This could have been DC ultimate universe. They waited too long and decided to focus on the trash new 52 mainline.
Yea its a shame, this could legit be the best DC universe if they just keep adding to it. But its a bit of a double edged sword, they would run it to shit as well if they shifted focus to it. But would be amazing to witness.
>>150563267>But its a bit of a double edged sword, they would run it to shit as well if they shifted focus to it.Sad but true
>>150563248i thought this was the nu52 desu
>>150563248>what if they made a story about... wait for it.. batman 's ORIGIN?
>>150563423No, the story is "what if Batman Year One but Batman is a fucking retard?"
>>150563248So what happened to this universe ?
>>150563685They forgot about it
>>150563685Wonder Woman has a super tight pussy and shes a lesbian. Not sure about other two.
>>150563248That's what Absolute is now.
>>150563685It ended. Still exists but they’re never going to return to it with Absolute as the new hot thing.
The 3rd WW volume was among the most pure evil woke atrocities imaginable with them presenting it as a good thing for the Amazon's to hold out on giving humanity cures for diseases until we debase ourselves to their satisfaction and also to spite rich people.
>>150564900>>150563685#DiDidiot Happened.DC from 2004 when Dan first started getting real power, till about 2008-2010 when he consolidated, the publisher kept coming up with initiatives and ideas that never went anywhere or were essentially killed on arrival, or allowed to die a still-birth, from DC Ink and DC Zoom, to the Earth One Graphic Novel universe, etc.DiDio allowed things like JMS to spin out Superman EN and set up a bunch of shit and then never follow through. And even worse, allowed shit like Cereal Lord doing a Batman that was barely different from mainline batwank AND let him take forever to push out the second book, etc. etc.
>>150565322>>150565322>>150565322Bump
>>150564922PREACH SISTER!!!
>>150563248I don't know about that because I feel like Superman: Earth One's tepid response was a big stumbling block.
>>150563248Because it's boring. Wouldn't they just go through the same events as their mainline counterparts and become the same as them? At least Absolute shakes things up.
>>150566650Incels are men that hate all women because they aren't romantically successful.Demonizing a misandrist brainwashing cult for letting thousands to millions of people die until we subjugate ourselves to their liking is factually has nothing to do with Inceldom, WTF are you talking about.
Wonder Woman was too crazy and the others were too boring. Most interesting thing about Superman was that he dated a prostitute.
>>150566926Bump
>>150566703>Wouldn't they just go through the same events as their mainline counterpartsThe batman one was just What If Bruce But Very Incompetent. The Teen Titans one was just body horror experimentation and there was little there to connect them any legacies, which means his Editor(s) and Leimire misunderstood the initial concept of the Silver Age Teen Titans. I mean, even the DC cartoon version of Young Justice has them be legacies tied to the adult hero even if that aspect only book-ends part of the first season for most of them. Superman, on the other hand, creates an entirely different way and reason for the destruction of Krypton, introduces Zod in a different way, as well as Kryptonite, and introduces a Luthor as a villain in a different way as well. Clark starts different once he leaves the farm and is different in some respects. If JMS had real talent, he likely wouldn't have made him a news reporter and also completely jettisoned Lois other than as the investigative reporter dogging Superman's history and looking into his history/past. Essentially, the parts David Goyer stole for Man of Steel and ran with with Lois, until they ended up kissing for no real reason, in the middle of the destruction porn in the third act.
>>150563248>>150563879Earth One is an unusable universe after what Grant Morrison did to Wonder Woman.>LITERALLY castrates and enslaves all men on Earth>establishes a totalitarian gynocracy that lasts for centuries (implied forever)>prepares to conquer other planets and castrate and enslave males there>this is all presented as a good thing and happens with Diana's approvalI'm still astonished that they allowed him to do this kind of wilful line-wide sabotage.
>>150567975Earth One was already an imprint with no future, this was a better send-off than what Marvel did to 1610. Morrison optimism instead of pessimism, just an unsettling kind. Not all that different from the ending to the Invisibles or The Filth.
>>150568335I REALLY wouldn't categorize turning reality into hell for 50% of the population as "optimism" of any sort.
>>150567975all of this happened in new 52 wonder woman and people loved it, that proves that these things alone dont ruin it just the presentation and surrounding context. So basically you dont like it for other reasons and youre narrowly focusing on that stuff to bitch.
>>150568409Is it hell if they're happy?
>>150567880>Superman, on the other hand, creates an entirely different way and reason for the destruction of Krypton, introduces Zod in a different way, as well as Kryptonite, and introduces a Luthor as a villain in a different way as well. Clark starts different once he leaves the farm and is different in some respects. If JMS had real talent, he likely wouldn't have made him a news reporter and also completely jettisoned Lois other than as the investigative reporter dogging Superman's history and looking into his history/past. Essentially, the parts David Goyer stole for Man of Steel and ran with with Lois, until they ended up kissing for no real reason, in the middle of the destruction porn in the third act.The impression I got by the end of Superman Earth One is that Lois basically ends up in the Commissioner Gordon role instead and Lisa Lasalle was Clark's love interest instead
>>150568484>all of this happened in new 52 wonder womanWait what
>>150566663Superman Earth One vol 1 sold well on release despite the criticisms. It seemed more like several factors:>New 52 and every other DC and Marvel initiative taking up the oxygen>turn against Earth One happening around the time of Superman E1 vol 2 and Batman E1 vol 1>loss of interest because of the long gaps between volumesFor all the complaining about E1 several of them still get talked about. I honestly cannot even remember the last time people talked about Marvel's answer to the E1 GNs, the Season One GNs.
>>150563248>DC ultimate universethat was New 52, except they forgot it wasn't supposed to be the main universe
>>150569155Like I wrote, JMS is not one of the particularly creative or imaginative of the professional hacks, who are technically proficient and occasionally able to write proficient and even mildly engaging stories in a run. For all I know, his Spider-Man may have been the heights of creativity but Grounded had already proven he wasn't interested in or able to manage that for Clark/Superman, so there was really no reason for them to offer him Earth One. I don't want to bother re-reading E1 V3 to remind me of where Lois was in that, and DESU, I had to skim the wikia on Lasalle to remind me that she did meet and visit Ma, so you are right, she was. But that was the equivalent of a fan fic tier writer making Bruce into a female Batman named Brucina of inspiration. The more interesting thing they did was Lex dying and his wife being another L. Luthor but of course, even though there were alleged places JMS was taking this, it was just dropped. And even though DC was willing to drop Shane Davis, they weren't willing to offer the book to someone else - and again, that's why I blame #DiDiot since it's part and parcel of every other shitty thing he does.If DiDio were still around, those Compact DC Editions and DC Finest books would probably already be gone, substituted by some NEW collection edition, just like he stupidly killed the DC Essential Editions. >>150569247v2 and v3 sold comparably well. Normies like to read complete stories. Shane Davis drew good action sequences and JMS for all his flaws could script decent action. That all appeals to the casuals who were the intended audience for these, who didn't want to waste time collecting 5-6 floppies at some hell hole LCS.
>>150571313>For all I know, his Spider-Man may have been the heights of creativity but Grounded had already proven he wasn't interested in or able to manage that for Clark/Superman, so there was really no reason for them to offer him Earth One.It's because he was already working on Earth One before he started work on Grounded. They offered him that first (and then officially announced it in December 2009). JMS being announced as working on Superman Grounded and Wonder Woman happened in March 2010, so they asked him to do those while he was already working on Earth One
>>150567975That's hot desu. Based Gooner Grant nuking this terrible imprint.
>>150563248>decide to make new Universe to tell more grounded, neater stories>forget to publish any books for it>reboot the main Universe so it's also more grounded and has neater continuityWhat were they thinking?
>>150571059No All-Star > Earth-One > New 52/Earth Two > (and 5G if Didio had kept his job)Now from the bald fuck himselfhttps://www.polygon.com/comics/22679756/dc-comics-reboot-new-52-writers-oral-history/>Marvel had such success with [Miles Morales and the Ultimate line], and I kept on pointing to that. I thought to myself, We needed that. I tried a couple of times — the All-Star line was supposed to be a shot at that, the Earth One books were supposed to be shot at that. They were good as stand-alone concepts, and we got some great work from that, but it didn’t drive a line. And ultimately, the only way it works is if you drive the cohesiveness of the line. We were doing it piecemeal, but to really make an impression, to really catch the attention of the marketplace, you had to do something dramatic. And ultimately, that’s what turned into the New 52.It's also pretty much what ultimately lead to DC and Snyder taking a gamble with Abs.
>>150571798>All-Star > Earth-One > New 52/Earth Two > (and 5G if Didio had kept his job)This is correct. A lot of people forgot that around the time DC was putting together All Star line, the press and rumors were all comparing it to Ultimate before the name was announced. And if you look at the early stages of All Star Batman before Frank Miller was announced as writer, it was going to be a lot different looking, because Jeph Loeb and Jim Lee were intending on an "Ultimate" Batman for All Star. But then Loeb bailed for Marvel and Didio or whoever quickly got Frank Miller to do All Star Batman instead and the narrative shifted to saying Miller and Lee's All Star Batman was part of Miller's universe instead and the designs looking more traditional.Also it's funny he says that Earth One didn't drive a line and that's what led to the New 52, because there was only one Earth One GN out before the New 52, Superman Earth One vol 1. Batman Earth One and Superman Earth One vol 2 didn't release till 2012, after the New 52 was already underway. Makes me wonder if he looked at how long the Earth One books were gonna release and made that decision
>>150572121Just can't build a line with OGNs, they take too long.
