Brutal. Just simply brutal.
Great example on how small changes can ruin a character design, looks like the animation was originally gonna be more expressive too.
>>150502721inb4 beanmouth isn't real
>>150502749Is it true what they say about rigged animation?
>>150502721
>>150502749Nta but here's concept art Claudette
>>150502721The Illumination GrinchFinal product looks too soft, cutesy, and clean despite being the fucking Grinch, how do you fuck up a design that badly.
Twitter thread
I can tell this thread will largely be full of cartoons from the 2010s onwards.
>>150502721i like the mouse
>>150503041Any 3D animated film in general looks completely neutered compared to their concept art
>>150502721Victor and Valentino
>>150502941the concept art process goes through dozens of revisions by many different artists i'm guessing the boy and girl were always meant to be sorta generic arch types of a boy and a girl but dog, cat, mouse and cheese all became something very different
>>150503107Stfu tranny
Powerpuff Girls 2016 was originally gonna look more faithful to the original series
>>150503144At least they didn't give Valentino that fugly nose.
Someone show the image of the white chick from Princess and the Frog with a potbelly.
>>150503235
>>150502721This is genuinely upsetting. What the fuck other explanation is there than "they forced the CalArts style" on this show?
>>150503291The clenching of the hands around the belly and the smug smile are what do it for me.
We were robbed
>>150503148Thanks anon. The reason I made that post was to ask what this project ultimately became, but a grainy jpeg doesn't look like the best method of seeking clarification, apparently
>>150502721RIP Cheese’s knife
>>150503131I own the Encanto Disney 100 year anniversary edition, and its surprising how that 2D art makes Mirabel look like an actual teenager instead of someone who looks to be on her mid 30s.
>literally every concept design looks better than the final productHow the fuck does that happen??
>>150503131>>150503579Why does Disney still use that generic ass artstyle? In a post Hotel Transylvania and Spiderverse world they have the perfect technology to make their animation more exaggerated or stylized.That generic ass Disney style seen in all their final products is the real Calarts Style that John K hated, not beanmouth, but instead shit attempts at replicating classic Disneys artstyle.
>>150503572The older designs had far more personality that actually fucking told us about the characters, cheese for example you can tell is ditzy, the final product doesn’t tell us anything but "girl"
>>150503647To honor Glen Keane’s beautiful Wife
>>150503579THANK YOU
>>150503647Jennifer LeeThat being said, Paperman's visual are similar to spider-verse and that was made back in 2012, so it's not like Disney can't make unique animation while still keeping the same character designs, Wish tried that but it looked unfinished because it didn't commit.
>>150503647My problem with Disneys 3D artstyle is that it’s just a watered down version of their Disney Renaissance artstyle, which was already a slightly less good version of their classic style.The Disney renaissance films had tons of wacky and exaggerated motions, look at Hercules for example, that film had tons of unique character designs with exaggerated features as well as expressive animation and a even a few brief wild takes, you don’t see them attempting that shit in 3D
The calarts disease has hit another victim
>>150504115I don't know who this guy is but I am still mad how much personality they removed from the kid from Strange World.
>>150502721The cheese is actually super hot and shes voiced by Blaze's voice actorAnd she canonically braps
>>150504188>that cheese that looks like a rejected Gumball character is sexyThe consequences of not mentally maturing past your horny teen phase
>>150504188This is you're brain on coom gentlemenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FtNm9CgA6U
>>150503041I wish Illumination Onceler looked like its concept art so we wouldn’t get that annoying ass sexyman shit
>>150504219Is that... scientifically possible? Because it would make a lot of sense if my brain was the same as it was as when I was a horny 14 year old lol
The Emoji Movie
>>150502721cheese is a little gir now, therefore it's good.
>>150504219Jealous.
Not certainly a downgrade but recently discovered that an upcoming disney show called Dragon Strikers has been in developent for a long time going from various concepts.Some of the designs ideas for the main characters were kino (which is something that the studio behind it, chouettecie is known for), but i like what they are now.Here is a folder of what i found so far:>https://catbox.moe/c/pox9q6(if images are broken is because i have a shit ton of images put in my catbox account for a reason)
>>150504188>t.Wallace
>>150504405Maybe this would’ve started another genre
>>150503148Beanmouth is never an artists idea, only executives
>>150504188You’re a low IQ retard
>>150504140Still upsets me to no end.
>>150502749>>150502959>Wabbit could have actually been pleasant to look atThe more you know. I wonder if Be Cool Scooby Doo looked any better in the concept phase
>>150503041>illuminationthat's how
>>150504405it was a step in the right direction but he quite literally looks like gru's dog
Guarantee you Sandler had it as a rider that Drac had to look like him in a vampire costume. Seriously, hire real VA's and not liabilities who can potentially ruin your franchise with a dumb tweet.
Anyone got that comparison of the Producing Parker animatic to the final animation? That was a huge fucking downgrade.
>>150502721>we could've had a thicc evil queen for Snow White
>>150505483woah woah woah were did that come from dude, i said i thought a cartoon cheese was hot i didn't insult your religion and by the way afaik my iq is 120 with a 1370 SAT score
>>150506541The one instance I actually prefer the final version.
What the fuck IS IT that every concept art of a show made in the last 30 years completely mogs the shit out of the final product?>muh animation difficulty>muh production costLOVE DEATH + ROBOTS and Rings of Power exist faggot. Neither are an excuse. This is corporate-grade board room certified executive order retardation of an otherwise high-yield creative medium.
>>150505226Had this happen to me when I was doing character art for some youtube channel. Always wanted it in "my style" until they got it. It was such a waste of time. If they want the artist to follow a style guide, just give them the fucking style guide.
>>150505196looks super cool!
>>150506292IMO is it bad that I prefer the final product more, I feel like the final design allows for more expressive movements and fits the films goofier artstyle more.
>>150506292The studio would do it all on their own for marketing purposes, 50/50 chance lead final designs take influence from the actor reference even if it looks worse
>>150502721How the fuck?
>>150503041Why are his teeth still pearly white in the concept art?
>>150502797The original style is debatably beanmouth. Beanmouth isn't the issue, the issue is that whoever is giving these guys money told them that they needed to make the designs highly generic and without SOVL so they could easily market to children or whatever.
>>150506223Sadly, Be Cool Scooby Doo was gonna look like that from the start
>>150503131every single art of frozen is better than the final design, it's horrifictangled- i think the move away from rembrant rendering to a more generic style ultimately served the new tone of the film, but i wish they'd gone with a different dress for punzel
The Wylde Pak guys were also beanmouthed
>>150507284Don’t be ridiculous style guides are dead in our modern animation industry, now we have "strictly on model" guides
Not exactly the same but Producing Parker had some talented artists drawing really expressive storyboards, but the final product was farmed out to the Philippines for animating and the result is a lot worse looking.
>>150505863True. Especially for Wish, which removed a Twink Star Boy in favor of a wannabe Luma because Disney want the Super Mario audience in addition to the hardcore Disney audience.
>>150503144You could post any of Fabien's work honestly. Guy does amazing shit and I don't think anything he's worked on has done it justice except maybe that fighting girl show.
>>150508740>Zoinks scoob, this is worse than the time I forgot how to sit down
>>150503616The journey from concept art to the final product isn't about making it look better per se, but more about making it easier for animators to work with.
>>150503616It happens extremely frequently, and the obvious answer is that it's easier to draw a single appealing sketch than it is to draw a complete turn-around/model sheet for use in actual animation where things like budgets and deadlines exist.Additionally, most of those concepts, had they been "chosen" would have likely been proportionally neutered. You're treating each one of these concept sketches as though an unseen model sheet for them exists. Most were never intended to be more than "hey what kind of style could we do?" spitballing, and would clash pretty hard with the show's more geometric style right out of the gate.
>>150503861>look at Hercules for exampleof course you would pick the one movie that actually attempts to actively subvert Disney's house style as much as possible.>you don’t see them attempting that shit in 3DFor the same reason you don't see 2D anymore at all—it doesn't test well. People don't want that "wacky cartoon shit", especially with 3D. The whole reason 3D supplanted 2D was because it felt more "real" and "cutting edge" to audiences compared to cartoony shit for kids. Once again, blame Shrek and Pixar for setting the standard and killing "squash & stretch"This is just the kind of retarded shit that happens in an industry where 90% of the audience doesn't actually give a fuck.
>>150504405Suess never showed his face in the original book under the assumption that readers could see the Onceler as anybody, which is kind of the whole fucking point. The 2012 remake knew that wouldn't fly because our culture had eroded to the point that increasingly compartmentalized and self-centered audiences would specifically personify the Onceler as someone they weren't so they could absolve themselves of any guilt they had and return to their mindless consumption of goods.While you could argue wether making him a generic pretty-boy was the best move or not, one thing that's for certain is that making him into some purposefully grotesque/inhuman monster would have ultimately undercut the message and it's obvious why they didn't do it.
>>150502721Thr entire show was a downgrade
>>150503187The whole purpose of the original series UPA-inspired artstyle was to make the girls look soft and cutesy to contrast with a world where everything is sharp and pointy, this reboot kills that whole idea by making the new characters look straight out of Clarence
>>150506541>>150506959The artists realized really quickly that making her beautiful but cold was better. She evolved from being fat and comical to this.
>>150502749>>150502959>A modern cartoon specifically about Bugs Bunny>The final product SCREAMS "insincerity"Sounds about right.
Surprised nobody has mentioned The NutshackThe designs weren’t really changed that much but you can tell the show ended up on a far lower budget than expected
>>150510797IT'STHENUTSACK
>>150502941Money
I've never seen any CG work that looked better than its 2D concept art.
>>150503616Animation takes time, labor, hard work, etc. Simpler art style/ design = faster or lower workload and moneg and resources spent on it.
>>150503616Number 10 is so perfect wtf
>>150508926Did Katie Rice design them? The boy basically looks like a camp weedonwantcha character.>>150509472Not even anime committees are this dense lmao, even when they are adapting manga with designs that are a pain in the ass to emulate.
>>150510737She looks hot
>>150511574But is she the fairest of them all?q
Cats (2019) wasn’t always gonna be uncanny valley mocap slop
>>150511589She dont need to be, she should have higher self esteem
Really wish they made my boy Sebastian the Crab look like a racial caricature
>>150508926I think the final product is better, but I don't actually mind this one. this feels like a webcomic or graphic novel style
>>150510797Damn, the original design was far better
>>150502721Result of Managerial bureaucrats in committees making the most conflict resolving agreeable ass covering least effort lowest rick product
>>150506231I wish we lived in the timeline where the Minions looked like this rather than some generic pill dildo creatures.
>>150513309I’d watch a Minions vs these guys movie ngl
>>150502721What the fuck
>>150513309ehhhh this is one of the few designs im actually glad they didnt go with. Current Minion designs are just too iconic.
>>150513727I can't believe I'm saying this, but the Velma show's final designs are better.
>>150509626to be fair anything storyboarded for any show animated in tweens will be miles better than the final product that relies on pre made non flexible puppets, rigs and poses
>>150514386Nah, the concept art at least actually looks cartoony and like it’s staying true to the original, Velmas final designs are just Tumblrized trash
>>150504188 Who the fuck's Blaze?
>>150505226>"original design" and "my style" look 99% similar, the biggest "change" is the poseDoesn't that kinda undermine his point? Who would be autistic enough to think he changed too much in this example?
>>150508740fuck
>>150512076The second someone somewhere in the process becomes afraid to hurt someone's feelings, the comedy is sucked out of the product. No wonder Disney feature movies haven't been funny in decades.
>>150513309These concepts always suited the original idea of the minions so much more effectively. From what I can remember there's some throwaway line in the original film that establishes they were all genetically modified corn kernels. I'd expect something like that to look alot more grotesque, even if cartoonishly so, compared to the tic tac creatures we got.Despicable Me has become the Shrek of the last 15 years, and I only point out as much because the original movie had some real heart behind it. Unfortunately that gets ripped out by the second film. There's alot they could have done to keep DM interesting, and instead they just piss away all their chances. Case in point, remember the mutant minions from the 2nd movie? Why not keep one of those guys around? They actually looked fun. Nope, they were all cured by the end of the movie. The 4th film did the same shit too by baiting viewers in with the Mega Minions and then doing nothing of remote value with them.
>>150513727>>150514386They're both shit. If they had to make a dogshit scooby doo derivative I wish they'ed have either gone the route of Mike Tyson Mysteries or picked one of the dozens of Scooby clones in the HB vault. Go fuck up Clue Crew or Goober, leave Scooby alone.
>>150514437>staying true to the originalYou cannot look me in the eye and tell me that THAT Velma looks more like the nerdy, sweater-wearing Velma we all know and love compared to Indian Velma.
>>150502721Prima was originally going to be an adult, but DiC probably told them to age her downNonetheless, the final design was much weirder due to the weirdness of a little girl hanging around 3 fatasses
>>150514386Velma's final design are suited better to be animated, but the spirit of those concept designs are still better.
>>150515269>suited better to be animatedRemember when 3D animation was the only medium of animation where characters were toned down to be animated more easily? Our industry is fucked rn
>>150514437>Velmas final designs are just Tumblrized trashThat'd be giving it too much credit. It's like a Tumblrized version of the Family Guy style.
>>150503131The funny thing is Anna's design pretty much never changed. Elsas changed suddenly after the last minute change to turn from an antihero to the final character
>>150515479That's something that's done in all animation. The more complex it is the more time it takes to create. Things like adding shadows and highlights add several more steps to the pipeline and process for instance. A big deal is complexity of character design in terms of amount of details and difficulty of details.Take the concepts for Tiana in Princess and the Frog. The natural curls were toned down in the final model sheet because for a prominent character like her to have these curls that will be animated on 1s with follow through will take a long time to keep on model and on schedule, so she was simplified.
>>150506541Feels much more Fleischeresque here.
>>150514589the cat from sonic 06
>>150506292Hotel Transylvania would have never been made without Adam Sandler, I’m ok with the concession Drac looks like a cartoon of him.
>>150516240I can understand toning down designs for television shows, but there’s a way to do so without stripping the characters of basic cartoon appeal, Ren & Stimpy, Dexter, Chowder, the guys from Billy and Mandy, they all have simplistic designs but they manage to be appealing. Rather than just being completely beanmouthed and having the soul sucked out of them like >>150502721I feel like movies are more fitted and likely to have detailed character designs, look at the Book of Life for example
That upcoming Cat in the Hat movie could’ve looked good rather than being Grubhub slop, they couldn’t even at least give the final product the Dr. Seuss eyes
>>150513727These are significantly better and more interesting than the final versions, and also basically confirm my suspicion that they were just forced to slap an existing IP on an original pitch they had
>>150502959God I love Bob cuts
>>150503291I refuse to believe this is official
>>150515248Why the fuck does she have animal legs? Those are straight up hooves.
>concept art goes through so many changes during development>somehow always turns into the same handful of artsyles this is why artists should be at the helm instead of "show runners"
>>150505196>replace cute shotas and the goth girl with beanmouth abominationsflop incoming
>>150514837I remeber always getting pissed off in 5th grade when, whenever there was a party, one of the teachers would always put DM2 instead of any other movie
>>150513727looks pretty good, but not even a pretty design would have saved that show.
>>150510337Which is funny because people did the exact opposite thing by head cannoning him as a small bean who dindu nuffin or a sexed crazed maniac to the point people were making up Wuncest fanfics
>>150510797I miss Nutshack memes.
>>150505226Oh hey the guy with the blatant fetish character that's like the sole (hah) reason that anyone pays attention to him.
>>150508740it was a bold decision to not give velma a face
>>150517181they're not that bad tho.
>>150503705>>150503579Wait, Mirabel was supposed to be a teenager? Every shot of her in the movie makes her look like she's in her late twenties or something. Even advertisements in books or whatever. I would have never guessed she was that young. The 2d animated bit makes her look so cute and much closer to that idea.
>>150505196These honestly look pretty great. Which makes seeing this >>150517181 fucking depressing.
>>150511525okay
>>150508926Wow that's bad. An example of the final product being infinitely better.
>>150518760I mean her mom is ~50, she is the youngest of her siblings who already had gifts, and IIRC between the time Bruno left after she didn't get her gift and the main events of the movie when her cousin gets his miracle at age 5 there was a ~10 year skip, so it makes sense lore wise she is ~15.
>>150518784>>150517181See >>150518094
>>150509626The hell? She went from Caucasian to Asian.
>>150519188I did. >>150518094 this sucks. The girls on the left are ok but what the fuck happened to the rest.
>>150519246At least let's see how they look in action then.So far we got this. What i shared is a screenshot i took from the leak.
>>150513727Okay, this is terrible, but the idea of a Rasta Shaggy is actually pretty damn funny.
>>150510073>>150510148nta, but my issue is the crappy color palette they gave her. Magenta, green/lime, yellow, blue, FFS no sense of color theory
>>150519514It's bad but manages to be better than what we actually got, for what it's worth.Rasta shaggy is just the logical conclusion of the fanon that's been around him for like 60 years now.
>>150519610Exactly. If she wasn’t head to toe neon she’d look so much better.
>>150509632I think it is more likely they removed the star boy is because Disney was for a while largely against love stories for their protagonists.They also made the Queen NOT evil in the same milquetoast meaningless watered down story.
>>150520500That is odd, you'd think for a movie that is a celebration of their 100 year legacy would make Disney at least make the Star boy be an implied love interest they could develop in a future installment, even then just have the star's Luma form be his sealed form and the humanoid form be the full power form or something.
>>150520562Modern Disney is the most hidebound, risk-averse, uncreative organization in the known universe. If something is even vaguely spicy or potentially controversial they just don't want to see it.
>>150506292Cyberpunk 2077 kinda did the same thing, the "famous person gets in and suddenly a bunch of shit changes around them" thing.The game was supposed to have all these different factions and plots you can go through to encourage replayability and making the "you" YOU in the game, and development went on for a long time with more trailers and teasers showing off all these different options and so on....But then Keanu Reeves was okayed to play Silverhand in the game, and from what anyone can tell, the game's story was almost completely rewritten to force him in and force the player to interact with him.Now, you pick your faction at the beginning of the game, and that pretty much only affects the "tutorial" chapter, after which you get practically ripped into the plot by the throat against your will and are forced to ride it out whether you like it or not until 95% of the way through the game, barely able to deviate from it at all, forced to interact with Keanu at every step of the way.>>150507275Concept art is done by a few people, maybe just one, and it's a constant stream of ideas and -concepts- laid to paper to then have other people point at it and say "that's too expensive, that's too scary, that's too problematic, cut that, add this, there's not enough diversity", etc.By the time that concept reaches the people who actually make shit, it's been sanded down into a smooth, featureless shape that's "safe".Really, that's the big TL;DR: companies want "safe". They don't want "good", they don't want "memorable", they want something that appeals to as many people within their target demographics as possible.It's not about getting 10/20 kids in the focus group to cheer, it's about getting all 20 to watch the entire teaser unblinking and placid.
>>150518094>>150519188>>150519381It's shit.
>>150502721>IIT
>>150516888Yeah but that's a 3D model. It's one of the biggest strengths of 3D, since you don't have to draw, ink and color all these details and effects, you can get away production wise with concepts such as this.It's not that 2D can't do similar things but it'd have to be for a shorter segment rather than a consistent style, or for a short film.Take the firebird sequence from Fantasia 2000. It's maybe a minute if even that of this lava bird with all of its moving parts. If this was the main character in a 73 minute long feature and appearing for more than half of the run time, that film would STILL be in production right now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oKiy_L7t5w
Ultimate Spider-man when it was going to be a straight up Ultimate adaptation instead of the MCU toy commercial it became
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>>150522037
>>150522032I enjoyed the final show well enough but would have been neat having a proper Ultimate adaptation.
>>150522032>the MCU toy commercial it becameBut that show wasn't MCU related
>>150502894Explain to the folks at home what rigged animation is.
>>150522078>every character outside of Spidey was using MCU designs>was made to promote other MCU based shows like Avengers Assemble>was pushing Luke Cage and Iron Fist wich got MCU shows around the same timeit was the most obvious MCU vehicle
We can talk about designs that look worse than the concept art until the cows come home, but what about those times where the concept art was legitimately worse than what we got in the final product?
>>150522138Make a new thread for that.
>>150515248With the final design, you can at least acuse the Sumos as child molesters
>>150502721Nah. Cheese's final design was a thousand times better than whatever that gross thing was supposed to be
>>150522307>gross thingGuess being a zoomer raised on beanmouth shit really does damage to your perception on good character design
>>150522332>The chewed-up piece of cheese that looked like a SpongeBob ripoff is peak design. They really should have kept all the flies, too, to really showcase how stinky she is. You to much of a zoomer to appreciate true art. Are you for real?
>>150522362Anon the first design has basic appeal and actually tells us about the character, the final design is just generic token girl, retard.
>>150503861>they don’t try that shit in 3dHave you seen Toy Story? Or does that not count as Disney
>>150522376You can tell she's likely a SpongeBob knockoff that smells like shit just by looking at them. Also, the one the OP is is a somewhat bad example here's one that highlights their personality more.
>>150522531I dont care, beanmouth shit is still cancer and still looks worse than the concept art, go back to watching your Canadian beanslop shows anon
>>150522403The first few Pixar films, Toy Story, it’s sequel, A Bugs Life, Monsters Inc, they all had plenty of exaggerated and cartoony movements, even if they were held back by the technology at the time. Those kinds of movements became lost overtime as the studio began to lean more into realism, their current films animation is just the 3D equivalent to generic Disney character acting. I wish they’d just make a stylized film that isn’t beanmouth Grubhub slop.
>>150518094this isn't beanmouth anymore (you) >>150517181 what the fuck are you talking about?
>>150520977>I'm Implicitly 'Tarded
>>150502941The final product is cheaper to animate
>>150510737I couldn't explain why but this feels "modern" for 1937?
>>150522675Inside out characters are pretty expressive
Every concept design for Shark Tale looks leagues better than the ugly shit we got.
>>150524285he still was going to look like Will Smith bruh
>>150505226>why two earsnigga how many ears do YOU have?!
>>150524377Yeah but it looks far more appealing, that kind of design was impossible to translate into 3D with the technology at the time without looking awful.
>>150522037Ugh. What kind of faggot would wear someone else's dog tags? I don't even wear my own, only wore them in the army because it was compulsory.
>>150524120Something about that dudes face, specifically the eyes, definitely has a modern quality to it
>>150503579>the Encanto Disney 100 year anniversary editionThe what?
>>150503705>see-through skirt
>>150525859https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Encanto-4K-Blu-ray/329849/
>>150502721IIT?
>>150502721>this is a real showwtf I thought this was like a parody of how concept art changes, jesus christ
>>150508926Concept art Lily has Molly McGee eyes.
>>150522079If you do this for everything I say I'm leavingI honestly don't have a great explanation, I was hoping someone somewhere had one. It's like a step above Flash where instead of doing it frame-by-frame you have 2D rigs of the characters and shitIt's always consistent in proportions and stuff but it looks stiff and lifeless, like the new season of Penis and Perv vs the old ones from 2007I feel like I'm either grossly simplifying it or dead wrong but it's hard to find anything not related to actual Flash animation or 3D rigging
>>150522619Take off your nostalgia glasses Gramps.
>>150526871Stfu shittertroon
>>150526532>>150502894>Mrenter-tier "I have a shit eye for distinguishing frame-by-frame from rigging"Wabbit is frame-by-frame you fucking moron.
>>150510797>IT'S THE NUTSHACK could've been good
>>150525971It's actually just the animator drawing the legs fully through to help out with the connections. They probably animated her first without the dress since the dress follows the rest of the body.
