ITT: worst iteration of your favorite character/franchise (could be comics or cartoons)
Bayverse Megatron is a total jobber.
>>150557123i kneel
Dan Slott She-Hulk.
Feels like cheating but All Star Batman.
>>150558347You can laugh at crazy Miller Batman, There is no joy in King's.
>>150556902Jason Aaron Serpent Society, MCU Kang and Bendis/Ultimate Shocker
>>150556902It wasn't a bad book
>>150558415Hi Jason.Why'd you write Jen in a borderline non-consensual relationship with Thor?
>>150558392I was abused by my dad for years so all that stuff with Robin made me feel ill when I accidentally read it without any context as a teenager.. I was triggered, no irony.
>>150558619I'm so sorry you had to go through that anon.
>>150556902Pretty much every version of the Punisher that isn't just Frank killing mobsters is shit.
>>150558457No see THAT was fucking horseshit. I didn't mind The Hand plot with Punisher though
>>150558666I know that it’s a Shitter tier meme but still
>>150558649Thank you
>>150557123Not in the first movie he's not.
>>150556902James Gunn superman
>>150556902This was hard for me, but I think honestly it was Insomniac's Spider-Man. It might have been the actual worst character assassination of Peter, Harry, Venom, Kraven, Felicia and the 2nd worst for MJ. It also was one of the worst depictions of Miles and wasted whatever potential there had been from the first game's storyline.
>>150559842Doctor Octopus and Mr Negative are pretty much the saving grace of the Insomniac game. I'd of said Yuri Watanabe but the second game butchered her.
>>150559842Just Spider-Man in general. They've made him really fucking pathetic these past 20yrs
I even tried reading it with an open mind and willing to accept the needless changes. Turns out Mark running around thinking that he's Spiderman isn't even the real problem with this run.
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>>150560378How is a total manslut like Peter this much of an incel around women these days? I hate numasculinity so much.>>150560145>The second game butchered herPretty much. I thought it was strange they decided to make her character for the first game when she was effectively just an expy of Jean DeWolfe, who was already genderbent in contemporary marvel into a foid, but now I'm glad they let her be.
>>150562929At least Yuri Watanabe was sexy plus had more chemistry with Peter in the first game then his actual love interest. Though oddly Jean was in a fair few of the games and only had the appearance in Spectacular Spider-Man. No idea why Bendis made her a dirty cop in his ultimate run but I don't understand most of his decisions there.
NYX Kamala was pretty fucking awful. She's been terrible as a mutant overall, but NYX is especially noxious.
>>150563044With him having broken up with MJ and the Black Cat minigame from before the DLC dropped, I genuinely thought that Yuri was going to be the main love interest, until they started shilling MJ again 2/3rds through the game. It felt so bizarre having them force it after spending most of the game building up his relationship with Yuri instead; and frankly, he had more off the cuff synergy with Silver Sable than he did MJ too.
Aaron's ThorSlott's Spider-ManKevin Smith's He-ManMichael Bay's...everything
>>150563073>generic upturned pig nosenot my kamala
>>150563082Yeah genuinely with how much I played first one I came out of it thinking MJ was the absolute worst and that Yuri Watanabe would've been a better love interest with an interesting dynamic of her already knowing Spidey but having to get to know Peter would've been interesting. Though the DLC also made me ship Spider-Man and Silver Sable super hard, though I was already simping for her enough to comm art of the SFW and NSFW variety.
>>150563073Mutants need to fuck off with their sanctimonious shit and their victim complex.
>>150563073>>150563180>My special sci-fi racism is worse than real life racism>That's why it's OK for me to have the rich blonde white girl call the black man a diversity hire while Kamala Khan creams her pants
>>150563187mogs whatever james gunn will do
>>150563448Nope
>>150558619I hope you have become or will become a better man than your dad will ever be
>>150563187shit had me laugh out loud. what the fuck?
>>150563073Interesting she would use a metaphor involving throwing stones
>>150563554You should see cyborg
>>150563159>commissioning artBased if the good kind, cringe if the tumblr kind. But yeah, I agree. Really, while Spiderman: MM and 2 sucked ass, I think part of what made it sting so bad is how good the DLC had been for the first game. Many such cases with Insomniac though.
>>150563159>>150564384Why is it no suit in Miles Morales or 2 ever came close to looking as good as the Anti-Ock suit in 1?
Literally every single aspect of that show was dreadful, but this shit is just the worst.
>>150564560why is it netflix produced [1] good season of [1] show and literally all of the others fucking sucked?
>>150564573Because Daredevil season 1 was basically a lark with no oversight, no one really expected it to work. Everything else from S2 and 3, to Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, Defenders and Luke Cage and Punisher were all corporate sloppa.
>>150564560David Tennant was the highlight of Jessica Jones
>>150564589DDS2 was good. The Punisher's solo show was abysmal I genuinely could not finish it. Granted I had just read the MAX run so going from that to the show was like going from eating the best meal you've ever had to garbage scraps.
>>150564573Because Daredevil was handled by Steve DeKnight of Spartacus fame, while the rest of the shows were made by fucking Dexter alumni or just no-names. Dexter was always terrible slop for brainlets.>>150564591Why is every single retard always compelled to chime in with this retarded fucking opinion? Fuck off.
>>150564384Nah I just have deviantart and discord to order from, never got a Tumblr account
>>150556902If it was written by Jason Aaron then you can pretty much consider it the worst iteration of the character. He is busy ruining TMNT at the current time.
>>150564604>Dexter was always terrible slop for brainletsThen you must hate how popular it is currently.
>>150563073No way the bitch allows me to get this all out but my response would ideally be...> 1 - If they didn't participate in the massacre they should not feel guilty about it anymore than you or I should feel guilty about all the women Sabretooth cannibalized or raped.> 2 - Blaming all humans for oppression is no better than blaming all mutants for the atrocities of Sinister, Apocalypse or Magneto. It's no better than blaming all Muslims for 9/11.> 3 - Even if they had ulterior motives to hire me, I really don't care because the job still allows me to do good.
>>150564726Only shows how sad the state of modern television is and how low standards of audiences are.
>>150564705Nah Thor God Butcher/God Bomb is incredible. And even the worst of his JaneThor stuff was far better than most woke diversity crap. I would take that a billion times over what Aaron did to Frank's history.
>>150564599>I ate cat vomit, then I tried horse manureMm, I can see why you weren't in the best mood.
>>150564604The fact they decided to take the sensation that was Daredevil and replace all of the backing staff on it with CW slop makers who made shit like that terrible Arrow adaptation gives me conniptions
>>150564794No, dude, it just fucking was not. That God Butcher shit is a worse version of a Jurgens storyline from a decade before. It will forever stand as one of the most overrated runs of all time.
>>150564599For me, it was Miller's Punisher.
Every iteration of Power Girl post-Flashpoint has been varying degrees of terrible, but Leah Williams' is probably the most egregious
>>150564819Not THE most overrated run though, that belongs to a Tom King book or Mark Waid's Daredevil
>>150558681It doesn't make any sense though. It makes just as much sense as him joining a crime syndicate in the Ostrander run. Why would Frank ever join The Hand? And if the answer is to bring back his family, he already showed during Dark Reign that he didn't want them brought back.>>150559164
>>150564799Oh fuck off, Ennis' work on the character was excellent
>>150564819Gorr was vastly more menacing than Desak (so was Perrikus) and the multiple time period stuff was great.Art was vastly better and Aaron's run has none of that Thor going Injustice BS.
>>150564840How was the book after the leotard returned?Love the current design.
>>150564870Welcome Back, Frank was excellent. The actual MAX series just kept getting worse and worse as it went on. Born was the bottom of the barrel.
>>150564886I don't know how anyone could read Valley Forge, Valley Forge or The Slavers and not love them
>>150564809We really needed cuck Kingpin subplot or the fucktarded Russian shrink.>uh, he saved me from a serial killer and I made a conscious decision to shoot said serial killer?>surely it was Daredevil's fault>known crime boss and cop killer is an a-okay guy thoughIt's like somebody wanted to write a JJJ-type character with none of the charm or depth.
>>150564903I never got to Valley Forge, Valley Forge, but Slavers was about the same quality as any of the other arcs to me.
>>150564883It only lasted 3 issues afterwards. There were superficial changes to the status quo, but it remained terrible right to the end. Just like the rest of the run, more time was devoted to slice-of-life and side characters hooking up than anything meaningful (and at the expense of the supposed main character). Leah also decided to vent her frustrations against anybody who disliked what she did and spit in the face of fans one last time before leaving
Not even my favorite character, not even a character I necessarily care about that much but Chelsea Cain RAPED Mockingbird with this retarded retcon
>>150559636Most jobbers aren't, in their first appearance
>>150562929Pete being pathetic those days doesn't mean I want harem protagonist Peter...
>>150565861He's been one ever since Gwen Stacy died back when.
>>150565004So from rape survivor to cheating wife and some how she thought this was better? Why even remember this event? It's like bringing up that time when Big Barda was doing porn
>>150556902I don't mind ninja Punisher, the way they "killed" him off was the embarrassing part. >>150560515Pic rel remains the worst version of Moon Knight. They should've stuck closer to the comics even if it would've resulted in an R-rating. Costume was kinda neat at least.
>>150563741I like the afro, it's him holding on to a piece of his humanity by having hair.
>>150564589Daredevil S3 was kino as fuck
>>150566290I'd go as far as to say Born Again was also good, or at least the Bullseye stuff was kino. It's obvious they had to re-work the entire show, and the next seasons will be the "real" version of what was intended, so it could go either way, but they will probably mog the first season of BA.
>>150566228I feel like Moon Knight is already such a fluid character that you can't really go wrong in adapting him. The one sin for me is giving him such a busted healing factor, because it takes away from his pain tolerance and insane fighting style. I also would've liked Marlene, Frenchie, and Bushman, but it was fine. I just need him to show up again.
Please just kill him
>>150566337Yeah, the supernatural aspects are fine and all, but they should be more subtle, with only the occasional interference by Khonshu in very dire situations. It's not the worst MCU show but it's still underwhelming compared to Daredevil for example, which also changed some things but is a lot more comic accurate overall.>>150566345Out of the main lineup, he's the most mishandled one for sure. People can complain about Professor Hulk but what they did to Thor was worse.
>>150566354It doesn't even make sense for him to be a fat slob in Endgame! By the way he was acting pre-timeskip, he should have been a hardass warrior king running drills on himself and never giving a moment to grieve.
>>150566354>the supernatural aspects should be more subtleI think they just focused on the wrong shit. There was too much of Marc just fighting human randos instead of ghosts or vampires or something. I thought most of the Khonshu appearances were fine, but the big kaiju battle and the sky beam aren't really his style, I agree. It should've been more grounded.
>>150566375>too much of Marc just fighting human randos instead of ghosts or vampires>should've been more grounded.
>>150566375Yeah and MK himself was made into a supernatural mummy, when in reality he should've just had a power boost under a full moon. He's not supposed to be Spawn, he's basically schizo Batman with some enhanced strength on occasion.>>150566371They had to do that to nerf him as he ultimately killed Thanos and doing that a second time wasn't an option. But his overall depiction even going back to the first movie was underwhelming compared to the comics.
>>150565004I don't get this retcon. He did not drug and rape her, but should still die a horrible death because ???
>>150566228To me, MCU and Bendis' Moon Knight suffer from the exact same issue: trying to make them more wacky and comedic when it doesn't fit the character. Both also happen to be the worst Moon Knight incarnations I had the displeasure of touching.They're pretty much cut from the same cloth.
>>150562929Insomniac have a hard on for the BND/Slott era, no wonder they picked Yuri over Jean
>>150566468Because it's written by the same woman who gave you the "menstruation turns women into murderous werecats" comic that was so schizo, fucking Marville seems coherent in comparison.Also remember, all criticism of her shitty comics was by "sexist manbabies". Until trannies got offended, then it became "valid" to dunk on her.
>>150566474This is also true. That was my issue with the Venom movies as well. They tried turning both into Deadpool-esque characters when it doesn't really fit the overall narrative. Moon Knight's case in particular is pretty fucked up in the comics, multiple personality disorder is no joke.
He's yet to recover between this and being a footnote in the MCU. The people that defend pic related just don't like Hawkeye
>>150559842>2nd worst for MJWhich was the first?
>>150566501It's a major MCU issue. Trying to fit every single character into a very specific formula, to the point that most stories and characters who'd benefit from different tones start sounding the same instead.Sony by extension wanted to replicate that formula with Venom to ride onto MCU's success.
>>150564518Miles had some pretty neat suits and I don't like him.
>>150558411One could say nearly everything from bendis isn’t very good.I mean heck Ultimate Spiderman isn’t that good when you think about it.>>150558619I hope you heal from those years, I don’t know you, but I feel you can heal from that hurt, and do so much more from your ass of a father.This comic itself is nothing but a fucking sign miller was not doing okay since idk too. Probably has trauma too and he dealt with it like this, it’s fucking horrid
>>150566448Well, that's the problem. It was either cheesing fights with complete randoms by tanking all the damage or big CGI laser fights, and Moon Knight is best when he's sort of in the middle. He's supposed to fight monsters, but he's still supposed to be vulnerable. And if he's fighting regular humans, have him fight some stereotypical mobster types, not just a cult leader's do-nothing security guards and knife-wielding Arabs.>>150566458Yeah, it would've been really cool if they used the temporary power boost thing. I guess they sort of gave him super-strength, but it was way more inconsistent.
>>150566575It definitely should've been episodic, Instead of doing the usual MCU thing where every show is a movie that's dragged out and cut into several episodes.Shit like watching Moon Knight fight an ex-SHIELD agent turned serial killer one issue and a bunch of ghosts in another is partly why Ellis' run worked and was more interesting than him fighting generic cultists until he got the final (entirely underwhelming) boss, but the art of episodic storytelling is dead. It should've been fucking Kolchak with superheroes, not what we've got.
>>150566510I mean Matt fraction that bad for a writer though right?
>>150566610This. How did an entire franchise based off of comic books completely forget that they could do individualized stories that subtly propel the narrative along? The only ones that got this right were the dogshit What If...? series and She-Hulk (which I actually kinda liked, sue me).
>>150566676because comics forgot they were serials and now write for trades and omnis
>>150566678Shit, I never thought about that...
>>150566676She-Hulk got nothing right.
>>150566690True, but it was just lighthearted episodic fun, which basically none of the other Disney+ were. Plus, I still enjoyed Tatiana Maslany's acting a lot despite the CGI and lack of sex appeal.Proper character adaptations meant very little when most of them were five-minute cameos anyway.
>>150563741reminds me of guys with half a head of hair, hanging on
>>150566690Casting Maslany was a good choice, she's a good actress. They just gave her nonsense to work with.
>>150563073I'm glad this fell through the only people that liked this were yurifags that thought she would turn gay and cuckoofags that liked that kamala was glazing one of them>Kamala is a huge fan of sophie cuckoo>The same sophie that died in like her fifth appearance and stayed dead until kakoa>Sophie is constantly being a bitch and talking down to everyone while kamala is cheering her own>forced friendship where kamala claims to know sophie so well that she knows she wouldn't do bad things despite sophie being in league with the antagonist until the very last arcTerrible fucking writing.
>>150563073>Didn't even know how kamala's powers worked and claimed using her healing factor would erase themIt can't be that hard to read a book or even check a wiki
It would be easy to point at the live action but Soule's Medusa was quite bad>same woman that stuck by Black Bolt through war of kings left him over the T-bomb>hooking up with her sister's ex boyfriend>huge jobber because Soule wanted his OC's to save the day
>>150564794Only edgy emos think God butcher was good
>>150564573>>150564589Season 1 of Daredevil wasn't very good either.
>>150568649Yes it was.
>>150563741>>150566246The afro is fine, it's the weird contrast between his upper and lower body that makes this hideous.
Awful.
>>150559636no but afterwards.
>>150558666Punisher killing demons sounds like something he would do and would be cool to see.
>>15056634515 year humiliation ritual and a bunch of directors that think his world and characters are boring.I'd say Hemsworth has integrity for not wanting to come back until he gets a decent script, but we all know he'll do it for a few extra zeros on his paycheck.
>>150567082She's old.Dead egger old.
>>150570772Why would an experienced lawyer at a major firm who's a contemporary of Bruce Banner be a 20 year old?
>>150570826I didn't say 20.Just not a 38 year old hag.
>>150571012She was cast when she was 35. How come you have no problem with Mark Ruffalo first being cast in his mid 40s, and nearly 60 now?
>>150571079Because men age like wine and women age like bread.
>>150566268that one takes the fucking cakeunbelievably fucking dogshit
>>150571079Incidentally, Maslany is a much better at acting than Ruffalo.
>>150556902I am not a fan of how Kid Gert came back to I Hate Fairyland during the relaunch.If that relaunch sold itself as a sequel, why kill and replace adult Gert with kid Gert in the middle of a story arc? Was the writer not confident in continuing the story with adult Gert? I know this series is just Gert doing wacky episodic stuff but it just feels wrong.
RIP Hulk's relevancy
>>150566290>>150566330>ruining half the characters was kino>making all the new characters retarded was kino>dogshit music was kino>dogshit choreography was kino>spending half the show on karen paige drama was kino>it was extra kino when born again quadrippled down on all those problemsYou are SUCH a garbage eater, holy shit.
>>150566268It's rare that it genuinely qualifies for "in name only" as opposed to a loose adaptation, but this was actually in name only. If you'd called her Sin, for instance, she would still have been incredibly loose as an adaptation, but at least it might have roughly matched "youngster looked out for by Black Canary". Calling her Cassandra Cain was no different from calling her Tim Drake, or I don't know, Nyssa al Ghul, just nonsense.
>>150556902Toss up between three jokers, folie a deux and leto.
Mary Jane Venom?
>>150570826>>150571079Because she was a hot young 20 something in the comics when her first run started which is where the She Hulk TV show starts. Mark was cast mid-series when Bruce Banner was supposed to be middle aged. Are you some kind of retard?
>>150571683Plus I don't like how she gets her powers like an AIDS infection. Can't even have Bruce save her life after getting shot by the mob.
>>150566474Wasn't Marc kinda quippy before Bendis?
>>150566510that book saved Hawkeye, you dumbassyou just hate it because it was/is popular
>>150572169The spider-woman drama was unnecessary
>>150572106not really. He had action movie one liners sometimes but that was about it.
>>150558347Holy fucking redditASBaR is peak MillerMan are you're actually a secondary if you read it (not watch your favorite friend simulator read a wiki article) and genuinely think it sucks.
I am very sick of her either being used to put Stephen down or exposit the writers’ obvious fetishes.Jason Aaron’s Dr. Strange solo is my answer, otherwise, especially since the writers that came after him seem to be keeping up the quirky Harry Potter knockoff shit he was so fond of. Clea was just easier to encapsulate in a screenshot.
>>150556902Current (Post-Infamous)>he just wants to save all the niggerinos and create globohomo while hating violence and all yucky thingsDoom. They've completely defanged him and turned him into an utterly pathetic and unintimidating villain. He's lost his entire appeal and eccentricity. It's asinine that they have the guy who LITERALLY BECAME GOD stoop to this lowly nonsense.
Ewing is the biggest fraud in the industry. I think I genuinely prefer the gotg space knight crap over this.
>>150566554It's way to easy to list all the awful characterisation and things Bendis did to characters so settled for just how shit he did Shocker in his Ultimate run, though frankly bendis is awful with all villains honestly.
>>150572169In what way did making him a joke character “save him”?
>>150564560I wonder how they looked at a list of Patsy's traits and decided this was a good idea. Maybe it was the other way around and she got an arbitrary name from comic books.
>>150576451qrd?
>>150558269>>150571195Any and every chance you can get to whine huh.
>>150573230>>he just wants to save all the niggerinos and create globohomo while hating violence and all yucky thingsThe fact that you or anyone believes the character means this says a lot about how dumb you are
>>150573501>Worst versions of a character>Thread just turns into whining about the current or most recent incarnations>Even if there were far FAR worse versions You fuckers have memories on par with goldfish
>>150576467>Matt decides to finally accept the Hand's destiny for him and becomes their leader>Tries to turn them into a force for good but is slowly corrupted>They try to jam their demon lord into Matt's body and all hell breaks loose when all of Matt's friends try and unbrainwash himAaron being a hack and fraud also refused to touch any of this instead copying the same story but a million times worse
>>150576724what the fuck
>>150576664That lasted like 4 issues and was pretty much just a filler character to get the symbiote between flash and eddie
>>150576774Shadowland. It actually wasn't that bad, led to a really good Black Panther run and Waid's legendary Daredevil run
Live-action counts, right? Hate how goofy this fucker was.
>>150576835And so was Angelo but they're still far worse than MJ venom. Motherfuckers need to remember the REAL bad shit and not the most recent but mediocre shit
>>150556902It had to be on purpose. Amy Pascal had to be involved. There's no way they could get both Carnage and Shriek so horribly wrong without it being done intentionally.
>>150563604I will always love Grant Morrison's Action Comics, but other than that run you're right, New 52 Superman was pretty rough.More controversially, I'm not a big fan of John Byrne's version of Superman from immediately post-Crisis. He eliminated a lot of the imaginative sci-fi elements that made pre-Crisis Superman so great, and contributed to the Marvelization of Superman. A lot of the good post-Crisis Superman comics consisted of the writers reintroducing elements from pre-Crisis.Still, New 52 Superman sans Moz is worse.
>>150576664Lee Price is 100% on the faggots who wanted Venom to be a villain again. He is exactly what they wanted and they didn't even know it. But he's not even the worst Venom. The worst Venom is the dogshit Insomniac one.
>>150571195ENOUGH with the Fairyland
>>150576868And yet he could not sanction the buffoonery. Really makes you think
>>150577049>The worst Venom is the dogshit Insomniac one.Oh shit you are absolutely right
>>150566268That movie we as terribly miscast
>>150577054>Ta ta ta ta... Let's not blow... this out of proportion.>You think you can just complain about IHF Volume 2 #7 again and just walk away?>Yeah.>I'm putting the word out- 500 grand for this whiner dead. A million alive, so I can teach him some manners first.>Alright. So, listen why don't you give me a call... when you want to start taking things a little more seriously? Here is my card.
>any random X-Men character from the last twenty-plus years
>>150578066Ultimate Kitty getting de-kiked by peter's righteous catholic cock was pretty kino until they killed him.
>>150577025I like Super Byrne. The removal of a lot of stuff is a bit sad but a good chunk of it ended up being brought back anyways. And it's not that I don't understand or even agree with the criticism but with the nature of it being a reboot I feel like a lot of it was necessary and I'd rather they didn't just rush to make it exactly like it was before.
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>>150576554That makes no sense to say
>>150576868he playing the joker, not twoface.
>>150582636Nigger you whine about I Hate Fairyland and Old Gert getting killed by a younger version all the fucking time. It's such a specific autistic fucking complaint that I find it hard to believe it's more than one person
>>150558269Objectively wrong.Slott is one of the most memorable Shulk writers because he made her exactly what she should have always been - Ally McBeal with capes.
>look mom I'm le trolling the 4chinzLose some weight, fat fuck.
>>150571079>no problem with Marc Ruffaloare there people who actually like Buffalo and Banner?
>>150577025>ControversiallyI don't think this is really controversial.
>>150586744>Thread is about worst Iteration of favorite character/franchise>I think this iteration of IHF sucks because it killed the main protagonist and goes against the initial premise of the new run.>https://youtu.be/HTxpQyU56pkCalm down, man.
>>150571079Word of advice: come at me with Norton instead if you want to accuse me of hypocrisy..Ruffalo fucking sucks as an actor and for all the "Norton is difficult to work with" crap, everything I learn about Ruffalo makes him sound like an even more insufferable faggot. At least Norton had some respect for the character he was portraying.Does it even fit the thread, when it's the same character portrayed by two actors whose approach is entirely different? Because I'd say I fucking hate Ruffalo's Hulk.
>>150588574Nigger YOU calm down. You're the one who constantly screaming into the void about this. Friggin let it go man
>>150556902IDW Turtles is overrated.
>>150585749And that's the biggest issue right there.
>>150556902Americans just can’t write a joke about themselves.
>>150590345That was fun but it definitely lacks the same satirical bite of the 2000AD stuff
Why do people take a waifu beauty peagant on a mongolian basket weaving forum so seriously?
>>150566524Venom MJ
>>150566474>trying to make them more wacky and comedic when it doesn't fit the characterit's especially annoying since Marc is ALREADY funny, he just has a dry sense of humor and is often put in absurdist situations where he just rolls with whatever ridiculous bullshit is thrown his way. He's not above one liners or aura farming, but the MCU tv show made him a fucking manchild.
>>150566474I've heard Bemis is somehow worse than Bendis but maybe not worse than the TV show
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>>150558666I kinda liked the magic punisher era, probably because it was a weird interlude before Max.
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>>150590784MCU has only two types of "funny" character: RDJ Tony Stark wannabe and Pratt Starlord wannabe manchild. Unfortunately MCU Marc is the latter.
>>150590892Also just wanted to note that you'd reasonably expect Spider-Man to be the former, but he somehow ended up being the latter.
>>150558666I respect your opinion but Frank going around slaughtering demons and hellspawn with holy water bullets and blessed guns is the coolest shit ever and depicting Hell and Demons as basically supernatural mobsters and loan sharks preying on the vulnerable and people's vices means it's not even that much of a leap from his origins. It's kind of Spawn adjacent but that's the sort of 90's/2000's edge I want from Punisher, and Frank taking joy in obliterating ontological evil should be used as an occasional treat for the character
>>150559842those games are literally the only things i can tolerate miles in (except the bullshit they pulled at the end of 2)
>>150571231>Edward Norton was too much of a based chad for Feige to handle so he recasts Banner with possibly the most bitch-made actor of all time
>>150590345nah, you're just years late to every joke that's made about America.
>>150558619Hugs sent
>>150558666I wrote a version of Punisher who, instead of killing mobsters, kills PMCs and war profiteers because they killed his squad. The first real family he'd ever known
>>150576835>Memedevil>Legendary
>>150592097He does this too in MAX but not on behalf of his squad. Punisher Soviet has Valery who has pretty much this exact revenge mission
>>150592135He's also depicted as less of a Commando style walking arsenal and more akin to FEAR's Point Man. Blazingly fast, accurate, and utterly unstoppable even against highly trained soldiers
>>150576664NTA but I genuinely enjoyed Lee Venom, esp. the zombie version. Yes, the current iteration is much worse.
>>150577049This was better than Tom Hardy's Venom actually. Voice alone mogs his entire performance.
>>150592150I kind of wish there'd be a Big Two comic run with the same tone as the FEAR games
>>150576451filtered
>>150592111Just because you don't like the man doesn't mean his run wasn't fantastic
>>150588695NTA but you don't need to get angry when someone mentions an aspect they disliked about a run in a thread of disliked iterations of characters/franchises just because that complaint is everywhere to the point it gets annoying.
>>150592218I've been saying if for a while now but Punisher needs to deal with sub Superhero crime, things that are too big for feds but too small for the Avengers/X-men, things that would have been an average day for SHIELD if they still existed.
>>150592349So at what point am I supposed to get tired of spam, why should he get a pass for pissing in the toilet when he usually pisses in the trash can
>>150557123>>150559636I think part of the reason Megatron became a jobber during RoTF and DotM is because in-universe he never gets to properly rest after his previous defeats. In RoTF he is dead and after he is revived he immediately starts with The Fallen the Pyramid plan and in DotM he is on the run in Africa after getting half his face blown off.>>150592418>Click on arrow next to post number>Hide Post>Profit
>>150566524>Peter I hate you being Spider-Man you suck>I will now break up with you and start dating PAUL-SAMA and bear his BABIES in my WOMB>I will also become a superhero myself, which makes no sense but I do it because PAUL-SAMA (forma del real life 100% por ciento) liked Red Sonja>Okay actually I don't like Paul anymore because our books aren't selling even as we cannibalize yours>I have obtained the Venom symbiote and am now She-Venom>Peter, please fuck us we want you SO bad! Your new nurse gf is being written to be as bitchy as I used to be to make me look better so pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase?
>>150592388Punisher feels like shit when he's not mowing down gangsters, rapists, crooks, and corrupt cops/officials/etc.
>>150558347There's an All Star Batman?
>>150592188I always thought the marvel zombies shit was fucking stupid because of how they handled characters who shouldn't have been able to become zombies at all, like Ghost Rider or Phoenix.
>>150572498I read it and I actually didn’t think it was that bad. Entertaining almost the entire time at least. Not the best though
>>150593809Nah
>>150593943Great argument
>>150586788That book was 33 issues of incel revenge fiction.
>>150588332It's at most divisive
>>150556902MCU LokiMCU HulkMCU ThorMCU Spider-Man
>>150593963Not like you put up much of one
>>150593967Take a shot!
>>150594019>I think (X)>no>elaborate?>noGreat argument
>>150594028And I thought Jessica Jones as a slut, lmfao
>>150586788There is a reason why Ally McBeal has been memory-holed, She wasn't a good person and really held back a lot women with her antics.
>>150594032>Great argumentAgain it's not like you put up much of one
>>150560515I have only read one full volume of Moon Knight and it was this one and it was just shittyI could BARELY tell what the FUCK was happening the ENTIRE time. I have no idea why so many writers write in such confusing ways.
>>150594988Honestly, all modern "Marc sure is CUH-RAAAZY!" Moon Knight is varying degrees of awful.And turning Frenchie into a gay, legless restaurateur is still the most baffling choice for a character I've ever encountered in comics.
>>150564840i never got that deep into powergirl but now i associate her with the name change to "paige" for the most retarded of reasons. it reminds me of how schools are so deathly afraid of parents that they proactively fire teachers who cuss in front of their students.
>>150566345I think the MCU doesn’t know what to do with him and got embarrassed when what they were doing failed and began to downplay him, which is shit. He’s a complete joke, a fucking cartoon character, which hurts to see as a Thor fan especially when you go back and see him in action in the comics. What they did to all of Asgard and the characters connected in general is a steaming pile of garbage.Please kill off Thor.
>>150566371But that’s not Le funny! We wanna make it funnnnyyyyyyy!!
>>150593992whats wrong with MCU Spiderman
>>150595556He is just Iron boy
>>150594409>I believe (X)>no>elaborate?>no>...are you sure you don't want to elaborate?>yesGreat argument
>>150595556He's not really spider-man. He's just Tony's adopted son. It's like how they made Aunt May a hot christmas cake widower rentoid, it's just .. not speaking to the character.
>>150595556He's immature, irresponsible, whiny and spends more time trying to be Iron Man Jr than Spider-man. They had to drag him kicking and screaming into being a super hero in FFH.
>>150577025This is the era that got me into Superman, so it'll always be "my" Superman. But I could still say it isn't perfect-the "birthing matrix" was needlessly convoluted, as were the reworkings of the Legion, Superboy, Zod and Supergirl, a.k.a. Matrix to accommodate the lone Kryptonian mandate and removal of Clark's time as Superboy
>>150597095>the "birthing matrix" was needlessly convolutedit's literally just byrne being turbo insecure so he had to invent a way for Superman to technically have birthright citizenship via jus soli, if he arrived in kansas as a baby he wouldn't be an automatic u.s citizen the way he is by fucking hatching out of a fucking egg
>>150591030Demon Hunter Frank would have been fine as a What If or alternate Earth, but having it happen in main 616 continuity was absolutely cuckoo bananas
>>150596185>>150596472Why did they make May such a baddie?
>>150598500Her nephew is a 15 year old, it didn't really make sense for her to be like 81
>>150598594....and? She's old as fuck in Ultimate Spiderman too, where he was also in highschool, and in Raimi's Spiderman, where he was also in highschool and college, and in the original comics, where he started out as Spiderman when he was like, 18-20Why did they make her an absolutely fuckable MILF who slept around before Ben and got railed by Tony Stark instead of granny auntie?
>>150599019Yes, and it never made much sense in the first place.
>>150599039>it never made senseIt made perfect sense. Growing up I didn't have a single aunt under the age of 50. I'll be pushing 40 by the time my nephew is 15 and if I had a child TOMORROW, my sister would be pushing 60 by the time he was 15.Ben was the oldest brother in his family, hence why he and his wife were basically old enough to be Peter's grandparents. Changing things arbitrarily is peak zoomer brainrot.I would still plap young May, thoughbeit.
>>150598594>it didn't really make sense for her to be like 81It doesn't make sense because you're a retarded child. Making her young and hot ruins the series entirely. She doesn't need help from Peter to get by so Peter never has to grow up.
>>150599841even the writers understood this, which is why they killed her off with Willem DeFoe.
I don't think May is textually meant to be a million years old it's just how Ditko drew her and her always being sick.It is funny to think that (pre sliding timeline) she was born in the 1890s
>>150599889The fact that it took them THREE fucking movies to get to the basic level of Spider-man proves they didn't. Killing Aunt May was a last ditch desperate fix. Good fucking Lord, I don't know what it is about the current generation that feel like they need to fix things that aren't broken.
>>150599930>Comic Pete: Green Goblin killed my hot girlfriend>Raimi Pete: Green Goblin almost killed my mid girlfriend, my old aunt, and me>Webb Pete: Green Goblin killed my hot girlfriend>Watts Pete: Green Goblin killed my hot aunt, and also crippled Raimi Pete.The fact no way home basically was all about the characters from the other spiderman movies instead of Spider-Lad or his own villains is hilarious to me by the way
>>150599902iirc she was meant to be pretty young and attractive, but Ditko decided that it would be more interesting for her and Ben to be an "embarrasment" for Peter, living with an old couple instead of traditional pair of parents like every other kid, and as time went on, having to struggle with the fact that May WOULD realistically die relatively soon.
>>150599930I recently rewatched Spider-Man 3 and it took me aback at how fucking white new york was depicted as beingit was truly a different time
>>150595278I remember people half-jokingly suggesting the name change as Leah and/or DC trying to distance Power Girl from the negative connotations of the Karen name. I don't doubt that might have played some part of it, but I'm more sure that they thought Karen sounded too close to Kara and thought a name change was the best way to distinguish and lessen confusion between her and Supergirl (especially with the latter's movie coming up). All the while ironically making them more similar than ever.There was a lot of "stop overreacting, it's just a name" but the name change itself wasn't the problem; it was just emblematic of the larger problem at hand. It would still be hated even if PG was written correctly, but she wasn't.
>>150577049make that every version of Harry Osborn turning into VenomThey tried doing this shit three times and every time it was just dogshit>You diminish Venom as a character by taking away Eddie and his vengeance on Spider-man, wich is integral to his character development>You diminish Harry Osborn, who is a complete character with his own arc that doesnt need VenomThis shit does nothing but piss off two fanbasesWhatever writer keeps pushing this shit should jump off a cliff
>>150602508I don't get why insomniac was so allergic to the green goblin, spider-man's actual arch nemesis.
>>150602834same problem Spider-man 3 hadSony just to eager to jump into Venom without Spidey developing his personal relationship with the character first
>>150576868He was trying to match Jim Carrey it seemed. But he's far from the worse two-face. I hate how they deleted the court room scene. This guy is definetly the worst
>>150602508>piss off two fanbasesThree fanbases. He took Agent Venom from Flash.
>>150603667Thats so lame. Flash is literally in this universe helping Veterans. He's my favorite marvel character and they didn't have the balls to do anything with him. Still better than Flashjeet in the MCU thoughever
>>150603689>FlashjeetYeah, this wins for worst iteration. It's genuinely pathetic they even had him dye his hair blonde and it still doesn't fit.
>>150603721Yeah this guy looks like he's a football star/army vet. For sure. And people say MCU Spider-Man is a return to form
>>150590345Only had about 6 issues worth reading across all the IDW Dredd line.
>>150576868I agree, but I really like his costume.>>150603652He got the best episodes, but it's true that he's also a very week Harvey/Two-Face.
>>150594988that run was really fun
>>150566268What were they thinking?
>>150603652qrd?
>>150606133Batman the caped crusader. Harvey is a borderline corrupt attorney but he has a change of heart. Gets splashed and randomly goes crazy. He barely flips the coin and just goes around muttering to himself.
>>150606133But if you meant the deleted courtroom scene I was refering to the Batman Foreverhttps://youtu.be/sws-buryO24?si=ChXvlD-epGcK0-Z0
>>150564852>joining a crime syndicate in the Ostrander runAnd why did he shave his head?
>>150569834The problem isn't killing demons, the problem is making him an agent for angels and giving him faggy angel guns that can only hurt demons.
>>150602834because people would inevitably compare it to spider-man 3 and amazing spider-man 2 as reference points for how much of a dogshit job they were doing.
>>150590345>Americans just can’t write a joke about themselves.Reminds me of this quote by Shusuke Kaneko about the 1998 US Godzilla
>>150607361And yet they lifted so many beats from those movies and the segment where you play as Venom is from Ultimate Spider-Man
>>150607361Didn't stop MUA3. Nobody is gonna get confused about Spider-man villains.
>>150607361oh yeah, the incredible Green Goblins from Amazing Spider-Man 2
>>150586788No, it’s not an unreasonable angle to take the character but his weird way of writing women really marred the project on look back
>>150603721Sad thing is I actually like his character, they just shouldn’t have made him flash. Pretty much every mcu spider character isn’t bad, they’re just nothing like the characters they’re “based on”
>>150556902>Dan Slott's Spiderman>Scott Snyder's Batman>Tom King's Batman>Kevin Smith's Batman>Zdarky's BatmanHonestly the last 10-15 years of Batman and the last...fuck....20 years of Spiderman?
>>1506098779/11 ruined a lot of new york heroes
>>1506100042025>One World Doom. Doom is a stand in for Hitler and Trump2001>Doom cries at the towers getting blown up
>>150610004The Punisher only got better because of Ennis' anger at the event
>>150610241The latter was retarded
>>150573230I always thought they should have let Doom do what they had the Wakadans do. Basically fuck off from Earth with his people and take them to the stars. A middle finger not just to Earth in general but Reed in particular. Reed Richards should have Earth free of most modern diseases, and on free energy and that is without any of Reed's kids, Tony, Forge, Beast or any other fucking genius intellect getting involved. It also would let Doom lean into being a despot and wanting to be seen as a God. If you were a Latverian what other choice would you have but to listen to Doom if he'd solved health, hunger, and dependence on Earth while you're floating in space? It would let Doom become an intergalactic threat too.
