Should superheroes kill?
Sure, why not
>>150542628It doesn't have to be a black and white "go full Batman or go full Punisher" thing. A hero should be prepared to kill if they truly have to, but they shouldn't actively go looking for people to kill either.
>>150542628Depends on the hero, I dont have a problem with it but I think not crossing the line into killing makes sense. They already work independently of law, killing people just assumes total infallibility of judgement if the person's not a nut job like frank or an asshole like Deadpool or deathstroke.
>>150542880>killing people just assumes total infallibility of judgementUnless we're talking about one of the villains who have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they'll never be redeemed and will shit on any chances they're given. The phrase "he needed killin'" applies.
No
>>150542628No because then the writers would need to overclock both of their brain cells to come up with a new villain each time. I'd prefer it it we got to see Doc Ock used as the villain for the 1000th time only this time his mechanical arms have mechanical arms. What a twist.
>>150542880In some cases that arguably makes them cooler
>>150542628Is the individual in question a serial killer, mass murder, human trafficker, or serial rapists? If yes, the superhero should kill that particular individual.
>>150542847This. I liked how DCAU Superman tried not to kill, but was totally willing to just kill assholes like Brainiac and Darkseid.
Depends on the scenario, but heroes don't have to be perfect.
>>150542628Why kill when the superhero could just rape the supervillain?
>>150543137
>>150543137Cold bussy is no good to anyone.
Depends, Superman and Captain America are probably the gold standard for this since they don't have no-kill rules but are extremely reluctant to kill except in extraordinary and desperate circumstances. Superheroes should never put their personal convictions about killing above the lives of others while they're in imminent danger, and killing should always have some weight to it when they come around to it.
Action heroes killed all the time and everyone but dorks and Karens loved it. https://youtu.be/PguvPeZT7RE?si=fkvC34by7m3SgZ4A
British comic heroes killed all the time, so I really don't get why only a handful of ours do so
>>150542628No. With everybody being immortal, that's a cruel and unusual punishment for simple crimes against NPCs.
>>150542628>Should superheroes kill?Yes but they shouldn't be as gung ho about it as Frank
>>150542628Frank was right here, btw. It's one thing for Batman not to kill Joker himself but stopping other people from doing it is asinine
>>150543386Pretty much all Marvel heroes do except Spider-Man.
>>150542930My issue is that it shouldn't be on the hero to make that choice. I can fully understand someone like Gordon wanting to kill Joker, but he should have been executed by the government for all the shit he's done, rather than just thrown in the same prison/asylum he's broken out of every single time.
>>150543386Because if you have superheroes kill supervillains it would encourage more people to Healthcare CEO or Charlie Kirk someone and the billionaires totally dont want that to happen to them. Cant have a random people gun down Lex Luthor in the comics. Can't even have anyone not Superman nor Batman take out Lex Luthor in the comics, they all must job to Lex Luthor instead.
>>150543581I should have said I don't understand why people are so opposed to it here. Mark Waid and Joss Whedon throw shitfits about Punisher and heroes who kill. Pic related
>>150543614>but he should have been executed by the government for all the shit he's doneYeah, but for some reason the government won't, and SOMEONE has to do it. And that's what being a superhero is about: doing what no one else can or will do, because if you don't, who will?
>>150543850Waid is a very stupid man.
>>150543850Nobody want to read a comic with a superhero lecturing people why we shouldnt kill the mass murder/serial killer. Come off incredibly tone deaf.
They shouldn't , they already have a flimsy relationship with the law as it is, donning a mask shouldn't give you a free pass just because you deem it necessary.
>>150543850>Mark Waid and Joss Whedon throw shitfits about Punisher and heroes who killThis is why people clown on Supernerds.
>>150544037Dude, shut up. It ain't that fucking serious, autist.
>>150543850If you're going to write a whimsical story then sure, paragons of virtue make sense.But if you want to wrote stories in the "world outside your window", then letting Joker live for the 50th time just so he can eacape next week and kill another 1000 people is fucking stupid.
>>150544125Then why do you care faggot.
>>150544198That's something that bothers me about Batman. The no kill rule is always presented as a virtue but is it really? A lot of his villains go way beyond just small time criminals and are basically superpowered domestic terrorists. If they would at least stop presenting it as a virtue and more as something that can also be a major flaw, I would appreciate that
>>150542628Only if the guy is too dangerous to contain, like Zod.
>>150544267>If they would at least stop presenting it as a virtue and more as something that can also be a major flawUtRH did that by explaining that Batman's so fucked in the head that if he kills Joker, then he'll start killing everybody.
>>150544267Sometimes they do, but DC is too afraid of ruining their Bat Brand.
>>150544329So why does he make it everyone else's problem, someone else could do it
>>150544267Catwoman called him out about it in the hush movie.
Why does DC hate these two so much? Vigilante only got a recent boost because of the Peacemaker show.
All I'm gonna say on Batman's no-kill rule is that there is no way that he hasn't accidentally given a guy a fatal beating before. Imagine getting stomped on by a man wearing 50 lbs of body armor and combat boots.
>>150543137Where did the "Gordon raped the joker" meme even come from?
>>150544571A forced meme that one anon posted long enough until Joker 2 made it a reality
>>150543161Grab your fan, clutch your pearls, and let’s get into this folks. Which heroes’ archenemies are serving sinful bussy realness and who’s just... villain blah?
>>150544538The weirdest part is the Vigilante comic is anything but a glorification. Chase basically goes through a slow process of becoming unhinged, an inspiration to other unhinged people, a danger to those close to him, used by others or all of the above. In the end he kills himself because he can't handle the guilt or the madness that his life has become. It's obvious that was never the original direction, but I think it still works bevause Adrian Chase's vigilante is just a lawyer, not a spec ops super soldier.
>>150544621Thanks. That meme is kind of odd and I couldn’t find the funny in it.
>>150544706I hope DC collects it one day
>>150544560>Arkham games>detonate explosive gel next to a guy's head, goes flying ten feet away>detective vision>unconsciousNah, dude's dead as fuck, Cope Vision or not.
>>150544779For now you're going to have to find scans of it. The first six issues by Wolfman are cheesy superhero stuff, but when Cupperberg takes the reigns it becomes cynical, a bit more grounded.
>>1505446691. Deathstroke. 2. Sinestro. 3. Cheetah. 4. Merlyn 5. Black Manta. 6. Lex Luthor. 7. Doctor Sivana. 8. Reverse-Flash. 9. Joker. 10. Darkseid.
>>150544908You forgot about the Marvel villains.
>>1505450691. Magneto. 2. Loki. 3. Baron Mordo. 4. The Mandarin. 5. Doctor Doom. 6. Carnage. 7. Green Goblin. 8. Red Skull 9. Thanos. 10. Ultron
>>150545466God I want some Carnage bussy.
>>150542628Maybe have like a "5 prison escapes and you're out" rule. Something discrete and measurable for Gotham where they just keep escaping. The thing is the ridiculousness of the escaping is just due to the fact that the comics can't ever end. In reality they'd get out maybe 2-3 times ever before becoming old men because security standards are high. These endless escapes are only out of plot necessity and the sliding time scales and universe resets.
>>150543497Batman’s done worse he’s saved joker from dying, stopped joker from getting the death penalty. Batman is just stupid sometimes.
>>150545572Or that bussy is just too good.
>>150542628Yes.
>>150543179Cap no-killing was always weird since he's a fucking soldier and they are trained to kill
>>150546486>Killing other soldiers in war isn't the same as killing criminals as a vigilanteBest explanation I can come up with
>>150542628Not every hero should kill willy-nilly like the Punisher, but like, they can kill when necessary. And if a character needs to have an ironclad no-kill rule, don't put them up against guys like Carnage.
Yes.
>>150543855Reforming Joker is also something no one else could do. And that is a much more noble goal than just being Lost Cause pussy
>>150546486I’d think being thawed out of ice by a bunch of fellow super-powered fighters and entering a comparatively peaceful world would make him soften up a bit. He was killing soldiers in WW2 while in the midst of constant warfare, out on the battlefield with blood and noise all around him. Much easier to kill people with a punch when you’re not surrounded by thousands of civilians living happy lives.
It's good in certain circumstances, but they won't since it means they can't bring certain characters back.
>>150546486>>150546523>>150547396Writing to have him never killed during World War 2 and passing on that responsibility to Bucky was some serious mental gymnastics and I'm glad they dropped that entire idea. Just saying that he's very uncomfortable with taking lives but will do so when he really has to is good enough, and that it turns out that war is a pretty good reason to give him a pass.
>>150542628Yes
>>150547357something no one could do*
>>150542628It depends.>If you want a superhero to kill, you have to be comfortable with a very limited gallery of recurring villains to fight. You'll end up with heroes like the Punisher or The Shadow where most of their villains end up dead after their first or second appearance and only the most popular ones continue to live in a continuity or make appearances in future runs/adaptations solely because it would be stupid to kill off a moneymaker that fans are invested in.>This means you can't bank on a deep emotional connection between the hero and villain, so no yaoi/yuri bucks for you.>If you want a superhero to spare his or her enemies, you have to come up with a believable reason as to WHY these villains can't be killed off so easily, while also not stretching shit to the point of "erm, Carnage/The Joker/Norman Obsorn's life is just as sacred as the people he kills" where it makes the hero look retarded. If the villains must stick around, most of the ones that will be reused shouldn't be too overly murderous or violent.>Unfortunately, keeping the villain around means things WILL turn homoerotic eventually.
>>150549384I'm glad you brought up The Shadow because he, The Punisher, and The Spider all kill their villains and yet the writers are always able to come up with more. You make a great point about the emotional connection, but I think it's also not always necessary for a good blood feud. Barracuda and Punisher fought across two arcs and Barracuda is seen as one of his greatest adversaries
>>150543850Maybe Mark Waid should go live in Africa or the Middle East and decide that killing isn't a virtue. Heck, drop him off in the middle of Detroit or somewhere where the demographics are a lot more melanated and see if he sticks to those guns.
Gun heroes in comics are cool
>>150549686You know that most people aren't racist weirdos like you, anon?
>>150549384>no yaoi/yuri bucks for youDo people genuinely ship Spider-Man with his arch-enemies? It's tough to picture fans seriously rooting for yaoi pairings like Peter and Otto or Peter and Norman.
>>150547708This is the real reason for a no kill rule. It's not about morality or that killing is bad, it's because if superheroes kill their villains then the writers will have to keep making up new, less popular ones.
>>150550158There's some fans who ship Peter with Eddie/Venom, and some who ship Peter with SpOck. And of course, the Spideypool fangirls.I should clarify that by "deep emotional connection", I mean a relationship where one side feels a sort of "romantic" desire - longing, pining, obsession, etc. Hysteria, emotional instability, etc. Yaoi fanbases develop in response to same-sex character dynamics emerging where one of the men inherently acts no different than a woman (emotionally vulnerable 24/7). You could change Griffith or Starscream or Star Trek's Spock or Draco Malfoy or Loki or Lex Luthor into a woman, and not much would change about them.
>>150549384Make your most iconic villains immortal. Let the hero defeat them in a climactic battle, believing it's a final act of justice aligned with their values but the villain always returns. Turn it into a recurring challenge: each time, the hero devises clever, increasingly desperate methods to stop the resurrection. Yet something inevitable, poetic, or cosmic always triggers their comeback, keeping the cycle alive.
>>150549603Barracuda works as a good villain because it's a dynamic that isn't anything remotely female in the slightest. It is peak manly conflict.>two violent psychos who just really want to kill the other person - they don't really give two shits about each other
>>150550158>Peter and Norman.That’s where Harry comes in. Norman takes on the role of the rigid, judgmental father whose views are steeped in homophobia.
>>150550127I think most people are even more racist than I am, anon.
>>150550289Please. Scientists have already made mice with two dads. If Harry got Peter to take his last name, Norman would be in the lab by morning, building a robo-womb to personally engineer his spider-grandkids from their DNA.
>>150550232Ra's al'Ghul and the Lazarus Pit works pretty well. I'm a casual, so I have the sense that Ra's is more a refined, gentleman villain who doesn't go in for crass displays of cartoonish supervillainy, even if BTAS gave him a Captain Planet motivation. So he fits. You could even have Batman seemingly kill him, but someone from his organization would always steal the body later or it would go missing after the climax of the story's final confrontation so it could be put into the Lazarus Pit.
>>150542628It should be a proportional response.Condiment King spraying mustard on people? Punch to the jaw.Darkseid about to wipe out all reality?Kill the fucker.
>>150547357>Reforming Joker is also something no one else could do.He's already proven that he'll waste every chance he's given, no matter who gives it. Some people are just beyond redemption.
>>150550346It's disturbing how in character that would be.
I want a new super hero who tailors his punishment according to the law. To the letter. Like he is so autistic that he will only kill in places where the death penalty exists and subdue in places where it doesn't.
>>150542628I think if Batman killed, it wouldn't be very productive in the long run. The law can't approve of a vigilante that kills. The police eould be gunning for him constantly.There's also various meta reasobs why Batman shouldn't kill. Superheroes needs rogues galleries to be successful. The hero is only half the equation.
>Batman kills the Joker>Another Joker pops up>A Joker III, a Joker IV>Batman kills Two-Face>Meet Double-Head, who's totally not Two-Face>Bane dies. Fries dies. Poison Ivy dies.>A dozen more freaks show up to take their placeIt's like in Batman Beyond. A LOT of Terry's enemies were killed or otherwise crippled. Yet nothing really changed. Things never improved. There was always something new, something to justify Batman's continued existence. What you're left with is a Gotham that was just as perpetually shitty as in Bruce's time, but with a weaker and less emtertaining rogues gallery. After all, the majority of Terry's enemies were one-offs. No need to make them too memorable.
>>150550658Just take a page from Vlad Tepes' book. Impale the fuckers at the heart of Gotham with a big fuckin' sign that says "DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT, BUSTER." Sooner or later they'll either decide that becoming a supervillain isn't worth the effort, or the gene that makes them dumb enough to ignore obvious warnings will be removed from the gene pool.
>>150550956DC doesn't want to stop making Batman stories, so any permanent solution to Gotham's crime problem can't be allowed. It's the true reason for why he's not allowed to kill. No one ACTUALLY wants all of Batman's rogues to die permanently unless they hated Batman to begin with.
>>150543850I like a number of Waid's stories, but the statement is fundamentally flawed. It presupposes multiple values, the nature of harm, what makes a good role model (e.g. its doesn't show that a good role model will make difficult choices that others can't), and so much more.He puts forward the idea that suoer heroes should be simple, optimistic, and upstanding representations, but that's not in line with his work, let alone his most famous stories like Kingdom Come, which is a fairly in-depth story on this very topic.Given his other work, it seems much more like Waid just wants to justify how comics should politically align with him. I've never been impressed by Waid's behaviour outside of comics, but I'll say that I still expected better.
>>150544198Yeah, if you've got a long, interconnected continuity you have three choices; you have your no-kill rule and take villains off the table after less than a handful of stories, you eventually have people try to kill repeatedly returning villains (fail or succeed, it's irrelevant), or you show the no-kill rule as a flaw. All but the first choice fundamentally rejects the no-kill rule, and ignoring the issue brings the no-kill to the point of absurdity.Presenting the no-kill rule, in its current 'Big Two' context, as anything more than a corporate decision to further harness characters is absurd.
>>150551350So you've got two choices here: you can accept the status quo for what it is, stop asking questions like why Batman won't kill the Joker, and just learn to enjoy the endless cycle, or you can wash your hands of comic books entirely and go read something that doesn't slavishly worship the status quo.
>>150551690Or read an au where he does kill him.
>>150542628No but having the hero saving the villain from dying from his own machinations every time is gay as hell. Raimi Spider-man letting all his villains die, including his uncle’s killer, because of their own stupid fault is well done. As is Nolan Batman leaving Ra’s to die on the train
>>150542628I feel like the argument of "they'll just break out of prison anyway so why not just kill them?" Is a stupid ass argument because why is it the superheroes fault that the prisons haven't learned from their mistake after like the 30th straight escape
>>150543137Gordon and Lock-Up should link up
>>150552019That used to be Batman's MO a while back. He wouldn't take the initiative in trying to kill his villains, but if they died to their own machinations or doing something retarded like dancing next to a cliff, he'd shrug his shoulders and go oh well.
>>150542628Dredd kills at least once an arc.
>>150542628The question is one that I inherently reject, but that's because of the wording involved. Were the question "Could superheroes kill", I would have agreed. But since it is "SHOULD superheroes kill", I must tacitly reject it. A weighty decision like that should be a choice, not a mandatory feature. From a morality perspective, it makes it inherently more interesting what lines are drawn by the hero. From a writing perspective, every solution being death is boring in the same way that every superhero deciding everyone lives regardless of what they did to also be boring. From a message standpoint, writers have to consider what their readers are getting from suggesting that the tales they're reading advocate that the best way for justice is mandatory execution of whoever steps out of line, regardless of reason or damage inflicted, meaning that the writer is advocating for readers to want a world where jaywalker is as equally guilty and punished as a serial killer.TL;DR Maybe if the situation is presented as dire enough. But it explicitly needs to be a choice, otherwise it's as meaningless as saying they shouldn't.
>>150550228>Yaoi fanbases develop in response to same-sex character dynamics emerging where one of the men inherently acts no different than a woman90% of the time one of the characters just gets warped into a woman by fandom perception regardless of how he behaved, just because he looked a bit less masculine than the other guy.
>>150542628Depends. I would never accept Spider-man killing, but an ex-military like >>150542822 or Captain America is fine. There is a place for the white, the grey and the black imo.Also, depends on your audience too. Would you want to sell a superhero that kill to childrens?
Heroes who kill and heroes who don't kill also makes a lot of potential for storytelling. Like Wolverine killing behind the X-men's back, which Cyclops used to disapprove because the X-men didn't do that back then.You can also throw some nuance. Spider-man doesn't kill, but before he was turned into a manchildren in the 90', he wouldn't cry for a villain dying.
>>150542628If its to save lives or joker types sureSomeone should send dc offices idea to boost sales
>>150545572I think that Batman is a fucked up catholic who wants joker to repentHis dad being a doctor adds to that tooHe did manage to rehab two face pre new 52 and clayface around rebirth so he has reasons to not torch ivy for exampleJoker proves that he just cant kill,iirc darkseid being shot was him doing it for whole earth and he wasnt sure it would work
>>150547357Spectre managed that by possesing him but joker realised what he did and begged for deathYou need a spec ops agent of God to fix that fuck and even then he would need to wander the earth as holiest of men for millenia to balance the scales
>>150552279Spideypool is weird that way. I'd say Wade acted less masculine but because Peter is shorter he's the tsundere woman of the relationship.
>>150549384You can just put a woodchipper next to the lazarus pit and fish him out and put him back
>>150550183Not a problem if rogues gallery is big enough We can kill the joker off as a treat and then put his bones in lazarus pit Call him the funny bone and restore him after a year
>>150551933Whatever, just get an orange instead of demanding that apples be oranges.
>>150550478So he will just drive a bus full of pedos and serial killers into that one spot in yosemite park and mow em down with an uzi
>>150544797There is extra calcium in gotham waters which is why getting hit with a batmobile only knocks you out for a month
>>150552520The Arkham video game series planting the idea that everyone in Gotham is some kind of crazed nutbar mutant that can survive lethal injuries due to lazarus pit juice and chemicals getting into the drinking water is one thing I wish was made fact in the comics too.
>>150544797The games are stupid.
>>150552261Get the fuck out of here with that reasoned philosophical stance bullshit. This is a ragebait thread.
>>150550127>t. never met a black guy in his life
If they regularly face mass murderers and rapists they kind of have too.
>>150548455>Cap never killed during World War 2 and passing on that responsibility to Bucky"Hey there teenage sidekick, be sure to get your hands good and bloody so mine can stay squeaky clean!"Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?
>>150553718Too bad. There’s genuine merit to be had in the question, especially when it comes to taking the law into your own hands, cape comics have just fumbled the ball extra badly because of shitty and lazy writing.
>>150542847/thread
>>150548455This feels like a concept Pat Mills or Garth Ennis would write about in Marshall Law or The Boys not actual Marvel canon, this is a terrible idea. Who wrote that?
>>150542847This, but also this really shouldn't even be an issue in the first place. If a villain is truly deserving of the death penalty then courts would have no problem dishing it out. Modern America is full of militarized police forces in most major cities. Batman's whole rouge gallery would be shot dead in the streets or given the death penalty IRL.
Heroes should do nothing but kill.
>>150542847wtf no you can't have nuance in capeshit bro
>>150543614I always preferred where something lethal happens to the joker at the end of the story but he’s somehow back in the next issue with no explanation.
>>150542628Yes. Because at the end of the day Supervillains are mavericks. If you don't have what it takes to get the job done, then step aside for one who can.
>>150545562I already posted how I’d explain the Joker. The real Joker had only one encounter with Batman and it left him crippled. Since then he’s been brainwashing other men into thinking they’re the Joker and turning them loose. There are so many desperate stupid people in Gotham and one dip in his specially prepared bath, red hood optional, and you’re skin is died white and your fingerprints are burned away. Then a few months of brainwashing snd torture to make you just the right kind of crazy. That way you can explain why Batman doesn’t kill the bastard: he can’t find him and the clowns he keeps catching are victims of this sick depraved madman. Why has Batman only figured this out now? The Joker has a genius for crime and a knowledge of chemistry comparable to Batman’s.
>>150544267>>150551607Batmans's problem is that his writers fell into an arms race of stakes; the Joker or Penguin being returning villains is more or less fine when they're just themed gangsters, pulling bank heists or running rackets and such. But the constant race to be EDGIER and MORE EXTREME means that Batman's rogue gallery now consists of a hodge-podge of serial killers, domestic terrorists, and cannibal rapists.
>>150544198>>150544267Carnage has killed way more ppl than Joker and yet no one writes whole essays about why Spider-Man must kill him.>>150543581You can thank Joe Quesada for that, it started in the MK Cap (2002) run when he kills a muslim villain and then unmasks all on live tv.
>>150563120Cletus had that weird redemption in Axis, but yes way earlier Spidey should have.
>>150542628Didn't Huntress kill at one point? Whatever happened to that?
>>150563120People have written them about Spider-Man, but nowhere near to the same degree, obviously. The most obvious example was Maximum Carnage - a dogshit story that focuses entirely on this ethical issue and shits the bed every fucking step of the way. Thousands were killed in the massacre and Peter repeatedly stops others from killing Carnage, literally prolonging his killing spree. Firstly, with Spider-Man the no-kill ruls is faaaaar more tacked on than Batman (I say as a Spider-Fag), and far less justified in the text. It's just something he kind of has. Batman dwells on it. With Spider-Man it occasionally just pops up in very retarded ways. Secondly, Carnage doesn't have the same cultural awareness as The Joker (no, the 2nd Venom movie doesn't count). A lot of these discussions come from normies, not just readers.
>>150564206If Spider-Man dropped the no kill rule would readers accept it
>>150551559>suoer
>>150563698she still does.>NOOOO DON'T YOU DARE KILL GRANT MORRISON'S EDGY VILLAIN SUE WHO KILLS CHILDREN, YOU STUPID WOP CHUDETTE YOU'RE OUT OF THE LEAGUE
>>150564246I'd say yes, but it'd have to be in hyper specific ways. Small stakes stuff, like if they actually let him have a kid and he was forced to defend it. Something like the first issues of 'Renew Your Vows'. Even then, there's just some situations that would feel unnatural for the character to be in. Spider-Man in space? Doesn't work. Spider-Man being the one to kill in most massive events, or in mass murder stories like Carnage USA? Feels strange. Spider-Man in the multiverse? Some kind of Spiderverse? What a terrible, dogshit, retarded idea.
>>150542930And yet Supes snaps Zod's neck after he repeatedly reaffirms his intent to genocide the human race, and retards seethed about this for over a decade.
>>150542628Some should, some shouldn't. There has to be variety, otherwise all rook same.
>>150565857Spider-Man in space feels both very nerfed and very powerful. Like nothing to shoot webs to, but at the same time if we're talking outside a space station then he's got the advantage of not being at risk of drifting in space since he can wall crawl on the side of the station or web to it.
>>150542628Depends on the villain. Villains like Joker and Carnage absolutely need to die.
>>150552385Batman is canonically atheist.
>>150566372Which is especially funny considering God in the traditional sense more or less exists in DC and Batman goes out of his way to argue with his underlings. He's that stubborn.
>>150566372He wasn't brought up as one, but Bruce is essentially in a permanent emo phase as an adult.
>>150564246The way the Raimi movies handled it was the best approach, imo. Killing isn't Peter's style, but the villains taking themselves out makes sense. The issue is that you can do that in a movie, but in a comic you need to inevitably bring them back, as the villains are too popular to be permanently removed.
>>150542628NOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkW-7zrkd9s
>>150543810True, but there's a limit
>>150553585Can we finally talk about that!? God, I hate how people glaze this thing like it's the second coming of Christ when it has a Terrible Boss Battle and a "Solve Crime" button.
>>150547357>>150552422IIRC, Martian Manhunter can make Joker sane but only briefly. He also shifted his brain to resemble that of the Joker once and went insane himself.
>>150566422It's still the best "animated" depiction of Batman outside of TAS. The only things that don't make sense, such as the gel not killing people, are purely due to gameplay mechanics.
>>150563120Spider-Man can't do shit to Carnage. Any instance of him beating Carnage is straight up PIS, considering he's stronger than him and Venom put together. Although I agree he deserves to die, you also need to completely atomize him, otherwise it won't work. Sentry ripped him in half and it achieved nothing.
>>150566446Spider-Man's advantage over Eddie and Cletus is that he's 1. Sane. 2. Smarter and more resourceful. Not all battles are won on strength, and Peter has "beaten" people like the Juggernaut simply by having a superior battle plan.
>>150566372He should be catholic. Him and Daredevil looking like devils and being catholic is kino.
>>150566296What series and issues is this?!!!
>>150542822When did she became the flame?
>>150542847SPBPThat said, i do also like the dilemma and consequences that come out of having stuff like Batman's no kill rule. I really like when that element is challenged. Makes for elements that make character richer in some aspects, or at least lead to interesting stories.
>>150542628Only if it makes for good drama and comic sales. Otherwise, it's not exactly the best reflection, but heroes have killed in stories past, and it's only either these days, or with certain heroes that don't kill where it get's complicated. Batman isn't batman if he pulls his Batgat out and blasts the Joker's corpse back to the streets.
>>150542628Normal or campig heroes no, Vigilantes it depends, punishers yes, batman no.
>>150542847A good example is the ending of Macbeth.Macduff has Macbeth cornered while a battle if being fought to remove Macbeth from power after his crimes are revealed. Macduff does give Macbeth the chance to surrender the hopeless fight. It's only when Macbeth realizes Macduff was a C-section'd baby (as the wyrd sisters warned him only a man born "untimley" can defeat him), goes "Nah, my crimes have led me here, and I would rather die by the sword than kneel like a coward", that the two fight to the death, leading to the latter's death, and beheading at Macduff's sword.
>>150543071Brainiac is a machine and Darkseid is Space Satan-Hitler.
>>150543850My problem with Punisher is how *some* people have fetishized his brand of justice as "the best way" and make quiet dog whistles for it. Obviously those people don't care about who the Punisher is or why he does what he does, they just want a quiet validation to practice Street Justice.
>>150564246Spider-Man has light hearted role.model themes in it like Supermsn and is designed to be more kid friendly and optimistic as a character compared to other adult heroes. I don't think Spidey could pull off being a neutral killing hero because you really can't promote Spidey as a edgy character despite his dark realistic tone. He's for commercially successful children and regulations nerdy casuals first and for most.
>>150567800>recolor
>>150566410Pretty sure that's an Injustice comic, in which Joker DID hit the limit. Injustice Superman's problem was he sperged out for too hard and for too long.
>>150566422>a "Solve Crime" button.Always found that funny.>the perp loved booze, I should trace where they could have hidden that piece of evidence and figure out who could have been behind it>needs a supercomputer with enhanced reality vision to follow an obvious trail of spilled whiskey leading to the suspect's safe deposit box with their name labeled on the frontIt would have been much better if it revealed far less than it usually did, but all players did was turn it off when they needed to get surface details since it was too beneficial to turn off under most circumstances.Let's not forget the Batmobile dumbass taser, those people are still getting slammed by something that weighs as much as a modern battle tank going 70mph, and players are given the option to go back and do donuts on their "unconscious" bodies. Don't give people the option to smash pedestrians into paste and give a very cheap and nonsensical out to justify why they're not paste. Shouldn't have used pedestrians in the first place or not put them in a place the Batmobile can access.
>>150542847There is something to be said about batman literally being insane and painted as such, but in a benevolent way.
>>150568518So you don't have a problem with Punisher then. Marvel for the longest time danced around the character because of the skull controversy which I think was really stupid, so what if some people use the skull, half of them don't even read the comics
