no one bats an eye. None of this impossible. Leaders just don't want a healthy, educated populace. They want an exploited working class.
>>150489922see >>150489814
>>150489922People absolutely do bat an eye at military budgets
>>150489782There is a dormant nuclear plant near me that is being re-opened only for the use of a Google data center being built in our city. Google negotiated tax breaks, new water infrastructure, and energy deals that will raise MY property taxes, water bill and electricity bill and they get a discount. This data center brings with it THIRTY new jobs.This civilization is in it's last stages, can you feel it?
>>150489596The education part sounds more reasonable because of how much money gets "lost" in the way, specially in third world countries. That may be the case with healthcare to a lesser degree, too, specially with all the lazy people at work on public healthcare.People would just start thinking twice before trying to weasel money out of important stuff if there was a real chance of a Doombot showing up asking "WHERE DID THE MONEY DOOM SENT HERE GO?".
>>150489998Fuckin hell
>>150489998Guess what, we need data centers. That's innovation buddy.
>>150489596How do you enforce free health care? Do hold doctors at gun point?
>>150490150No, that would be silly. You hold the politicians and bureaucrats and media at gunpoint.
>>150490040No we don't
>>150490150By paying the doctors with tax money.
>>150489885>>150489814Dr. Doom can do anything if it mean flexing on Richards, even solving economic scarcity. Its his superpower
>>150489846>Communist utopiaFinland has those systems, and it purged its own communists in death camps.
>>150490040We absolutely don't need data centers, or Google, or companies of any kind at all.
>>150490521Cool go live in fuckin Africa. We'll be over here not dying of childbirth.
>>150490228Which does not work.
lol
>>150490925>If you don't like spyware and ads, you should live in africa.Is that your final take?
>>150490940>What is the VA, and medicareYou neoliberal retards are the worst
>>150491099Horrible systems is what they are. Go check out Canada for "free" healthcare>>150491076You said we don't need companies. Don't move the goalposts now.
>>150490502That's why it works!
>>150490040I can't believe how many fish you caught with this baitYou retards are retarded
>>150491251Not bait. Do you like the internet? Do you think it's the most revolutionary technology in history? Guess what, it requires infrastructure. Cope.
>>150491147Ah, you do know that being retarded ironically, means you still are acting like a retard, right?Cut that out.
>>150489596Because they lived much different lives than those of comic book creators of ye olden days. Kirby and Lee were children of immigrants who served in the army. They met many different types of people and were exposed to many different ideas.That said, it's not that modern writers are more childish, it's that they're more cynical. For good or ill, they just don't have the faith older writers did. They don't believe in God or country or the human spirit, and that is reflected in their work. To them, utopia is ever only a few steps away, but unattainable. Somebody will reach out and touch it to show how close it is, and then it will slip away because that is how things are. Not because of the nature of man, not because there was anything wrong with the act itself, but just because.Old writers were not so cynical. They could believe in something. Even if it was just jingoism and blind faith, something written by somebody who believes in it will always be better than something written by somebody who believes in nothing.
>>150489596Ryan North is a shit writer.
>>150489596Because old comics were written by adults who probably went to war. New comics are written by children who call it a hardship if the internet goes down
>>150490011I would agree with you if the problem with higher education for everyone hadn't already reared it's ugly head without being free. Currently you need a college degree to work at fucking Starbucks, because almost everyone in the job market already has a degree. Perhaps you could argue that you just have to make the degrees you can get for free something useful, but when you have an overabundance of business majors because it requires the least math and no engineers you still have the same problem.Maybe dropping everything into trying to get people into trade schools could work if it included more practical professions like CNC operator ECT... But then you still have people starting out below poverty line while working as an apprentice which is the Union's way of weeding out anyone who isn't already a nepotism baby and getting nearly free work until they're crushed under bills.
>>150489885He has magic mang.
>>150489596You can tell it's a comic book because this is a world where throwing more education and medicine at people makes society better, instead of being being a bottomless pit of wasted effort and corruption. As if the only thing stopping people from abusing the medical system was availability, and the only thing keeping minorities from succeeding in school was money.
>>150492590To be fair, doom will unironically lynch any corrupt government workers.
>>150489596>Balkan gyppo authoritarian dictator>FREE BORDERS AND MEDICINE FOR ALL THE MAMADOUS AND ALSO EDUCATION>this is the big event of the yearBoy, these people really do live in their own little world, don't they?
>>150489596The American system had already achieved these things before we lost WW2
>>150489596>free
>>150489922Go read Brave New World
>>150489998And let me guess, you're not gonna do dick about it?
>>150491493What kind of retarded take is this?First off, the problem with ANY kind of system is "man." You can name any organization, pick any law, anything that requires the coordinated action of multiple people, and somehow it'll get fucked up. It's inherent to the nature of people. There MAY be some rare exceptions in cases where there's super fucking strict gatekeeping, but I don't think so. Second, what kind of nonsense is this faith/cynicism thing? Faith is just believing something without evidence. It doesn't make you more interesting or more open-minded or expose you to new ideas. Sure, cynicism doesn't do that either, but I would argue that cynicism is a form of faith anyway. Comics of the Golden and Silver Age were absolute dogshit that was aimed at children and immature teenagers. Faith or cynicism or anything of the sort had nothing to do with it.
>>150492598Yeah, commie China does that. If you get caught taking a bribe you get a life term or death. Hasn't done dick to curtail it though.
>>150493095I mean they are a world superpower.
>>150489758>Like they found multiple sources of infinite power and can't manage perpetual energy?Because in Marvel you have Roxxon, even more cartoonishly evil oil company not wanting to transition to cleaner, better energy sources
>>150489971They bitch about it but put zero pressure on politicians to actually do anything about the absurd spending
>>150491147>Go check out Canada for "free" healthcareYou mean the place that plenty of Americans every year go to get cheaper medicine and healthcare?
>>150493182The COUNTRY that had less MRI machines the one American city 15 years ago and still has less then Chicago today? The country where they asked a paralyzed veteran to kindly kill herself because it was taking over a year and a half to install a stair lift for her? The country that let a woman kill herself with MAID because of her credit card debt? The country that told a veteran with PTSD calling for help to just fucking kill themselves?
>>150493245Still better than America
>>150493245But I didn't know any of those people, so its fine.... right?
>>150490502Finland is also 80% white and doesn’t even have a quarter of the US’s population
>>150491099>Citing the fuckin VA of all things as an example of effectiveness
>>150493088NTA but I bet you liked what OP posted didn’t you? It’s ok to admit you like goyslop
>>150493245inaccurate, Canada would have you wait 43 months and THEN ask you to kill yourself
Doom my homie, he gib more money fo dem programs.
>>150491029i dont get it. he bought a heart?
>>150494355I'm trying to puzzle out the metaphysics of a heart "taking out a lot of people at once." myself. The fakeout absolutely should've been an AR-15, I don't think you can buy a claymore in a shop, even in the Reddest red state.
>>150494390On a re-read, I find it's "Taking Care of a bunch of people at once." Ok Dave, that's alright.
>>150490228That's already a thing, it's called Medicare and Medicaid, and pays doctors absolute shit, so most who can avoid accepting it without facing legal penalties refuse to take them.
>>150493546It is effective. Especially compared to rest of the US healthcare
>>150494465You must have an odd definition of what constitutes "effective" healthcare.
>>150489758This. Doom and Reed together can and have cured disease and poverty. The X-Men can bring people back to life. In the real world it's childish; in Marvel it's insipid.
>>150494533The worst part is when Marvel themselves points this shit out unprompted by people like Doom so he can lord it over the heroes, only to need to backtrack by going "Doom uses Latverian citizens as people reactors"Writers are really fucking stupid. This shit wouldn't be such so obvious if they didn't keep bringing it up unprompted with the clear intent to never actually see it solved and just let it alone.
>>150489885We're talking about a guy who builds time machines for booty calls with Morgan le Fay, once created a planet from pieces of destroyed universes when literally nothing was supposed to exist and held it together with sheer willpower, and currently has the title of Big Kahuna of Motherfucking Wizards. "Impossible" went out for a pack of smokes years ago and never came back.
>>150493245In Quebec we have a politician who unironically told everyone that he improved the efficiency of the healthcare system, by reducing the time before being treated at the emergency by 12 minutes! Out of 6 hours! So now you only have to wait 5h48m if you get stabbed or something else
>>150492558Well, I'm not even talking from a murrican perspective, but more of a supposed third world one. Most everyone getting a free business major would mean at least they'd know the basic math and proper reading/writing, people who would go the extra mile for a medicine degree or something would have aimed for that anyway if they could, it would just be easier for them. Not everyone would be happy on a Starbucks salary, and even if they went for another career later, it's always better to have more qualified doctors in the family than just relying on random internet grifters like people often do these days.>>150493088Almost sounds like you think current comics are somehow better than Silver or Golden age ones.
>>150493095Doesn't help that the "people" who can catch you taking bribes also take bribes, since yhey're more equal.
>>150490040>we desperately need new AI data centers>but new nuclear power plants for the general public? fuck no, you get solar and wind
>>150494918Question, do they push wounded criminals in front of the first aid line like in my country?
>>150494992I do not know, but I wouldn’t be surprised
>>150494505He must be confusing affordability with effectiveness. Because I'm sure as shit very few vets cite the VA as a positive example of effective healthcare
>>150489596Because the education system has been under relentless attack for decades by politicians who want an uneducated, illiterate and gullible electorate stupid enough to vote for their just-as-corrupt-as-they-are-but-not-quite-smart-enough-to-be-subtle-about-it sons when it's their turn to run for office. No critical thinking skills, because that's bad for their agenda.
>free>they are expensive
>>150489596>Old comic writers could live decently and travel the world on meager salaries>Current comic writers live in a box>Instead of self reflecting and addressing why the very things they support make their lives unaffordable (ever increasing minimum wage, more illegals, more regulations, globalism) they blame the government and the rich for not giving them more gibsBasically they're unhappy and retarded.
>>150489596It's okay, they clearly are marking both of these as evil and destined to fail here.
>>150489849>Turns out, that much money doesn't actually exist much less can be spent in a few years to upgrade the grid.Tony Stark built a Dyson station near the sun in a matter of months. With the intention, and seeming capabilities to make it a Dyson Sphere iirc. If he has the money and resources to do that, the cunt has the money and resources to upgrade the entire planet's electrical grid several times over.
>>150495392>the very things they support make their lives unaffordable (ever increasing minimum wage, more illegals, more regulations, globalism)Things that famously have nothing to do with the government and the rich
>>150495709I see you're doing that Reddit thing of intentionally missing the point because you cant argue against it. It doesnt work here. Every gib you asked from the government was given and it only made you more poor and enriched the people you claim to hate.
>>150494992You mean basic triage?
>>150495392I love this type of projection from seething fanboys, always so revealing where they’re coming from
>>150495596>>150489849Reminder that gravity clearly is very flexible in their universe, meaning that you can probably use its ebbs and flows to power a perpetuum mobile home generator.Room-temperature super conductors are probably also in the cards, considering all the BS Magneto pulls off.Heck, if groceries are an issue, you could just take an injection and start sustaining yourself through photosynthesis.
What are they supposed to do? Draw real-world parallels and get cancelled? In the context he is in, Doom is also right, the FF alone hold tons of tech back.
>>150489596>elite-tier education>localNo one can say Vic isn't a dreamer
>>150489596>Why do modern comic writers have a childish understanding of the world?>waaaah why aren't they based like me and writing real world stuffbecause these are stories about flying people with underwear on the outside you fucking moron
>>150493052The complexity of healthcare has increased infinitely since before WW2 and thus the costs have as well. They didn't have MRIs or artificial life support before WW2.
>>150494593Hank Pym chose only to enlarge himself. What is Doom asking Hank to do, give some serum to cows to enlarge them so we can eat huge cows? But can the cows control the enlargement as Hank does?
>>150490925You were saying?
>>150496439Let's be real, with Hank's luck the instant he tries to enlarge the cows they turn into kaijuu killer kows that are big enough to bulldoze cities and ave to be put down as Hank cries his eyes out at everything he tries to help humanity with ending up cursed. That's a far more likely outcome than whatever Doom's proposing.
>>150495392The minimum wage is still $7.20 nationally but most jobs pay more. And never seen an illegal write a comic book, anon.
>>150489830Yes, but he's almost certainly also going to defund the world's police and replace them doombots too.
>>150496233The FF are scared that if they release their advanced technology bad actors will get ahold of it and use it for nefarious purposes, so they act like ruling technocrats, controlling and deciding what gets done with it within their framework of moral boundaries.
When did Storm get so powerful she could terraform Mars and rule over it? Did she gain some new, wider powers rather than just localized weather control?
>>150496564Stupidly overpowered as she regularly gets, that's one thing Doom's lying about to make his argument sound better. They had whole teams of X-men terraforming mars, she's just the one who declared herself "Speaker of the Sol System" once it was done aka basically declared herself queen bitch of the solar system without the actual authority to do so.
>>150496538Someone else probably invented some their gatekept stuff already and they sabotaged or destroyed it because "the world was not ready". You found a cure for your dying wife? Fuck you, fantastic cancer laser GO!
>>150489922The real supervillains are the ones running things. It's why Disney/Mavel kowtowed on the Kimmel thing. Even Dr Doom isn't this evil.
>>150489596Most people do. I'd say the issue is more them genuinely thinking they have the answers while making the most ham-fisted arguments possible.Don't get me wrong. The page you post is not that bad. The issue is that it's not just that page. It's the whole direction of comics over the past twenty years or so.>>150496242Doctor Doom - Inner City School Teacher in comics stores near you
>>150496282The point is those things would be cheaply available to everyone(a lot of things would be) if we hadn't lost WW2
>>150489998How large is that population that is impacted by this in the same way you are?Depending on what part of the world it could be that you're living in a barren little shit town.
>>150493182Lol no we fuckin don't, they come here because they don't want to wait months for treatment
>>150496644>she's just the one who declared herself "Speaker of the Sol System" once it was done aka basically declared herself queen bitch of the solar system without the actual authority to do so.That still sounds pretty damn bad
>>150494465You are not a vet nor do you know any
>>150496564Because she controls the fucking weather, anon.
>>150494991We also need nuclear power, don't put words in my mouth
>>150496812It was. So many X-men's actions and diplomatic gaffes during the Krakoa era would provide any writer with decades worth of material to work with regarding villains throwing it in their face and backlash from heroes
>>150495791I mean "human rights" bullshit.
>>150493150They're a shithole propped up by the USA. The moment the US economy shits itself, the Chink economy shits itself 10x as much.>>150493555>>150494924Comic books are inherently childish and I am extremely picky in what I read. Nothing from the Golden or Silver Age is worth reading. Most comics are entirely unreadable garbage. There's a couple of exceptions:>Transmetropolitan>We3>Locke & Key>The Power Fantasy
>>150496959Wow you're a fag
>>150496753Given butterfly effect there's no guarantee MRIs or artificial life support would even exist
>>150496233Ten years and this panel got actually funnier
>>150496833She controls localized weather. Not climate, not planetary weather. That isn't enough to terraform a planet. Besides >>150496644already answered, more than just her were involved in doing it
I wrote a Marvel reimagining.Cancer is still beyond the power of Reed
>>150496959This though>>150496986
>>150489596is he doing genetic engineering? 65 iq sub saharans that believe raping babies cures aids and bald heads have gold in them arent going to college. nigeria has a doctor school where a 4.0 gpa starts at 60 average. you want doctors that dont know left from right and just do what an ipad says after they take equivilency exams governments rubber stamp? it is impossible for people 10 standard deviations below graduate levels to do basic math.
>>150496564To be fair, Storm didn't terraform Mars solo. It was her and a bunch of other mutants combining their abilities.
>>150496958…you’re against human rights?
Would you be more afraid of a guy who looks like this or Dr. Doom?
>>150497227He means in a situation where someone stabs you and you shoot them, them prioritizing the stabber over you and calling it "human rights"
>>150496988True we would have more advanced medical tech
>>150489596Because good writers don't write comics. What is this, 1986?
>>150497711Good writers have to start somewhere. Do you think they write quipslop movies? Or do they only write erudite novels that no one reads anymore and get 90 sales?
>>150497247dr doomthis guy (fittingly) looks like a soiboy at a trekkie convention
>>150497914Bravo, I don't know why but that made me burst out laughing
>>150492598Doom is the only person in the MCU who could turn the world into a Utopian Paradise, but that's because he's a fictional science wizard with unlimited resources. In the real world, the entire time he'd be implementing worldwide reforms by brutally stomping out opposition and making examples of rebels who oppose the glory of Doom's mandatory re-education system. All of which actually works and is for the legitimate greater good of the human species, but it would still be treated like it was bad and wrong, because it's Doom doing it.
>>150497659The cops literally let handcuffed suspects who’ve been shot bleed to death and don’t do any CPR while they wait for an ambulance. And you think they’re prioritising them? Fucking deranged. Touch grass.
>>150497659Has that ever actually happened, or are you just saying words you heard, but didn't understand?
>>150493088>faith/cynicismBelief/cynicism. Faith is just a type of belief here.For a particularly grandiose example, look at God Loves, Man Kills. It's a story about Xavier's belief in coexistence being tested by somebody whose dogma blinds him to their shared humanity believes in. Magneto shows up and helps the X-Men, whispers in their ear about the futility of Xavier's dream, and he's got a pretty good argument in the guy trying to kill them. At the climax, the X-Men go on stage with Stryker and practice their belief, and a human, just a guard in the stands, sides with them, because Stryker is about to kill an unresisting little girl. They return home, where the threat isn't really defeated, and Xavier questions his beliefs, only for his students to reject siding with Magneto.Xavier's beliefs reflect Claremont's own. He tells this story because it's what he believes in. Coexistence is better than the alternative. The villain is ultimately defeated because he is antithetical to that, and the heroes continue to fight because they believe in what they're striving for.That's not the case with One World Under Doom. The heroes fight because "that's Doom". Even when it's revealed that there's no mind control or anything, "that's Doom". And Doom begins to lose his hold, not because the writer believes in any fundamental problem in a guy taking over the world, but because the heroes finally find something on Doom after months of looking.It's an exercise in cynicism. The good guys fight the bad guy because he's bad, the bad guy will be defeated because of an informed attribute pulled out of a hat. Nobody will wake away from it thinking "it's wrong for somebody to unilaterally impose his will for the greater good", because the writer doesn't believe that. To the extent that the writer believes in anything, it's that making the world into a utopia is actually really easy, but it won't happen because because. He doesn't believe in any vision, just that we can't reach it.
>>150498120repeat after me, anon: freedom is good.
>>150489596Because outside of the adult kindergarten that is college, they haven't been out in the world.
>>150495596The United States and quite possible every individual state would have to approve it. I bet he HAS approached them, and was turned down, but that denial was quickly followed up by a hopeful request for Stark Arms ordinance and weapons.
>>150498446You may think there's no message. But entertain for a second that there is one. The message could be: people can't change. "That's Doom" as you put it, extrapolates out to "Dr Doom has done evil things in the past--there is no way he has suddenly become a squeaky clean altruist with zero nefarious undertones to what he is doing. There MUST be something wrong here." Their belief is reinforced when they find that Latverian citizens are being drained of energy to power Doom's spells. Don't be fooled. Once evil, always evil. That is a message one can take from One World Under Doom.
>>150489940"Source: the ass of the rich man who told me"It's possible in our world. It's extra possible in the Marvel universe, where AI is not a retarded autocorrect and robots that can pass for world leaders are mass manufactured, and free energy abounds>>150491147Canadian healthcare is far from perfect, but you have to be a brainwashed stooge to think it's not better than the US, where we have a worst-of-all-possible-worlds system. A shrinking middle class pays for the health care of 90% of Americans, with the bottom 80% of providers, while paying a massive tithe to the 1%.The system is raping you in half, and you think the problem is the condom.
>>150498352If you follow the reply chain, you'll see I wasn't necessarily talking about murrica.Media and the law will be all up the cops' and the doctors' ass if a criminal dies for trading bullets with the police, here. They have to prioritize the average crook over some rando that gets shot in the crossfire, or an old person having random old person issues or whatever.
>>150496233>>150496538I want a drawing of this guy weeping in the ruins of Gaza or something.Minor nitpick, but it is just Reed's tech. He is the one keeping it to himself. The other three aren't smart enough to make scientif breakthroughs.
>>150497659They need the guy alive to punish him to the whole extend of the law.But you? If you die, they get to punish the stabber even harder.
>>150498851>It's possible in our worldThen why hasnt it been done yet?>B-But this majority white country with the fraction of the US population has achieved it!Yeah and you dont think those two factors along with the US protecting them via NATO plays a role?
>>150498851>It's possible in our worldFor a monoethnic, physically healthy client state that has no ability to defend itself, sure.
>>150489596>modern comic writers have a childish understanding of the world?As opposed to who? The Silver Age writers?An early Hulk issue literally had Rick Jones reveal Hulk's secret to the president and the president agreed to keep it a secret and HELP Banner (who was a suspected spy at the time) because he's just such a swell guy and just knows that Banner/Hulk is not a danger to anyone. You tell me how much understanding of the world that shows.
>>150496474Something similar actually happened in Silver Age where Hank sucked so bad he accidentally enlarged a random spider and a house cat and has to fight them off.>>150496439He could control Wasp's growth remotely as far back as Silver Age. He hasn't used a serum to change size for the majority of his history.
>>150494991I'm not even sure we're going to get solar or wind
>>150499879They just stopped a major new project for that in RI that was almost done, so yeah I think it's just going to collapse.
>>150497011I think they changed her a little so that she's considered Omega Level. Meaning, if she REALLY wanted to...she could end those annual hurricanes and tropical storms on the east coast.
>>150491029I don’t get it.
>>150498352Depends on who the DA and judges are of the county you're in. In a fair amount of the country perpetrators are cared for more than victims
