>one of Marvel's most recognizable characters>solo books almost never sell except for that one time Immortal Hulk was outselling BatmanIs Hulk just a character who works better in crossover/teamup comics?
>>150493079The Hulk is actually a very complex character like Batman and shines best in standalone stories
>>150493079>>solo books almost never sellHis solo was one of Marvel's currently longest running ongoings before they forced another relaunch
>>150493079>solo books almost never sell except for that one time Immortal Hulk was outselling BatmanThat was a combination of genuinely good writing and art in Hulk's book and abysmal writing in Batman's book, courtesy of Tom King.For comparison, Immortal Hulk sold around 85,000 issues per month, while Batman during that same time sold around 83,000.Compare that to Scott Snyder's Batman run which was always at or slightly above 100,000 issues per month.
>>150493209>genuinely good writing and art in Hulk's bookEwingfags need to be banned from this site.Or every single imageboard, let them all fuck off to reddit.
>>150493079he does work better with others but, as with anything, you need a decent writerfor a solo hulk series to matter, there have to be stakes. but hulk is indestructible so i can't conceive of much tension or imagine myself ever being interested
>>150493079The Hulk was one of Marvel's most popular characters well into the 90s. Marvel's editorial has just been dogshit since about 1998.
>>150493079Hulk sits paradoxically between "he's a just a big dumb green dude that's boring I'm not reading this shit" and "fuck me hulk is so goddamn complicated and complex I don't wanna get into this shit". Add to that I don't know what the fuck they were trying to do with him for most of the 2010s until Immortal.
>>150493415>until ImmortalEwing's entire approach is "make Hulk more needlessly complicated than he needs to be". Ewing was most certainly not helping with the "they have no idea what to do with the character" perception.
>>150493461>Ewing's entire approach is "make Hulk more needlessly complicated than he needs to be".He simplified the fuck out of Hulk and basically made a bible people can point to about the character and his history and tackle a lot of his perso>Ewing was most certainly not helping with the "they have no idea what to do with the character" perception.Pretty sure that's done by turning him into a fucking spaceship
>>150493079He's a bad character.
>>150493486>the retarded green door bullshit >doubling down on all the terrible and already overly complicated decisions of the 2010s such as gamma mutate BettyNah.
>>150493079Anyone else disappointed in PKJ’s run? The art is amazing but that’s literally it, even from the start before he came it was just powerscaling slop, especially now with TOBA being hurt by an upcoming villain. I dunno it pretty much just shits on all the new lore Ewing set up in Immortal imo, you don’t even have to be a powerscaler to know that TOBA or TOAA being hurt is fucking retarded
>>150493527>>>the retarded green door bullshit It was to explain why the characters kept coming back. Recovery room in hospitals have green doors. Green signifies wellness, health and calm.>>doubling down on all the terrible and already overly complicated decisions of the 2010s such as gamma mutate BettyHarpy is from the fucking 60s
>>150493553>It was to explain why the characters kept coming backAnd it's fucking retarded. All you need is "gamma powers come with a healing factor" instead of fucktarded Ewing trash. That worked for Green Goblin and Purple Man and nobody needed further explanations.>HarpyLasted for whole two issues and wasn't a status quo for the character.
>>150493079Because there's only so much you can do with a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde ripoff. Peter David revitalized the character with the re-introduction of Grey Hulk and then the whole merged Hulk deal, but it's all been downhill since then. Every time Banner makes peace with his alters, some kind of retarded bullshit happens that makes them hate each other again.
>>150493079>Green with red eyes and veinsLooks good.
He peaked with Ang Lee's Hulk
>>150493530I think it's alright. TOBA was already slop so I don't really care about that. Charlie just abruptly exiting the story was kinda weird though.
>>150493079His 70s live action show ran for 80s episodes and 5 TV movies, plus he was the second Marvel character to get a crossover with DC (Hulk vs Batman which came after the Spider-Man/Superman crossover), so someone clearly liked him
>>150493579That's because Joe was in control and he's the red Hulk now.
>>150493286I'm sorry his beliefs make you cry
>>150493665>let me talk about retarded politics out of nowhere, because nobody could just ever think Ewing is a bad writer. N-nooo you all have some agendaFuck off to /pol/. You American retards, both leftards and rightcucks, ruin every single thread. I hope you all get cancer.
>>150493665I agree with most of his political views I just think awkwardly shoving jewish mysticism into everything and scrounging the wiki for ideas is really hacky.
Found my post from almost two months ago.Now shut the fuck up.
>>150493079Ah yes because popularity=quality
>>150493736Bunn's not that bad. His Venom was better than Ewing's is.
>>150493553Dude, it's fucking comicbooks. You can literally come back through the most stupidest shit ever. Fucking Robot chicken even called it out. The Green Door is just another thing to make things more complicated than it needs to be. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn5K9S3kNo4
>>150493079>Gets lectured about toxic masculinity in hell by a black womanImmortal Hulk fucking sucked
>>150493681I'm not American thankfully and usually whenever I've seen someone bitch about Immortal Hulk in threads it was 8/10 times cause they got upset at whatever politics it brought up instead of any actual narrative issues they had, how Hulk is made more supernatural instead of science focused or characterisation. The only genuine criticism I usually see pop up is in regards to thoughts on the half starting at the Roxxon arc, which I personally enjoy since Xemnu and Minotaur are great villains plus nice to see the U-Foes get to do anything and I like the parallels made by the Hulk with the Fantastic Four regarding Cosmic rays and Gamma energy.
>>150493736What actually makes the book bad to you then beyond apparently just using things in the setting?
>>150493918That's exactly why he's mad tho. The trans woman and the black lady. He'll continue dancing around the truth of it as if he's some master of wit, whimsy and coy but at the end of the day a hit dog will holler.
>>150493944I'll never get this, you're on 4chan just fucking say what you want to say instead of doing all this faggy dancing around. Look here, I like Immortal and even I have some criticisms>The team up with Namor went nowhere, he shows up impies some big stuff in the future and it just gets dropped>The entire "Hulk destroys Capitalism" arc gets fucking dropped and completely forgotten>The body swap between Sasquatch and Samson is promptly forgottenBook is filled with dropped plot threads
>>150493944I'll give some slight benefit of the doubt that perhaps that's not why Al Ewing gets him in a wobbly since I despise Bendis for how he treats characters like utter shit or puts absurd bias towards ones he likes that aren't even that great and his wank storylines that he thinks are super fresh like the Hood organising supervillains when Doctor Octopus and Baron Zemo did that since the 60's as opposed to his beliefs which i don't give a shit for since I don't get fussed over politics if a story is good or handles them well even if they aren't mine what little I have. Hell despite his progressive attempts Bendis has a massive "problematic" streak with writing mental illness and treatment of fictional woman ironically. Though I can't think of anything Ewing has done that's as egregious as Bendis since most know about Ewing is his Immortal Hulk/Thor, Venom and some Avengers stuff with Voyager.
>>150494046Since I'm also on the liked Immortal Hulk train plus since I made the cheap bait post, I'll say my actual criticism is mainly that I think how aggressive the Avengers are portrayed is something not big on despite the Hulk being at odds with several superheroes is a common enough thing and that yeah Samson/Sasquatch does kind of lead to nothing even in Gamma Flight if I recall. Also I think that despite how well a lot of the classic/returning villains and supporting cast are handled that most of the new characters debuting in the run I don't care for.
>>150493079Immortal Hulk is kinoHulk books have some good runs in this century
>>150494108Also has a pretty great video game, honestly a new gen Hulk game would be a lot of fun especially if you have some boss fights with the likes of Xemnu, The U-Foes, Absorbing Man and the Wrecking Crew.
>>150493079Hulk honestly works best as a tragic antagonist, uncontrollable even by his alter-ego
>>150493944I didn't like- dropped plotlines that made the whole narrative feel like it's missing entire issues (anti-capitalist Hulk thread, body swap of Sasquatch/Samson, etc)- overreliance on grotesque stuff (instead of shocking it becomes trite and kinda meh)- Avengers being treated like a bunch of retards (yes it's explained kinda but still feels cringy)- Betty is just boring as all fuck and her ME MONSTER TOO! THIS IS WHO I AM! narrative just feels like a waste of time and space- some fights are too quick and abrupt (Xemnu being folded like a lawn chair for example)Trans scientist was pretty cute tho, definitely would.
>>150494108Nah not really. Also the cape comics that switched to digital look so fucking plastic. I miss traditionally drawn capes before they became capeshit.
>>150494337I hate it when traditional or new capeshit trace backgrounds. Sure it saves time, but at that point the price should drop.
>>150493079Honestly theres not too much you can do with a solo Hulk that hasn't been done before, he works far better as a foil to other heroes be it against them or in teams.
>>150493079>Beating a Tom King bookThat's the equivalent of beating up a disabled child who claims to be Batman.
>>150494603Half of that is because the obvious directions to take, grow either Banner as a person or Hulk as a person, would be immediately reverted to get the basic jekyll/hyde dynamic ready for the next writer. And those rare times it's not, they just retcon it as another Banner alter, just like what happened with Joe Fixit/Professor/Green Scar. Shit sucks.
>>150494657well yeah, its the nature of endless comics. always need to revert to status quo.
>>150494657yeah the status quo will forever stop everyone from taking Hulk anywhere, he's too iconic for Marvel ever allow to be changed in the comics, and he will never get any solo movies or shows so thats a dead end too.
>>150494694nta but the status quo hurts Hulk more than others, for example Captain America is always gonna be the American soldier out of time but he can still grow and change, or how Batman is still the dark knight but writers can still take him on widely different adventurers and character developments, Hulk only has one real direction and thats trying get Bruce mental health but that would involve actually changing the character permanently
sometimes I forget this isn't 4chan, it's /co/mblr. the shoehorned in politics are retarded, but they're not why I dropped the series.the journalist was a good inclusion at first because she gave a more grounded perspective on the hulk and his impact on normal people's lives. then she tried lecturing the fucking hulk about anger, and tagged along like a sidekick into places she had no business being so the author could keep a convenient mouthpiece around. I truly stopped giving a shit and dropped it when the story timeskipped to the end of the fucking universe and there was an entire issue about space jellyfish people and their relationship troubles
Hulk is one of those characters that's really easy to fuck up when you try to go deeper with him as a character and are too stupid to know how to do it right.
Could Planet Hulk have been a definitive "ending" for Bruce?
>>150495067That or Immortal
>>150494694Oh it is, but it's not any less bullshit, especially for a series about Banner/Hulk. Cause the only other alternative is have him as like this eternal hobo lurking from place to place and witnessing all kinds of weird bullshit, and while I wouldn't mind that so much it's kind of hard to top him doing that with actual planets after that Crossroads storyline
>/co/ntrarians are now saying Immortal Hulk is bad
>>150493918See, retard. That's the problemDoes Ewing ever do anything remotely interesting with characterizations or stories? Oh no, he doesn't. It's the exact same thing we've been getting for years, but much worse.His writing is as white-bread as it comes. Memberberries is literally all he has going for his stories to trick you into thinking there's any effort. It's not that just his Hulk is bad, all of his comics are equally bad bland slop with no real significance.And his original ideas are fucking godawful as I already specified right here >>150493527But sure, like the rest of you retards I should be so impressed by cringeworthy "body horror". I'm sure I'm gonna have to convince myself that this book that it's actually so much better than Alan Moore's Swamp Thing like the rest of you retarded Ewingfag lot.>>150493944Get cancer, you permabutthurt seething retard. Nobody's impressed by you playing some kind of self-righteous crusader, assigning motivations that aren't there just so you could feel better about yourself.Again, retard. Not an American. I am not as tranny-obsessed as you faggots are, in either direction.I hope you and Russia go all out at it in a nuclear war and both die, by the way.
>>150493079Yeah so
>you should never be critical of daddy Ewing, because the shills and retards in storytime threads weren't
>>150495403Plenty of people had valid(and some less valid) complains for it back in 2021 after it finished.
>>150495460>Petulant child crying and still being vague over actual criticisms Not American. Sure.
>>150495493>these criticisms are not criticismsTypical Ewing cocksuckers. If you want "actual criticisms", Ewing would learn to have to have actual meat to his writing. But I guess you retards substitute lore-destroying contributions and retcons such as "Hulk is actually magical" for quality writing and "fresh new takes".Spiderfags have more self-respect than you do, at least they generally hate totem slop and Mephisto. You fags see Ewing do the exact same thing to Hulk lore and ask for more shit on your plate. And even then JMS could write characters better than Ewing ever could.>cryingIronic when your first response is to cry about "muh trannies" out of nowhere, like a standard /pol/-brained moron you are. Or are you made you're getting insulted? How about you learn to not be a dickwad if you want a non-aggressive discussion. Seems like your amerilard parents didn't teach you that because they were too busy hiding the fact that your father was also your mother's brother from the rest of your inbred family.
>>150495482I don't think it was the best thing ever but it was a hell of a lot better than dumb shit like Kluh or Spaceship Hulk. I don't even recall another story major story arc post 00s outside of maybe Planet Hulk that was worthwhile.
>>150495619Which I think is kind of a shame because I do like the reimagining of the Devil Hulk beyond just being a one-off evil alter. It definitely wasn't done perfectly, but Devil Hulk being a psychopathic and violent father/guardian figure that has a semi-hostile relationship with Banner because of Banner's own dark impression of David Banner made so much sense. Just a shame that they threw in so much other shit into the book that was cool on paper but became such a massive mess by the end.
>>150495403It was always bad. The mainstream push that it was ever good managed to convince the desperate, but I actually read that turd.
>>150493681The audacity to screech about le /pol/ while you bring up politics totally unprompted. You fucking euroshitter animal. Get cancer and die.
>>150496552>totally unprompted>response to some retard bringing up Ewing's politics over criticism that had nothing to do with itYour gaslighting doesn't work when everybody who isn't 60IQ (aka smarter than you) can easily scroll up, subhuman.Hope your whole family gets cancer and you have to watch them all die and then you commit suicide, "human" garbage.
>>150496247Comic "critics" are just the worst.They always drum up hype for some mediocre slop because they're paid to do so comic books are in such horrible condition, they have to find something positive to talk about and hype mediocre shit to high heaven.It's why the likes of Snyder are such "icons"
>>150493530PKJ has never written a good comic so I knew not to expect anything.
>>150493079Ewing was the first time anyone knew what to do with him post World War. Armored skinhead Hulk from All-New forward had fuck all to do. He really got screwed by the rise of the MCU for some reason.
Hulk is my favorite CapeKINO character. He is really fun to to read and he had some great runs. Hoping for a new game soon.
>>150493286Contrarianfags need to be banned from this site. Every fucking time>um actually popular thing? It’s BAD
>>150493079Outside of Spider-Man does any Marvel book sell really well unless under special circumstances? Hell, outside Spider-Man and X-Men does ANY Marvel book sell really well outside special circumstances?
>>150496842>let me have my little circlejerk with no dissenting ways, wish I could downvote you into oblivion for saying mean things about muh Ewing ;_;As I said, Reddit is that way.
>>150496842And then they never actually explain why when you ask them to.They'll simply screech "check in the archives! I already said it a billion times!" like this isn't an anonymous website or something.
>MUH CAWTWAWIANSReddit-tier buzzword
>>150493736>screencapping your own post>screencapping your own post from months agoOh my god dude
>>150496895>he criticized Ewing? must be he's le heckin MAGA strawman seething over muh trannies>how dare you make a screenshot instead of putting any effort of writing out the same shit you did a month ago?Oh my god dude
>>150496860And grindr’s that way, faggot
>>150496920Where did I mention MAGA? And like another anon mentioned this is an anonymous board no one cares about your specific opinion so you don’t need to mention it in every thread. Screenshotting your own post is a step below namefagging
>>150496963>no one cares about your specific opinionThen don't make posts like these in response to somebody criticizing Ewing, >>150493665 you fucktarded self-righteous pompous cunt. Shove your moronic posturing up your ass and kill yourself.>i-it wasn't meDon't care, you're defending it.>wahh my screenshottingI don't give a fuck, seethe about it. Hope it helps you develop cancer and die.
>>150493079There have been only 3 writers that understood how to write Hulk stories and what makes him interesting.
>>150497078Englehart, Mantlo and David
>>150493079I miss Joe
>Spider-Man was bitten by a magical totemic spider because it was fate>NOOO THAT'S STUPID>Wolverine is actually a descendant of mythological Romulus>NOOO THAT'S STUPID>Punisher is not just a normal guy with a gun and military experience but some kind of 90s Spawn wannabe except angelic instead of demonic>NOOO THAT'S STUPID>Hulk is not just a gamma mutate with a powerful healing factor but a supernatural being because muh TOBA muh Green Door>BASED EWING MAKING THINGS LESS COMPLEX
>>150497203David, Pak, Ewing
>>150497451HOLY KEK!
>>150497032Goddamn anon if black and trans people existing make you seethe this much you need therapy
>>150497538Or maybe not-mes should just stop not being me.
>>150493079Hulk is based.
>>150497325Well yeah, Peter for instance was never connected to the mystical side of marvel. Hulk meanwhile had the connection because of the man or monster theme having him fight monsters made of science and those dating back to the mythological age and shared villains with Thor and Strange.
>>150493079why does he look like Bane now
>>150496842>Contrarianfags need to be banned from this siteanon they comprise of 90% of the site, that would basically kill it for go—you know what I'm onboard
>>150498135He did have that connection, when you use vague criteria like "sharing Strange and Thor villains". (which every hero probably did at some point. Spider-Man certainly fought Doctor Strange and Thor in the past)Hulk was always a purely scientific horror character, he had more in common with Jekyll and Hyde or Frankenstein's monster than your average supernatural monster. The cosmic bullshit is bad and you should feel bad for supporting it. Making Hulk a magical character because Ewing wants to play an Ellis/Morrison type reinventor is stupid.
>>150498251*Doctor Strange and Thor villains
>>150496857Marvel has continually outsold DC since 2010. Yes, Batman might be the number-one best seller every month, but literally everything else sells like toxic waste. Marvel, comparatively, is more even across the board, so it's overall sales are higher.
>>150498142It's Joe hopped up on cosmic rays.
>>150493079Hulk is a fucking hard character to write for.Anon, come up with three story arcs for Hulk now. They have to be good, don't retread all ground, and keep a series going for at least a year (12 issues). I'll be waiting.
>>150497032Lmao you are so mad over my dumb low effort post
