I love AI. It makes animation beautiful again.

Notice that no one is trying to imitate CalArt's style in the models. When people are given a choice, no one wants that.

Praise AI!

>>150513928
>bot

>>150513904
Not having any beans on screen is an improvement

>>150513958
>I found a comment I don't like and can't refute. Better call him a) tranny, b) jew, c) bot, d) MAGA.

Answers a and b are for /poltards, answers c and d are for redditards.

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I use AI to generate my face as a woman's face. Not because I want to transition but to show trannies that I would mog them if I did.

>>150513928
instead they imitate shitty disney 3dslop

>>150513928
>>150513977
Bot post.

>>150514014
Bot-in-training post.

>>150513904
I love dumbass exec boomers whose only fantasy was firing and ruining the likelihood of as many of the employees as possible to line their pockets more finally have to come to reality that the magicai robot artist is not making you a coherent film with no human input for $0

>>150513904
Lol idiots

>>150514060
Calling others bots. Heh...

This is what a bot would say.

>>150514091
Boomers don’t even know what AI is. That’s all Gen X.

>>150514060
>if you defend ai, that makes you ai

Would hit harder if industry cartoons weren’t mostly less creative than AI

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>>150513904
AI is a scam. Watch the movie “About a Hero“ and you realize that it will not be in our lifetime that AI will be autonomous

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>>150513904
>"In fact, the Disney catalog is too small to create a model."

Apologize to him for turning a profit off direct-to-video slop.

>>150513904
Can it at least replace VFX "artists"? I'm tired of those guys becoming producers. Animators and writers should be producers.

>>150514163
How do you come to that conclusion? Everyone who have stackes in leading a company have heard of AI. Thats outsourcing to Asia 2.0.

>>150514216
>AI is a scam. Watch the movie “About a Hero“ and you realize that it will not be in our lifetime that AI will be autonomous

To call AI self-aware is either a fallacy or a scam. However, AI as a tool is a completely valid approach. Who uses this tool if not a human?

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>>150514351
AI in general has uses but gen-AI is a dead end

>>150514351
An executive.

>>150513928
Good evening saar
>Notice that no one is trying to imitate CalArt's style in the models.
https://civitai.com/models/787891/amphibia-series-character-pack-and-style-lora

>>150514488
AI must be based on something. This is either a custom algorithm or simply a model based on the material to be analyzed (according to a general algorithm, of course). Because it's difficult to design a detailed algorithm for every task, generative AI is the future in the sense that it's more practical.

Answer yourself – has the choking of image-generating AI on other images generated by AI diminished the popularity of this technology?

>>150514493
Nobody wants your beans if they have a choice, CalArter.

>>150514503
Good evening boss.

I will touch your pee-pee this night.

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>>150514015
>>150514460
Kill frogshitters.
Behead frogshitters.
Report frogshitters to the mods.
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Blow frogshitters heads off with grenade launchers.
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Arrest frogshitters for no reason.
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Sell frogshitters organs on the black market.
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Cause a total frogshitter purge.
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Total frogshitter death.

>>150514351
>AI as a tool is a completely valid approach
Thats something i can agree with. It shoul€ he seen and used like a photoshop.

>>150514554
>Because it's difficult to design a detailed algorithm for every task
But that's the only way it actually useful, AI only shines when it's a bespoke tool for a specific task. And I mean gen-AI is a dead end in the sense that it's reached the stage where it can only make incremental improvements (still gonna be fucked up) and the data gravy train is getting ready to dry up considering every company is starting to realize "hey, why should these guys be able to scrape all my property for free" since it's a net loss for them which is why service providers like cloudflare are going to start offering services that block scrapers and the big IP holders are getting more protective of their media. Gen-AI for animation specifically is a complete dead end because it's almost impossible for it to remain consistent for anything more than brief snippets at a time if even that.

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>>150514726
Except, as much as we want, it isn't and it doesn't. LLM tools have no fine adjustments or even menus you can tweak. It's a slot machine of input/output.
A couple of days ago, I was trying to do some basic OCR on scanned text using an AI website.
>you have to type out specifically what you want: "ocr this text, while keeping headers and tables and...". Wouldn't a menu be faster?
>pages have to be uploaded one by one, manually
>you can't correct specific errors unless you parse the whole thing over and over, sometimes introducing new errors to the output.
>it can't even export the output as a fucking file. You have either to MANUALLY COPY AND PASTE or create a workflow of APIs with n8n to automate the whole thing. What if you want to read a single PDF?
Fucking AI can't do a task that's been mostly solved from the user's standpoint thirty years ago. It only needs to be more accurate than commercial software. But no, these fucking engineers are too enamored with having everything be either a minimalist chat prompt or having to code shit yourself with "local models" and such bullshit. It's like they completely forgot why Windows 95 was a hit on release.

>>150513904
Is there even a market for AI-slop movies? Which cretin would pay to watch an AI-genned movie? It's like paying artisan bakery money for that garbage bread electric automatic baking machines make. Maybe they could price it at one dollar and sell it online, but that's about it.

>>150513904
An AI generated star wars sequel film script would have been unironically better than the ones we got.

>>150515102
No, it would be the same. Because both would be cannibalistic plagiarism created by entities who don't know what makes characters, stories, scenes or a movie good.

>>150515139
At least it an AI working within specific parameters of what the fans wanted to see in a Star Wars movie probably wouldn't have done what Disney did to Luke Skywalker.

>>150513904
"shit........what DO we have to train the AI with?"
".......uhhhh......"
>coming soon: willy smith and the old spaghetti factory!

>>150513904
>Disney catalog is too small
Decades worth of work is still not enough??

>>150514015
no anon. you did it because it turned you on to imagine yourself as a pretty girl. you are gay. you're gay anon.

>>150515062
Once AI slop movies get good enough for anyone to be able to generate whatever and get bretty gud results, movie watching will be a niche interest and AI slop movies will be pointless.

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>>150515227
>people's attention spans will be so shot they won't even be able to focus on a single movie for an extended period
Jesus Christ, it sounds just like the Wall-E future

>>150515170
I think what they mean is there's not enough material for each movie/theatrical short from the Walt era. It's like the Get A Horse short that reuses old voice clips, but all the 2D animation is original and animated by real humans. Meanwhile, one-offs like Pinocchio and Dumbo have no original material based off the first film to make new films or a spin-off series.

>>150515163
>at least machine slop is better than human slop!
I'm just not gonna choose slop period anon

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>>150515279
Anon, TikTok is a thing that exists. There's a whole genre of "ADHD brainrot" in that shithole.

>>150515305
NO YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE THE SLOP! AND YOU SHOULD CHOOSE THE SLOP THAT CATERS TO ME!

>>150515227
Look out Hollywood, AI is going to figure out Chekhov's gun and rising action and mini cliffhangers and the 12 principles of animation.

>>150515170
>>150515227
Current AI models are trained on literally everything they could get their hands on disregarding copyright and they're still bad at even making tiny, few second long clips. A single studio will never have enough proprietary footage to train AI to any usable extent. And plagiarizing AI will need another millennia at the very least to be able to make a 5/10 film without it costing more than an actual normal 10/10 film. And some specialist say that it's already as good as it gets and only colossal tech breakthroughs will make it better. Tech breakthroughs that will probably make AI obsolete as a type of media producer because we'll have visualization with direct human control that will deliver much better results.

I mean, this isn't a real surprise to me personally.
AI has turned out to be a lot of hoopla over nothing, it's the closest thing to what can be described as "spiritually Indian technology."
Talked a big game, but it couldn't back it up worth a damn.

>>150514216
It will be at the very tail end of all of our lifetimes.

>>150515529
And we're already moving on from the AI tech bubble to the Quantum Computing tech bubble which is gonna be a shitshow within itself.
It never really mattered how much content you grab though because a feature length AI production would hinge on the AI's ability to maintain continuity between different shots and cuts, which it has proven unable to do. That's always gonna be the big hurdle.

>>150513904
how you gonna sell it? it's public domain. This is like when people release "the 100 best cartoons of all time" and it's whatever wasn't copyrighted.

>>150513928
Child of the machine. You may join the woke in the gulag.

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>>150515594
>it's the closest thing to what can be described as "spiritually Indian technology."

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>>150515062
> Is there even a market for AI-slop movies?
No.

>>150513928
This bait is exceedingly weak but /co/tists will take it anyway

>>150513928
Indian or Arab, call it.

>>150515594
>spiritually Indian technology
AKA SPIT

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>>150513904
yes we know about ai,,,, runway sucked it was bad even for ai

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>>150515166
>A single studio will never have enough proprietary footage to train AI to any usable extent.
Their argument is that they can replace it with "synthetic data". In other words, feeding slop to create more slop. In case you weren't aware, that's literally how mad cow disease happened

The whole thing is a fascinating schizo-post: https://ai-2027.com

>>150516729
Has to be Arab/Islamic. Indians don't talk like this unless they think they're going to Valhalla when they die.

>>150514015
Just admit that you jerked off to the results, frogfag

So is the gemini/nano banana shilling here the swan song of AIslop?

>>150514015
Post the results so we can jerk off to them, frogfag

>>150513904
If you know how AI functions, then ypu know its concept of self attention and quadratic scaling that isn't gonna get over come anytime soon. It just doesn't work.

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>>150516954
How is that being a fag, when you're jerking off to a picture of a girl?

>>150516860
Isn’t it a well known fact that AI content just further degrades when fed AI content?

>>150517061
But Anon, don't you get it? It's "filtered for quality", so that means it's a-OK.

>>150516860
>>150517061
Yes, "AI Alzheimer's" as one article called it. AI rampancy, as I like to call it.

>>150513928
>Notice that no one is trying to imitate CalArt's style in the models.
Five seconds on Civitai shows otherwise.

>>150517961
>AI rampancy
based Halochad

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I'm not even mad about it. Someone make an AI generated show already. I was promised this 3 years ago and the animation industry already gave up and ceased production on everything. They're waving white flags. Where are the AI shows? I was promised an "explosion of creativity" but AI managed to give us fewer shows than beforehand.

>>150515529
>Tech breakthroughs that will probably make AI obsolete as a type of media producer because we'll have visualization with direct human control that will deliver much better results
This is the real sticking point. I despise AIslop because it's not a tool, it takes away agency from the person that uses it and anything it makes is not truly their creation. It's a soulless creative dead end. No, the real breakthrough in art will be when we can actually directly interface with and manipulate something with our minds alone, pure imagination made manifest.

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>How can anybody look at this and think computer-generated animation will ever take over the industry?
- Anons in this thread, if they were alive in the 80s.

>>150518994
Now imagine if Moore's Law plateaued in 1990

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Hi.
This is a technology that doesn't meet the bare minimums for production work and unfortunately it's not a "MOAR GPU MOAR MEMORY BIGGER MODEL" problem.
It's the way LLMs are designed, which is non-procedural. No real long term memory, no innate comprehension of clothing or fingers, just some additional training that MOSTLY pretends to understand them. It's fantastic at 6 second clips before going full Cronenberg.
>But it was shitty then and look how far it's gotten
It's hit the wall.

>>150513928
>Bots are so lazily made now that it's even easier to single them out
AI really is struggling

>>150518859
>pic rel
a bunch of mediocre facades that only resembles slop that's already cheaply made by humans, ultimately amounting to nothing and say nothing meaningful

>>150519081
That's where coders come in. They have to invent one that takes a bunch of random doodles on a restaurant napkin and turns them into storyboards and then another one that takes storyboards and turns them into feature length films.

Why is AI only good for searching medical databases?
I was imagining it could be used for interpolation and inbetweens.

But no. It sucks at that.

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>>150519081
>and unfortunately it's not a "MOAR GPU MOAR MEMORY BIGGER MODEL" problem.
> just some additional training that MOSTLY pretends to understand them
It's called an NP problem. In layman's terms, you can't just shove compute at it and think it will become magically efficient.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_versus_NP_problem
Generating whatever it is that we humans enjoy, whether it's music, text or images, means having to check back to a "ground truth" baseline for correctness.

The "travelling salesman problem" is a good example. You simply cannot make an algorithm that can find the most efficient solution. It does not exist. The only way to do this is to generate every single possible combination and check each one manually. This is trivial to calculate when you have seven points, but extrapolate this to billions and you'll understand why LLMs inevitably hit a wall.

>>150519164
The Spider-Verse used a bespoke AI to give everything comic outlines and such but that kind of inconsequential busywork doesn't excite the AIbros

>>150514015
It’s because you want to segs your sister

>>150519164
The way I see AI being used in animation is like how mocap is used. Actual people will play out a scene. The AI will then apply a filter to the footage, overlaying the people characters with animated ones.

>>150519247
That's the power of AI. It can take Live Action movies and make them less commercially viable.

>>150513928
Bait used to be believable.

>>150518994
WTF does this has to do with AI? Your example and all the animation that follows has heavy human involvement on every step of production.

>>150519462
Something something cars replaced horses luddite! These retards literally can't comprehend that not all technological developments are successful and some just fizzle out as brief fads.

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>>150513904
The technology for it just isn't here yet. Those horrible-but-funny DeepDream AI drawings came out in 2015, and compare that to what we have now. It's only been 10 years. I'm guessing it needs at least another 10 years before it's indistinguishable from what humans can do.

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>>150519185
Bingo.
We've created some clever parlor tricks but they're extremely limited to imitation when it comes to generation, imitation that has no innate comprehension of what it's doing.

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>>150519557
See >>150519185 and shut up.

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>>150519582
Also this. We are hitting the wall as we speak with this technology and will have to reinvent everything about LLMs to do more than what we see now.

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>>150519582
That doesn't take advances into the AI software into consideration. That's just using brute force on the existing models.

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>>150519580
Where's the link to buy that and do they have a Dale version I only want it if it's the Dale version

>>150515033
You really hit on something here.

AIs are inconsistent. It's WHY GenAI can't be used in a professional capacity for art, it shits itself whenever it has to do a character on model for more than a second.

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>OpenAI makes the Miyazaki model
>their models slowly start degrading because Miyazaki AI media starts poisoning the database
>AI gen pics now have a piss filter to them that's only getting worse with time from the AI inbreeding
>GPT-5 was a catastrophic shitshow
>it was so bad it utterly shattered the illusion of linear progression in the tech scene
>people are sobering up and realizing this shit doesn't actually work
>OpenAI and Nvidia make more and more desperate moves, bloating their stock as much as possible in the hopes of cashing out
>the mainstream has finally caught on that were in a bubble that's on the verge of causing a total economic collapse
Lol. Lmao, even.

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Does anyone in this thread actually know anything about graph theory?

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Things are getting pretty good actually

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>>150519614
>That doesn't take advances into the AI software into consideration.
See pic related. I would've brought up the Underpants Gnomes, being /co/ and all, but they're a bit trite.

>That's just using brute force on the existing models.
Anon, you're bashing your head against the best-known problem in mathematics. Forget about the million-dollars of the Millennium Prize; OpenAI and the rest of the charlatans are throwing ungodly sums at trying to solve it. The fact that the best solution yet is to, as you well say, "brute force" the issue, means there's no other practical way.
It's like trying to fight against thermodynamics. Pretending that a perpetual motion machine will be invented at some point in the future doesn't help anyone.

>>150519702
>11 seconds
That's very nice. Now make it 500 times longer, while keeping it consistent throughout.

Has AI ever written a funny joke?

>>150519682
I took a model theory class where we talked about the Rado graph and other weird stuff like that. I can tell you about dynkin diagrams and quiver varieties and such if those count. I dunno much useful graph theory though. Discrete math/combinatorics always seemed like a nightmare to me

I’ve always figured that interpolation stuff would actually be the most practical usage of “AI”, but it needs to be something that’s actually built into an animation program and maintains layer data for the new frames it generates

>>150519731
Not him but my one caveat that's worth keeping in mind is that biological computers solved many of these problems millions of years ago, so it's not quite 1 to 1.

>>150519760
You just gen different scenes and edit it together.
Do you think movies are shot in a single take too?

>>150513904
*inhale*HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

>>150519770
No but it has given me a boner

>>150515033
Literal skill issue

>>150519731
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smnAcarCrk8

>>150519788
nta but
>consistent throughout

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AI is great to create niche porn and literally nothing else

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>>150519788
>You just gen different scenes and edit it together.
That's not how it works. Each generation is notoriously different from one another. It is literally how the process works: the LLM "learns" by adding random noise to images. When you ask it to generate a picture, it runs the process backwards, starting with random noise and iterating from there, while checking with a ground truth baseline and adding additional upscaling and sharpening filters. That's why no two outputs can ever be identical.

>Do you think movies are shot in a single take too?
Imagine if you shot a movie and replaced the actors with different lookalikes in each take.

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>>150519815
Stop talking in shartynigger memes, dumb shit.

Programmers should learn to actually make useable software and have the LLMs be underlying engines, rather than "end-all, be-all black boxes". Not everything needs to be a blank browser dashboard.

>>150515594
It was oversold by the AI companies who were shilling it. AI actually has use cases unlike the retarded NFT grift but not to the extent of it being worth it to shoehorn it into everything possible.

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We already have new animated movies and shows made by human writers and human animators and human artists and nobody watches them. How is a cheaper substitute supposed to revolutionize the industry?

>>150519844
https://files.catbox.moe/1ka4ri.mp4

Consistency over time is mostly a fixed issue, if you actually know what you're doing that is.

>>150519868
dude, your talking points are years old.
consistency was an issue, but it has improved dramatically

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>>150519914
>a cheaper substitute
H100s are US$25,000 a pop.

>>150519914
Imagine a cartoon, but it's also a choose your own adventure book

>>150513977
Everytime I hear someone mention the bean mouth I immediately can tell is a gigafaggot who don't watch cartoons nor comics at all and every single opinion formed on his little brain comes from consooming 10000 videos of pseudo-political "we vs woke" grifting algorithm sloppa

>>150513904
>struggling
OP. They struggle with everything. Even when it's not AI.
You really think they will start spending money now that they are tripling down?
You know nothing of how stupid and wasteful entertainer execs are.

>>150519963
Imagine white knighting a garbage cartooning style

>>150519924
>>150519938
Why is the framerate so fucked?
Why does the background change in lightness at random (a notorious slop tell)?

And, again, this is a very short clip at a low resolution. How do you make this work for a full motion picture and maintain consistency throughout its runtime?

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>>150519995
Is not even about fighting about an art style is about the complete disconnection from reality and purposefully avoidance of all the insane good quality and heartful cartoons and pieces of animations coming out these years

You need to be an actual gigafaggot to totally avoid and conveniently skip all this new media and artcraft just because it doesn't fit in your political spectrum or the thousands of sloppa griftoid clickbait made up culture war videos

We need to fucking kill all these /co/ tourist before they do what they did to /Tv/, just neverending threads of "We vs Woke" and low hanging fruit culture war ragebait fired up by Indian bots, the complete destruction of geek culture replaced with manchild wannabe school bullies and edgelords

>>150520046
>Why is this hobbist tier gen not perfect

>>150519924
>porn
anon, this is effectively the same thing as your first video; they're all relatively simple sequences that meander, where there isn't an actual narrative whatsoever.

>>150520099
>hobbist tier gen
This means jack shit, an excuse to give yourself an out. Answer any of these:
>How was that video generated? As in, which specific software (models) and hardware (GPUs) was used?
>How does it compare with "professional" results? Is there any long video that can pass the smell test?

>>150520096
>just because it doesn't fit in your political spectrum.
Do you consume media that doesn't fit your political spectrum?

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>>150519836
>I'll throw a YouTube video at you!
People who understand the problem are being patient with you but they are not humoring you and it would do you well to listen to them.

>>150520096
You're the one bringing up culture war shit

>>150519247
The problem is that the output just ends up looking uncanny and just looks like your typical subpar Indian mocap.
I remember a year ago, people were clamoring about how AI would save 2D animation, but instead all we've gotten is live2d-tier shit and ugly background art in cheap, outsourced shows.

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>>150520131
You know exactly what I'm talking about

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>>150519614
This is you

>long form movies.
The future is an endless, non repeating TikTok feed.
AI is perfectly suitable to fullfil that task.

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>>150519637
GenAI, unlike everything else we do with computers, begins with NOISE every single time, which it then refines until it "thinks" it's matching what it's been trained on. But it can't ever KNOW it's wrong.

>>150520151
Answer the question

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>>150519770
No

>>150520143
Its beyond obvious that when the "Beanmouth" argument is brought to the table it is correlated to the "Woke calarts" argument and is getting so fucking annoying and useless because you barely see that artstyle anymore, the cartoons that are used as example have a lot of different shapes and styles among the cast, and it really tells about the lack of interest and passion to explore and enjoy cartoons that aren't being used to just conveniently fire up culture war circuses like 90% of this board is right now

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>>150519953
I've also spent quality time on Infinite Worlds, a literal CYOA engine and it produces crap. Stories meander without theme or meaning, details are forgotten, and it generally behaves like a dream which isn't a compliment.

https://files.catbox.moe/utsytq.mp4
these man made horrors...
They were made for me

>>150520096
>You need to be an actual gigafaggot to totally avoid and conveniently skip all this new media and artcraft just because it doesn't fit in your political spectrum
Honestly, I've avoided most culture war autism media and I can't say I feel like I've missed out on much.
I also avoid rightoid political brainrot media, they just rarely exist.

>>150520189
>Everything is supposed to be political!
You made your bed, now lie on it

>>150520209
>I also avoid rightoid political brainrot media, they just rarely exist.
Is this a joke? No, this is a real question.

>>150520162
I strongly believe animated movies or any media in general should just stop trying to appeal to children and realize the only audience left for long-form animation is manchildren in their 20s

And let the new gens keep getting filtered with low attention spanned AI slop that makes them more and more retarded

AI will end in the same camp CGI did.

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>>150520145
It can't even tween competently. It's not useless but it's broken in terms of producing what you need due to inherent mathematical flaws that were necessary in order to produce results.

>>150520216
The cope is surreal

>>150520189
You are the one steering this conversation into a culture war circus

>>150520223
I mean in terms of actual media produced outside of talking head internet pundits.
The closest you'll find to rightoid brainrot on the level of the leftoid brainrot is something like Kamen America.

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>>150520202
Tifa doesn't have braids but she inexplicably transforms to have them at the end. Animation can't get away with that.

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>>150520099
This is a TRILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY you braindead jackanape. More money has been funneled into this tech than any other venture in human history, and THIS is all you have to show for it? Fuck outta here already.

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just FYI, 2D is vastly behind 3D in AI models because most images and videos in the training corpus are from IRL.

Until someone makes a dedicated 2D model, it will continue to be the case

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>>150520236
CGI's problems are hardware, gamuts and reproducing the expected artifacts of film. Most have been solved and only rushed workflows are to blame for bad results in professional work.

>>150520257
Brain-rotten rightoids are at war with themselves. Between the catholic integralists and the PUAs, they hate every kind of vice in the aggregate. You think those people can possibly make stuff anyone would want to watch willingly?

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I just think AI is neat

>>150520281
>Clothing creases at hip
Material modeling is the bane of diffusion. It can get better but it can't get good.

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>>150520223
Anon just type Rachel Zegler on YouTube and tell me if it isn't a showcase of the degenerate state of rightoid grifting slop content

The moment something barely moving happens like Bella Ramsey joking about wanting to be cast as spiderman these algorithm farmers poop like 100 videos about it and how the west has fallen or whatever the trending grift is about, and people still fall for it because it gives them the illusion that they are winning some sort of war against the "Woke mob" while Israel keeps cucking them and cucking their families in the ass constantly but they just don't seem to mind because they were promised the power to bully minorities that don't even make 5% of total population

>>150513904
Didn't stop them from making Wish.

>>150519849
Assuming you're willing to burn days rerolling for a ten second clip, sure.

>>150520322
she's undead, her skin is just a bit leather-y, that's all

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>>150520333
>Days
Skill issue

>>150520327
Can you go talk to yourself somewhere else?

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>>150513904

OH NO!

Anyway...

keep forgetting /co/ is a Tumblr colony these days.

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>>150519849
I may have given myself an animated statue fetish tho

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>>150520281
>Until someone makes a dedicated 2D model, it will continue to be the case
This is horseshit. I refuse to believe that models have not been trained on every single anime episode available on Nyaa, plus the entire Disney and WB corpus.
As >>150520280 said, the investment on that technology thus far has been obscene. There's dozens of models on HuggingFace trained on Gelbooru, plus the LoRAs made from specific artists like InCase.
But noooo, 2D is behind because the "good model" doesn't exist yet.
Fuck outta here already and the horse you rode in.

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>>150520348
Funny how she grew a wedding ring for no reason

>>150520348
>Skill issue
Shartynigger buzzword.

>>150520348
More perfectionism than skill.
But while we're on the subject? For a bunch of people that keep insisting artists are gatekeeping elitist I notice AI guys are exponentially more likely to go 'get gud" or 'works on my machine" than give any kinda tips or tutorials.

>>>/trash/78071812
Let me see if I'm doing this right...

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>>150520307
It's pretty comforting that despite all the rightoid grift, all the parasites trying to bully everything to the ground, and fight on cyber-bullying crusades orquested by a whole cicle of made up culture war and clickbait... Art and animation just simply keeps being made, mostly by the people they constantly preach to hate and cry for like almost a decade now

They just simply cant create anything because their energy and time is wasted in grifting, their minds are already contaminated by a desperate attempt to aggrandize themselves by stepping on the opposite political group

The average artist and animator creates for love, while the rightoid grifter wannabe famous artist just wants to create to demonstrate he can do better than the people he hates, and that's why he ends up doing nothing at all

They will fight for everything, bitch for everything, complain for everything, and at the end of everything, achieve nothing at all, they are just nothing soldiers

They are condemned to loose infinitely

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>>150520420
Hang out in the /aco/ threads, people routinely share that info. Or better yet, don't hang out here on 4chan and go to Civitai.

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>>150520348
>>150520333
>>150520420
I would compare this to gacha, but gachas are fun and you can jerk off to the waifus.

>>150520431
if your high horse was any higher you'd reach orbit

>>150520452
He's right, you know. The "best" right-wing cartoon is that feces-smelling New Norm junk.

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>>150520447
Fucking lol
I'll let this shit write a function or two, never an application. Vibe coding's for lazy fuckheads who never wanted to learn programming.

>>150520307
Ehh, this is less a left-right thing and more an American thing.
Neither side is making anything particularly great right now, and it's all vastly inferior to what we were getting even during what everyone thought were the entertainment dark ages in the 2000s.

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>>150513904
>AI can't handle consistency
>Animation is all about maintaining consistency between every single frame of the movie.
Who could've seen this coming? Ironically animation is the one art industry which would've welcomed AI taking over some tasks because how time consuming and expensive it is to make them. Japs have been experimenting with AI doing inbetween frames in their animu programs for 10 years now, before AI was even a marketing buzzword.

>>150520401
>I refuse to believe that models have not been trained on every single anime episode available on Nyaa, plus the entire Disney and WB corpus.
The problem is, it turns out that just mashing as much data as you can into a model doesn't mean you'll get anything good.

>>150520529
NO ANON
BIGGER MEANS BETTERER
MY HEAD TOLD ME SO

>>150520431
You have to be emotionally honest tonmake great art.

That is heresy to the right, which preaches never admitting a mistake and never showing vulnerability.

>>150520401
>I refuse to believe that models have not been trained on every single anime episode available on Nyaa
Wouldn't that make the model worse? Average straight to DVD anime has lazy as fuck animation with motionless characters having their mouths move in 2 frame movement 99% of the time.

>>150520597
Is the idea for the model to understand 2D illustration or animation? Because it's two separate things.

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I would like to remind everyone that state of the art AI Video generation looked like this a year ago.

>>150520581
Also why artistic quality has plummeted these years.

>>150520581
The easiest answer is that they live and die for the peanut gallery. The biggest outrage, never-ending attack. In such an environment, there's no room for reflection of any kind.

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>>150520621
Which is to say, it hasn't substantially improved since then

>>150520507
This

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But hey we have much cooler goon fuel so

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>>150520468
I really wish the Right Wing would create art, I swear to God I want it, but the American Western right wing ambitious man hungry for progress and righteousness is dead, it has been replaced by a manchild desperate to shout slurs and harass college girls just because they have colors in their hair

That's one of the reasons almost every animator or veteran artist is "Left", because they Right has nothing to offer other than humiliation rituals, cult mindset (redpill as an example), and the ideal of reaching fortunes by stepping on everyone, which are not interesting for the man craving art and passion

>>150520661
There we go boys, Racism is no more.

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How is this going to work without Steve Jobs or John Lasseter or suitable substitutes?

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>>150520676
Like magic

>>150520671
you are simply reaping what you sowed

>>150520676
The same way non AI movies have been working
Not at all unless it's a take on a known property

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>>150520687
Have faith, anon

>>150520684
We are fine without the right wing actually, beautiful art and animation keeps being made despite their total collapse into grifting sloppa

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It'll be SO GOOD

>>150520712
>We are fine without the right wing actually
Is that why leftoid cities keep collapsing into anarchic murder holes while ethnostates maintain world-class safety rates and public services?

>>150520712
In Asia, sure.
Not so much in the west.
Western art is kinda collapsing.

>Years of development
>Billions of investment
Still ZERO practical use for AI, other than being a glorified google search, and made the internet noticeably worse in every aspect.

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>>150520609
>Because it's two separate things.
No its not. Animation is 12-24 illustrations running per second. You think the animator just draws a couple of drawings and the rest just magically appear on paper? No, somebody else or the animator has to draw all of those too. Inbetweeners are the people who do basically the most braindead pictures between frames, the ones which require least amount of skill and is basically just copying a picture with slight modifications.

So how does a TV show with a meager budget handle such extreme workload? By doing cheap tricks. Like having characters not move much at all and let dialogue just play out, maybe one characters head and mouth move a little.
You think those heavy dialogue episodes in your favorite Evangelion-clone animu were there because the writer wanted some deeper meaning to his story?
No its because they're saving money and making a filler episode with minimal actual animation work.
Why do you think in most animu- and animated shows the pilot and the last episode have the highest amount of action setpieces?
Because those are the most important episodes to draw in viewers. So first episode is an epic adventure of characters being introduced while defeating a giant dragon with explosions everywhere. Then the next 12 episodes are them sitting around talking to each other to save time and money. The 2 minute pilot action scene took weeks to even months for a team of animators to do, meanwhile 2 minutes of talking motionless heads can be done by 1 animator in one afternoon.
Other common trick these days is overuse of Motion Tween. If the characters move like paperdolls a lot, thats a cost saving measure because its much easier to tell the program to move a paper doll hand upwards than drawing everything by hand.

While the people saying we're plateauing have a point, they're also mistaken.

Yes, the days of "bigger model with more data = way better results" are done for. The low hanging fruit has been thoroughly picked.

We're not anywhere near the ceiling though, but that will only come through actual groundbreaking work, and whoever cracks it first will literally become god on earth.

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>>150520735
>ZERO practical use for AI
No, it's brilliant at finding protein folding puzzle solutions for genetic therapy for diseases, predicting weather patterns, analysis of medical scans, that kind of thing. Genuinely the best solution for those applications. Pretending to think is where it struggles to be anything other than stuff to whack off to.

>>150520748
That's right anon, if we simply dump another $200 trillion worth of investment into AI we'll FINALLY crack the code.
We just need to fire everyone and bankrupt the entire planet.

>>150520145
I've seen videos where they make everything minions over a real footage and it looked fine. Replaced everyone with minions. The AI will be fed a specific data set about the character models it will over lay and the footage will be cudtom shot for the AI to recognize. You can have multiple AIs that each specialize in a specific character instead of one AI that knows everything. If the original footage had poor cinimatography, then the whole thing suffers because AI is onlybas good as the data you put in it.

>>150520772
>and it looked fine.
Fine by your Indian ESL standards isn't worth paying for.
Therein lies the crux.

>>150520748
I mean where do we go from here? The whole model is built on scraping data and we've effectively scraped everything there is so giving it more data isn't gonna make it better. Unless somebody reinvents the wheel for AI we aren't going to be seeing any major leaps again. ChatGPT 5 proved that.

>>150520776
>They will simply wait and bide their time until the ai technology is ready.
They will collapse and die off long before that happens.

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>>150520772
>I'm going to infer how this will work
You're going to stop making predictions without actually knowing anything

>>150520770
I'm not joking
You should really worry about who is going to manage to create skynet, and if they'll be able to hold the leash or not.

>>150520728
You need to actually be retarded to believe this, the whole country is collapsing, not just a "few leftist cities" because there's no infraestructure projects, medicaid keeps bankrupting people for minor life saving surgeries, every school is getting shooted, inflation can't stop rising even if thousands of news channels want to hide it, we keep spending money in retarded shit like golden statues while simultaneously cutting funding on stuff like grains research and cancer research (which translates directly in less funding to investigation and medicine entities and universities) and somehow we still manage to keep sending billions to Israel just so they can keep killing and raping children in east countries, it's a fucking disaster what this country has become and no left nor right will be able to undone the damage made to every pillar of society

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>>150520748
>the days of "bigger model with more data = way better results" are done for.
There is, quite literally, no other way of doing it. It doesn't exist.

>We're not anywhere near the ceiling though
>actual groundbreaking work, and whoever cracks it first will literally become god on earth.
See attached.

>>150520791
if I knew, I'd be holding a biding war between Zukerman, musk and Altman instead of shit posting here

>>150520629
Check OP pic again

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>>150520807
Wow
The only way to win is not to play
You're so fucking deep

>>150520808
>and somehow we still manage to keep sending billions to Israel just so they can keep killing and raping children in east countries
If this is so bad and nobody seems to like it, then why is MIGA an unassailable pillar?

>>150520728
Way to out yourself immediately as a moron that exclusively watches Fox "News".

>>150520748
>We're not anywhere near the ceiling though,
Yes we are. The current "AI model" is not AI, its a glorified search engine. Its you pressing CTRL+F on your keyboard to look for (Yous). Thats all it does. Its results depend entirely on the source material fed into it. If you feed shit into AI model, the AI model can't differentiate between the good source material and the shit material, it will then use both.

AI development has come up with some useful changes like better speech- and image recognition capabilities. Auto-background ripping in editors is better, so is OCR text recognition from images. Hospitals don't need extra proofreaders to write down what doctor said in his voice recorder anymore. In animation theres a potential that AI can do 1 out of every 20 inbetween frames which sounds tiny but its still appreciated.

But making professional tools 5% better doesn't make money for all the shareholders so this entire bubble is going to burst sooner or later. AI isn't NFT levels of meme failure, its more like VR glasses where it didn't replace video gaming whatsoever but it is valuable in simulator games.

>>150520847
You know why

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>using AI in animation industry thread to talk about the Calarts style, to talk about the culture war, to talk about quality of life in cities with Democrat mayors

>>150520828
I don't think anybody does really.

when AI kills humanity I'll be there to say "I told you so"

>>150520887
I think the culture war posts are from a literal bot.
They definitely read like bot posts, and it'd be pretty fitting for this thread.

>>150514060
Bot post

Bros

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I like it, sue me

>>150520945
Or, OR, hear me out here, they'll just ditch the obvious vaporware entirely and just do what they've always done. It will never become "viable" because it was a scam from the start you retard.

>>150520945
>>150520776
This isn't happening. The technology is way too expensive to just "wait until it matures enough". It's like if Disney had, instead of having it as a side tech project, had bet the whole studio on CGI back in 1982.

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A few years ago picrel went pretty viral. It was mocked by animators but deep down they thought that this may be the future. They were wrong. Despite the creators doing a how to video follow up and a sequel a few months later this never really went anywhere. Outside of a few meme videos, ai animated stuff has been vapid and shallow. Ai bros are worse than talentless hacks. They are fucking lazy and that's an attitude that will never get you anywhere.

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>>150520945
The smaller ones will be fine until people finally stop paying for this. It used to be the battleground and now it's basically a $10 Billion/year stimulus check all for owning a couple channels where Fox News and The Superbowl are.

God, I love hearing retards that have no idea of what they're talking about vehemently express their opinions.

>>150519948
the yearly wage of an animator HAHAHAH

>>150520995
>but deep down they thought that this may be the future.
They did not, they knew this was shit

>>150513928
AI is the logical conclusion to Death of the Author.

>>150520995
>Animation, for the cost of Live Action!

>>150520401
>plus the LoRAs made from specific artists like InCase.
Well you can tell the pictures are AI because the women have vaginas.

>>>/wsg/5979829

>>150521118
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Why can't AI just go away so cartoons can come back and Cartoon Network will give Maxwell Atoms another show?

Hailuo has to be the absolute worst one when it comes to hands. How have they still not gotten any better at it?

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>>150521352
>How have they still not gotten any better at it?
None of them do. People have to use 3D plugins and reference images to bypass the hand problem.

Reason is simple, its the source material. Internet has near infinite amount of women closeup photos with steady studio lighting from 3/4 angle, so faces and boobs are easy for AI to make because theres so much steady and similar source material.

Hands are tough because they're not in the same position every time. Most often the hands are not in the image at all, or they're in her sides or behind her back because those poses pushes her boobs in the front. When hands are in the picture they're doing thousands of different things from different angles, the source material for hands is all over the place because in photos people like to look at faces and boobs, not hands.

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>>150521352
>>150521464
Its not even photos, its also drawings, because drawings often take reference from photos. So even drawings tend to have hands that are out of focus, so AI can't find the good source material for hands.

>>150520765
Ironically stuff that involves large, constantly updating amounts of government-funded data, obtainable for free.

>>150520765
>t's brilliant at finding protein folding puzzle solutions for genetic therapy for diseases, predicting weather patterns, analysis of medical scans, that kind of thing.
No its not. Its really good at acting as the secretary of the doctor and the weather forecast. Hospitals used to have to employ a person with really fast typing skills who would just proof-read and write official papers from audio recordings, thats all she would do all day. AI can take over that job because it can copypaste the usual jargon on the article, while doctor can quickly proofread the audio translation himself.

>>150515062
It's the paradox of AI bros convinced that the problem that AI can solve is the desire for "more product"

If they can crank out 100 of those garbage breads to a baker's one good loaf, then that's a success for AI and for content consumers

>>150515892
You talking about the end of the world or the fact that it will take forever? Because if it was the former, then you shouldn’t be fear mongering at all.

>>150521535
The thing about the Industrial Revolution was standardisation.
If 100 acceptable loafs are made to 1 hood one. The baker loses.
If 1000 bad loads are made to inconsistent quality, the Baker wins because people pick the one that doesn’t trigger the warning light for lack of care.

>>150520140
Fine, I'll summarize it for you: most of the AIs used today use artificial neural networks and large language models, which are bad at learning without huge datasets, backpropagation is terrible at re-learning anything, and have very poor energy efficiency. A graph-based knowledge representation system that works using association instead of either of those would allow for more life-like learning and potentially AGI.

>>150520155
I'm sure that 60 years ago you would have based what computers are capable of on theoretical limits of what vacuum tubes can do.

>>150519247
We have rotoscope tools like that already. Ebsynth has been out for ages. But even when things were done manually by tracing frames of film, the motion looks strange and that’s where the human part comes in. Animation isn’t just about making things move, but good animators play with timing and exaggerate proportions, squash, stretch, smear, etc. The reason it looks cool is because artists know how how to manipulate time and space and make decisions to create a performance. I’m not going to say it’s impossible for AI to figure out how to do that, but those techniques aren’t deployed based on genre or even reliably in any given scenario. Those decisions are made on a case by case scenario and decided either by the individual animator or animation lead.

>>150519314
Kek

>>150520155
So, an average Borzoi?

>>150520621
This is fine.

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>>150513904
AI is awesome, I can't wait to see where it goes and how fast we get stuff.

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>>150521633
>Animation isn’t just about making things move, but good animators play with timing and exaggerate proportions, squash, stretch, smear, etc.
The trick to that is to avoid hyper-realism because then you run the risk of uncanny valley effect. What Disney understood early on that instead of seeking realism, animators should instead exaggerate everything, taking a book from theater where theatre actors also exaggerate every movement, costume and makeup. So when you do animation, don't try to do realism, do theater-realism or exaggerated realism instead.

>>150513904
>AItards flop
>Wokeoids flop
I'm not seeing a downside here, there's so much animation available for free I already never have to pay either of these cretins money again for the rest of my life.

>>150513904
I love how they try to trick everyone into thinking this shit isn't going to work so nobody else pursues it, such obvious greedy corpo tactics.

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>>150518859
They kinda already have with this, which Is called Cat Biggie on YouTube and it's like those little French or Korean cartoons some channels showed in between cartoons.

>>150520772
It looks fine “for AI”. Most of the shit people clap their hands for is only good knowing that it was auto hallucinated by a computer. If people were under the impression a human made it, they’d trash the fuck out of it.

>>150521663
She looks hot

>>150521748
Go on then, give her another aborted ghost baby you sly devil

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>>150519081
>It's hit the wall
Nope, you've said that every day this started since the Will Smith spaghetti. You don't know this topic at all, so why are you so desperate to lie about it?

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>>150515892
tfw we're the last generation in history to die of natural causes.

>>150521771
>AI not showing Snood titty
It really is worthless slop, huh?

>>150521758
The way I’d be nutting in her would not be conducive to pregnancy

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>>150515227
That is the weirdest part of this whole decision. AI shit can be made by absolutely anyone. Studios working triple time trying to advance AI content creation is just making them even more obsolete and ruining their ability to make money more than their decision to drop all pother revenue avenues and go full on to streaming.

I don't understand why nobody at any of the big companies are all trying to get behind the very thing that will definitely kill them and replace them with more YouTube-tier shit made by people in their parents house.

>>150522428
Same with streaming, the big studios are run by aging boomers who want to constantly chase the new technology and always follow what the techbros tell them.
It has been that way since the 80s. Only difference is that now every new techbro decision screws the studios over more and more without their ever noticing.

>>150521633
>>150521669
Timing of movements is one of the things AI really cannot seem to accomplish, and I'm not sure AI bros understand it much either.

>>150519081
Did you make this? Do you have more Cordie or other Vickers girls?

>>150515328
I remember the first time I saw one of these on YouTube shorts. I was waiting for the two clips to coincide in some clever way but it never happened.

>>150514015
Post nudes.

>>150514015
Yeah, sure buddy…

>>150513928
>I love AI.
Go get hit by a bus, you soulless fuck.

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>>150516636

I suppose I could type this here:

I recently started using an adult literature erotica AI just to get my rocks off with fanfics of stuff that is either under represented or has nothing at all and it's been mostly satisfying compared to the lack of better material and the lack of effort gaining it.

I remember being pleased with getting it to write a short Rocket Power fanfic with Reggie giving the boys blowjobs behind the Shore Shack. I didn't even mention the Shore Shack but it understood that was a location in the show and incorporated it.

But I still go back to proper writers for the stuff that is provided for, even if it's repetitive stuff. NidoranDuran does nice straight to the point PWP but with enough personality and finesse that it's a treat to read. The AI stuff is just too repetitive and lacking a vision of its own. I don't want to put in too much effort to the point where I've basically written it, I want it to create something I'm in the mood for but that I'm still surprised at when reading. If I were to write something myself it surely would be a better piece of work but my surprise factor would be gone and I can't fap to that then.

It also improved immensely when I figured out how to make components trick it into allowing lolishota stuff, at least once before it blurs it for me.

>>150516707
It's a horrible day to realize that someone from twitter is actually right for once.

>>150521715
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH12-xtuRvg

Probably the most competent thing I've seen, though still terrible, but less terrible than others.

>>150521139
I hate when the schizos have a point

>>150513904
AI has yet to produce anything that isn't dogshit slop for retards

>>150522968
Are you unable to just write this stuff yourself?
I feel like if you can write a 4chan post, you should be able to write a fanfic about a loli blowbang behind the local restaurant.

>>150523143
Like I said, I can do it, but it's no fun for me to fap to afterwards. I know all the twists and turns, I already experienced it by writing it. I want to consume erotic writing.

>>150520748
>We're not anywhere near the ceiling though
Yes we are. I was making an AI project using LLAMA3 for the institution I work for. Nothing fancy. Just an AI custodian for thousands of pdf files spanning decades in ages. I quickly learned about AI's quadratic scaling issue. The more connections it makes, the thinner its self attention gets and no amount of GPU fixes it. It will always lose focus once you hit that limit. Its like how in coding, variables have a maximum integer value. Its like hard coded in reality.

>>150521633
Becoming a filter generator is the only way I know how AI can be used in animation. Nvm rotoscoping, my suggestion can also easily be mocapped but other than being a filter generator, that's the only way AI "contributes" viably to the animation industry.

>>150519924
That shit barely moves and it still looks weird as fuck thanks to all the little fuck ups anyone with more than half a braincell can't help but subconsciously notice.

>>150519849
As someone with a niche fetish not really, I'd honestly prefer going back to the days of trawling a pre-shittified DeviantArt

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>>150515033
Thats what i said two years age. The AI interface or system needs a backfeed option. Like you can rate a certain part of text or picture. If it is well done, what you asked for or what needs to be changed. So the AI learns what you really wanted.

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>>150520170
The problem is that AI doesnt understand things. I can only point to the“About a Hero“ movie. It has written the text in emglish. But than sudden parts use German or Spanish.
Even the death investigation is something on drugs. A technician is dead and he died by heartattack but he made a suicide note. I wouldnt trust AI with anything after this.

>>150522968
>an adult literature erotica AI
You're among friends, you can say IW

>>150522968
I do this too. What do you use? I use perchance. What I do is I give it a vague instruction and let it do its thing. Like "they have sex be descriptive as possible" and let the AI do its thing. It writes scenes in its own way how to accomplish its instructions. If it generates something I like, I focus on that. I guide its vision but I don't write the story.

>>150520621
It's still basically there, all that changed was they tried to make up for the obvious flaws by adding so many details the brainlets get overwhelmed. It's kinda like adding 4K textures to a game from the 00s.

>>150523386
Oh, don't know about that one. I use redquill. Which one is IW? Maybe it's better.

>>150523440
As I said to the other anon, I use redquill. I'll give perchance a try. And yeah, it depends on what my mood and idea is at the time. Sometimes I just want a certain character or show and I'll be vague, though it can sometimes go into directions I'm not interested in. Sometimes I like putting in ridiculous scenarios just that tickle my fancy. I got a generally good one the other day where I told it to have Wordgirl give blowjobs for charity on the sidewalk while a news team interviews her and the men. Had some fun there, along with a cuck scene with Wordgirl, Scoops and Violet that had some better than average monologues and feelings going through her head as she watches her best friend and crush having sex in front of her.

The key thing was creating components that made the AI write the characters as lolis or shotas. I tried tricking it before I learned about it by using context clues like "they're students in elementary school" etc but it'd always force something like "now in their 20s, they've returned to their class" or shit like that. With components I could get it not refer to anyone's age, as well as have it programmed to react to certain descriptors. If I describe a character as a boy or girl it's intstructed to describe these characters as young, flat chested etc, and it works for the most part considering how often it gets flagged for breaking TOS . Not that that matters, because I can still Ctrl A Ctrl C the page and paste it to read it.

>>150521067
That's true, but at the same time it was "good enough" to get the suits interested so something can be the future while still looking like ass. For Christ's sake, they used that shit for a goddamn Marvel show intro despite it look like complete garbage.

>>150523655
Most suits don't know jack and shit about the industries they work in, just how to exploit and nickle and dime the fuck out of it to make line go up.

>>150522968
Just thought I'd make a point here: I don't post these or share them anywhere. I'm not proud of them in terms of written works that I feel deserve to be out there, flooding AO3 with this slop, regardless of if I label it as AI or not or edit it. These are literally just for my own horniness, not for the sake of any accolades or clout from prompting them.

The tl;dr is that it's useless for anything beyond slop, scams and as a tech layer of deniability.

>>150522428
Studios are retarded and make dumb decisions that lead to short term gain but end up costing them more in the long run. Streaming eliminated so many avenues of revenue for them it's insane yet they keep trying to dump even more money into individual movies instead of taking less risk with smaller budget movies because they want a big massive hit all at once.

>>150513904
In the last few years. The only arguments for AI has been only for me to imagine what it can do tomorrow.
Its like a parent saying their baby will totally be the one to cure cancer when it grows up. These fuckers just expect me the take that face value because they say it with conviction.

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i don't know guys, it looks good enough, for my purposes at least

>>150515062
I have known people who use AI to "make" some things (really stretching the definition I know), usually art or music for personal consumption or shitposts - but I have never known a single person in my entire life who actually likes looking at other people's AI content unless it's meant to also be retarded shitposts where the joke is that the AI made something ugly or weird.

I don't really think that personal use is a bad use of the technology, I don't care if someone generates their D&D character or some song with lyrics that absolutely nobody would ever sing because they're about Cyril Sneer sucking his own cock or something, but I also don't understand the industrial hype whatsoever because even among normal people who use ChatGPT as a search engine or virtual assistant, the inclusion of AI-generated content in media is almost always a turnoff at best and repugnant at worst - and not just because it looks bad. There's less than no market, it's a big fat asterisk on the name of anything made with it. The only people who actively consume AI content made by other people aren't AI users themselves but old people on Facebook who don't know any better because they barely know it exists

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>>150524057
You can see this effect with Rule34 video site that separated all AI videos into a separate site. When new 3D porn clip of Totally Spies getting assfucked comes out it gets thousands of views instantly. Meanwhile the most popular AI videos on the AI site are lucky to get two hundred views at all.

i'd post my furry gen collection, but i don't want a vacation

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>>150524104
Today, I will remind them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTJvdGcb7Fs

>>150524057
That's what I was saying before. I'm not interested in other people's erotic AI fanfics and why I don't share the ones I prompted.

If AI does improve enough to create long form entertainment, it'll simply create a world where a family sits down on a Friday night with the AI enhanced Smart TV and then everyone shouts out what they want their movie to be about. It chugs for a minute or so as it loads and then the movie starts. No one else is watching this so nothing to share or discuss but they got something tailor made for themselves for an evening's entertainment.

>>150524335
That unironically sounds like a terrible way to spend time with your family. You might as well pull out a board game at that point.

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>>150524335
> it'll simply create a world where a family sits down on a Friday night
That's not going to be happening

>>150513904
Only retards thought AI would be replacing film production crews. You would need a fundamental misunderstanding of how it works to even think it'd be possible. So I'm not surprised that boomer and Gen X execs thought it could work

>>150524382
Absolutely. There's no shared experience anymore in this scenario. Why should you relent with compromising with your family when you could just take your personal device and experience something 100% tailored to you?

This is honestly a big issue of the whole AI creation, the lack of a shared culture around it.

>>150524335
This will likely never happen, not because the technology can't ever get to a point where it can generate movies but because the amount of computation required would be astronomical and require entire datacenters for a single viewer.

One of biggest problems AI is running into right now is that the computing power required to maintain generative AI is vastly unsustainable and the expensive. Pretty much every AI company right now is relying on external investment in the hopes of some future boom rather than any sort of meaningful profit to offset the insane cost. It's not really improving either in that regard, and attempts to improve performance actually come at a significant hit to effectiveness - one of the big reasons for the backlash to GPT-5 because that's what they tried to do there.

>>150513928
they hated him because he spoke the truth

>>150513928
Based anon dabbing on /co/mblr

>>150515033
This puts into words a lot of why I'm unimpressed with AI, good work Anon.

It'll never be viable in a commercial setting because you can't tweak shit. You have no control over the process or output. You just toss a sentence in and hope for the best.

It's unironically easier to just draw the damn thing.

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>>150523292
I pretty simply wanna just put cute girls in a pre-established scene.

These two images have the same prompt.

It was able to do Moon Girl OK, but when I used Ramona it copy pasted the reference image into the scene without regards to if it makes sense.

AI is OK as a parlor trick, but it can and will just shit itself for no reason.

I would have rolled the dice for Ramona again, but the AI considered it a character who's a minor in a compromising situation and no amount of telling it Ramona was a twenty something woman would convince it thst she is, in fact, not a child.

>>150520911
It's not from a bot, is just that the evidence is so empirical and clear that there's no need to open up for more perspectives or theories

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>The cope of the fleshies itt
Companies are known to make unpopular decisions. For years now they have been doing nothing but, and heeding neither feedback nor backlash. AI being garbo won't stop them from implementing it.
And what makes you think that AI developers won't create better interfaces that allow for more tweaking and ease of use. Just look at computers. Before and after Windows.

>>150513904
>>150513928
this, I'll take AI over woke garbage. and hey, it keeps the weirdos out of the industry so it's a double plus in my book

Something I've noticed is that all the people who were saying things like "democratize art" with the advent of AI haven't really come out with anything despite now having no excuses.

You'd think if there truly was some film making genius out there who just didn't have the resources to make his amazing film would have managed to prompt an amazing movie by now, even if it was by prompting several shots independently and editing it the normal way for now. But there just isn't. Just slop.

>>150526269
Because AI developers are too busy with their retarded pie in the sky fantasies about invading everyone's privacy and turning humans into pod people to think of things like "utility" or "legibility"

>150526401
Frankly, if the only barrier of entry to making their "dreams" come true was being retarded lazy cheapskates, those dreams were never worth accomplishing. There are people physically worse off than a disabled banana making art, those cheapoid fucks never had an excuse.

>>150520378
>anti-ai is cuz they're le gay /co/mblr
cool cope nigger

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>>150526401
That would've made sense if the nepotism story was true and the animation industry was stagnant because it was recycling the same talent over and over, but in reality, over the past 15 years the animation industry has been giving fresh names and outsiders and people with zero credits shows non-stop and all they ever do is poorly imitate things that were successful in the past, usually things that were successful because of novelty.

>>150526944
Well part of it are execs too afraid to do anything new. They tend to pick derivative stories or demand unnecessary changes to them for marketing.

>>150526944
Exactly. What I mean is that except for I suppose some meme images (which are just recreations of normally created memes usually) there hasn't really been a democratization of art that those suppoerters suggested.

>>150526944
>over the past 15 years the animation industry has been giving fresh names and outsiders and people with zero credits shows non-stop and all they ever do is poorly imitate things that were successful in the past
NTA but more often than not, that IS nepotism. These talentless nobodies manage to get their garbage greenlit because they know the right people.

>>150526535
>Because AI developers are too busy with their retarded pie in the sky fantasies
Altman's main concern seem to be what grand IP theft he plans to get away with next. Dude started out ripping Angelina Joline's voice and moved ton to taking the piss filter to Miyazaki.

I suppose he'll surprise us with medieval movie filter Moebius next.

>>150523057
Just wait until you realize it’s actually BlueSky…