>Brubaker resurrects Bucky>he's now an ebin assassin that everyone fears>and he's also been involved with every single assassination that went down after WW2>and he was also Nat's first and best love>retcons upon retcons of him being connected to literally every single important person that was alive before the sliding timescale present>but he's heckin brainwashed and so he's freed by the mindcontrol>becomes Cap for a while>has been treading water ever since thenI think we can all agree that bringing Bucky back was a mistake in the long run. The first story was a genuine curveball, but the character has had literally nothing to do since then. He'd never replace Cap permanently, and now Sam is the 2nd Cap for DEI points. So what does Bucky actually do? He's just another assassin, except now he fucks Nat instead of Tony. He gets to have "boys nights" with Fury and the rest. But the character is literally an empty vessel, he serves no function on any level.You know what I think would've been an actually better character arc? Him being a willing Winter Soldier.>inb4 REEEEEE muh character assassinationOh get over yourselves. Bucky was a nothingburger sidekick. When Brubaker made him Cap he utterly ruined Zemo's decades-long progression to push his self-insert. For my money, Cap finding out that his old friend had turned would've been a far bigger gut-punch and allowed for better stories down the line. It's the same thing they did with Todd over Hush and then didn't follow through with. Bucky turning for ideological reasons and becoming a bold new bad guy would've been far more interesting. No, seriously, I want a single Bucky/WS fan to tell me why he exists right now. Because I can't think of a single one. I guess they wrote out 616 Fury, SHIELD's no more, and so Bucky is the resident old-man spy? That was just Logan's schicht that they rehashed, nothing new or interesting. He's just there to fuck Widow and talk to Cap from time and... nothing else, really.
>>150493432The problem is these comics keep going forever. Someone comes up with a good idea, but editors and later writers are tasked with picking up the pieces and fumble it terribly.Also, what purpose does Cap serve right now?
>>150493524>Also, what purpose does Cap serve right now?Avengers leader and superhero moral standard, as always. I get your point about the vast majority of these characters not serving any role at this point, but there are some who are derivatives of derivatives who have only one story and then they stuck around doing nothing but just bloat everything. Any modern Bucky story could be a Fury, Logan or even Punisher story.
>>150493432No, you’re wrong. /Thread
>>150493432>and he's also been involved with every single assassination that went down after WW2To be fair, Bendis was doing retarded retcons for all characters, not just Bucky.Remember when he made Wolverine a pedophile because he didn't understand how young Squirrel Girl was?
>>150493432>He's just there to fuck Widow and talk to Cap from time and... nothing else, really.What more do you need?
This thread reminded the Byrne run of She Hulk in the 80.Jen was dead for a couple of hissues and Bucky was dead too in his side kick costume.They retconned that story or it was Just ignored?
>>150493710Based
>>150493432Jason Todd is in a somewhat similar situation where the writer who penned up Under The Hood pretty much omitted his prior character and did a 180 of who he was last time we saw him.
>>150493432>Him being a willing Winter SoldierThat's basically how I know him because I was first introduced to him through Ultimate Alliance gameAlways thought it's weird how he doesn't have this characterization anywhere else, but has it in a game that was otherwise pretty loyal to comic book characterizations.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxy4M7yXs0Y
>>150495529That story also has Green Goblin, so it's probably just ignored.
>>150493432>Bucky was a nothingburger sidekickI was with you until this. Kill yourself.
>>150496395Cap...
>>150495397Widow being pared with a better character
>>150495529Dead people aren't really dead all the time.
>>150493432>he utterly ruined Zemo's decades-long progressionCharacter fags are a plague to cape comics.
>>150496971>consoomer actually likes soap opera status quo slopHoooly shit
>>150496635Why should she?Black Widow is an utterly shitty character.>muh generic dark past spy backstory>generic stoic but good personality>generic shoot shoot/martial arts chick>boring design>really fucking boring villainsShe may just be a step above somebody like Jessica Jones or America Chavez, but that ain't saying much.
>>150497422Snapdragon and Iron Maiden both found use with others, so there isn't something wrong with her enemies, just a lack of use.
>>150497082>soap opera status quo slopwhat the fuck do you actually expect of DC/Marvel superhero comics if not that? You know it's not going to change even after those characters pass into public domain
>>150497464>SnapdragonLast time Snapdragon was used, it was one of the shittiest books I have ever read (Bendis' Moon Knight) and she was a terrible character.I'd say there's plenty wrong with her.Nobody cares about Iron Maiden.
>>150496971Characterfags are the reason for cape comics. They are a plague to the comics medium.
>>150493432Bucky being involved with a million assassinations was dumb af, campy comic shit. However, the idea of him operating for year in the shadows is cool af. But I agree that Bucky is pretty much useless after the Winter Soldier arc. Honestly, he should have been killed off and that was that. Cool character, but not worth dragging around for years.
>>150497494Fun fact: Bendis only brought Snapdragon back (and explicitly stated that it was the character and not someone new in her costume) because he was eternally butt hurt at fans for shitting on him for Willy nilly resurrecting dead characters like Cutthroat and Jason Macendale and doing so simply because he could and Tom Brevoort being too much of a sissy coward to stop him.
>>150497422people say this shit but ignore that ahe's 1/2 of the overarching spy archetype that lives in pop culture
>>150498856That's because people say that because they don't actually read comics. Did you notice how generic that guy's complaints were?
>>150498856So fucking what, you mong?She's still a shit character.>>150498889>genericWow, exactly like Black Widow's comics. You can spare me your faggy "muh casuals" outrage, you pompous cunt. All Black Widow comics are the same, which is why she was always either a team character or a part of anthology books, with more interesting characters carrying her.But if you really want to to posture over>dull spy slop about Black Widow fighting the bad soviet guy #274735253452then go ahead, make a clown out of yourself further.
>>150499056>generic wall of text rebuttallollooks like I hit a nerve
>>150499215>hit a nerveIf you mean came off as an annoying retard trying to stroke your little dick, sure.All you achieved is making yourself look like a retard in the process, so good job I guess.
>>150496264I thought Jason was angry asshole Robin before he died, then angry asshole vigilante-guy when he returned?
>>150499407Nah, Jason was a good kid with an edge on account of losing his family and growing up on the streets, but was otherwise a normal kid. It wasn’t until Jim Starlin became writer that Jason became edgier to turn the readers on him. UTRH never addressed them and just made Jason a terrible character.
>>150495529as revealed in Hercules the underworld arc. dead heroes are dead in the underworld and gambling for a resurrection as shown by janet van dyne on panel winning a resurrection as her slot machine pays out. she was dead. the circumstances of her resurrection then altered the fact she was dead. this was after she died in secret invasion
>>150499742For me, the problem with Red Hood is that he's bringing attention to how retarded Batman's no-kill-rule is. Batman's too mired in status quo to meaningfully reflect on this, so it rings hollow and never will lead to any kind of meaningful or satisfying payoff or character development for either of them. So you just have this character who constantly focuses your attention on something that's best ignored.
>>150499742does that just mean they were taking their cues from the Starlin version?
>>150493432>The first story was a genuine curveball, but the character has had literally nothing to do since then.I don't like the first story either. Brubaker's writing is so unfocused and all over the place.>No, seriously, I want a single Bucky/WS fan to tell me why he exists right now.It's an extremely popular ship among fujos who don't read comics.
>>150493432>kill Nomad to bring back Bucky and turn him into basically NomadBrubaker could have spent some time rehabing Jack instead of killing him and we'd all be better off for it. Jack was a better Bucky than Bucky too.
>>150499911>For me, the problem with Red Hood is that he's bringing attention to how retarded Batman's no-kill-rule is. Pretty much. UTRH brings attention to the no-kill rule’s flaws, but doesn’t actually do anything about it, and in turn, it makes Jason Todd look like a complete failure while discarding Jason’s more genuine grievances while also absolving Bruce Wayne of any wrongdoing doing.>>150499998Nah, a complete 180 of Starlin’s take. In 1988, the readers of Batman were sheep who fell for Starlin’s trick because he knew that they viewed disagreeing with Batman as being worse than Hitler. In the modern age, we can see that Bruce actually failed Jason as a father figure, let alone never actually knowing what did happen to Jason. But Winick did not care about this and just wanted an evil Robin, so he made Jason evil.
>>150499911That's why everyone is under the impression that Jason was originally suppose to actually die at the end of UTRH. It would have tied everything together. >Bruce really DOES value the No-Kill Rule more than his own sons>Joker now knows this, too>Jason is back to being dead and the rawness of his failure would have tied much better into Bruce's rejection of working with other superheroes than the idiocy of Identity Crisis and his willingness to redo his Year of Training with the boys to be a better Batman.
Jason Todd literally should have become the globetrotting Batman who Kills that DC could sic on villains they were tired of having around.Bucky Barnes should have become S.H.E.I.L.D.'s Captain America: a covert agent used to infiltrate secret organizations to kill their members/leaders; even if its American based.
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>>150501154It's okay, champ. Many subliterate people get unreasonably frustrated when they have to read more than a few words at a time. You don't have to be ashamed of your learning disability.
>>150501064No, the reality is that Judd Winick read HUSH and wanted to do Batman vs. Evil Robin, not realizing Fake Jason wasn’t supposed to be the real Jason, just a obstacle to through Batman off his game.
>>150493432He should be White Wolf and go do superhero shit, get him the fuck away from the spy shit
>>150493432Nah he's cool. They should've never resurrected Steve. Bucky's never recovered along with the rest of the universe after the Marvel NOW! relaunch.
>>150501816>White Wolfthe Black Panther villain?
