>main conflict is that the Elites challenge Superman’s idealism, arguing his boy scout morals can’t work in a world where villains keep escalating.>to prove them wrong, Superman is forced to fight on their level - getting brutal, even lobotomizing a dude just to show what that path would really look likeIt’s basically the same as cutting off a guy’s hands to stop him from stealing, just to prove a point.
>>150506631I think the point is for them to know what it feels like to be weak and powerless in the face of a ruthless vigilante.essentially teaching empathy by force.The problem is that the author is an edgelord pretending not to be one.
comics are too highbrow for you people
>>150506706or perhaps you're just too stupid to see the problems with them
>>150506631>It’s basically the same as cutting off a Samurai’s hands to stop him from dismembering criminals, just to prove a point.*
>>150506721case in point
>>150506775>no u>>150506736you are brainwashed.
>>150506631>>150506689Its all just a "due process protects you also" argument but with superheroes.
>>150506817Brainwashed how? It's not about it being right or wrong I was just using a more apt comparison.Manchester wasn't a thief, he was a self-appointed judge, jury and executioner of super criminals.Superman neutering his means of acting on this is like a Samurai's superior subjecting them to Yubitsume, taking a finger hinder sword prowess.
>>150506631Superman vs the Elite is "SCHOOL BULLY NOT SO TOUGH AFTER BEING MOLESTED" with capeshit, Supes is demonstrating why being a Might Makes Right edgelord can backfire and why compassion and empathy are important to a functioning society
>>150506631You really are stupid as hell
>>150506867First, because samurai were not against killing, so it is not an appropriate comparison.Second, you sound like a guy who read a lot of anti-samurai propaganda.Executing people for their crimes is something that all ancient people did, so you mentioning samurai out of nowhere is pretty suspicious.
>>150506631retard
>>150506954and fails completely at that.
>>150506631>>main conflict is that the Elites challenge Superman’s idealism, arguing his boy scout morals can’t work in a world where villains keep escalating.No, his argument was making the all powerful the ones who were the decision makers as to how far it was allowed to be taken would inevitably end with an all powerful despot turning it back on them and killing them like they thought they could kill others without repercussions. They said he should be using his powers more like them, they just folded when they realized those powers would be used against them and he'd be as justified murdering them as they did Atomic Skull. Everyone talks a big game when they have the biggest stick, the minute someone bigger came in the room they wanted him to play by the very rules they broke because they could.>even lobotomizing a dude just to show what that path would really look likeThat didn't happen in the movie.
I've been thinking about Superman vs. The Elite all day because I can't help but wonder what Superman actually achieved during all that. Atomic Skull still killed all those people, Not!India and Not!Pakistan were absolutely going to nuke each other while he was busy stopping robbers. The Elite did way more to help than he did, but because he makes a speech at the end he "won" the philisophical battle?
>The only argument of the superfags is to call you stupidlol
Would the story be better if there was a situation where killing made things worse and then Superman saves the day...by not killing?
>>150507033He made it so some big guy with powers can't kick your door in if they so much think you're doing something naughty. He prevented a slippery slope of might makes right superseding law and due process. You are an idiot.
>>150507033sadly that's 99% of modern moralfag stories.
>>150507035>Say something moronic>Get called a moron >Heh, got em.
>>150507035Very telling
>>150507037The best thing would be if they killed one guy but that would result in a bigger catastrophe.
>>150507033>what Superman actually achieved during all that.Stopped the Elite from continuing their unopposed killing?>t. Atomic Skull still killed all those peopleRight, because they didn't treat him as a prisoner, they treated him as a battery.You see the issue here? The Elite didn't solve the root problem, a criminal was moved into a more dangerous area and given access to a means of escape because they wanted to milk him for profit, and that's just... totally still fine, now. Nobody made any changes, we just have to hope not too many people die the next time it happens?>ot!India and Not!Pakistan were absolutely going to nuke each other while he was busy stopping robbers.They were not, and this is also contingent on them never getting a bigger stick. They didn't improve relations or make things better, they just said 'We tell you what to do' and fingers crossed they didn't get their ability to fight back now that they have a reason to, or they're fucked.>The Elite did way more to help than he did,Sure look at all the nothing they solved, but they killed some guys.
>>150507045When did The Elite ever do that at any point in the story? Your argument is predicated on a scenario that does not exist because what really happened is that Superman failed as a hero and took it out on them.
>>150507050>the newfag thinks I'm the OPLMAO
>>150507058>Right, because they didn't treat him as a prisoner, they treated him as a battery.Why did Superman allow that?
>>150507065I didn't say you were OP I said you were stupid.
>>150506631It proved that the legal system completely failed the citizens regarding Atomic SkullA judge let Atomic Skull go and is responsible for the murder of countless citizens
>>150507074Well gee maybe it has something to do with him not knowing they did it. He found out the same time as everyone else, when the guy escaped. Now, after that they could've fixed the problem, you know, find out something happens and then do something about it, or do what the Elite did, kill the guy and then just kind of mosey along and ignore the fact someone somehow managed to finangle a dangerous meta into free power they could charge for. But they're not exactly interested in solving anything, they just wanted to kill people and tell people what to do, and hope to god nobody strong did that to them because they set the stage for it.
>>150507092You're just making excuses
>>150507090>A judge let Atomic Skull go...no, he broke out. Giant power siphon? Overloading a system because it's not designed for him? Walking out because no safety system in place to stop him or a means to call Superman to come hit him a lot back into his cell? I mean the guy's okay with going and hitting him back into a cell, but then they'd have shown Superman their plan to use a guy as a battery to get money.
>>150507103If "Describing events' is an excuse to you, then perhaps you're just trying to find a result and backtracking without reasoning.
>>150507109You're right. They should've killed him immediately if their best plan was to use him as a battery. Chester was absolutely correct
>>150507131>You're right. They should've killed him immediately if their best plan was to use him as a battery.That's not a plan. That's something they did to get money for free power. A plan would've been "Put him in a place surrounded by water" because in the movie dousing him with water stopped him cold. Put him a mile out offshore and he's effectively contained.But they didn't, most likely because that's where the power infrastructure was since they obviously didn't build this in like a week for one guy and hook it up. Or maybe it's laziness. Or maybe it's so Superman doesn't notice him being used as a battery out at sea. What's the reason? Don't know! They killed the guy and walked off, didn't even ask how he escaped. That's weird, right? Like I get he's dead but you'd figure one of the "Totally doing the right thing" guys would at least want to know so they could stop it. Unless they were just power hungry dicks.Unless.
>>150507109>Overloading a system because it's not designed for him?That's negligence of the company who offered to use it on him, they also need to be put on trial
>>150507161>That's negligence of the company who offered to use it on him,Among other things, yeah. I think legally they can because 13th amendment but there was zero safety measures in place for someone who on screen was shown a method of containment that worked(Superman threw him into a lake and he was knocked out), so there's literally no excuse as to why he wasn't containable. We saw it happen. We know it works.>they also need to be put on trialFor sure. Well, they could've been, but now with Atomic Skull dead they can pretty easily cover up the whole siphon power thing and just claim he escaped. Public opinion is more focused on killing him and all that, easy to bury a story.Whoops.
>>150507016Not that anon but just because ancient people did something doesn’t mean it was good.Also the Elite were acting as self-appointed rulers and executioners and not working for the government.Thirdly, Samurai were assholes. Sorry that broke your mind and your romantic view of them.
>>150506631>>150507016You people would be the first up against the wall if the Elite ruled over FYI.
>>150506631>It’s basically the same as cutting off a guy’s hands to stop him from stealing, just to prove a point.So what? the Elites had a ton of opportunities before Superman got berserk on them. And don't forget they were aiming to kill, not incapacitate him.
So contrarians love the elite because they are """edgy""" and """""""""""""""""""""cool""""""""""""""""""""" like them?
>Superman-Sama, plese don't cuck me of out of my powers, despite i tried to kill you before eith them AIEEEEEE
>>150506631Elite is seen without its original context.>Who is the elite?Stormwatch stand-in.>Why the criticism?Because of the lame DC assholes who didn't understand Authority. Which, in my opinion, was better than all the crap published by DC at the same time.>No self-reflection.DC itself was edgy as fuck. It didn't take long for it to come up with the infamous identity crisis.
>OP is what happens your mother takes tylenol within days after getting vaccinated.
>>150507081ok, so I was right.
>>150507092>Well gee maybe it has something to do with him not knowing they did itthe reason is because he's stupid? lmao
>>150507201>Not that anon but just because ancient people did something doesn’t mean it was good.I never said that btw
What drives a man to be some autisticly hateful of a piece of media that he spends whole tracks of time spamming about it on an anonymous Mongolian basket weaving forum? I mean, I get it, it's not perfectly coherent in its messaging, but it's not incompetent, and it feels like most of the time he's just spitefully and deliberately misunderstanding it. Why does he feel the need to express such a vitriolic hatred for the optimistic, paternal heroism of Superman? Why attempt to convince anyone that edgy nihilism is the answer? It clearly hasn't made him happy.I guess what I'm trying to say is, pulling out is not always an easy thing to do, but use OPs dad as a reminder of the suffering you will undoubtedly have to suffer through if you don't take extra care
>>150506631Are you retarded? He shows the elite a taste of their own medicine and surprise surprise, it terrifies them when they're not the ones in control."NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T APPLY MY SAME LOGIC! THAT MEANS YOU'RE STOOPING TO MY LEVEL, YOU DIDN'T PROVE ANYTHING YOU ONLY SHOWED I LACK CONVICTION OR THE RESOLVE TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON MY SAME LOGIC! AIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
>>150506631>It’s basically the same as cutting off a guy’s hands to stop him from stealing, just to prove a point.No, it's like cutting off the hand of a guy that argues that everybody with a sword should have the right to cut everybody he wants to teach him how does it feel
>>150507437>>150507451lol, superfags are crazy
>>150507467>The nigga started to samefag from how angry he iskek
>>150506631>Hehe, might makes right old man! >:)>Okay well I'm mightier than you.>N-no! Not like that! :o
>>150507363>lame DC assholes who didn't understand Authority.Honest question. Can you elaborate on that? I never read Authority and only know vaguely about it
Main reason for the lobotomy is because Manchester made it necessary.You know just by looking at him that he's exactly the sort of faggot that'd take another swing as soon as you took the boot off his neck otherwise.Some people forget how afraid they were the moment your back is turned and they can get in a sucker punch, then pretend that makes them brave.
>>150507485lobotomizing telepaths is pretty much always the morally correct choice, they're basically UNIVERSALLY pieces of shit who constantly demonstrate why their powers shouldn't exist.only real exception is naturally psychic aliens like Martian Manhunter who ironically have greater respect for consent and boundaries interacting with humans since they know what's natural to them isn't for others
i just want all thiefs, rapists, pedophiles, murderers and abusers to die in painful ways...
>>150507499As the old saying goes: Psionics are my favourite kinds of superpower, but boy could I not be trusted with them or want anyone else to have them.
>>150507534The issue is that if someone in power changes the definition of any of those groups to also include you, you get to suffer the same fate.
>>150506631>It’s basically the same as cutting off a guy’s hands to stop him from stealing, just to prove a point.It's more like cutting off a guy's hand because he's because he's been stealing people's hands, just to prove a point.
>>150507548but those in power already do all those bad things with total immunity though albeit
>>150506689I think what people miss about the ending of What's So Funny About Truth, Justice and The American Way is that Superman doesn't prove Manchester wrong, not really. What he proves is that, regardless of whether Manchester was right or not, he doesn't actually believe what he was saying. As soon as Manchester realizes that Superman is stronger than him and could kill him any time he wanted, he instantly drops his 'Might makes Right' schtick and falls back on the same principles of justice and fairness that underpin Superman's moral system. People only believe in might makes right and survival of the fittest when they're comfortable that they're the mightiest and most fit.
>>150507571But your not someone in power, and there are people who are in those groups who aren't in power and so either way your only risking yourself.
>>150507592Know what'd be actually interesting? Superman running into someone who isn't a hypocrite about it.>You beat me? My life is yours to do with as you please, that is the law of strengthAnd no, it doesn't necessarily have to be a hot alien woman you godless degenerates, I know that's where your heads went immediately
>>150506631>Superman is forced to fight on their levelbut he doesn't, you smoothbrained speedreader
>>150506631Yeah it's pseud shit >>150507661He does though.
>>150507636Superman makes friends with aliens like this all the time. Even Doomsday offshoots
>>150506631>It’s basically the same as cutting off a guy’s hands to stop him from stealing,Except he didn't do that. He turned Black from a threat to a punk britbong loser.
>>150506631Did Superman get pinkeye from eating out Batman's ass again?
>>150507481The elite are expies of authority. And at that time there is the infamous edition where authority intervenes in the Middle East.
Might does make right (in both senses of the phrase) but the Elite weren't legitimate proponents of the philosophy they were just cunts who wanted to bullshit a justification for why they're allowed to be cunts when it takes zero effort to not be cunt.The issue with THAT is that the writer only made them cunts because they were making far too much sense and still far too likeable to the reader who obviously sympathizes more for the child who lost their parents to a repeated mass murderer than Clark's arbitrary sense of justice served. The writer had no actual argument for why executing murderers was bad so he had the Elite kick a puppy, in essence, to make it impossible for you to support them.The entirety of Whatever Happened to Truth, Justice, and the American Way is just a big fuckin strawman and a waste of Supes as a character who could have a legitimately riveting story about this topic if treated fairly. The issue is that it wouldn't be a capeshit story but a star trek story
>>150506631[Sppiler]But he didn't really lobotomize him. It was a trick[/spoiler]
>>150506631Except he didn't. He tried talking to them one last time to work it out peacefully, they tried to murder him on live broadcast, so he subsequently slapped their shit in hard enough that they won't forget it. Simple as fucking that.
>>150506631Why is Superman so conservative with speed blitz , he could have won on the moon easily , the same way he beat the lightning guy just do that 4X
>>150507481The Authority came from Wildstorm comics. They were a spin-off of another comic, Stormwatch, which is important to know because the context for why Stormwatch and subsequently The Authority was formed was because the world had just ended up nearly destroyed by a giant crossover event. And unlike in DC or Marvel comics, the damage wasn't undone. Stormwatch was the "We're going to make sure this peace lasts by any means necessary" teamup of every superhero that was still left, and The Authority was their spinoff team that was even more anti-oversight "We're going to save the world by whatever dirty means we need to" way.Which is actually a very different approach from The Elite. Cause yeah, the Authority are terrible assholes and murderers. But they're involved in situations on par with what DC superheroes do in a world that's nearly permanently on the brink of collapse, without the moral authority or luck that people just trust them everything will turn out okay. And even then, they weren't unintelligent thugs. They could be reasonable. They didn't WANT to do any of the borderline evil shit they did. They're just in situations where you have to sometimes do repugnant shit to save the world. There's a reason Superman can work with the Authority in more recent comics. The Elite themselves are closer to the surface level fanboys who enjoy the fact there are superheroes willing to kill and beat people down with no empathy, telling DC that they need their heroes to be "darker" and edgier without taking into the account the fact that's not the kind of universe DC operates on. You can see it in this thread that they only take the fact that Superman is jealous of The Elite, never the fact that The Elite are not the infallible moral authorities that they act like they are but instead just bullies and punks who think they've got the world figured out when someone like Lex Luthor would fucking roll them.
>>150508775Elite was clearly a parody of Authority. Down to the pseudo-scientific dialogue (Manchester over-explaining shit), to the team formation. The problem is that Authority offered more exciting storytelling than the mainline continuity. I understand the concerns with jingoistic storytelling and references to real-world conflict. But avoiding that won't make your stories better. That's why shit like Identity Crisis turned out so bad.
>>150508775To me, it's a misunderstanding from both the writers and the fanboys who only really understand this conflict from the idea that it's something like idealism vs right makes might when both Superman and The Authority would disagree on it (at least, when written competently). Cause Superman has never been the anti-murder guy, he's the "I can't be judge, jury, and executioner" guy. And Jenny Sparks, the one Manchester Black is aping, has outright dissolved The Authority at least once when she's figured they lost their focus and just become jackbooted creeps fighting the symptoms and not the cause.Really, what an idea Superman Vs The Authority comic would come down to would be the question of "Who watches the Watchmen?" and whether superheroes really ARE above society's authority and thus can only rely on other capes to tell them when and where they've gone too far and stop them if necessary, or if they aren't above society's rules and thus owe it to everyone else to hold the metaphorical gun to their own temples in perpetuity.
>>150506631If you're gonna have the Elite's philosophy you better be sure you're the strongest. They were weak mentally and phys4ically and it showed
>>150508863Superman was written out of character. In Authority, one of the things in the series is that casualties happen, and that ends up changing the tone of the Authority stories. Elite cleverly avoids any kind of casualty. He wants to make his point without raising the issues that Authority faced. Also, the geopolitics in Authority were better.
>>150508904Honestly agreeing with you, anon. It's why I personally don't find it as credible a take against The Authority and can only really see it as a take on their reputation as the "edgy" FOTM superhero team since The Elite aren't dealing with the level of apocalyptic standards the Authority would be, and Superman wouldn't normally hesitate that long to just slap their shit in if he was that deadset against what they did.
>>150506631I don't mind any of this except that at the end the crowd is cheerimg like he was proven right and completely ignoredhe destroyed a city block while pretending to chimp out.
>>150507025Really? Why?
>>150509044Because he quite literally proves the might makes right edgelord to be correct and the story has to both pretend Superman was too incapable to solve issues earlier in the story the Elite could win while simultaneously showing Superman has so far beyond the Elite that he organize a mass pretend chimpout where he clowns on them
>>150509082you really are a special kind of dumb. The point is that to the people who believe "might makes right" only think that way till someone mightier comes around. It's literally the opposite. And that the mighty need to be held to standards.
>>150509103You didn't read my post, try again please
>>150509111You're somehow too stupid to understand a 90iq metaphor that you original responded to
>>150509082>t. someone who willingly doesn't understand the movieEveryone was pointing out in the story that Superman could just be like the Elite and just shove his super fist up Manchester's ass without trying to talk him down. The whole point Superman was making was that he WASN'T like the Elite and that if the roles were ever reversed, he'd be the bigger man to let The Elite live albeit emasculated, rather than just kill them and dare people to tell him off for it.
>>150506631That's literally the premise of Maximum Carnage and also Knightfall
>>150506631Not that anon, but while Supes has a point, the Elite also has a point even though their perspective is edgy and has no place for the usual super heroics.While the no kill rule is all fine and dandy, having an overwhelming majority of supers cling to it like zealots is a recipe for utter disaster and more tragedies since the core problem is unresolved when it comes to villains who just keep escalating when it comes to the level of atrocities they commit. The only reason it seen as wrong is only because the Elite kill villains as the only option to them. And considering that there are villains/super villains that resort to crime because life caused them to due to circumstances out of their control, where is the justice here?I can understand ventilating the Joker because at this point he did so fucking much that he'd not only be public enemy no.1, but everyone trying to save him would be also declared his accomplice (talking here about you Batman, for how much blood do you have on your hands for not ending that clown), but people like the Rogues who even go on to avoid killing people while they pull off their heists?Fuck no man. Just fuck no.This is of course not exclusively a DC problem, but a problem with pretty much every single damn problem with all the major comic studios.Have villains become more and more horrifying and amoral, then still not veltilate them after they grew to such a degree in the danger-tier that letting them alive should be considered a crime in itself.
>>150509267The main problem with The Elite's approach is that as comic book readers we know that their "slice the arm off to save the body" type solutions won't do jack for the world for basically the same reason The Punisher and other "no-nonsense" vigilantes are kind of a joke; The status quo. The A-lister supervillains that are basically worse than Hitler that deserve death will keep coming back ad infinitum, the c-listers that are canon fodder will just be replaced by more c-listers, and the world will perpetually be in danger because otherwise it's boring to read. Frankly, The Elite read less like no-nosense superheroes/villains and more like young punks who thought they were taking a more "grown-up" approach to superheroing when they were really just naive to how fucking stupid their entire world actually is.
>>150506631In the comic Superman just gives him a mild concussion. The lobotomy is a adaptation induced plot hole.
>>150509202Very predictable response>>150509206Anon the whole point of why Superman can even have that "bigger man" viewpoint in the first place is precisely because he is so much more powerful than the Elite to the point he can create an elaborate stage performance while also utterly BTFOing them, which was also not how he was portrayed earlier in the story while following "optimistic" valuesYes, Manchester is a hypocrite but he's also only shown to be in the light of Superman being vastly more competent and powerful than him which conveniently was not the case when Manchester was the one solving issues
>>150509348Yep. The idiotic status quo.That and writers not wanting to come up with more new villains non-stop after the previous ones get killed off. Hence one of the reasons why Batman got a no kill rule while previously he did kill some of his villains (the Joker included...and that didn't last due to the sudden popularity of the clown).
I always felt it was obvious the lesson wasn’t for the Elote but ff or the people since the entire ooint of a Superman who doenst follow the law is that it’s actually a very scary thought for anyone who doesn’t see Superman as on their side. That’s why the pundit in the movie said America was the good guys, the ooint is that once superhumans declare on sovereign nation as able to ignore, there is no reason to trust them in respecting anyone else
>>150509406>Yes, Manchester is a hypocrite All you needed to say, anon>>150509413What's even worse is that when the superheroes do violate said no-kill rule, shit gets ignored to bring the villain back anyways. Remember when Superman willingly killed Doomsday as a self-sacrifice and they still brought the grey piece of shit back?
>>150507592Well in fairness Manchester Black and in general Millar’s Authority wasn’t a superhero story that offered a better world either. It essentially had superhumans bully nations into more human friendly policies regardless of socioeconomic and political fallout
>>150509435You're correct, and that's why the story is retarded>might makes right is actually fine and good as long as the guy in power happens to be nice and sunny instead of edgy punks
>>150509480Well it CAN work if it’s more “this powerful guy exists and is willing to respect our intelligence enkugh to acknowledge our systems ” but I’d see it more as a compromise to coexist
>>150506631>It’s basically the same as cutting off a guy’s hands to stop him from stealing, just to prove a point.So it's a good idea?
>>150506954I really cannot understand how people fail to grasp such an obvious and explicit messageI'm 100% sure any of the people trying to say otherwise didn't even watched the whole stuff and just consumed it through a tiktok or a YouTube reel because you cannot have this level of retardation and lack of thought
>>150509524Nah it's more like>dumb people don't understand the very shallow message of the story but think it's problematic>redditors/midwits like you and the fag you're replying to screech about MEDIA LITERACY and talk about how intelligent you are than the plebeians who didn't get it>people who then actually read and interpret the text realize the very uncomfortable implications of the story on top of finding how issue with how it organizes it's points
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>>150506631It's not proving he's "wrong" but rather no matter how you slice it it's cruel and the strongest proponents of it are people who believe they themselves will never be victims.
>>150506631>this thread>yet againCan't get enough of being a retarded, illiterate faggot, can you OP? I'd feel bad for all the insults that get hurled your way, but you clearly can't read.
>Elites: Powerful People should get to decide all the rules and kill whoever they want!>Supes: That's wrong and doesn't work though.>Elites: Lmao fuck you faggot we can do whatever we want!>Supers: What if I just kill you then?>Elites: AAAAAHHH! NOO!! DON'T DO THAT! THAT'S WRONG! YOU SHOULDN'T DO THAT! YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO KILL PEOPLE TO PROVE A POINT! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE>Supes: Lmao just a prank bro. I thought you believed in that shit. I'd never do that.
>>150509570...Or it's just a throwaway issue from the 90s complaining about the retards who say Superman should be edgier and meaner to the bad guys that a bunch of contrarians bitch about because they hate how a Superman story backs Superman's viewpoint.Cause really, a storyline of Superman and The Authority examining each other's methods and debating their philosophical viewpoints would need far more than just a single issue and one punch up to even begin approaching the kind of discussion that the subject deserves.
>>150506631No Thanks!
>>150509785It's almost as if that was the point of the post and truncating a larger problems of superhero comics into a single issue is retarded
>>150506631>>main conflict is that the Elites challenge Superman’s idealism, arguing his boy scout morals can’t work in a world where villains keep escalating.In their first appearance in the comic the Elite kill hundreds of people. Unless you're an illiterate edgelord like op 90% understand its about Superman showing hos hypocritical the Elites ideology is.
>>150511675Whole thing is more easily understood as an exploration of what makes superman work, and why edgy anti-hero deconstructions don't.
>>150507636>>You beat me? My life is yours to do with as you please, that is the law of strengthsuperman vs senator armstrong would be fun
>>150507231This is a desperate attempt at a strawman. The Elite have nothing to do with how bad this story is in regards to Superman.
>>150511675What people are those? The criminals and terrorist they were killing? Or the alien invaders?
>>150511851the libiyan troops that showed up to kill the monkey?
>>150506631The only point where the moral of the movie is wrong is that Superman uses might makes right to depower The Elite instead of making his point and leaving it up to them to reform and get better, like they did in the comics.
>>150512893>like they did in the comics.you hate america!you love the terrorist!!
>>150512893To be fair, in the movie they murdered two heads of state unlike in the comics where they were just killing monsters and criminals albeit in such a reckless fashion that they'd have inevitably created collateral damage if nobody slapped their shit. They were probably going to have to go on trial for that.
To believe might makes right enables sportsmanship.
