What went wrong?
DTVA is in the same rut of toxic corporate culture as CN and WB were years ago.
>>150516551The Latinx fake outrage stating this was a racist portrayal of Mexico because of some names and the inaccurate Spanish despite this being a show about a half-Irish Latino in California who the show makes note of her lack of connection to Latino culture multiple times.
As a non-american who got cable as a kid I was always annoyed at all the cartoons that focused on Mexicans and Jews like they were something special.
>>150516551Everything, the fact that it’s a beanmouth show alone means it’d be better off not existing at all. It’s no different from any other sappy Disney TVA show these days, just generic trash about some child going on fantastical adventures.
>>150516551ICE raided the entire studio.
>>150516551It actually got decent ratings. Sadly, the strikes and the initial backlash made Disney not renew the show.
latinx "people" got mad because it depicted them semi-accurately instead of as aryan whites that speak gardener
>>150516551The characters are just really ugly, there's no way around it. You need some time to get used to them, and that's more than most people are willing to give to the show.
>>150516551Both director and main voice actress doubling down on their position when the first wave of criticism arrived thus leading to Disney entering panic mode.
>>150516652>>150517064>FUCK YOU GRINGOS THIS SHOW IS RACIST FOR PORTRAYING US AS BROWN AND AKWARD LOOKING. WE ARE BASICALLY ARYAN, PENDEJO
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>>150516551The name, basically."Oigan, primos" would have been perfect.Also there was a little girl named after the slang for vagina.
>>150517436I think that VA is blacklisted? She's doing B movies now
Well, the fact that it got greenlit for starters.
>>150516551>>150517678>Netflix and Disney had an intense bidding war for this
>>150517726>Netflix wanted thisGiven that they gave 8 seasons to Big Mouth, that tracks.
It was just okay. Tater was kind of annoying. I really hate how her nose is drawn. Her sister and her mom look fine but for some reason, I guess because she's the creator's self insert or something, they just had to give Tater an ugly pig nose. It looks terrible.There's also way too many characters. Twelve Primos is just way too many. They didn't need two Nachos, they didn't need three of those little ballerina girls, and they didn't need three non-speaking baby characters. Condense that shit all down; one baby character, one ballerina girl, one Nacho. Say what you want about Big City Greens, but they've gotten a lot of mileage out of those six core characters (Cricket, Tilly, Bill, Alice, Gloria, Remy.)
>it's Hispanic Heritage Month>Disney is too scared to celebrate it anymoreI would like some official art
>>150518041Jose is Latino, not Hispanic.
>>150518200Boy, I really hope someone got fired for that blunder
>>150517569That slang usage of "cuca" is pretty much endemic to countries of Central America, the Caribbean, and of northwestern South America. In Mexico, however, most people use "cuca" either as an innocuous female nickname or as a synonym for "linda" (i.e., "cute").https://youtu.be/l-kqP6NjD-4
>>150518041Outta the big 3 of tv animation, is Disney the one with the most Hispanic characters?
>>150516551Dross happened
>>150518594Disney maybe should've leaned more into the Mexican/Chicano angle instead the more general Hispanic one.
>>150516551Couldn't compete with The Casagrandes.
>>150516551I love Tere.terminally online retards is what went wrong
>>150516551It looks ugly as sin.Also the main character's voice actor fucked everything up.
>>150518908And a Hoonter, must hoont.
>>150516551Basing the show's idea into Americans with latino roots wanting to be called as mexicans/latinos despite not living in Mexico or other latino countries.
>>150516551Disney a weak coward company and made a show have to do unnecessary changes and spend extra money because some idiots didn't know the show was about Californians.
>>150518907Her cut episode was one of the best ones
>>150516985>obnoxious faggot makes the same post AGAIN
>>150518698Disney has a long history of Hispanic characters. But so does PBS. I associate Hispanic cartoon characters more with PBS than Disney. PBS has a long history with Hispanic characters. I remember Sesame Street having Spanish lessons.
>>150516551It was funnier than Hailey's On It, slightly, but the characters were fugly as shit, and nobody likes hispanic people not even (and especially not) other hispanic people (especially ESPECIALLY those from one shithole over)So they should've just gutted Primos at the first sign of trouble and gave its animators/writers to HOI, then DTVA might not be... you know... completely fucking dead rn
>>150516551The old thread died so fast. Too soon to make it again
>>150516579Yet CN is somehow so much worse these days. They are literally months away from death
>>150519500CN is dead, it died years ago under AT&T it was just a zombie that no noticed till the shows ended.
>>150516551I like how everyone actively acted like they cared about mexico and what we thought of it to justify being mad at a kids cartoon that was going to get two seasons at most and be forgotten anyways
>>150516551spics got really pissy over gringos trying representing their culture and failing miserably
>>150516652Tater’s old VA comments about the latinos didn't help the case either
>>150516551It's ugly
>>150520336There was some outrage but mostly from YouTube grifters, most Latinos were just baffled over how badly they screwed up the language, representation and other decisions (even if it was intentional, that wasn't know at the time). Overall, regular people just dismissed it as "gringos being gringos" and laughed at them accordingly.It wasn't until, as you said, the VA made her comments that the same group who was just mocking the show took real offense.
>>150517436If they had, day one said, I am a mexican american and this is about my experiences, and that's why the spanish is weird, they would have evaded ALL the negative shit. INSTEAD, >The Spanish language was forced upon Latin American people by Spanish conquistadors. And mispronunciations and misspellings do not diminish her identity as a Mexican-American Native-American womanAnd she said this in English, of course. Any diversity managers and sensitivity people they had on this project need to be ejected into space. But it's not enough to just avoid controversy. They needed a reason for people to give a fuck, and a bunch of Chicano squatmalan looking mutants that aren't even the fun kind of weird isn't it. Casagrandes at least had the rule 34 weirdos attached to it. This didn't even rate that. >>150516652>fakeLOL.>>150517627She's doing bit parts in upcoming projects.AND DID FUCKING CONCORD THE GAME.
>>150517432Fucking this and I'm tired of people blaming anything else Same shit happened with Casagrandes For whatever stupid reason Gringos decide that Mexicans need to look like the most hideous goblins imaginable to be recognizable as Mexicans and then get offended when the show failsLoud House was designed to be cute and appealing like a newspaper comic and spergs still keep it alive to this day What the fuck is literally any of the designs on Primos The LOSERS of a "worst fucking character design" competition? They couldn't even win first place because they were generic on top of uglyI don't care how much controversy a show has if it's dumb fuck ugly to look at and not even in a cool stylish grossout way like Ed Edd n Eddy or the Rat Fink
>>150517526Look, it's /pol/ and Brazilian DeviantArt!
>>150518908italians, irish, and slavic people are white
>>150519414And now the existence of PBS is severely threatened. I wonder why....
>>150520336Gringo sheeet.
>>150521512No they ain't notNot a single goddamn potato Jew or dagowop is welcome in the ethnostate
>>150516652This. Spics getting offended over their own narcisissm.>>150520360And this also escalated shit out of proportion. Also wdym old? She should've gotten fired over it but didn't.
>>150520336No, they got pissy because they thought that was the case but in the end it wasn't.Victor and Valentino actually did this but nobody gave a shit about that.
>>150520461This show would be airing their second season rn if her PR manager had gotten ahold of her in time
>>150516652This plus that one VA making that retarded comment about colonizer languages is why it went out of control. It should have been fucking obvious even from the preview that it was set in LA and focusing on someone with only a bare understanding of their heritage, the Luhtinks response was genuinely retarded and the VA just sent things into the stratosphere.>B-but the characters are UGLY!Yeah, everyone in the show is regardless of their skin color. Grow a spine you fucking "machismo" bitches.
>>150516551>What went wrong? Literally everything...
No Gordita feet episode
Nellie should've been MC
>>150516551No one is clamoring for hinga cachinga dodinga shit, not in English anyways.
>>150522987>Everyone in the show is uglyThe designs of the white kids and the father seem appealing enough. Right next to rest of the mutant cast, they seem like gods kek
The thing I really don't understand about the "controversy" behind this show is how it pissed off Latinos from everywhere in Latin America even though the characters are expressly Mexican, and Mexicans look and act very distinctly compared to the rest of Latin America and the rest of Latin America kind of hates them. It'd be like if a Frenchman got mad at how a Romanian was portrayed because they're both Europeans.
>>150516551And it's no lie; however, shows, or spin-offs, where charismatic supporting characters become protagonists and are successful are very rare...
>>150518041Honey Lemon is Hispanic? What the fuck?
>>150524685Well, there is a few things to go over. First, LatinAmericans were not outraged as much as they were just exhausted of Americans trying to represent them (the original outrage was by YouTube grifters). Second, the VA made her comments and because she directly attacked Spanish as a language, it wasn't Mexicans but the whole Hispanic side of LatinAmerican who took offense.Third, you may not believe it, but LatinAmericans have a very strong sense of camaraderie when it comes to "outside threats". Sure, there is a lot of infighting, like bitter siblings, but just as quickly they can change to "If you threaten one of us, you threaten us all" mentality. Pic related puts it best.
>>150524649it was supposed to be based on her family and since she liked didn't come from good stock a lot of them were ugly, even as children
>>150522752No one cares buddy, a white is a white.
>>150516551Many things went wrong.
>>150524685Because American shit culturally is a megaton bomb vs an aztek with an obsidian sword. Spanish has actual institutions that regulate spanish, and lots of customs. The way Disney reacted, it was very clear that the production wasn't aware that there was a difference at all. A closer example would be is if they used that Romanian for European pride month, to celebrate france, and they have him speaking fucked up frennch and also made baguettes with dog feces in them and declared how proud he was of it. And then AFTER some french people objected, they started screaming about Roma oppression, and that the fuckers in paris have no right to dictate to romania about france.>>150525085On top of this, the latam countries are all explicitly mixed between spanish, and indian heritage, plus some whatever leftover chorizo. And you see some friction, the semi slurs of "anglos" or "gabachos", which literally mean english and french but refer to all white people, and all americans, probably canada too . So having a clueless MECHA chianix proclaim that spanish was a colonizer language....in ENGLISH of all things was at the level of an Uncle Rukkus sketch to them.t. Chino Pendejo. (Japones) .
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>>150525261Some years ago someone leaked a business pitch Power Point of Primos and it included an old photo of Natasha and her cousins. They seemed like regular kids, there was nothing off-putting about them.
It was ugly and I don't have to like things that are ugly and unappealing
>>150524859Her voice actress is a white latina from Miami who also voices her in the latin american dub of the movie.>Question: Do you think the world is ready for a Latina Superhero? What Powers would she have?>Answer: Honey Lemon is latina and she happens to be a superhero and the world is ready for her. As you can see she pronounces Hiro in a latin accent. Like a term of endearment. I was allowed to put something in Honey Lemon which is the accent. Honey Lemon uses action words like Photo-Photo, Ayy, Waasss which sound latino.https://livingsweetmoments.com/big-hero-6-movie-interview-genesis-rodriguez-meetbaymax-michimu/
>>150517749Big Mouth is/was apparently popular. If they couldn't even make 12 Forever a hit after CN passed on it, then Primos would never have a chance if Disney passed on it.>>150518698Without crunching the numbers, I'd say Nick has way more.>>150520336>gringoThe creator is Mexican.>>150521438>For whatever stupid reason Gringos decide that Mexicans need to look like the most hideous goblins imaginableThat's the thing: They really are.>>150525085>notices the lack of CubansF those Judases.
>>150526029>The creator is Mexican.Natasha Kline is LESS mexican the the taco bell dollar menu. >>For whatever stupid reason Gringos decide that Mexicans need to look like the most hideous goblins imaginable>That's the thing: They really are.So, how would you describe Guatamalans?
>>150525976>As you can see she pronounces Hiro in a latin accent.What is a "Latin" accent? Even country has different accents. The dub used "neutral" spanish so she sounded like everyone else.
I'm glad it died and a massive fuck you to anyone who liked this trash
>>150526271>even country*every. Stupid autocorrect.
>>150526271I am japanese and thought she was mexican american when I watched the movie, in english and never thought about it. I hear shit proounced hundereds of different ways.Reviewing, she seems to pronounce it differently every single time, which ironically enough I've heard from some mexican spanish speakers and uninghed brazillians.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-0xpLkioDUabout 15 seconds in she says it like on the movie poster.at 1:10, she rolls her R on it and uses a pitch shifting. This is the mexican as fuck one.. 1:45 Cuts the r short. 3:00 She sounds more like a hyper energy valley girl most of the time.
>>150526609Do english speaking mexicans talk like that? I'm pretty sure she doesn't pronounce Hiro like that in spanish.
>>150526744Never any mexicans. The Chicanos? Sometimes. An exaggerated version.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLqqZmNFa_ABoth are chicanos.The Real standard, that means the spanish goverment standard is to pronounce shit as it appears in it's original language, so actual mexicans sound closer to native Japanese than the chicanos.Japanese showing up in Mexico and Peru for seemingly random reasons might also be part of it.
>>150526887>Both are chicanos.Chong is Chinese.
>>150526905The chicanos have adopted the chino. Try taking him to china, who see everything including half of india as chinese, and see if they recognize him. He's one of them now.
>>150526744>>150526609This is in line with any hispanic person who had parents with an accent but grew up somewhere where there weren't any other people with accents.Basically all the youngest millenials and oldest gen z girls sound like this
>>150526905Nah he is just so high all the time his eyes are always like that
>>150526887It's weird how spanish-like the japanese language sounds. I guess that is why subbed anime is so popular in latinamerica
>>150522987It’s so funny that they still get baited by people when you call them Latinx. Nobody, and I mean nobody. Was using that seriously in any setting besides super progressive college seminar spaces largely filled with white people who wouldn’t even allow them in those spaces. Ironically them saying “you can call me a slur and I won’t get angry but don’t call me Latinx” has moved onto them saying “Latinx is a slur don’t call me that!!”
>>150527307>Latinx is a slur don’t call me thatWell, latinx is used as a slur in the internet. An unfunny one. Spic sounds funny but latinx can't even be pronounced. It's the perfect bait word.
>>150527294I suspect Japanese pronunciation shifted slightly to be more latin back in the Sengoku era because of the traders and the Westaboos. A few of the consonants change around the time right before Tokugawa.A bunch of their words for things are just spanish or Portuguese dating back 500 years.Pan. Castella-which is a kind of cake. Melon pan, which is a concha. Confeito candyWhen they sent their first ships to the east to America, they ended up in Mexico, and seeing what the spanish did to the indios freaked them the fuck out and was a part of them deciding to kick everyone out.Even today, I don't think you even need a visa to visit if you're mexican.
>>150526321This
>>150526029>Nick>Dora and Diego>The Casagrandes>El Tigre>Danny Phantom's crush>SheenWho else?
>>150519500it's "dead" as in they're not making anything except a few shows at a time now but the name is still relevant and people all over the industry are clamoring to work on their stuff
>>150527370>but latinx can't even be pronouncedYeah it can, luhtinks.
>>150527294It's because they have a similar soundbank.>I suspect Japanese pronunciation shifted slightly to be more latin back in the Sengoku era because of the traders and the Westaboos.That's fucking retarded, the Japanese sound shifts wasn't due to limited trade contact between a handful of traders and the Spanish in the 16th Century and follow natural shifts of consonants that occur in other languages without suddenly linguistic displacement from outside influence.
I should watch this.
>>150516551bleh
>Latinos got angry when Disney created a hispanic princess (Too white)>Latinos got angry when Disney revealed Primos, a show created and designed by a hispanic woman.Disney can't win this battle.
>>150530270>Latinos got angry when Disney created a hispanic princess (Too white)Bullshit. Latinos love white characters
>>150530381I guess that explains DBZ and Saint Seiya.
>>150530270>2012has this shit really happened for this long
>>150530270>Too whiteAnon, no one want to see brown people in comics and cartoons
>>150530434Latinx put up a really tough front but will bitch incredibly hard about even the tiniest things.
>>150529244>It's because they have a similar soundbankThis and to elaborate a bit more, it is because, for some reason you can call coincidence, destiny or language curiosity, Japanese and Spanish share the exact same 5 vowels (except for a just slightly different u).If we go by IPA:>a: Open central unrounded vowel>e: Close-mid front unrounded vowel>i: Close front unrounded vowel>o: Mid back rounded vowelThen in the case of u:>u (for Spanish): Close back rounded vowel>ɯ (for Japanese): Close back unrounded vowelWhich essentially means that they are exactly the same vowel with the only difference that in Japanese the lips are unrounded while in Spanish they are rounded.
>>150530671Those are the most common vowels out of all languages, it kind of makes sense that they'd turn out that way. Some have less and some have more, but it's extremely common for languages to just have those five. It seems like they're just the first five sounds that humans found the most easy to vocalize.
>>150530381This. If anyone was offended, it was gringos on behalf of Latinos, who according to the same gringos, should know better.
>>150530381>>150531374
>>150530270>>150531558I just read about that cartoon. It seems it's a fantasy world, not latinoamerica.
>>150516551Mom could've been hotter.
>>150529036But it's ok when Cartoon Network does it
>>150532859But people wanted more Rocko, Arnold and Invader Zim
>>150531558>National Council of La Raza>"United States's largest Latino nonprofit advocacy organization"Hmm... yeah, I keep what I said.
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>>150533037Arnold and Zim maybe but nobody wanted more Rocko
>>150533823Arnold and Zim are different types of series that were not completed.Arnold had a proper ending, and the true finale, the Jungle Movie, was cancelled due to the poor results of the first movie.Zim, on the other hand, was cut short due to production issues between Nick and Jhonen Vasquez.The movies happened then due to years of fan demand and a chance to exploit nostalgia.
>>150525564>the level of an Uncle Rukkus sketchMy sides. You nailed the explanation, anon.
Hailey was better.Haven't touched any DTVA shit since I Wanna Dance With My Buddy, nor do I have any plans to.
>>150516686As a hispanic american, many white Americans really havnt had a sense of "culture" of their own outside of just mindless consumerism and hustle culture, so that why they tend to fetiishizes ours even if our "customs" are like 90% equivalent to the rest of the world
>>150526029>>150517498I'd argue that the average Mestizo Mexican sorta looks like a midpoint between a North African and a Samoan.
>>150516551Reactionaries on social media made a mountain out of a mole hill.
