Genuine question. Is this show overhated or is the criticism deserved. What exactly makes this show SO hated to the point it has a dedicated hate fanbase? Does the fanbase feel slighted or something? Is it as bad as everyone says? All I see from this is a small group of people sucking off the show and everyone else dunking all over it. Does it deserve the hate?
Isn't it Monty Oum who has a dedicated hatebase more than the show?
>>150517687Everyone loves monty and hates the show.
>>150517616>Does it deserve the hate?Yes just try watching it
>>150517616The show 100% deserves the hate. It gets the hate it does because of how much goodwill RT had and how much potential the show had and they pissed it all away.
>>150517616What I don't understand is how the jannies grew to hate RWBY. It probably triggers their dysphoria with how they'll never look like real women. This is unironically probably the reason they banned threads of it for the better part of the last decade.They hate us because they anus.
>Does the fanbase feel slighted or something?This part. If you've met people in the RT fandom, they were a very parasocial bunch who formed emotional attachment to the company and tended to make a lot of their online friendships via the community under it. Because they were so attached, they couldn't just say "it sucks now" and kept hanging on. Then it kept sucking, but they hung in there for "the part where it starts being good again". Then it kept sucking and that's when a hatedom is born. They invested too much and won't let the sunken cost go
>>150517616Been here since the beginning. I remember people hating the original style of the trailers. Then hating that they had voice acting, then hating that RWBY had a story instead of a Dead Fantasy-style series of vignettes of nothing but Monty fighting. They hated the voice acting, the animation, the writing for the latter half of the first season, the fact that nobody but the main characters had defined models (because there was no budget), how the background models looked when the shot got a budget, how season 2 went even as it improved on things.Then there was a lull during season 3 because Monty died. People still complained though. From volume 4 onward people here have hated basically anything the show could possibly do, from the shift in animation engine to the writing, to the music. You're going to have people who ribbed on monty for the early volumes looking shitty turning around to claim he's rolling in his grave because his friends decided to keep his dream alive by continuing on in his name. I think volume 9 is the best the show's been since 3, not that it matters when nothing they can do will ever convince people that it's nothing but a trash fire they'll rant about until the end of time
Forgot to mention, people hating the voice acting for being nonprofessional friends of the studio , and then hating when the studio picked up some bigger names to fill the roster.Also that fucking manifesto from the animator which basically kickstarted most of the modern discourse
>>150518730>Also that fucking manifesto from the animator which basically kickstarted most of the modern discourseThe Shane letter saga was honestly so unique because everyone knew that Shane was a mentally ill biased source but a lot of the discourse was just "what's true, what isn't?"And then the animator stuff happened as people slowly realized that more was true than not
So when the fuck Volume 10 trailer?
>>150518680I agree that Volume 9 was one of the best volumes. I just hope Volume 10 keeps to that quality because Volume 8 was mediocre. I also think there is still some interest or Viz would have never bought it and then brought back the writers with it as well now but that remains to be seen. The best argument people can pull up in regards to its popularity are just google trend charts which are meaningless anyways.
>>150519128I predict April 2026 at earliest
>>150518730>people hating the voice acting for being nonprofessional friends of the studio , and then hating when the studio picked up some bigger names to fill the roster.Two different groups doing the hating, retard.
>>150518680>>150519545>I agree that Volume 9 was one of the best volumesWhy do y'all want this rule of cool action series to be a mental health PSA so bad? Nerds like you ruin stories with your pretentious sensibilities.
>>150517616>Genuine question. Is this show overhated or is the criticism deserved.i mean the show wasn't really THAT hated outside of 4chan in the beginning. was there criticisms? yes but they were just that. nobody was really wishing ill will on the show or RT over it at the time. hell, monty actually posted in the generals here occasionally.that said pretty much all of the hate you see for RWBY started when monty died with most of the criticisms levied against it being that they weren't following monty's vision for the show and just doing their own thing (whether you think that's true or not is entirely up to you. i personally don't believe he left anything beyond vague ideas for RT to work with in the first place).>>150519545i just want them to do a full reboot of RWBY instead of continuing from RT's mess. new writers, new VAs, no RT influence just a full on clean slate. anything less is just polishing a turd or trying to defibrillate a rotting skeleton at this point.
>>150519980They need to finish the story before making a reboot. Even if it's rushed, fans want a conclusion and they'll be constantly asking what was supposed to happen next
>>150517616>Is this show overhated or is the criticism deserved. both at the same time, the show is woke garbage and when the author died it got worse and worse. but people are overreacting with their hate, acting like the show has nothing good and its existence is a sin.
>>150519978>rule of cool action seriesThis show hasn't been like that for years.
>>150520017>Even if it's rushed, fans want a conclusion or they'll be constantly asking what was supposed to happen nextif that's really the case then if i were viz i'd just go the MK or soul calibur route and just say the OG timeline was the "dark" timeline where everything went wrong.there's really no course correcting or salvaging what RT did to RWBY. it's better just to start over from scratch with unanswered questions than to trudge along like a zombie towards a conclusion that nobody but the remaining hardcore fans you haven't chased off actually care about that might not even be satisfactory in any meaningful way.
>>150520017>They need to finish the story before making a rebootNo they don't.>fans want a conclusion and they'll be constantly asking what was supposed to happen nextThere isn't enough demand to justify it. This shit costs money, moron. Wasting it for an extreme minority of people for so little reward is insane.
>>150519978Volume 9 was cool though. RK Jaune is cool. The EA is cool. Volume 9 is RWBY back to its original roots for the first time in years even.>>150519980No chance of that and even if there were they probably wouldn't risk doing it either.
>>150517616The hate stems from how the show was on the edge of being something magical, but it fell into a habit of squandering itself. You can't really deny that it's a unique premise that lends itself to something that could have been awesome had the stars aligned properly.>alchemy theme (RWBY's colors allude to the Magnum Opus), something that persists throughout much of the story>fairy tale/folklore/mythic/literature inspiration >pulling from Bleach, Soul Eater, Final Fantasy, Cowboy Bebop, KH and other Squeenix JRPGs, character action games, fighting games, and the "anime girls with guns" genre>coming off of the tails of ATLA, The Batman, Totally Spies, Teen Titans, the Boondocks, Black Dynamite, and the 2000s anime boom in generalI've always felt that RWBY should have tapped into Evangelion and Twin Peaks as influences considering that both works directly or indirectly inspired nearly everything Monty was a fan of (90s Japanese stuff). As someone who was a passionate hater of it years ago, I think that the negativity towards RWBY runs deeper than just parasocial attachment. The failure of RWBY marks the transition away from the classic era of Youtube, the 2000s anime-inspired cartoon trend, and the end of the gold rush that was the original indie animation scene on YT with stuff like Machinima. People want RWBY to be good because they want that brief outlook of hope to have been something that stayed with them forever, that sense of "I could do this too".
>>150518680>>150519545Volume 9 wasn't good. I've been there since the beginning too and no the show did not receive the level of hate it does after shane's letter. Volume 9 had insane plot points, a confusing and deranged message, OOC shit, the whole Bumblebee thing, Not addressing important shit like Jaune killing penny and the awful pacing. It admittedly started decent but fell off so hard. There's no defense for how the show turned out. If Volume 10 is similar quality to 9 it's joever. It's a miracle it isn't already joever. And yes the show is at a massive low point in terms of popularity that's indisputable. The only value in this IP is non canon beacon spinoffs and maybe a reboot. There only reason they are continuing the current story is because having a completed story is important for brand security. They are obviously going to wrap it up asap. >>150520061And that's the problem and why it sucks.
>>150518730The shane's letter shit seemed to have A LOT of truth in it. Also yeah it was retarded to waste a large amount of budget on big name voice actors. You can hire VA's that don't break the bank.
>>150517616It's overhated. The show deserves a lot of criticism but it's not on the level of some truly terrible shit out there. It's more disappointing than downright terrible, I feel people are just more upset by the direction it took and all the missed potential they saw.In the end I still view RWBY as a fun but flawed show.
>>150519980A reboot is the only way forward for this franchise>>150520176>no chance of a reboot>this guy againThey'd be dumb not to reboot it at some point. The main story is a mess to the point it's a meme. The only question is when. Also no V9 sucked.
>>150520310>>150520343Samefag and a desperate one too
>>150520323>People upset at the direction it tookNah, people keep bringing this up as some deflection. "You just don't like the way the show went" when the reality is the show made a lot of very dumb writing and creative decisions and seemed to drop a lot of setup. The writers are obviously reactive writers. There's far more bad than good in the show.
>>150520323Ignore the guy who responded to you, he is dedicated to trying to force the perspective that it needs a reboot and starting issues in the thread. You can tell whenever he enters these threads he has a serious obsession despite "hating" the series.
it deserves the hate because they added this faggot into the show.
>>150520343A reboot isn't happening.
>>150520352>>150520374>>150520380>seething rosegarden fag who already got outed as a samefag and spergs over people wanting a reboot is back.
>>150520395Yep confirmed you're the same schizo from the other thread, this is why people shoudn't listen to you
>>150520380It needs a reboot
>>150520395>everyone who disagrees with me is one person
>>150520408You were the one samefagging and sperged out when you got called out and started accusing everyone else.
>>150520374>>150520380>This loser again
>>150520418How can you even say this while making posts like >>150520395You are not even aware of how mentally ill you come off.
>>150520374Most people think a reboot is preferable. You just don't want a reboot because you want your ship to happen dog.
>>150520377Oscar is one of the worst mistakes they made holy shit.
>>150520428Prove it
I doubt a reboot is happening. I don't think it's particularly needed either. You only need two Volumes the same length as the others to finish up the show in a conclusive manner. Not everything would be done justice but the show is such a clusterfuck that that's probably going to be true regardless.
Its incredible how easy it is to trigger and set off the Rebootnigger. Lmao.
>>150520427>>150520444Nigga you legit think that everyone on /trash/ who wants a reboot or didn't think V10 was happening was one guy because you got called out for samefagging. Fuck off retard.
>>150520444It was never one person retard.
>>150520441Its already confirmed its not happeningThe indian who comes here begging for it every day is mad because its already confirmed V10 is in production so he does this instead.
>>150520374Why do you have this idea a reboot is the minority position.
>>150520352>>150520374>>150520380>>150520408>>150520444For those who aren't aware this is a deranged RG shipper who get's really really mad when you bring up the possibility of a reboot because he's afraid of his ship not happening. He wants volume 10 and for RG to be made canon because everyone on trash laugh at him for his dumb shit and got so asshurt at being accused of samefagging he now accuses everyone who doesn't think V10 will come out (which of course it will) or wants a reboot of being the same person.
>>150520444We're all reboot niggers. This show is ass.
Yes, it is genuinely THIS easy to set off the rebootschizo; He doesn't realize his mass replies and samefagging are obvious. Just look at what he did to this thread at the drop of a hat.
>>150517616I want someone to actually tell me what's good about anything after volume 3.
>>150520504The MILFs
>>150520487I still don't think V10 or rosegarden is happening.
>>150520487A reboot is definitely coming one day. The question is when.
>>150517616The criticism is deserved up to a point, and the show is over hated.A lot of it is the fact that the people who love RWBY refused to ever acknowledge any problems and treated it like it was perfect on top of "Small indie company please understand" defenses.While they people who hated it started off with perfectly reasonable criticism, but because of the above group refusing to acknowledge it, the group that criticized it became more concerned with making the show out to be the second coming of the anti-christ. Often hypocritically so, with wanting them to do "more show less tell" only to turn around and go "The show isn't telling us anything! No you can't look at the scene and infer what it's saying, that's doing the writers job!"And because of the increase in hate, there came an increase in defense, to the point of just writing off anything the show did wrong.So it's really just two groups wanting to be right about their opinions rather than discussing the show itself. So the hatred isn't born out of hating the show itself, but the fact that they want to feel validated. It's why that same group who completely shit on the show whenever they get the chance continued to watch it season after season, and begrudgingly want to see it get a season 10 so they have an excuse to keep shitting on it in order to seek validation rather than just move on with their life
>>150520462Yeah you're definitely the same retard from that thread because you can't understand that V10 happening doesn't mean that a reboot won't still happen one day.
I actually think Oscar is alright. It's better than the alternatives I've seen some people suggest such as Jaune or Torchwick. Jaune becoming Ozpin's host is really weird and would totally change things.
>>150520530Yeah its ironic how the same niggers who will beg for a reboot or shit on Volume 10 are the ones most anxious to watch Volume 10 of all people.
>>150520377>le brown Jaune
>>150520176Volume 9 was lame as fuck are you high? The pacing was so all over the place and there was barely anything happening. Jaune didn't even kick ass. >No chance of a reboot. Why?
>>150520530>It's why that same group who completely shit on the show whenever they get the chance continued to watch it season after season, and begrudgingly want to see it get a season 10 so they have an excuse to keep shitting on it in order to seek validation rather than just move on with their lifeThat's why I don't hate watch things. As frustrated as I am with some of the decisions the show made, I do still like it. If I truly hated it I would've dropped RWBY long ago.
>>150520532I really need to make an image of you with like a SAAAARRR do not redeem Volume 10 or something one of these days
I think it warrants some criticism but not for the popular reasons that get paraded online.I think the main thing holding it back was episode run times and the fact the show itself has protagonist-centric morality when it comes to Ruby and the constant weird allegories to modern politics, which always fuckin sucks for any shows.If it ever finishes, I would love a JNPR-focus reboot--mostly because they ironically feel like actual friends.
>>150520377Real. Oscar was always lame and gay
>>150518680Despite being someone who defended the show constantly, they really dropped the ball with 7-9.RWBY and Co could have prevented so much by just being honest with Ironwood about Jinn and Salem so they could come up with a plan together.Instead they hid information until the last minute, and Blake and Yang decided to reveal the secret of Amity Arena to Robin forcing his hand into having to make that public before it was ready as well.And the show bends over backwards to make RWBY seem in the right the whole time, leading into volume 9 where Ruby is literally "reborn" as herself because she's "perfect the way she is" on top of reality itself bending to make Bumblebee happen.That was some of the most egregious shit, and when Volume 10 comes out I want at least SOME acknowledgement on RWBY's part that they were in the wrong and played a hand in Atlas being destroyed.But other than that, I do mostly agree with you that it was hated from the start, and now people have become outright hypocrites in hating the show because "Monty would have hated it" when Monty was a man who changed his mind every 5 seconds when he was working on it, so no body knows what he would have turned it into if he was still here
>>150520530I think Ruby deserves most of the hate but not all of it. I think a lot of the hate comes from the fact that the show just didn't get worse it fundamentally changed into something different. It became lame and gay. The vibe is all off. But the people who love the show love the tumblr feelings fest it turned into like this nigga >>150519545 >>150520061People hate what Ruby turned into symbolically more than the actual writing (which was never good)
>>150520352I've been on the trash threads and you accused me and at least one other anon of being a samefag over the V10 thing. I know for a fact you're wrong because you grouped me in. And yeah, I think someone's analysis of you being emotionally attached to the current story is why you're so invested in V10 and anti reboot. Get a grip please.
>>150520534Oscar is a terrible edition to the cast and is just redundant. People who are his "fans" even recognize he's a nothing character. The show would be improved without him.
>>150520606When 9 was coming out, it was pretty fun. It seemed like they were aiming to actually address the protagonists centric morality, only to drop the ball SO hard with the last episode.I just wish Jaune's fights as the RK didn't get cut.
>>150520487I don't understand how someone can care this much about a garbage ship in a web series that they form a vendetta against an obscure internet general.
>>150520570>protagonist-centric morality when it comes to RubyTo be honest this actually made me personally like Ruby more and although it's probably not intentional on the part of the writers it's fairly realistic. Ruby's a young girl in a horribly fucked up situation who everyone kind of keeps relying on and trusting even when there are others that should probably be taking the lead instead. Most of the bad shit that happens in RWBY isn't directly her fault and her faults and moments of hypocrisy are pretty realistic and expected. She fucks some things up but at the same time hardly anyone else ever comes up with a better idea.
>>150520377Oscar being added is when I KNEW this show was going in a cringe direction.
>>150520606>leading into volume 9 where Ruby is literally "reborn" as herself because she's "perfect the way she is" That's not what happens and that's not what that scene is saying.
>>150520647I'd honestly be fine with it more if the show just acknowledged her hypocrisy, everyone else had it as bad as her too.Closest we got with it was Jaune's speech and Neo's mansion.
Jaune should have been the main character.
>>150520670Yeah? Lowkey? Maybe not as the start, but it should have been some Johnny Joestar shit where they gradually let the character carry the weight of the story. Especially since the main tonal shift of the show was a scene where his sort of gf fucking died.If the show wasn't named RWBY, it'd unironically be so much better.
>>150517616>Does the fanbase feel slighted or something?Yes, and that's the real reason it's hated. It's because of the parasocial relationship formed with RT and the split in the fanbase after Monty's death. The show went in a very different direction after monty died so people accused RT of not doing what monty wanted because the show felt so different. The show is bad and deserves to get shit on but the hate comes from feeling robbed of what they were promised. They wanted cute girls fighting monsters, not a millennial therapy session and lgbt pandering. They're pissed they got rugpulled. But the people who love therapy shit and lgbt pandering come to the shows defense because they're the audience who loves garbage like that. RWBY became their territory. It's why this show is in the gutter.
>>150520323The direction the show went was basically "we're not going to have meaningful payoffs for anything and make all the characters act retarded for plot reasons".
>>150520692I remember watching the earlier seasons as a kid, and I was a total Jaune self inserter. Cared more about him and his gf than the main rwby squad.
Volume 3 > Volume 9 > Volume 2 > Volume 6 > Volume 1 > Volume 4 > Volume 7 > Volume 5 > Volume 8
>>150520730Jaune never had a girlfriendPyrrha is his orbiter who died
>>150520730Thing is, all the characters are kind self-inserts (Barb and Arryn especially are the WORST offenders of this), but Jaune accidentally ended up being the most relatable to the male audience because he stumbles a lot. There's a reason he's got a ton of fanfiction under his name.
>>150520666Ruby was 100% in the right when she and Jaune had that tiff. Or at the very least they were both in the wrong.Yeah, Jaune was alone for a long time and had his own shit to deal with but Ruby had only just learned about Penny's death a couple days ago. To Team RWBY, all that shit happening in Atlas is super fresh and while Jaune doesn't know about this, Ruby has been struggling the entire time in the Ever After and just bottling things up. Also, Jaune himself disparaged the Paper Pleasers and the Ever After right before Ruby's big blowup. He's also objectively wrong about them and was just deluding himself. And as much as Jaune criticizes Ruby for her plan at the end of Vokume 8, what was his plan? What his his idea to save the day? He didn't have one, they all went along with Ruby. And it doesn't matter anyways because Cinder had the Lamp, which Jaune even knows about. So no matter what plan they came up with it still wouldn't have worked because of Cinder. It's not Ruby's fault. Also at that point Jaune is like 50 and Ruby's still a teenager. >>150520670>>150520692I genuinely don't understand people who think this.
>>150520761>Ruby was 100% in the right when she and Jaune had that tiff.No she wasn't faggot.She called the Ever Afterans he took care of for almost a decade his "imaginary friends" right after they basically died.Jaune knew those little niggas longer than he knew Ruby by that pointRuby lied and crossed the line and when Jaune responded to her it was with the cold hard truth that she wasn't willing to hear.
>>150520761I wasn't really talking about the specific conversation but more so the fact Ruby did fuck up with Ironwood
>>150520761Ruby was a massively bitching to Jaune and Jaune was right to call her out for her stupid as fuck plan not working. Jaune had been there for 20 fucking years.
>>150520377It was actually cowardly how they went from Jaune housing Ozma to this guy. I like Oscar. He's maybe useless as a character but he's okay. You hating him is weird. But anyways, literal cowardice. The fans had been complaining how much screentime Jaune got so it scared Miles and Kerry to go with the original plan of having him hear Ozma. There's no way Joan of Arc hearing God wasn't going to be the play for Jaune.
I think people who claim Jaune was going to have Ozma ignore that Jaune has absolutely zero green on him so that shit doesn't make sense by RWBY color rules.
>>150520761>I genuinely don't understand people who think this.I've met a TON of dudes irl who agree with this anon. If they were going to have the major tonal shift happen where it did, then it'd make sense to focus on Jaune instead.
>>150520804Look at Oscar's original design and tell me that shit is not just Jaune
>>150520804That's not how that works. Plus a "his eyes glow green sometimes," is a thing.
>>150520487Probably some fugly brown fuck.
>>150520840If you're the Hulk maybe
>>150520787She fucked up with Ironwood but the show does acknowledge this, Ruby knows she's being hypocritical and wondering if she's made the right choice. I think Ruby did make the wrong decision, but Yang, Blake, Robyn, and Ironwood himself are way more responsible for things getting fucked in Atlas than Ruby personally.>>150520789Jaune should know that it wasn't Ruby's fault the plan (that he endorsed and went along with) didn't work. He has no right to complain about that. It's all perspective on the other points, to Team RWBY the failure and death is still fresh, to Jaune it's different. I sweat Jaunefags are making me hate the character and I really don't want to because Jaune's really solid in Volumes 1-3.
>>150520804Oscar is an obvious replacement for Jaune look at Jaune's concept art.
>>150517616The problem with RWBY is that the only reason the show ever existed was to be a platform for Monty Oum's sick anime fight scenes. Then Monty Oum died. The show lost its reason to exist at that moment.
>>150520377I hope he isn't in the reboot.
>>150518680>volume 9 is the best the show's been since 3agreed, it was still deeply flawed (I basically agree with >>150520606 so I won't bother to reiterate) but for the first time in a while it felt like the show was finally living up to the promise it set in early volumes of "RWBY goes on interesting adventures with cool fight set-pieces" instead of getting bogged down in a plot most people stopped caring about. Part of me hopes the writers just have RWBYJ fuck off somewhere else and explore a different world since Remnant is fucked and it's not like RWBYJ can do much about it. Any win will seem like an asspull so I'd rather the portal spit them out somewhere else.
>>150517755I'm not sure why you posted that pic
>>150520534>Jaune becoming Ozpin's host is really weird and would totally change things.Why do we need this host shit? Why do we still need Ozpin?>>150520865Your show sucks. Get over it.
>>150518680>>150520352You're getting criticized for a dumbass take. Also he's not samefagging if he's replying to different people you dumbass.
>>150520865I think Jaune was right in calling Ruby out for the paper pleasers and how she basically implied they didn't exist. And for calling out Ruby for not helping. And don't give us "he was 50 she was a minor" thing, his friends literally just "died" in front of him.That's also just kind of a bad faith argumentMaybe not more so for the plan, but I don't really think they've punished Ruby enough to make her actually compelling.
>>150518680>I think volume 9 is the best the show's been since 3, not that it matters when nothing they can do will ever convince people that it's nothing but a trash fire they'll rant about until the end of timeI'm so sick of faggots like this defending the show. Overhated, maybe, actually good? FUCK NO. Volume 9 was one of the worst fucking volumes by far. It's ending was so ridiculous and bad and most the the volume was spent on literal filler where FUCK ALL HAPPENED! Do you need to be reminded of the bridge scene? I swear the fanbase for this show are just delusional.
>>150520804>Jaune starts without any green>Gets a bit of green when possession starts>Gets more as possession progressesOutfit/appearance changes to reflect character changes are a pretty basic trope
>>150517616RWBY will always be a great indie show as an idea. It is simple and clean and beautiful all the while. Everyone in here is talking about the hate it received. If RWBY maintained and improved on the quality it had in S1-2 it would have remained a 7/10. The creator died and for those of you who don't understand the vibe Monty had both with RWBY and RT office culture, he would work insane hours just because he's rather be awake and working than sleeping. So. A lot of scripts and animations were poured over by him even if it was to just iron things out. There's a reason S3, the first one after his death, is nothing but constant tournament fight scenes he had already animated and very little worldbuilding/exposition episodes. After that, the plot just meanders. That is what killed the hype of RWBY. It just meanders. That and Miles and Kerry don't understand writing.They shouldn't have left Beacon so early. That was probably in the script already (if for some reason that wasn't Monty's vision they're psycho), but the fact Blake's entire arc ends with Adam and Weiss' ends with Atlas shows how they did not fucking plan for these characters. Furthermore, it can NOT be understated how Burnie and Miles and Kerry and RT as a whole killed their company because they're fucking retards. Everyone in the studio were insufferable yuppies. Without Monty to hammer RWBY together with staying up 20 hours the show had no one else competent enough to keep it together.
>>150520487I see a pattern in a lot of discussion. The same guy coming in, saying that the show is actually popular, the show didn't go downhill, we don't need a reboot, a reboot is IMPOSSIBLE! And of course simping for that ship. I hope this shit doesn't get a reboot, it really doesn't deserve one.
Should've copied Soul Eater more and made Jaune and Ruby the dual protags.
>>150520237Saved post.
>>150520929Yeah, I don't think RWBY was ever meant to be as serious as it became. Too much of a switch too fast.
>>150520865Ruby was the leader, not Jaune. When the plan doesn't work it's the leaders fault. He trusted Ruby and she basically doomed the entire world. You're glazing this show in this thread and shitting on Jaune for whatever reason but your points are super fucking weak.
>>150520849As in when Ozma is talking.
>>150520907Nah. Punished Ruby is hands down the highlight of S9. The Justice Legue stuff even hints at her no longer caring if she dies. She's fucking based and Rubes needs a hug from me, the man married to her and her 3 sisters.
>>150520948Never trust the genki girl to come up with the world saving plans. Ruby works fine as the show's mascot character, but she doesn't have it in her to lead or save the world.
>>150520938Jaune fits Pyrrha and Weiss more than Ruby
>>150519545>I hope we get the same quality as one of the worst volumesVolume 10 is not going to be good or perform well. Also if you're insisting the the popularity hasn't diminished you're just living in lala land. >>150520017I don't see why they need to finish a really bad and unworkable storyline. They'd be way better off cutting their losses with the current story which is doomed to fail and giving the franchise some time before rebooting it and trying again with different writers.
>>150520944It was kind of meant to become serious. This is constant imagery in S1-3. They just weren't good at expositing that.
>>150520967>Jaune fits PyrrhaThey step on each other's toes, do nah.>and WeissIf you're asking for something like Zelda, sure. But the premise is a fast paced rule of cool show, so nah.>more than RubyHim and Ruby work for Battle Shonen. Ruby has that Rule of Cool shit just by being a goth lolita with a big bitch of a scythe, so she needs to be the main heroine. Therefore, the both of them gotta be together.
>>150520965See. To understand why RWBY went wrong you have to be arguing in a position of "I like this thing, how could it have worked?" Ruby has magical eyes. She is the hero archetype of "Parent has already previously been killed by the big bad." She has the means and sacrificed to have "earned" winning the plot. The plot just had to morph in an ENTERTAINING way to get her and her allies in front of Salem/The Brothers and do her thing.
>>150518822Shane is always going to be the unsung hero of RWBY/RT's story. The dude was just unreliable as an employee. Give him lowered work and lowered wages and say "Hey, sort out your divorce shit and neuroticism and when you're ready to come back to work, we'll be here." Burnie and the company just didn't like him because he had some sway over what RWBY "was." It's no mistake Shane got fired in the wake of Monty's death and there was a consistent trend for the next ten years that their animators were shitty and maliciously underpaid. Fuck RT. Shitlibs faggots don't have the balls of a fatcat to come out and gloat how they're stealing from you. The RT people you saw on camera were all snakes.
>>150520938>>150520990Based
>>150517616Maka is 100 times more badass than Ruby.
>>150518822>>150521046They absolutely fired Shane because they wanted to take RWBY into a different direction and have control over it and used some of his personal problems as an excuse for it. They wanted to make RWBY a tumblr show.
>>150521072Soul Eater is pretty fucking dumb too though.
>>150521087That's because you hate fun.
>>150521058>>150520990Ruby? Pyrrha? Weiss?Everyone knows Jaune's REAL love interest here
>>150521106>I can fix herNo you can't.
>>150517616>Is this show overhatedIf anything it's underhated
>>150521119Who said anything about fixing her
>>150521148Nigga
>>150521153Evil pussy is the best partGet it together, anon
>>150521175You're forgetting the everything else.
>>150521283You just don't get it
>>150521375Nah, I get it because I lived it. You don't want it.
>>150521417Salem could get itAt least she's not BPD like Cinder
Faggots like to pretend this show is overhated so they can feel like all the shit it gets is unjustified. It isn't. The show sucks and is fairly shat on.
>>150517616No, in fact it deserves more hate.
>>150520614>rule of cool action series>This show hasn't been like that for years.>But the people who love the show love the tumblr feelings fest it turned into like this niggaYou are retarded and can't read.
>>150520310Why don't you mention the parts that people like about this volume and just talk about the parts that everyone hates?
>>150521576>>150521632Samefag
>>150518680>>150518730Don't pretend that people have always unjustly criticized the show. That "HTDM" as people who defend rwby would call it didn't start until after volume 3. You're not the only one who has been around a while and no the criticism ramped up as the show got worse. Yeah people complained about the voice acting or no background characters but that's nothing like where we are now, you're conflating these things. You're trying to pretend the show didn't go get worse over time and actually there's always been unjust hate thrown at it. The show did get worse and as it got worse more people hated on it. And Shane was largely vindicated so you can't really use that as an excuse either.
>>150521685The show got worse, but the hate was over the top at the same time.
>>150521700If anything the show deserved more hate
>>150521700I really don't think so. All of the most common criticisms that people levy against this show are pretty valid and fair. The only thing you could really say isn't fair is saying "this isn't what monty would have wanted" because honestly that's impossible to know or argue about. The "HTDM" is just a boogeyman the FNDM concocted to try and pretend the people shtting on the show is some conspiracy. You have people who really try and glaze the show and defend and shout out all criticism so people who rightfully have their gripes have to shout back harder. You have a lot of disgruntled fans unhappy with the direction being shouted down by dumb people. But people don't even care anymore. All the former RWBY fans just feel apathy towards this franchise. There is no HTDM anymore (if there ever was one) because you have to care to hate something. And apathy is the death of an IP, not hate. If people are angry they still care. That's a common rule. RWBY does so much wrong it's hard not to be baffled by it.
>>150521751I'm not saying the criticism isn't valid, I'm saying people were exaggerating with their hatred, like this idiot.>>150521740
Why don’t they just hire one of the Death Battle animators for their fight scenes instead of trying and failing to do that themselves. They had to literally retcon Ruby’s semblance from superspeed to transforming into flying petals, because they’re not good enough to animate characters moving as fast as they used to in V1-3. Why not just get like MOR0 or Torrian to handle all that instead?
>>150521766lol,Death Battle sucks.Also, when the companies got together it was already the sixth or seventh volume, and they already had the entire team of animators.
>>150521761I'm being completely serious and you're a massive faggot
>>150521761If anything that comment is mild for a 4chan post. If you haven't noticed on this website in particular people are way more vocal and harsh. You can't use people on this website being mean to claim that RWBY is overhated.
>>150521775Didn’t they already buy out Screwattack before V3, hence the episode of Tifa jobbing to Yang just to advertise the next volume?
>>150521761He's right the show deserves more hate it's lucky people don't give a fuck anymore.
>>150521766>Death BattleNo one in the current DB production team is as talented as Monty or a professional animation studio. Watch Ruby vs Maka if you don't believe me. Its animation and choreography were worse than Monty's Poser works from over a decade ago. The writing was even worse, by the way. DB and MKEK's writing go hand in hand.
>>150521829But anon it had so many shiny special effects so it must be good
>>150521778
>>150521788>>150521795Samefag>>150521791I think it was another company that owned both and then merged into one later.
>>150521997>everything who disagrees with me is a samefagAre you going to keep accusing everyone of this all thread?
>>150519545> The best argument people can pull up in regards to its popularity are just google trend charts which are meaningless anyways.They absolutely aren't meaningless. That's cope. And even if you want to pretend they are you can look how each trailer got less and less views every time. You can look social media engagement. The franchise cratered. V9 did not perform well and 10 will only do worse.
>>150520310I don't agree with this at all. The best parts of Volume 9 are where we get the conflicts or the action sequences or the character introspections that reference back anyways. A lot of which is concentrated at the end of the Volume, not the beginning. There's a reason the most watched parts of V9 - aside from the BB kiss which actually is funnily enough not THAT popular in terms of views - are Jaune's reintroduction, Ruby's crash out and the return of Ruby/vs the CAT. Saying the best parts of Volume 9 are the first parts of Volume 9 is pretty insane to me so I don't even know where this is coming from. >>150520614>like this niggaThe person who replied later in the chain is not me. I fell asleep.>>150520978>>150522216I don't think there is any way to judge that without at least seeing it first. I know the popularity has diminished but google trends is frankly a laughable resource to point at for something like this.Trailers are a bit better but guess what? Although the characters shorts we get for V4 and of course the original V1 trailers are mega popular, this isn't as straightforward as you think.V2 Trailer: 1.3M viewsV3 Trailer: 1.5M viewsV4 "Intro": 4.3M viewsV5 "Intro": 3M viewsV6 "Intro": 1M viewsV7 Trailer: 1.3M viewsV7 "Intro": 3.1M viewsV8 Trailer: 782k viewsV8 "Intro": 1.4M viewsV9 Trailer: 587k viewsV9 Teaser: 716k viewsSo ignoring the longer more character focused stuff like the V1 trailers or the V4/V5 character shorts, we actually show that the series peaked around V4/V5 in terms of audience retention before (obviously) V5 shit the basket and dropped it. Then there is another drop around V8 time and a smaller drop for V9 as well. I'm not saying the series didn't lose popularity as well, I am just saying it is completely dead is inaccurate and Viz at least seems to think V10 can bounce back enough to fund an additional season (which they already seem to be doing based on the announcement earlier this year anyways).
>>150520978>>150522216Also, one more thing about the standout clips from V9 for reference tooRuby comes back from ascension - 2.1M views - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3wQMon2bJUWeiss sees Older Jaune and creams herself - 2.5M views - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTA-pn7UF40 (there is another 500k video too lol)Ruby loses it - 984k views - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E21F-PAzUZ0So yeah there are actually some fairly popular things from V9 that are apparent immediately if we go by views. Funnily enough Bumbleshit isn't one of them, the best one being around 335k views for the kiss. While I think these shouldn't be compared directly to the trailers and like, it does show what the audience wants and what direction Viz should actually take if they continue the series. Which are strong actions scenes and actually funny or well done romance or comedy and all the rants and character moments we have wanted to see for years, like Ruby fucking flipping out at what happened in Atlas.
>>150522296>>150522322If RWBY was still popular RT wouldn't have shut down. They wouldn't have had issues getting volumes 8 and 9 greenlit. 8 almost didn't happen. And none of those numbers are that great. 700k for a teaser is terrible especially because YouTube as a platform grew substantially. On Crunchyroll RWBY only got into the low 30's in its ranking. >Viz at least seems to think V10 can bounce back enough to fund an additional season (which they already seem to be doing based on the announcement earlier this year anyways).People have said this before but the primary reason ViZ bought RWBY was because it was sold on the cheap and ViZ publishes profitable RWBY manga and most likely wanted to retain the rights to that. Just protecting their product. Allowing MKEK to finish the series isn't about having faith it's going to do well, but an incomplete series is actual bad for brand confidence. If they axe it it doesn't look good in the books. This is a common marketing thing. So letting the series wrap up as cheaply and quickly as possible so they can tie it with a nice bow is in their long-term business interests, not in revitalizing the franchise or believing they'll make profit even (in the short term). But stop saying "ViZ must think that the series can bounce back if they bought it" because they've bought IPs before they did nothing with and they probably just bought it so they could keep selling their manga. Again, they bought Homestuck and did nothing with it. Look at how much engagement the official RWBY channel gets, it's nothing, the V10 announcement got 77k views. Most videos get 2k views. >it does show what the audience wants and what direction Viz should actually take if they continue the series. The series is almost over there isn't a new direction to pivot to. MKEK are still in charge. You have 1 season 2 tops left, you aren't really going to take the show in a different direction. RWBY isn't going to get better.
>>150522296>>150522322Also again, Google search trends are a completely valid metric to help measure popularity.
Hey here's a wild idea you know the character Monty Oum made for doing CUHRAZY fights that operate on rule of cool? How about having her do CUHRAZY fights that operate on rule of cool instead of dicking around aimlessly and getting her ass beat by Roman fucking Torchwick
>>150522776RT shut down for a LOT of reasons. RWBY was hardly the trigger. Pretty much every single one of their other shows besides Red vs Blue flopped horribly. There was lots of useless spending going on and the company was structured terribly. Plus they had been bought out and ultimately the company above them just decided to close it down once they realized that RWBY was one of the few things keeping it afloat, if it even WAS keeping it afloat.I didn't say the numbers were amazing, I said that the views show that the popularity isn't as linear as you are claiming or somehow dependent on just V9. The drop from V7 to V8 was way worse, for instance. Plus RWBY switching platforms from V8 to V9 probably hurt it somewhat too. There are a lot of factors to consider.>People have said this before but the primary reason ViZ bought RWBY was because it was sold on the cheap and ViZ publishes profitable RWBY manga and most likely wanted to retain the rights to that.And I think maybe a year ago this was a fine explanation but now that Viz and the official RWBY X account have announced they are working on V10 it is past this point. Clearly they are trying to finish it - and I doubt V10 will be a rushed attempt at an ending. I make no claim on whether V10 will be successful or not either, but there were elements of V9 that clearly worked (as I showed from the videos above) and honestly in my opinion V9 was one of the better volumes. But that gets down to individual taste.>the V10 announcement got 77k views.Because its not even a V10 announcement, the actual V10 trailer or teaser would be more telling, it was literally a one-off status update that doesn't even have "V10" in the title. >>150522783No, I don't think so and frankly they contradict the trailer stuff I just posted anyways. Regardless the ones with the actual metrics that matter are Viz, gotten from RT data, and they decided to go forward, at least for now. So that does mean something.
>>150522776>>150522783Also one more thingIf the question is if there is still interest in RWBY, besides the fact that we are obviously talking about it right now - and people probably have this discussion every day too on X and Reddit, etc. - just look at Dust Queen Episode 1's views.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuCHFi81UQ4&t=1s500k views is nothing to scoff at for a complete fan project that isn't even official RWBY material and takes several liberties with the story, like forcing all yuri ships. There clearly is still remaining interest in RWBY and I think that's what Viz is relying on. But like I said I am not going to assume V10 will be successful or not...I am just going to say interest remains.
>>150522930>the actual V10 trailer or teaser would be more tellingTelling us the show's dead. Nobody cares anymore.
>>150522967>There clearly is still remaining interest in RWBYNot enough to matter, bro. Just having some numbers isn't enough. Supply and demand. If the demand's not there, why continue to waste resources just to supply?
>>150522975And again, if you look at what I actually posted, you could see you are wrong but that doesn't stop you from making these posts I guess.>>150522995And how are you able to decide this? Again, Viz already made the decision to make V10 and they know better than any of us. You can't even accuse them of being RT or MKEK or something, they are a totally independent organization who decided it was worth it already. And I have no reason to contradict them nor do I find any points made her convincing to contradict them either given I just went over the only relevant date we even have.
>>150523022>And again, if you look at what I actually posted, you could see you are wrong Clearly not.>And how are you able to decide this?Bro, you don't know how much any of this shit costs? Like I said, the audience ain't there.
>>150523082And how are you deciding this? I already posted the watch numbers and again while it didn't do well for V9 there were some standout moments people liked and the situation was similar for V8 to V9 anyways too. Regarding those reddit posts, I am pretty sure the reason funding RWBY even became a problem was because they weren't just animating RWBY at that time, they were animating the other shitty shows too. That's where all their funds went. It's not that RWBY can't stay afloat, its that it isn't a juggernaut which can carry other things on its back. Which is fair especially for such a small studio.
>>150523082>A single minutes of rwby's 3d animations cost $25k There is no fucking way, they started 3d animating in maya because the maya devs sponsored them.
>>150523495>the maya devs sponsored themThat's the first I've heard of that. Could you elaborate?
>>150523147Bro, I don't know what to tell you. You're clearly too autistic for this to register. You can't profit if the audience number's minuscule compared to the costs that goes into it. Supply and demand. Shit's common sense, which you clearly lack.
>>150523495It might be accurate but keep in mind it comes from Barbara lol.I'm sure they are crazy inefficient on costs compared to actual animation studios as well.>>150523621And yet, again, an actual company decided for the both of us already, so that's more telling than you trying to claim it has no popularity left (I just showed V9 videos that have millions of views for instance) or how the cost benefit somehow isn't there while knowing dick all for the costs that go into making it.
Yeah I'd say it's definitely overhated on here at least after reading this thread. Like how can you say it's underhated with a straight face after all the shit it gets?
Yeah I'd say it's definitely underhated on here at least after reading this thread. Like how can you say it's overhated with a straight face with how little shit it gets?
>>150523657>I just showed V9 videos that have millions of views for instanceThe ones you posted are all there is. Everything else is in the hundred thousands and less. Even the fight compilations. That's trash numbers for something that isn't indie.>an actual company decided for the both of us already, so that's more telling than you trying to claim it has no popularity leftBro, why are you so hung up on this? Shit's clearly dead, and yet here you are sperging about it to high heavens. RWBY ain't the hill to die on, my guy.
>>150523777I mean, like I said, there are certain moments they should clearly focus on if they make V10 which was in my original two posts that I made this morning in response to all the talk that happened overnight. So yeah obviously that's all there is. Those moments show what people actually want if RWBY is to continue.>Bro, why are you so hung up on thisI'm not hung up on this, I mostly stated my opinion about V9 and commented on Viz buying it and the recent announcement. That was it. Other people like yourself seem more hung up on this than me since that was like 3-4 sentences max at first.
>>150523813>there are certain moments they should clearly focus on if they make V10And you know they won't.>Those moments show what people actually want if RWBY is to continue.And they won't get it with the same crew.>I'm not hung up on thisYou clearly are.>Other people like yourself seem more hung up on this than me since that was like 3-4 sentences max at first.Says the guy writing whole essays.
>>150523915I HOPE they will. That's what the post was about. >says the guy writing whole essaysAgain my first post in this thread was not even close to an essay. >>150519545The only reason I am "writing essays" now is because I am responding to people also writing essays. Like yourself, assuming you're the same anon I was responding to at first.
>>150523950>I HOPE they will. That's what the post was about.Keep hoping then.>The only reason I am "writing essays" now is because I am responding to people also writing essays. Like yourself, assuming you're the same anon I was responding to at first.I'm not.
>>150521833It wasn’t greased with gnome semen or hammered to perfection by dwarves with autism, so no I don’t think it’s good
>>150523813If making a whole new rwby thread on another board just so you can shill this show here as well isn't hung up then I don't know what is
>>150524178I did not make this thread, what
>>150524195Please don't lie. No one believes you with how obvious you are
>>150524265You're getting a little weird dude. I made an opinion post like 2 hours after the OP was made. I didn't make the thread.
>>150517616It's overhated by people who don't watch it. People who have seen tend to have a more balanced hatred. There is plenty wrong with this show but a lot of hate is out of context.
Rate my hot takes>They should of kept using the old engine/models from S1-3, it looked more 'natural' for RWBY>Cardin needs more screentime>Adam deserved better or atleast get some redemption>I never gave a shit that Bumblebee was canon>JaunexRuby should of been end game
>>150518680Volume 9 was a shitty filler arc that accomplished almost nothing besides getting rid of Neo and giving Ruby the illusion of character development. Even the big lore drops had very little actual impact.
>>150524500Be careful, you might anger that WKfag
>>150517697Monty died young enough to be lionized and likely avoided falling into lolcow territory like a lot of his peers. It's both amazing and disturbing how many e-celebs from the era took a turn for the worse.
>>150517616Been watching from the start, a comment requesting Ruby vs Maka on a Death Battle vid made me look her up, about a week before the Yellow Trailer. I rewatched the trailers hundreds of times. I joined the wiki in anticipation of the premiere, helped with coining the popular ship names. I saw the early theories about Ruby being a monster hunter, Weiss a princess, Blake a mercenary and Yang a bounty hunter. I was in the youtube comments arguing with people who hated it solely because they didn't want non-Japanese weebshit encroaching on their turf.I gave Adam and Ruby's voice acting a pass cause they'd obviously improve. When it premiered I gave the non-fight animation a pass cause the image I'd built of RT being a couple guys in a garage inspired me, made me happy to see a pasdionate weeb pursue his dreams. Ep 8 sealed the deal that I'd love this shit forever. By the time volume 1 ended, I thought this was the coolest shit ever made, and that's all it needed, Rule of Cool. V2 continued the hype up until the last episode's stiff fight animation and anticlimatic ending took off the rose tinted glasses. I decided I'd lower my expectations to avoid disappointment. When I heard Monty died I raged at the heavens and thought that was the end of it. So I was suprised when I saw V3 was 5 episodes in. I got to binge 6 eps and while the fights were noticably different, they were still energetic, and Yang vs Mercury still had that Monty style. The rest of the volume made me love it more than ever, I can still remember how hyped I felt watching RNJR walk away over Salem's monologue.Then V4 came, and fights were slow and kept cutting to reaction shots and lore became stupid with actual gods involved, all stakes about the world being overrun with grimm were tossed. V5 killed all investment when nothing happened and what did happen was boring. Decided to wait to binge V6 until I heard what they did to Adam, I dropped it. Then Ironwood made me pray for their downfall.
>>150524560Given Monty's personality, there's a fair possibility he could've become a tranny.
>>150517616The show is overhated. That's not to say it is good, but there are plenty of worse things out there that don't get nearly the same rep. It's a thing where many people sense the show could be way better but isn't, and that makes them hate it.Unless you're one of those fans that keeps gobbling all that shit writing.Either way, the fanbase sucks.
>>150517616It's not overhated, it's underhated.
>>150517616I actually think it's not hated enough in some respects.
>>150524632Should've introduced the Grimm equivalent to the Arrancar. Would've been cooler.
>>150517616i'd say it was over hated at first, but it earned it's hate later onas someone who was watching rooster teeth stuff before this came out (i was like still a kid at the time) and was an anime hater, so anything that resembled anime made me angry i didn't like the direction RvB was going with the whole plot about the about the secret agents or whatever plus the monty oum fights made it too anime for me, so when i saw the rwby trailers i knew that this is the direction they wanted to gonever bothered watching it until way later when i grew out of my anime hate phase and decided to watch it with my sister it was more funny to see how amateur it looked, but once they fixed those problems, the actual plot and story and characters just ended up being pretty bad the writers got way too far up their own ass, getting really uncreative with characters and making strange writing decisions
>>150524523>Volume 9 was a shitty filler arc that accomplished almost nothing besides getting rid of Neostill hard to believe that she's goneshe lasted like 7 volumes, was part of the series since almost its inceptionit will feel weird watching RWBY without her
>>150520747Jaune was in love with Pyrrah when she died. That mean she count as a gf
>>150525396Anon she was missing for like two volumes and only had 4 minutes of screen time before that.
>>150525431>Jaune was in love with Pyrrah when she diedHe was?
>>150520761Ruby tried to kick Jaune when he was already down with a blatant lie (and a hypocritical lie at that because she clearly cared about Little only after knowing him for like a day) and Jaune put her in her place and she cried and ran away like a little bitch. Some MC you got there.
>>150525588Sorry you're a massive autist
>>150520963>Punished RubyI think you need more than your average woman’s worth of willpower to not succumb to suicidal thoughts after being in Fairy Tale land for a whopping one and a half days to be deserving of being called “punished”.
>>150518730Can't believe she got away with it
>>150517616>Is this show overhated or is the criticism deserved.Yes and no.So the show has a ton of flaws and fuck ups and that’s worth criticizing and mocking. But for some reason this show attracts an absurd amount of <80IQ wannabe critics who shit on the show for the most retarded reasons imaginable.Pic related is an infamous example.
>>150525737She’s a woman, and therefore can do no wrong.
>>150525588No
>>150520633>It seemed like they were aiming to actually address the protagonists centric morality, only to drop the ball SO hard with the last episode.They did that every episode.The commentary track for the season is riddled with "Well we were going to have a scene of self reflection/Ruby and Jaune talking about Penny but it was cut because of budget"So instead it's just never addressed at all and Ruby becomes validated in what she did when she commits suicide and is told she's perfect before coming back
>>150525588He was not. Arkosfags cope to themselves that Jaune actually loved Pyrrha all along and that he’ll always regret not returning her feelings. In actuality she was always just a sperg who would rather push the guy she liked away to another woman then tell him he liked her and Jaune is allowed to be sad because his fucking partner and mentor died without also wanting to bang her.
>>150525396RWBY becomes more an MKEK series rather than a Monty one with each passing volume. The HH, Tyrian, Oscar, Maria, and the Ace Ops outliving Adam, Penny, Neo, Ironwood, and other Monty characters is a sad but expected outcome. We will get next Vacuo fanfic OCs.The bigger issue is that most of the remaining Monty characters got butchered a lot. I don't doubt they would have ruined also Neo had she remained in the plot. She's too much of a challenge to write well for the showrunners.
>>150525742RWBY killing Faunus across many volumes is an ICE allegory.
>>150520929>That and Miles and Kerry don't understand writing.Miles is a decent writer if you look at his time writing RvB.Does he need someone to maybe steer him a little? Sure. But that's not really a condemnation of Miles as much as it is a reminder not to always stick with your first idea when writing
>>150517616I'd lean toward over-hated. It stumbled and fucked up at places sure, but its not something like Gen Lock or something. I think part of why it gets some of that hate is because there is definitely potential there and people are frustrated not seeing it realized or working out how to 'fix' it.Plus you have to admit, the show has come far in terms of just how much its gotten compared to other IPs, which could further contribute to the target on its back
>>150521829>is as talented as MontyMonty was talented yes, but that talent was largely in part to him stubbornly sticking with Poser and pushing it to it's limits, so it seemed more impressive.The death battle animations for Weiss, Blake, and Ruby all showcase their abilities far better than the show has in years.They are every bit as, if not more so, talented than Monty. They just don't kill themselves by refusing to sleep and trying to force an animation program to do something it's not meant for.Just because Monty's dead doesn't mean you have to glaze him
>>150526055They already ruined Neo though. They made her another spoiled rich girl just with an extra sprinkle of schizophrenia and woman moments through all of Roman Holiday.
>>150526168like many, I don't care about rvbwe want RWBY to be good, not rvb
>>150526282>The death battle animations for Weiss, Blake, and Ruby all showcase their abilities far better than the show has in years.Still inferior to Monty's and actual animation studios. GLITCH puts them to shame.
>>150524632Honestly as someone who joined at v2 and dropped at v4. I just remembered putting v4 on and just saying "wait, this fucking sucks. It's more detailed but the fights are generic and boring now."
>>150522930>>150522967>>150523022You haven't given any good reason to discount Google trends. Denying them IS a cope. And yeah they aren't going to line up perfectly with trailer views obviously but they are still a valid indicator of search traffic. marketing firms actually use Google search trends as a data point that they take into account for business strategies. And again, I already explained in detail why ViZ would be making V10 Despite their primary interest is just protecting their rights to the manga. And they aren't even "making it" so much as allowing it to be made at obviously a massively reduced budget. It's simply about long term brand health not believing it will bounce. All the numbers point towards a decline, a steep decline from V7 to V9, there's absolutely no reason to think that V10 is going to buck that trend at all. In fact the large gap between volumes is going to lead to audience retention plus switching platforms AGAIN. V10 is not setup for success. Also RWBY was RT's biggest IP easily, and it wasn't profitable. Trying to blame other shoes for RT failing is more deflection. The biggest tell that everyone knew was the preference of the justice league movies which was terrible. After those failed utterly to make a return WB put them on the chopping block. Without RWBY there was no RT at that point. Stop saying "There must be interest because ViZ bought it!" Because it's ignoring a lot of what I said. There is not a lot of interest. 500k views is not a lot on YouTube anymore either. There clearly ISNT a lot of interest anymore. Again, look how poorly their YouTube is doing. Look at the V9 trailer. You really think people are going to come back for V10 after the terrible reception V9 got? You might like V9 and people might glaze it on imdb but audience reception was awful and it became a meme. You're also assuming ViZ isn't just fucking up with V10. I'll repeat, the bought Homestuck and did nothing with it.
>>150526289>>150526055Not even Judgmental Critter and Celtic Phoenix can write Neo, as much as they complain about MKEK or Roman Holiday. They infantilize Neo and dumb her down in their stories.
After what Roman’s original voice actor did to RT Animation it was just real sad realizing RWBY or any of the other shows they were making were never gonna be anything great. RWBY had too many cooks (though it doesn’t help the head chef died) and mismanagement really seemed like a common thread across the company for a long while until the company died (and came back?)
>>150526453Holy essay, Batman!
>>150526499desu writing Neo at all is a mistake. She's a cool side villain and the more you write her, the lesser she is for it.
>>150526541>She's a cool side villain and the more you write her,Judgmental and Celtic actually don't write a lot for her. It's more like she's OOC.
>>150523147>People watched some clips on YouTube therefore there's enough interest to sustain the show.No. A million views on YouTube is not a lot anymore and casual YouTube views do not translate into blue ray sales or Crunchyroll subscriptions. People didn't even give a shit about the trailer. >Regarding those reddit posts, I am pretty sure the reason funding RWBY even became a problem was because they weren't just animating RWBY at that time,No dude, what are you on? It says right there that the budget for RWBY was 25 to 35k per minute. Not other shows, RWBY. that's not taking into account other shows. RWBY was the one eating all the budget and not making a return. It's RWBY'S fault RT died. you cannot sustain that on YouTube clips getting on average views less than a million. It's less popular now than it was in the power days. You just want what you're saying to be true.
>>150526351Dragon Prince before Dragon Prince.
>>150526289>>150526541You complain but never provide examples or solutions. Don't be another rwby critic. How are you supposed to write Neo, or why nobody can write her?
>>150526351I thought things being slower in V4 was fine because of the craziness of V3, but V5 was the breaking point for me. I remember starting V6 after hearing it was a lot better, but my interest had diminished too much to continue.
>>150525374The writers really made such bad decisions it was very easy to hate them.
>>150517616I don't think it's over hated. The reason people hate it so much isn't just because it's bad, but because it change. It changed so drastically and became something that wasn't what people signed up for, along with RT and the LGBT fans being shit bags about it. I'd say it was more easy to pick on, so a lot of people did, but none of it was unearned.
Hey, guy who recced this fic to me last thread: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13853215/3/The-Choices-We-MakeWhy did you rec this as a "good fanfic"? I want to know if any thought went into this rec other than "I read it".
>>150526791I liked it. That's why I rec'd it.
>>150517616>Is this show overhated or is the criticism deserved. What exactly makes this show SO hated to the point it has a dedicated hate fanbase?Lots of assumptions here. I think most don't hate RWBY but rather dropped it and moved on. Remove Celtic and his small circle of obsessed haters, and 90% of RWBY hate videos would disappear from YouTube. Just because around 7 people spam hate videos, that doesn't mean most hate RWBY. The general feeling for this series is disappointment and apathy, not hate. Most of the former fans don't care anymore for RWBY enough to hate watch it.
>>150526791>betrayal ficlol
>>150517616No. It got what it deserved.
>>150526878Nah, it's just Pyrrha snitching because she wanted to protect Jaune.
>>150527126Another volume to be made?
>>150527203Yes. Death is to kind.
>>150525396Roman was a dumbass. He had to get involved with an evil witch instead of just fucking off with his cutie illusionist sidekick who was desperate for his cock
>>150527220Salem wins (loses) again!
>>150527532They shouldn't have added the Salem and Maiden stuff. It fucked up the show in the long term.
>>150517697It's true but also weird because the show wasn't good even before he died. I think he was just cruising on his RvB fame, which he only animated on and didn't write (not that the writing there was great either but at least it was funny).
Having the leads be all girls ensured that they'd have tumblr grabbing its ass. Damn thing wasn't guy friendly enough, especially when it came out. Anime fans were already getting their fill elsewhere too.
>>150527882I mean, several of the team members had tumblrs themselves (I known Arryn did), so its not that surprising they weren't concerned about that. Jaune did catch a lot of shit too in the beginning for basically being a threat to the team lezzing out like they wanted them to.
>>150526289>spoiled rich girl>spoiledShe was full on neglected and locked in her room. Besides it's a better explanation than her being some random homeless kid Roman found and some how trained to be five times better at fighting than he is and in a completely different style.
>>150527532Speaking of, Neo being so pissed at Ruby made no sense. Roman was fucking winning. It was (indirectly) Salem that fucking him over.
>>150528198Counterpoint, Neo is a w*man
>>150526289>They made her another spoiled rich girlWhy do they keep on doing this?>>150528049>She was full on neglected and locked in her roomWhy do they keep on doing this?
>>150527882>Damn thing wasn't guy friendly enough, especially when it came out. Anime fans were already getting their fill elsewhere tooJoJo was coming out and Crunchyroll was going strong during the early volumes. Not to mention Naruto, One Piece and HxH were all still airing. RWBY wasn't reaching the heights they were reaching even then. It became a thing that mostly girls were into, while guys were watching the above. It rejecting its rule of cool premise ensured it'd stay that way. Especially now that battle shonens are expected to have cool fast paced fights.
>>150528049She got locked in her room after she started going on fucking crime sprees. And when locked in her room she almost killed herself in a house fire because being retarded is just apart of Neo’s character now. Every shitty action she took in life before meeting Roman was because of her mommy and daddy issues. Neo sucks.
>>150525742I remember people got mad at Yang and Blake for killing Adam, because "good guys shouldn't kill."
FUCK IT RWBY REWRITE:>Characters are literally anthropormorphic books now. Much like how gacha games will turn ships or race horses into anime girls, RWBY characters are (public domain, of course) books and mythos literally turned into anime people. >They fight each other because each book wants to prove who the “truest“ book is or some shit>They fight Grimm because they represent Ignorance and want to destroy all knowledge by killing Bookpeople or something>Characters “aura“ is represented by paper flying off them or something, (for example RWBY turns into paper when she does her rose spin, Blake fades into paper when she fades, when a character is mortally wounded they turn into paper) this fixes the problem of gore in the RWBY universe. >Transformations are based on characters within said books, (for example Ruby has a big bad wolf transformation to please the furry audience, Yang has a bear one)>They still fight with hybrid weapons that can turn into guns. that fits the book theme because uhh war is always changing yet stories stay the sameThere RWBY is now perfect. You’re welcome.
>>150529059>Ozpin's transformation is a big green head
Let's lighten the mood of this thread a bit.Who's your favorite design?
>>150521078>They wanted to make RWBY a tumblr show.You could plainly see that by the direction of the show past volume 3. They had no ideas aside from cliff notes from the dead creator, but what else could they do? They had people employed and needed to keep the business afloat. They grew to big for their britches. They even had a golden ticket with Camp Camo and caved to social pressure for how edgy it was, and the racial higher bias in voice work. The stereotypical libtard mindset of enforcing oversight into everything.They were more afraid of their tumblr fanbase than their own passion in producing good entertainment.
Summer's name should've been Briar Rose to keep the fairy tale theming. But then that'd imply she wasn't dead but in a coma somewhere.
>>150528394She being hidden away before the crime spree because they thought she was a violent schizo who was making up the Neopolitan shit.
Think Ruby and Weiss were originally sisters. Yang WAS added later, and the Malachite Twins were based on concept art for both Ruby and Weiss.
>>150529227>Implying Summer isn't aliveShe joined Salem.
>>150529418Yes, this is actually correct. Which makes it funnier how people were saying Ruby and Weiss should be fucking or something. They were literally designed as sisters to an extent.
>reading the fanfic>Jaune has camping knowhowImmersion ruined. Miles is supposed to be literally born yesterday and have literally no abilities. Why was he allowed to exist when RWBY was being made
>>150530845>its the retarded self-insert argument again
>>150530895Stop denying that he's used as a self-insert by Luna.
I watched the first 3 seasons of RWBY and it slides into a weird zone of being absolutely terrible while also being kind of charming because of how amateurish it all looks.
>>150531027He's not practically every single other member of the two teams is more of a self-insert than Jaune
>>150517616Like the Dead Island franchise, it coasted off good will from a fantastic first trailer.The porn helped too, frankly.
>>150517616The retards tried to take a shonen waifubait show and turn it into tumblrbait. Removed all the "problematic" elements a.k.a. all the cool shit.
>>150531253All the porn I've seen sucks.
>Someone keeps mentioning that v10 will definitely be released.>I'm looking for information to verify this; maybe I missed the latest news.>There's no confirmation that v10 has been greenlit; they don't even have a draft of the script!Fuck you! You can't announce something that doesn't even exist.
>>150531428Kerry announced it was in "early writing and planning" on his YouTube.
>>150531428https://x.com/OfficialRWBY/status/1941582029952311673And since then the writers have been frequently tweeting about working in a writing roomAlso Neath Oum a few days ago tweeted that he was doing some voice acting basically and since his only known role is Ren...
>>150531554I know, I saw the video, but that's not a green light for v10.Besides, it's Kerry, the same guy who said he wouldn't stop writing the v10 script after RT shut down. Oh, surprise, he didn't write anything for a year and waited for someone to pay him to do it.
>>150531618The thing you're missing is that the date Kerry published that video is also when he appeared at the Viz anime expo panel in person and announced what stage they were at there. Viz approved this message.
>>150531685nta but I've yet to see links to what kerry actually said on stage or what the "official" announcement was. Did he just say the same thing he said in the video? A real greenlight is when they have an animation studio and are moving forward with production past early scripting. You know, storyboarding and shit.
>>150531880He said the same thing he said in the video. The video is there so the public can see the announcements too. They didn't livestream it.
>>150531594He has other voice acting roles now.
>>150517616It was hated at first because Monty postured a lot ("CAN YOU MATCH MY RESOLVE?") despite how laughably amateur and scuffed the whole production was. He absolutely deserved to be mocked. However, the girls were hot, the fight scenes were flashy, and the setting/aesthetics were evocative no matter how overtly stupid some of it was. That's some of the most fertile ground you can get for fanfics and a cult audience. Then the quality took a big step up in V3 almost around the board and the show finally seemed to hit its stride. Meanwhile Monty dies a bit before it comes out, the absolute perfect timing for his legacy to be reevaluated. The way the show changed in the seasons produced after his death only cemented the reevaluation further. The show becomes increasingly less fertile for the imagination as the creators try to make it more... legitimate, for lack of a better term. A lot of the fun and coolness seeps out and gets replaced with more and more drama, but the writers aren't terribly good at it, so it's just grating. Yeah, compared to Monty's era, the median quality of the animation is way higher and the voice acting only gets better and better, but to what avail?There's parallels to be drawn between this and Star Wars. People hate the prequels because they're shitty movies and Lucas is a huge poser. Then Disney comes along and, despite having all the resources in the world to create something amazing, they fuck it all up and renders the franchise nearly barren, sterile. When you see the earth salted like that, you can't help but think "Okay, maybe Lucas wasn't THAT bad". And thus with Monty, only enhanced by the fact that he actually died.>“If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
>>150531895Look, I'm not saying V10 isn't coming, but early writing and planning stages isn't exactly confidence inspiring. Why wouldn't he just say it's greenlit? They had a hashtag that it was greenlit so why not just say that? And he was already into the writing and planning stages before, nothing actually changed in status. There's no reason to be vague here. If the volume was really greenlit he should have just said "IT'S greenlit and definitely coming", I assumed that the ViZ panel announcement was something more than just what was said at the video but honestly knowing it's not makes me think this show is still on shaky ground.
>>150529035In fairness I think killing Adam off when they did was bad for story reasons.That being said, no kill rules are, and have always have always been, completely retarded.Exceptions of course for characters/stories where the no kill rule is the explicit focus of the story.
>>150522296>>150522930RWBY is done. Another volume isn't going to save it. What the fuck is this cope that there's still interest in this shit. MKEK blew it, traction is down everywhere, the show has been ass, and no volume 9 was fucking dogshit and you're a moron for thinking otherwise, everyone panned it except the same retards that glaze everything mkek do. All the numbers are bad, none of the numbers you listed are good. The critics don't even view it as worth the time to make fun of it anymore it's so dead. Give up. Quit defending the show.
>>150531945He's had one other anonlol
>>150532004Nta but I think Viz did that to lure some interest. They probably want to test how much engagement they can get with that vague announcement before going into full production. I'm more curious about how much profit they got from reselling Blu-rays because those numbers on the YouTube channel are GRIM.
>>150532149>volume 9 was fucking dogshitDogshit or not, it performed decent on Crunchyroll. Or at the very least performed better than 95% of the FOTM seasonal anime slop that was released around the time v9 was airing.
>>150532189Well it didn't get a whole lot of traction. Like you and others have said, it's GRIM.
>>150532203It did not perform well. It topped it's ranking at 33rd or something for the season after ebegging from RT for people to go watch it. And that's it's PEAK not it's consistent status. It did not perform well. If it had made a profit they wouldn't be in the situation they were in. And on top of that the negative reception to it. It's literally one of the most expensive animated shows ever and it's peak is mid performance. People are completely apathetic now and aren't going to bother checking in for a new volume. RT as a brand is dead as well.
>>150532203From what I saw it did not do well. You have to take into account the cost and marketing for other shows.It had middling rankings in the lower 30's as some other anon said. I heard it didn't have good blue ray sales either. I don't see how you can twist it into volume 9 doing well when it performed worse than the last volume which they had to fight for getting another season. I really do hate being mean but I think you are coping a bit.
>>150532149He's coping because he desperately wants his ship to be canon, so the idea of a reboot or series cancellation scares him shitless.
>>150532311It's the same RG fag?
>>150532336WK fag and RG fag are different fags, but they share the same mental illness.
>>150518680>Revisionist history>Thinking volume 9 was good lmao>>150519545> also think there is still some interest or Viz would have never bought it They bought homestuck and threw it in the vault. >The best argument people can pull up in regards to its popularity are just google trend charts which are meaningless anyways.No those aren't, lmao. >I agree that Volume 9 was one of the best volumesEven if that's true the bar is not high lmao.
>>150532311>>150532391I wouldn't say I am the mentally ill one considering I stopped replying about this hours ago when somebody started schizoing out and claiming I made this very thread too (lol) but at least you aren't doubling down on it and acting like I am one more person as well.Regardless my opinion is that Volume 9 was good and I hope Volume 10 is like Volume 9.
>>150532408I have no idea about homestuck, so meh
>>150532203If volume 9 had been profitable RT wouldn't have shut down.
>>150532420>I hope Volume 10 is like Volume 9Yeah because you want your ship to be canon. I know, no need to repeat it.
>>150532521Not the only reason, Volume 9 was a good volume. And I'm only repeating it because you guys keep replying to me.
>>150532420Will it make you feel better if V10 canonizes WK then the series get's axed? You can have your ship and then the rest of us can be spared from RG becoming canon?
>>150532557Stop replying then.
>>150532420>>150532557I really don't see how you can think volume 9 was good and expect V10 to be good. I won't repeat it because others already tore it to shreds but the ending alone was bad enough.
>>150532420>I hope Volume 10 is like Volume 9.A shitty filler arc?
>>150532572I don't understand what this talk about RG is to begin with, Oscar is not even in Volume 9. Lol.
>>150526541>>150526574>>150526499>>150526289>>150526635>How are you supposed to write Neo, or why nobody can write her?Monty Oum passed away some months after creating her. If you check his social media, you'll find he was even working on a new model for Neo, which never made it to the series, some days before his death. The point is that I don't think he left instructions for what to do with her after his death. The idea that she was mute, and not a selective one, was made canon way past his death by MKEK and Myers. It was till Roman Holiday that she was confirmed mute due to a physical disability. A light novel written after V8 and 9's scripts were done.So there isn't a correct way to write Neo that Monty Oum would've approved or disapproved because of his sudden, tragic death. One has complete freedom to write Neo as clever or complex as one's writing abilities allow. For instance, I think Roman Holiday's Neo intelligence level is fine. She's smarter and more capable in her light novel than in the post-Monty volumes, Fixing RWBY, or Reversed Fates. And that version of Neo complements, or doesn't contradict, the one animated by Monty that we saw in Painting the Town and No Brakes.The only Neo thing confirmed by Shane is that her defeat in V3 wasn't part of Monty's plan. Miles and Kerry were the ones who changed the setting of her V3 fight and wrote the scene in which she allows Ruby to open her parasol and be sent flying away. It was a scene that, unfortunately, had repercussions all the way up to V9. That's why pic-related never saw the light of day. On another note, I think that as long as you write Neo as a trickster and smart criminal/thief, everything shall be fine. Her intelligence level in Roman Holiday shall be the low bar. I don't think most fans would be satisfied with a Neo that is dumber than the one in RH. And most fans would be okay with a Neo that is on par with RH's, or slightly smarter.
>>150533210Is that some sort of gymnast uniform?
>>150533292Possibly. Maybe it was supposed to be a sparring outfit. Or a "Neo fighting seriously" model.
>>150517616A lot of the criticism is deserved, but a lot of the hatedom is a bunch of white incels booty blasted that the MEN aren't the main characters. Either because they're women that want to sleep with Jaune, or they're guys that hate women...and want to sleep with Ironwood.
>>150533391Beyond that, let's not pretend making an election plot point was not complete fucking ass though.
>>150533796Everything in this show is terrible. Don't single out one subplot.
>>150529222I honestly don't know whether to believe that M&K didn't have SOME story direction left by Monty that they didn't just throw out considering Shane's notes, clear signs of deliberate story changes within V3 and V4, and stuff like Adam and Raven sharing very similar designs.Seriously, what WAS the deal with Raven sharing a lot in common with Adam anyway (her design, weapon, her introduction, etc)? That's something I've always been curious about.
>>150534291>Seriously, what WAS the deal with Raven sharing a lot in common with Adam anyway (her design, weapon, her introduction, etc)?Edgy minds think alike.
>>150529995It's weird how Salem doesn't have some kind of cult or larger organization. I like to think the empty chairs suggest that she does have more people on her side, we just don't see them.
>>150533391Meh. I think it's misguided to make such sweeping statements about the sort of people who hate RWBY because there's so many reasons to hate it from different perspectives at various intensities.
>>150534291Things like that are a total coin toss on whether Monty was doing something deliberate or it's just convergent evolution "cool black red katana go *shwing shwing*"
>>150533391Weak bait
>>150533391Making RWBY a Tumblr show is what killed it retard.
>>150534355I like to think Summer joined Salem. That could lead to an I'm your father moment Actually Qrow is Ruby's father but you get my point
>>150535010RWBY was always a tumblr show
>>150535572NTA but RWBY original characters were conceived as attractive. Meanwhile the new characters must follow diversity quotas. See the Ace Ops
>>150517616I just started watching this again.I remember when my Brother was still alive we used to watch this thing together and laugh at how goofy it looked, eventually we started to like it unironically, he even got into writing OCs and shit.
>>150517687Show sucks fucking ass but Monty never did anything to me to make me hate him
>>150535608I would let harriet crush my head between her thighs though
>>150533796Oh I agree! That was literally the lowest point of the show. Lower even than Bumblebee becoming canon.>>150534406And yet most of it is from pseudo intellectual zoomers mad that it isn't like their vaunted pony show. Hmmmmmmmmm....Curious.>>150534984You still bit. ;)
Why does every rewrite of RWBY that claims to be better than RWBY always make the characters at least 500 times more gayer?
>>150535572It had fucking jiggle physics fuck off retard.
>>150536305Yuri fans can't comprehend not turning everything gay and are surprisingly vitriolic
Well, anon?
>>150519545>>150522296>>150522930>>150523022I'm gonna chime in here. Every volume of RWBY has a harder and harder time being greenlit and getting the money for production since at least volume 7 and probably further back. I don't know why you say google trends don't count but they totally do. The popularity is in the gutter. This argument "ViZ bought it therefore the show must have value for the main series to continue" is a BIG stretch and purely conjecture on top of not making much sense. Do you know how many IP get bought and just get sat on? It's a crazy amount. So no, you can't say "there must still be interest because it got bought" that's not how it works. You have no idea how much they ended up paying for it but it was not a lot considering RT's IP's were being sold off at a massive discount after it's closure, which is standard practice. The metrics for this show are bad, you can see the numbers. Like 5 other people have already said look at the youtube. Yeah, a small audience still exists, not nearly enough to sustain the franchise. Volume 10 isn't greenlit until they actually give the okay for pre-production. Do you remember how that dumb "greenlight volume 10" hashtag went nowhere? Volume 9 underperformed and pretty much killed of interest in the series. Even the haters have moved on and just don't care anymore.
>>150536305>EveryName 5
>>150520377I really don't know what they were thinking with this dude.
>>150533391>Hurr white people badNo one likes woke shit. The show is also really misandrist and even some wokeoids criticize it.
it's really the fact that RT are shitty people and betrayed the fanbase.
>>150520929It really shows how the death of the director can really derail things.
>>150535077She could be Ruby's Big Bad Wolf.
>>150529418Ruby and Weiss as sisters works do much better.
>>150526190Gen lock is worse but hated less than RWBY because RWBY had potential and it was ruined by RT who are terrible people.>>150526282Nah the DB fights aren't as good as Monty fights. You're partially right but I honestly don't see a whole lot of animators who really have the same raw sakuga that Monty had.
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>>150537418>Oz is supposed to reincarnate (so he can deliver more exposition)>Need a vessel, but writers are scared of making Jaune too special>Come up with some random kid>End up with Jaune 2.0
>Weiss' dad is supposed to be Hitler 2.0 that eats baby Faunus for breakfast>except it turns out that he never did any of that and always paid Faunus equally, oopsie>Blake's parents are supposed to be good people>except they stopped giving fucks about Faunus rights the moment her dad got elected as leader of the Faunus Israel where he and her mom retired to chill in their huge ass mansion>Jaune is supposed to be incompetent comic relief gag character>writers turn him into super prodigy that goes from total normie to level of his peers who trained for years in few months>Blake is supposed to be sympathetic character>comes off as spoiled princess throwing a tantrum>Ozpin/Ozma is supposed to be smart old badass>is written as incompetent retard that fails in everything he triesRWBY writers were truly something else
>>150533210>I think Roman Holiday's Neo intelligence level is fine>this is the Neo that accidentally set her house on fire and almost killed herselfFunny. Also RH will never be good no matter how much you shill it Hush, you faggot.
>>150535572>RWBY begins as just a geeky animator re enacting his favorite fight scenes with 3D anime dolls>Tumblr sees this and mistakes it for girl power >Monty is blinded by Tumblrina pussy, acts like this was the plan all along and heavily tries to pander to them>Later, gets a cosplay gf who’s also a catlady >he accepts her despite being allergic to cats because he’s a touch starved animationcel.>she insists on keeping the cats>Monty decides to get an injection to treat his cat allergies>body can’t handle it and he dies >literally dies from a drop of pussymonty oum should serve as a cautionary reminder for any male who ascends and finally gets female attention
>>150536305Because the exact same type of freaks that write RWBY write that shit too. They have the same mentality, and liek them, reject the initial rule of cool battle shonen premise.
>>150538804>Jaune is supposed to be incompetent comic relief gag characterHe wasn't. Monty wanted him as competent as the others by Vol 3 and even earlier had the writers not stopped him every time. The writers are why Jaune sucked as much as he did.>writers turn him into super prodigy that goes from total normie to level of his peers who trained for years in few monthsSo he's just like his peers then, a prodigy. No different from Ruby.>>150538998>monty oum should serve as a cautionary reminder for any male who ascends and finally gets female attentionBro's simping killed him. Damn.
>>150539543Ruby got into Beacon 2 years early and still went to same prep school for years as Yang did. Jaune didn't even know what Aura was, had zero training and went to the initiation anyway. And then caught up to the skill level of the others in few months. "Prodigy" doesn't quite cut it for that level of talent
>>150517616No shit no giggles no memes no schizo takes.Show is overhated because for some reason people feel like experts on writing and story telling when it comes to this show.I assume its because of how close the creators felt to the fandom they created.Because Monty died people suddently started feeling like they knew a guy better then the people he worked with for years.In reality what Monty thought didnt matter much.Its really easy to say monty this or that when arguing, making any dicussion turn really toxic.Show isnt perfect but it runs on the rule of cool and there is plenty of that.There is also allot of people that just screech mad at any implication of a gay ship for some reason.Because then some people feel excluded.Personaly i think the show should have focused on girls only while Jaun should have died in volume 3 but that just personal feelings.
>>150539543Jaune was Milses self insert there wasnt much to it
>>150539614>Jaune didn't even know what Aura was, had zero training and went to the initiation anyway. And then caught up to the skill level of the others in few months. "Prodigy" doesn't quite cut it for that level of talentYeah, he's an anime protag. They do that. If he was originally connected to Salem and Ozpin before they switched gears like past visual evidence suggests, then that explains how he caught up to everybody. He's a Jesus like Naruto, Ichigo, and Luffy.>>150539667Not even, tumblrfuck.
>>150539686Now that i think about it Jaun would make for a better candidate to get possed by OzpinThis feels like the kind of decision that was rejected because writer didnt want his self insert with that big of an issue
>>150539715>This feels like the kind of decision that was rejected because writer didnt want his self insert with that big of an issueOpposite. Jaune wasn't popular with tumblr-parts of fandom that hated him for "stealing" screentime, so instead of making Jaune the target for Ozpin's newest reincarnation like they had clearly intended, they backed off and created Oscar (who is just brown femboy clone of Jaune) for that role instead
>>150539744They made Oscar that they had werid thing going with Ruby yea im sure that worked out well lol
>>150539667Jaune is the least self insert of the two teams by far. If you want a self-insert look at Yang or Blake, lmao. Miles didn't even choose to play Jaune, it was picked for him. And even after he was given Jaune, he refused to write Jaune's stuff personally so this claim has always been dumb.
>>150539667>Still pushing this shit>When Miles is genuinely too much of a pussy to blatantly push a self insert in his wannabe girlboss showImagine being this much of a secondary.
>>150539744Jaune and Oscar aren't similar.
>not watching rwby in your terminal
Well this thread has made it clear it's impossible to discuss RWBY on 4chan. I feel like half the posts are completely disingenuous, most people aren't even talking about the actual show, and then you've got the obsessed Jaunefags who can't get over the show being RWBY and not JAUNE. And everyone is spewing vitriol over a show that's basically been dead for two years. Jesus, it's not that bad.
>>150521078They fired Shane because he was ridiculously close with Monty's wife and they were terrified she'd try to make them give her royalties because Monty talked plot stuff with her often. They were terrified of Sheena trying to integrate herself and use RT and RWBY to get stuff for herself and constantly distanced her everytime she claimed she was part of it.
>>150535572RWBY was initially just Monty's fetish show which gradually turned into a tumblr show as they saw the audience they'd picked up and refused to embrace the lewd.
>>150540524Are the Jaunefags in this room with us?
>>150540524Bro, RWBY ain't the hill to die on. It was a rule of cool battle shonen like Soul Eater that got co-opted into an Avatar tumblr show like Dragon Prince. That's the problem. You may be okay with the latter, but the ones who came for the former weren't.
>>150534355I assumed people came and went over the years due to them dying of old age while she's immortal, or getting killed serving her like the Croc woman that blinded Maria, so at one point all the chairs were full but in the current present she had only the minions she had then
>>150540564>refused to embrace the lewd.Monty chimped out when a fan asked why they didn't use nude models so they didn't have to constantly make new ones everytime they change clothes. Dude went off on the guy for supposedly being a perv. He also attacked anyone who criticized the VAs for being so ass. Monty was gonna get consumed by tumblr shit like his peers had he lived. It was inevitable.
>>150539652>Rule of coolThere's no rule of cool after volume 3 really. That shit goes out the window.
>>150540238Yeah they are. Have you seen the concept art?
>>150540642>There's no rule of cool after volume 3 really. That shit goes out the window.Along with the reason for the show's existence. No fool fights, no point in continuing. Simple as.
>>150540524Point out the posts specifically where you think people are being unfair to the show in this thread. Which criticisms are unfair or incorrect. Don't be a coward and make vague gestures just call them out of you're gonna say this. Because once again I think people are just honest about this show and the defense force don't like it.
>>150540587>It was a rule of cool battle shonen like Soul Eater that got co-opted into an Avatar tumblr show like Dragon Prince.This. Perfect encapsulation. It's not simply the show is bad, it got twisted into something else that sucked.
>>150539614To be fair this is believable because men are naturally more talented than women. Things come naturally to use while women piss and shit and slam rocks together.
>>150539543>So he's just like his peers then, a prodigy. No different from Ruby.Wasn't their entire grade supposed to be prodigies for their age? Seem to remember someone mentioning that in a past thread.
>>150539614There really was no point in making Jaune so ass. Having him able to do DMC shit like the others wouldn't shake things up much since just like the others, they don't hold a candle to their superiors. You can have the Shonen guy be pretty good, but there's always gonna be someone stronger around the corner.
>>150540168>>150539786Iv been a fan of rt stuff since forever half of dicussion about rwby are just jaun inserts seething that he isnt dicking girls down left and right.You say miles is a puss so he wouldnt do it but yes yes he would Jaun still exists in the girlboss show and he gets bullshit power ups on almost every step.
>>150540998>Wasn't their entire grade supposed to be prodigies for their age? No.Yang was good for her age, but nothing extraordinary. Blake was former terrorist without formal education, Weiss had private tutors and both of them were gigantic jobbers. Ruby was only actual prodigy in team RWBY since she skipped 2 grades but still had flaws like sucking ass in CQC. Team JNPR had Jaune the unintentional Shonen MC and Pyrrha Nikos who actually was one of those super rare combat prodigies. She still jobbed hard to Cinder despite the Maiden power boost. Ren and Nora started out as competent but nothing special with Ren gradually devolving into gigantic jobber with signature jobber move in later seasons
>>150541350...what bullshit powerup did Jaune get? What?
>>150541400I guess he means unlocking his Semblance (Aura amp) since apart from that only powerup Jaune got was being able to extend his sword (lol). Said sword got broken by Cinder anyway
>>150541423Thats barely even a powerup for him since he doesnt use it on himself as a buff...like ever. Lmao.
>>150541487You don't understand, Jaune getting any screentime at all is fault of Miles being sexist promoter of patriarchy keeping the RWBY xisterhood down
>>150541615>this is what the tumblrfags actually believe about RWBY
>>150541350This has got to be bait
>>150525148I want to rail harribel so badly bros
>>150541376Jesus Christ, these characters are so ass. No shit people gave up on it. Why watch this shit when you can watch Demon Slayer and JJK for cool fights? Fucking Zenitsu is faster than Ruby. https://youtu.be/sBc9PwGawUM?si=8EcOq6ZEA2pL5xRH
>>150541350Miles hates voicing Jaune and openly likes rosegarden and Oscar better. Jaune only got 1 power up which was unlocking his semblance which just powers up others.
>>150542435>Miles hates voicing Jaune and openly likes rosegarden and Oscar betterWhat a fag.
>>150540524>Well this thread has made it clear it's impossible to discuss RWBY on 4chan.And the past 3 or 4 RWBY threads died before they reached 500 posts. This is the most active one in months. The remaining community is rotting.
>>150525148>Should've introduced the Grimm equivalent to the Arrancar. Would've been cooler.Damn, imagine Summer coming back as one. CRWBY would never.
>>150542593Its mostly because this thread has been pushed along by a few hateful schizos
The other anon was right about the white incels. Why did you fucking idiots watch RWBY if you don't like women or female-led shows? Dumbasses.And before you say crap like "go woke, go broke" crap, this week proved that bending to fascism and censorship is less profitable. Just ask Disney how much firing Kimmel for a few days hurt them.
>>150542716>Why did you fucking idiots watch RWBY if you don't like women or female-led shows? Dumbasses.Because of the fights, femcel. Guys like cool fights.
>>150542716>Why did you fucking idiots watch RWBY if you don't like women or female-led shows? Dumbasses.Because of the porn, femcel. Guys like big tits.
>>150538384Nice choiceIt's kinda funny to think without that Fem!Roman cosplayer Monty saw Neo would never have existed
>>150542716>bending to fascismYeah because celebrating the death of an opposition because they say a lot of shit that can be taken poorly out-of-context isn't "fascist"
>>150542716>this week proved that bending to fascism and censorship is less profitableThe fact that y'all say that after a decade and a half of y'all doing the exact same shit. Lack of self awareness or disingenuous? Doesn't matter, you're trash all the same.
>>150542716>this week proved that bending to fascism and censorship is less profitable. Just ask Disney how much firing Kimmel for a few days hurt them.Disney pandering hard to the left also hurt them. They just can't win.
>>150542716I'm an Asian Incel thank you very much
>>150541376>She still jobbed hard to Cinder despite the Maiden power boostHuh? No, you got it backwards. Cinder was the one who got the maiden power boost. Pyrrha was fighting against the odds and predictably lost.
>>150542716>Just ask Disney how much firing Kimmel for a few days hurt them.These late night shows are huge money sinks nowadays, so they're probably losing more money by bringing him back.
>>150542435>Miles hates voicing JauneIronically he's pretty good at it. Maybe he chose the wrong career and should aim to voice acting instead
This show's ass.
>>150535762The Ace Ops are RWBY biggest failure. They were supposed to be RWBY's gold saints, the outer senshi, the Akatsuki, the soul society captains, etc. The cool sempais with a more cynical sense of justice and OP as fuck. The fans can't never get enough of this type of characters and always ask more. The fans create tons of fanfics, fanarts and cosplay because they're so cool. But the Ace Ops didn't generate waves, they were another disposable enemies. Only Clover got some buzz and because his fujobait with Qrow and we all know how that ended.
>>150545441>The Ace Ops are RWBY biggest failureNo. That's still the election subplot. Ace Ops are only a failure by proxy because there was no time dedicated to fleshing them out beyond just cookie cutter rival characters to the main four.
>>150543040>a decade and a half of y'all doing the exact same shitSo did they release the Epstein Files yet?
>>150545668That seriously your comeback?
>>150545441>They were supposed to be RWBY's gold saints, the outer senshi, the Akatsuki, the soul society captains, etc.That's Qrow and Winter and the "adult gang" anonAnd they are, by and large, since they are the most popular characters right after the main cast. Sometimes even surpassing the main cast.
>>150542941>having empathy for some who someone who does not have itlike a libtard, rightoids make no sense
3>2>1>6>9>7>8>4>5
>>150546196>>having empathy for some who someone who does not have itAnon, you never listened to the full quote did you?He literally says that empathy is overrated, but compassion is where its at.
>>150542716Jaunefags are quite literally the only RWBY fans left because he got to be le cool Rusted Knight and have Weiss show interest in him in V9. Anyone who actually wanted a girl-squad led show dropped the show in V4/V5 when it was clear the writers didn't even know how to handle their titular characters and kept throwing in more donut steel tier characters like Oscar that didn't even have interesting designs. The extra nail in the coffin were the new character designs being actual ass (Blake's hair suddenly straightening, White's retarded braid, etc.).
were they trying to set up some sort of jaune weiss relationship in that last season?
>>150546917They were teasing it like they have been for a while
>still reading the fanfic>Jaune whines at Pyrrha for betraying his trust for several paragraphs without letting her get a word inI thought the writer was doing this from the perspective of avoiding the open bitterness.
>>150528198Neo had no way of knowing that, she was literally sent flying midway through the fight and next thing she knew, Ruby was still alive and Roman wasn't. Plus Ruby didn't bother explaining the truth in Volume 9. Neo could have used the lamp to find out out how Roman died instead of blackmailing Cinder with it but then we wouldn't have gotten our shitty Alice in Wonderland arc
>>150546917Yes and it is unironically the series best attempt at romance by far
>>150546999Bro felt betrayed. He can't just forget that and pretend everything's hunky dory.
>>150547536It's not believable human behavior for both of them to just stand there as Jaune goes on an overlong tirade about how hurt he is. It would've been believable if it was only a couple paragraphs long.
>>150545441As someone that doesn't like later RWBY, the Ace Ops were serviceable, enjoyable even, because the fast brown bitch that is overly bitchy made them as a whole antagonistic. There WAS a buildup to Ruby's line of "You were the best, and then you trained us." It's not a giant climax in the story, but "I" liked it and I think I'm objective about that. Their heel turn towards the end is also well done which is a surprise for how less than stellar the series got. Parts of Atlas were where the show started to actually pick up after Beacon.
>>150542716This is either a glownigger trying to engagement farm to further read the temperature as the West is about to catch on fire, or this is for realzies an assmad libtard. Either way, look at how the argument is "How dare you treat us like we treat you?" They cry out as they strike you - Uncle Adolph.
>>150546317Nah. 2>1>3>Atlas>Mistral>Them wandering around after Beacon.
>>150547925Reminder
>>150540622I'm one of the realest men in here, I too wonder if Monty would have avoided the TDS that killed RT or reveled in it.
>>150540587This is revisionism. Season 2 (Or was it 3?) opened up with Merc killing a dude as part of a slightly political subplot. RWBY was always going to be more than a shounen like, shocker, their RvB story. I agree it got overly melodramatic/tumblr like you say. It could have emulated Avatar but arrived at Dragon Prince.
>>150542716People wanted hot chicks with cool action sequences, not your gay tumblr fanfiction. It's lame. >And before you say crap like "go woke, go broke" , this week proved that bending to fascism and censorship is less profitableThe left has been censoring for years shut your faggot mouth. And please direct your attention to RT shutting down and concord. KYS.
>>150545441It's because woke retards can't make anything that looks cool. The design of the Ace Ops is tumblr. Their outfits suck. Their personalities suck. Who the fuck wants to by merch of androgynous faggot in a lame as coat and big brown dyke in same lame ass coat.
>>150539652I do not know how to sit down by myself, or a couple of dudes, and write a script for a YA shounen. I do know given a year I could arrive at something, probably better than what RWBY turned into. I also know that RoosterTeeth are filled with fucking subhuman Austinite yuppie dysgenic libtards. It's not unfair to throw the blame on them.
>>150536305There are two gangs to RWBY fandom, maybe all of life. The cringe and the Based. The cringe are incapable of admitting this, the Based know it to be self-evident...Bumblebee is just Korrasami and, to no one's surprise, somehow worse than it.
>>150547925>It's not believable human behavior for both of them to just stand there as Jaune goes on an overlong tirade about how hurt he is. It would've been believable if it was only a couple paragraphs long.https://youtu.be/IRsPheErBj8?si=eYoznqdIpA0e62wy
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>>150542716This bait is MASSIVE.
>>150549777Holy checked
>>150521829>Death BattleI dropped them ages ago, but watched their RWBY episodes while researching speed levels for my fic. To sum it up, Death Battle is wrong.Canonically, I don't think RWBY's fastest characters make it even to lightning speed due to narrative reasons. If a man had the power to run along Earth's equator at lightning speed without getting injured, it would take him between 3 and 6 minutes to complete a lap. He would even move fast enough to run over oceans without sinking, similar to the common basilisk.https://youtu.be/DY7MtLK2OH8?feature=shared&t=92Considering that even Harriet and Ruby rely on vehicles to travel from place to place within the same kingdom, and can activate their semblances for a few seconds, it would be insane to suggest that they achieve faster than light speed with their semblances. Moving at the speed of light for 1 second is enough to cover the distance between Earth and the Moon. You might as well perform Saitama's Moon Jump easily if you can move that fast.https://youtu.be/3z2pPYQPUU4?feature=shared&t=210At best, I think the RWBY cast canonically can travel at high-hypersonic speeds for very short distances and intervals of time. Not fast nor long enough to cross an ocean or a vast body of water, as it would destroy the worldbuilding and narrative. Well, what little there is of RWBY's worldbuilding and narrative. During No Brakes, Oobleck helped Zwei ionize the air molecules surrounding him to generate a plasma cloud, akin to Russia's Avangard, the fastest missile on Earth. And if I'm not mistaken, that's the only instance in the show in which a character has weaponized the plasma cloud generated through his speed.https://youtu.be/01YhJj0Us2U?feature=shared&t=104Anyway, good night.
>>150528198Yeah and if Ruby had just stopped being such a goody goody and laid down and died then Roman would still be alive, because that's what happens to idiot huntsmen they die because the world is shit and cruel and kills people that try to do good so Ruby might as well just die and be a martyr because that's obviously what she wants and be done with it. Or better never bothered trying to get in their way in the first place and accepted that the world is dark and shit and crime and murder is the only true way to survive. So says Neo's logic. She blames Ruby for standing against them in the first place, even if she was losing when Roman got killed. Because anyone who's not Roman her or a fellow criminal ally is just a sucker who exists to die for them.
>>150542716>bending to fascism and censorship is less profitableYou're right, but so is making a subpar product that panders to a certain group and alienates the established audience.The company that originally made RWBY literally went "go woke, go broke".Seriously, imagine if Hasbro decided to focus entirely on making Barbie targeted towards boys and ignore the established female demographic, sounds dumb right?>you don't like women or female-led shows?Nobody has ever said that.Nobody ever says that.If you actually listened to any of the complaints about the show you would know that.
>>150518680I was (past tense is important) here since the beginning too, and I legitimately don't understand how anyone who isn't a tourist or latecomer can stand what they did with RWBY in every season past 4. I tried to watch past the time I jumped off the boat, from Season 5 onwards, and I just couldn't stand it. Shoddy storytelling all around, and the fights weren't cool enough to forgive the weak story and characters. And what few characters that were tolerable even before the change overtook the series following Monty's death, were either assassinated or the showrunners lost what made the characters fun.
>>150548430You're posting about a web cartoon on an anime imageboard.
>>150529114Ozpin ruined RWBY by making the show all about him and his failed relationship with Salem. Also he spammed the show with the Wizard of Oz symbolism to the point the show was ripping from it. I fucking hate Oscar like you wouldn’t believe bros.The show should’ve had a one fairytale per character rule.
>>150550485I mean its autism from both sides anonMaka isn't able to consistently do her feats either
>>150551521And you're the one taking it seriously.
>>150553387NTA, but you should have let the thread die.
>>150553398Oh well.
>"Too many Huntsmen are too focused on killing that they forget what their real purpose is."Dying?
>>150553606no, killing fauners
Wasn't this supposed to be fairy tale chicks fighting monsters? The hell happened?
>>150553606Protecting the people. From the protagonists, only Jaune seem to care about civilians.
>thread was about to die>once again, someone forces an irrelevant post to save itman
>>150555243They pandered to the alphabet mafia.Now that the japs own it, we will enter a renaissance.
>>150555309RWBY fags refuse to let the thread die, just like the show.
>>150517616Show died with Pyrrha simple as
>>150555279I was making a Fatmanfalling reference.
>>150556252Honestly, it's for the best. I shutter at the thought of how badly MKEK would've handled her if she survived.
>>150556429Maybe. But it still hurts. I just want V10 to see Cinder dying the most painful death in western animation history.
>>150555444The Weisslets are so adorable
>>150556084We believe in it's potential.>>150556429Considering what they did to Nora, I agree.
Should've been a thing
>>150556770Yup
