so whats the verdict
>>150506603Oh what? The comic is great. The movie is... fine. It's decent and there's a lot to like, great theme score. But it just cut out a lot of material from the book to focus on the more actiony bits which I think made for a weaker story. I know 12 issues is a lot to pack into the 70 odd minutes but maybe it'd have worked better as a mini series, or if they broke it in two like they would later do some films. It's a decent watch but I think the other Superman animated movies were better.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EphFQelYhp8Wonderful theme though.
>>150506655>But it just cut out a lot of material from the book to focus on the more actiony bits which I think made for a weaker story.They've done several two parter batwank movies, this easily could have either been a mini-series or a two-parter (ditto New Frontier).It was one thing when these movies were designed to be the Saturday night movie showcase on CN, but that hadn't been a thing once Timm had essentially been shoved out and Andrea Romano retired, or about 2013 when they started wasting money and energy on the New 52 movies.
>>150506603No verdict seeing as I haven't read it yet.
>>150506603the comic is one of the best superman books out there. the movie is okay but it cuts out too much from the comic.all-star superman would worked better if they adapted it as a TV show rather than a movie.>>150508394the new 52 movies are alright the problem is that people have to be dragged kicking & screaming to even give something from the new 52 a shot.
>>150508394>(ditto New Frontier).I think New Frontier just needed like another 10 maybe 15 minutes of run time just to get a few more details in. I really don't get why these have to be 70 minutes. Well outside budget. But a few more minutes probably isn't gonna break them.
movie>suneater: "mercy...">superman: "i don't think i have any left" *punch*comic>suneater: "mercy...">superman: "you'll live." *punch*that single bit ruined the movie for me
>>150510352>why these have to be 70 minutes.That was the window for the two hour Cartoon Network Movie of the Week - with commercials.Yes, it's cheaper but not really. Once they are working on animation, unless we are talking a lot of new backgrounds and the like, the hours and drawing, etc. doesn't add substantially to the costs. The VA actors if they are using someone like The Rock, like they wasted for Legion of Pets, yes, would want more cash for more lines, but regular meat and potatoes VA workers get hired on the project, not on the script pages, etc.>>150510950That wasn't the worse, much less only, of the comic to screen changes, friend. Suggesting Lex deciphered Superman's DNA is far, far worse, especially out of remorse. It's the worse kind of fan fiction villain redemption tier nonsense.
>>150509943>new 52 movies are alright the problemMy only problem was that these were used as an excuse to ONLY do New 52 from Cereal Lord's point of view. Johns admitted he wanted to make HIS canon THE canon. It's also why Berlanti's DCW shows adapted so much Flash stuff from Cereal Lord's oeuvre, such as Flashpoint and why Shazam's first movie also adapted his JL backups as the plot, down to the Mister Mind tease that never went anywhere since by then, he'd been shit canned from the DCEU and they dropped his sequel Magic Lands ideas.
>>150510950I can understand why some things were cut for time but that line was just baffling.
>>150506603These animated adaptations of classic comics are pretty bad.DC doesn't give a fuck.
I did like a few of the more New52 ones even if they were mostly just action pieces. I did rather like death and reign too but that was a 90s story with a modern costume change. Kind of sucks they had to fuck up the whole universe with that Darkseid war shit. I don't know why they can't just NOT destroy their universes. I had no love for the Tomorrowverse either but still
>>150512261>Suggesting Lex deciphered Superman's DNA is far, far worse, especially out of remorse. It's the worse kind of fan fiction villain redemption tier nonsense.To me it always seemed tonally jarring how Luthor is shown to clearly be affected by seeing the world from Superman's POV but then Superman just says "fuck u fag" and punches him out anyway. If you're so staunchly against redemption, why include the bit where he's moved by seeing Superman's perspective at all? Just write him as 100% evil to begin with.
>>150513545It's not like he was proven to be redeemed. Even at the end he was screaming for power. lex is simply not worthy of it.
>>150513717I didn't read it as him screaming for power. Anyone with convictions would act the same way in this situation. And like I said, it's simply counter-intuitive to give him a humanizing moment right before Superman takes him down.
>>150513756>I didn't read it as him screaming for power.>I KNOW HOW TO SAVE THE WORLD! I COULD MAKE EVERYONE SEE! IF IT WASN'T FOR YOU! Even after his profound awaking he was screaming in petty, jealous, impotent rage. This is not apotheoses.
>>150513887If you had a vision to save the world and someone prevented you from doing it, why wouldn't you be angry? Again, the whole scene is weirdly structured and sets up something sympathetic only to completely ignore it.
>>150513963If you truly wanted to save the world, you wouldn't be screaming for power. You would, and this is important, show humility. You are just a special kind of illiterate. It's only after he loses completely that he shows any kind of actual change. Superman wasn't preventing him from anything because he could have done it already.
>>150514234>If you truly wanted to save the world, you wouldn't be screaming for power. You would, and this is important, show humilityFirst, that's not remotely how humans work. Being dedicated to a cause means you're likely to be desperate at seeing it fail.Second, why doesn't this apply to Superman? Part of why this scene is so weird to me is that I would expect him to just shake his head at Luthor's screaming and calmly take him to prison to show he' the bigger man. That would've been consistent with what you're saying about humility. But Morrison has him get strangely emotional and offended all of a sudden, even though it's not the first time Lex has tried to kill him or endangered the world. He wanted to have some kind of deciding epic takedown of Lex but for some reason also decided to dilute it by emphasizing Lex's sympathetic motives just a page prior.I'm not someone who likes to go about villains having done nothing wrong. I'd have taken Superman punching out Lex in any other context, but this scene in particular frames it in a really weird way by placing it right after his big revelation, and it never sat right with me. A part of me thinks this was just a clumsy way to reveal the way Superman views the world rather than say anything about Lex's character, and has the unintended side effect of making him seem more sympathetic than Morrison meant.
>>150514430>First, that's not remotely how humans work.It does if it's in the proper context. The whole scene is lex screaming like a lunatic. He is not changed. He saw the world the way superman did but he himself hasn't changed. It's still, at this moment, all about power. His own power and his own petty grudges.>Second, why doesn't this apply to Superman? Part of why this scene is so weird to me is that I would expect him to just shake his head at Luthor's screaming and calmly take him to prison to show he' the bigger man. Superman is calm. He is not screaming. He is acting rationally. This wasn't a case of him being "offended." It was him being DONE with Luthor's bullshit and he has a sun to gave save. Luthor wasn't being "sympathetic" a page prior. He was just becoming more aware. But the very next page he's back to screaming. You have to read the story as a whole pages don't exist in independent contexts. You are hyper fixating on one thing so hard the entire story is eluding you.
>>150514430>calmly take him to prisonHe was minutes, if not seconds, away from dying, and Luthor was still belligerent, at his throat.
>>150506603None of the DC animations are good
>>150506603Mid
>>150514983And also our sun was dying.
>>150516107Right, exactly.
