I've noticed all the people who made videos about it are losing views and places like here people don't really talk about it anymore and also people seem to like lot of modern comics now and I saw one comic shop owner say comics are healthy right now. So what with the shift? Is it just burn out after nearly a decade of complaining? Are comics good again?
>>150522379>Are comics good again?Capeshit still got everybody getting paid no matter how good or bad the stuff sells.Capeshit still sells better whenever it triggers its gormless consumers, because that makes them feel as if they were participating in something meaningful.
I imagine at least some of it has to do with some of the biggest grifters releasing their own comics that ended up being vastly worse than the comics they complained about.
>>150522379>Are comics good again?No.
I noticed videos more positive on comics tend to be doing better numbers and they're usually made by zoomers and not old farts.
>>150522379Nobody cares about capecuck comics anymore.
>>150522379Charlie Kirk got shot. Adults have moved on. We don't have time for your silly funnybooks anymore.
>>150522379Customers became apathetic. They walked away, taking their money and their clicks with them. The people who tried to exploit the medium to push a message or make money through pandering or outrage see that the well has dried and are now slowly moving to other venues.
>>150522379>>150522379It’s a lot of things>There are other things for ignorant, self-important people to yell at each other about.>cheesecake has made a return and although it’s nothing like it was prior to the crackdown, it will be. That’s all a particular breed of basement dweller (me) really wanted. >Superhero movies are fading. People can no longer convince themselves that comics are important >All the old men are worried about other stuff they can’t control>all the blue hairs have been crushed by time, their younger replacements are on Only Fans or crying because they can’t afford a home.>Ed Piskor died, which had repercussions. Nobody wants that kind of stink on them. >Neil Gaimen got outed, proving you never know who is going to turn out to be a creep. It might be the guy you’ve attached tour name to. Nobody wants that kind of stink on them. I’m an anthropologist and I know a few things about people and how the behave in groups, but these are just guesses, obviously. The fact of the matter is that I’m an ignorant, loathsome retard who knows fucking nothing.
>>150522379Ragebait grifters are dying.The world is healing.Embrace positivity.
>>150522379Comics were a more normie thing in the past when there was less media around.Those normies are now netflix and tiktok glued.Now its stuff exclusively to fans only.The problem with most capeshit is that it keeps retelling the same origin story and never move on.Manga seems to be less tied to only capeshit so it draws in more people.I always loved Belgium and French comics simply cause they are usually allowed to differ in style and be more expressive.For me i quit both simply cause i do not want to stuff my house with more books.
>>150522482Kys fag
>>150522379Is the Tom King version of Ace the only version of Ace that ever existed now? Did Batman get a second dog and name him after the first dog?They still sometimes show flashbacks to Bruce and Dick and Alfred and the O.G. dog.
>>150522666No u
>>150522803But enough about you
>>150522379We've simply reached a point where comics are irrelevant again, with the difference that the old active fan base has dwindled significantly.As for this seller – if he thinks riding on reissues is a "healthy situation," well, no one's stopping him from deceiving himself.
>>150522487That's how it is for me in general. I genuinely enjoy a thorough analysis of a work being bad, but most of it all is now very surface level, repetitive, derivative etc. I remember a thumbnail popping up a month ago about "The Last Jedi is worse than you remember" and I'm like "Yeah, I know. It's been 8 years almost now, get some better material".
>>150522832This is the video.https://youtu.be/B8bmsjZsVQM
>>150522379Comics are too niche a community for grifters to work in for long.
>>150522897Those videos are dying in views too the only one that seems to be doing well is the critical drinker guy.
>>150522379People who actually like comics just gave up and don't read them anymore.Comics are dead
>>150522997But look on his description:>We are a small comic shop in a low income, small city in upstate NYNew York is one of the largest cities in the world, so you can find a niche for anything. He works outside the city limits, which allows him to pay less rent, yet his income is low.He also mentioned the fragmentation of the market itself. This aligns with what other sorzedawdy are saying. There are still people who buy comics, just fewer of them and for certain specific titles. A duopoly has replaced the swarm of small companies and ephemera. So comics as an industry still exist, but it's no longer the same "single" force, and therefore naturally, it doesn't have the same cultural significance. It's plankton for a few fish.
>>150523594Edit: what other sellers say
They are literally so unpopular now that even the controversy doesn't get you views today.
>>150522672It's not being replaced with positivity. People are just leaving.
>>150522379Nobody can afford comics anymore.
>>150523594Anon, upstate NY is pretty far from NYC, NY isn't some tiny state.
>>150522640>it’s nothing like it was prior to the crackdownIsn't it a good thing? Considering the bolt on boobs?
>>150522379Everybody reads Stonetoss now.
>>150522476It's like how fast food companies or wal-mart don't actually use their typical customers in ads. No one wants to be reminded that most comic readers are socially retarded Gen Xers who's personality is "watched Star Wars" and haven't read a non-genre book in decades.
>>150522803How is this any different than "I'm a man, of course I'm violent,"?
>>150522379Because everyone who wanted hot chicks and white heroes moved on to manga. If not for Absolute Batman, comics would be dead.
Heelvsbabyface used to do some enjoyable rants during the covid years. He had a rageboner for Gail Simone for whatever nerdy and probably justified reason. But the fatman has moved on now to video games and politics and other more profitable grifts. The problem with DC, imo, is the editors. They are either middle-aged wimmin like current chielf Marie Javins or tranny manchildren like Arianna Turturro. They mess up whatever good stuff is left, namely the Absolute series and the occassional half-decent Batman story. They despise chuds and nerds who are the vast majority of their fucking customers and insist on pandering to a non-existent audience made up of girls and women. It is ridiculous>picrel
>>150524134>namely the Absolute seriesThat shit fucking sucks and isn't even recognizable.Batman is anime shitWW is a magic genderswapped Guts, againSuperman... lol
>>150522672It'll be healed when koolaid drinkers like you are gone. Joybaiters who stick their fingers in their ears to any criticisms and blindly accept what's given.
>>150522379Everyone moved onto manga.
>>150523594Are you a retard, or illiterate?
>>150522379>So what with the shift?Cultural malaise of 20 years of people watching youtuber critics and political autists conditioning everyone to think everything sucks and is slop>Is it just burn out after nearly a decade of complaining?Yes, Marvel won the company war and its reward is being replaced by manga>Are comics good again?They're not memorable in the slightest
>>150524204Batman is very entertaining, both visually and storywise. Wonder Woman has got stunning art and a half-decent story so far. Martian Manhunter feels very fresh and kewl. I will grant you that Superman and Green Lantern are shit but that is because the writers are hacks who are obsessed with politics and optics. When it comes to Flash, well, that one is just bad
>150524134>blah blah blah I hate women blah blah blah they hate me blah blah blah everything sucks blah blah oh woe is me
>>150524215This. That's by far the worst part of any fanbase. Worse than those who turn hobbies/IPs into shit
>>150524288Batman design is ridiculous, and WW is colorful but ugly, and looks clearly designed by a modern feminist
>>150524291Stfu l*dditfag
>>150524291Are you having a stroke, trannie?
>>150523974>white heroes>manga
>>150524292>>150524215There's an interesting kind of toxic positivity you see in modern fandom, especially when it comes to things that either suck or are far inferior to previous iterations, some big notable examples being Star Trek and Dr. Who.
>>150524374100% true
>>150522452SpbpOnce you've achieved the ultimate form of the grift that is selling the physical snake oil there's nowhere else to go
>Biden bans trump Twitter and Tucker Carlson >I sleep >Trump makes Kimmel suspended>tHiS iS fAcISm
>>150524204>Anime shitWrong.Absolute Batman is basically an edgy 90s comic but with confident art and writing but that's why people like it, it takes these outlandish ideas and play them completely straight and it's just genuine over the top comics something that's been missing for years. These are larger than life characters so why not just go all the way and forget the irony or deconstruction.
>>150522379There was never a real culture war, OP, it was all just internet grifters trying to force a new Gamergate. It was doomed from the start because the comics audience is MUCH smaller than the video game audience, so there was zero chance of Comicsgate making even 1% of the impact Gamergate did, and in the end it did nothing.Once the grifters realized this, they moved on, and there was hardly anyone who sincerely cared about this shit so the fad quickly died after that.
>>150522379There were only like 20 instances of progressive-shock marketing over the past decade of comics and these guys have been doing daily uploads for 8 years. Some of them even did 6 hour Livestreams multiple times a week. You can't milk I Am Not Starfire or 4 pages about Sun Spider for THAT long.
>>150525260You're just mad because Trump's attempt to cancel Kimmel went down in fucking flames.>every bad thing that has ever happened is automatically Biden's fault, even Trump's twitter ban which happened before Biden was even PresidentIt must be so stressful to have a senile old man occupy your every thought, anon.
>>150522379Comics still suck. There's only a small resurgence for older good comics. The new shit just isn't worth talking about because it's all so irredeemably bad.
>>150525260Trump didnt even get Kimmel suspended, that was his own damn network dropping him because nobody watches his show
Do you guys ever think comics aren't bad, they're just not for you anymore?
>>150522480This, the final stage is apathy
>>150525352Has too much confidence for how stupidly over the top all the designs are. This would be fine if they were actually cool instead of creepypasta monsters.
>>150522379>I saw one comic shop owner say comics are healthy right nowThat part is surprising, I thought everyone just stopped caring from how bad comics have been for so long. At least one generation grew up basically without good new comics at this point.
>>150525589>ever think comics aren't bad, they're just not for comic readers anymore?Hmmmmm
>>150525589No, comics are for angry men who still feel 12
>>150525567If this was about ratings then he would have been cancelled, not suspended, and Trump wouldn't have whined like a little bitch after Kimmel was brought back.
>>150523524Yeah, the ones who started earlier and then kept up a persona and fanbase came out of it pretty good. Still haven't seen that short film he made. I don't think it can be too bad though since I haven't seen clips shared around to mock it.
>>150525589That's why they're bad. As said here >>150524134, comic companies keep trying to appeal to a nonexistant wider audience since 2011 at least. It's not gonna happen. Comics have been a niche since WW2 ended. The companies need to appeal to that niche readerbase OR actually adapt again to compete with manga sales. No one series, Absolute Batman, selling well doesn't save a company. Much less an industry.
>>150522379Woke won. It’s unsalvageable and people moved on.
>>150522640>cheesecake has made a returnStop lying. A few covers here and there don’t make it true.
>>150525725It is, if Trunp had power to suspended him indefinitely then why is he back? Its also why Colbert is gone
>>150525589You’re a faggot, Tim.
>>150525836Stfu
>>150524292>>150524374It's crazy that a series or franchise can survive after critically panned disasters but the enabling nature of toxic positivity legitimately puts a dent in an ip's popularity. See Star Wars surviving the prequels, but dying because of Disney
>>150522379>Are comics good again?No, people just stopped reading them at all, that's why there is less complaining.
>>150525712>comics are for angry men who still feel 12If that was true, 90% of DC’s comics wouldn’t be gay and woke
>>150526456This.Most storytimes don’t even get any replies unless it is Batman or Spider-Man.At this point, /co/ should be split into /toon/ and /com/ because the comic side is not enough to justify the combination.
>>150526456>>150526514Twitter unironically reads comics more than /co/
>>150525554>Trump's twitter ban which happened before Biden was even PresidentBut that's wrong you fucking retard
>>150525836Imagine how many normies moved over to anime just because the Big 2 couldn't stop polluting everything with rainbows
>>150522379Comic’s “death” was slow and arduous, there was no big cathartic moment of everything collapsing, and in this zombie state, the Big Two started doing some interesting things like the Absolute line in DC. Culture Warrior predictions didn’t pan out, and they were largely all infighting with each other last I saw.
>>150522379Comics were never bad. That's the secret
>>150522379There was a schism between Comicsgate and the Fandom Menace crowd partly because of EVS' crowd going against Eric July while the Fandom Menace didn't. That led to a lot of bridges being burnt. On top of that there were a lot of delayed CG crowdfund projects
>>150522379Eric July creator of the Rippaverse said right wing/conservative creators should just give up trying to save the big two comics industry and instead become an alternative that can replace them. That's really why. Old conservative readers have moved on, and new conservative creators would rather make their own stuff than deal with the restrictions Marvel and DC put on them.
>>150525260Biden didn’t ban Trump on twitter. Trump meanwhile clearly had a hand in trying to silence Kimmel and he’s stupid enough to make it clear to everyone
>>150527240Isom was liquid ass even though I really tried to like it
>>150527515Silencing Jimmy Kimmel is justified though. He's lied about the shooter twice now
>>150528107Still trying to gaslight people, are we? Nobody’s buying it.
>>150524134>Heelvsbabyface used to do some enjoyable rants during the covid years.Isn't he the "FUCKING PRONOUNS" guy? Dunkey destroyed that man
>>150528130No. He lied about the shooters political motivation and in his apology he said he believes the killer wasn't politically motivated. Another lie
>>150522379I think the big push to make comics more politically correct and diverse mostly has died out by now.Most of the various race swaps people were upset over were reversed, and I haven't seen a comic recently with the overt political messaging seen in the mid-to-late 2010s for example. I mean I guess there's still X-men which gets kinda obnoxious with it, but even that's way more subtle that it used to be.Some writers who used to be hyper political and confrontational towards fans have settled down too and just write regular comic books.Like the writer for Supergirl right now is a tranny, but she's based because she just draws silver age bullshit but with huge tits and asses.Sex appeal is mostly back. That was another changed people complained about in the 2010s during the heyday of 'Comicsgate.'
>>150528228Calling any of the trash currently being published a “normal comic book” is an insult to actually decent comics
>>150525589I like comics.And I like some comics made today.A lot of the Absolute universe stuff is good.Supergirl and Aquaman are fun.I'm not a fan of many big series right now, but once they change direction maybe I'll start enjoying them too
>>150522379A lot of the culture war peddlers are outrage farming for engagement and their content tends to be surface level at best if not outright misleading. You get the impression some of these guys haven't actually read the comics they're criticizing and instead got all their info from a thumbnail of a screenshot from another rage bait account. And then you also have astroturfed campaigns that ride on culture outrage topics to drive negativity and act as a trojan horse for other bait. It becomes clear after a while that culture war obsessed accounts offer nothing constructive and may not even be authentic.
>>150522379culture wars are just a bunch of first worlder LARPing as communists & nazi to see who can piss off the other more while the normal people who don't give a shit about that performative nonsense moved on from the hobbies/spaces those faggots polluted ages ago.only the brainrotted think that wokeshit is the heart/root cause of why something sucks. removing all the brown people from marvel isn't going to magically make it good again.>>150525981the only thing that made me a believer in toxic positivity is sonic. every sonic fan basically treats the adventure era (from SA1 to 06) as the golden era of sonic and if you say otherwise than you're either...>a classicfag who just wants everything to be like sonic 3.>egoraptor or an egoraptor fan who parrots his opinions.>a games journalist who hates sonic.>a nintendo fanboy who just wants sonic to be like mario....and god help you if you say anything bad about his fucking friends.
Comics are selling as poorly they as they ever have atm from the Big 2. DC people were having a meltdown about how the Absolute line killed the main one and the sales on many of the main ongoing series are in the toilet.
>>150528130Slander is illegal.
>>150522379Because the performative liberalism of the late 2010s and early 20s is fizzling. By this point Comicsgate culture war shit kind of fizzled out too. Frank Castle is getting three books and a special, sexy designs are coming back, things are healing really. The one hurdle I think still remains is that nowadays comic fans are opposed to anything "edgy". Just look at how people look at Ennis now.
>>150523908first panel, building on the right
>>150522379>are losing viewsWhen you stop paying the bot farms in India and elsewhere, that definitely drops your view and follower count, son.
>>150523908lol it's funny because he's a fat spic mutt whose dick doesn't work
>>150528907Now I'm kinda curious about the Punisher Max numbers from back in the day, maybe ennis wasn't that popular to begin with and the fans were just vocal?I say this as someone who's come to terms with the fact some of my favorite books in the 2000s just weren't huge sellers.
>>150529877Ennis was popular in the 90s that people picked up his comics and comic stores noticed. By Vertigo standards doing 40,000 copies a month is a massive hit level (keep in mind that Batman at 50,000 was considered a consistent success in the 90s that it was used as the metric to estimate the numbers on Diamond charts). I think Ennis' Punisher MAX was doing around that 40,000 level as well.
