When did you realize Frank Grimes was right?In a world of influencers and other famous idiots who do absolutely nothing and have everything, I can’t help feeling like old Grimey.
>>150571508Sounds like you just suck.
>>150571508he's not right because he ultimately couldn't just learn to take shit a little easier now securing a paying job. he just decided to hate fixate on Homer instead of improving himself.
grimes sucks
Honestly it does feel that way for the past 5 years or more. People listen to absolute morons and take them seriously. I'm gradually accepting that critical thinking is a rare skill.
>>150571541You can work hard your whole life and you’ll never be as recognized as some slut saying “HAWK TUAH” or a fat kid making goofy faces. Feels bad man.
>>150571508When I was... born...? >Bro the world is actually le unfair and le stupid and evil. I just swallowed the blackpill 15 years later I'm so big brain vro.Yeah no shit, the sky's blue. Your chances of winning are slim at best. If you think it's not worth it kill yourself and get it over with. If you think it's worth it then fight tooth and nail to get your prize or die trying.Simple as.
>>150571508As I was watching the episode.Because I got the joke.
How did Milhouse survive the whole factory falling over him?
>>150571508Man, imagine how silly Grimes would feel if/when he found out that Homer's controls are just a facade and other people actually do his job.
>dood grimes was right>dood homer fucked mindyI'm sick of hearing retarded takes on the simpsons
>>150571567>life is about being famous
>>150571508Grimey's problem was that Homer didn't make any fucking sense. A retarded fat slob with a loving wife and three kids living in a huge house in a nice neighborhood, working a job he wasn't qualified for at all. Homer wasn't a nepo-baby given a job by his wealthy and influential father. He wasn't some old money trust fund kid. There's no fucking reason for his life to be that good. That's what makes no sense. If Homer had some unfair advantage that explained his lifestyle, Grimes would have understood, but he'd still have Homer for it.
>>150571508>"realistic" character>has the most over-the-top shitty childhood possiblewhy do writers always do this?
>>150571508Learn his lesson and apply it. If you ask too many questions, you go mad and the world goes on without you. Ask just enough questions like Superintendent Chalmers.
>>150572087My theory is the writers are mostly spoiled rich kid college boys who had soft lives so they think everyone else had a bunch of trauma they were spared. So load up the misery because that shit loves company.
>>150571508Frank's outburst at dinner is like telling a lottery winner he is shit and shouldn't have nice things. Homer's circumstances are not his fault. He unwittingly blundered into most of them.And that snowballed into him being dead wrong manically tugging the cables, that's "universe owes me"/tempting fate territory. I hate influencers and e-celeb shit too, but it's pointless to sit and seethe, just make a mental note that theft and sabotage against their dead-eyed fans is a-ok and move on.
>>150571508He was right in the sense that Homer is an idiot who logically should not always win, but wrong in not accepting that these are the rules of the world he's in.The famous thing about the episode is that (like Armin Tanzarian... these showrunners did a lot of episodes like that) Grimes refuses to play by the rules of a sitcom and just accept that Homer is the protagonist and he will always land on his feet no matter what happens. Everyone else is so used to it they think Grimes is the weird one for pointing it out, and they're right, because it's just normal.Come to think of it Grimes has a bit of influence from the hero of the sitcom "Green Acres," which isn't very much shown nowadays but was a big influence on some of the Simpsons people (Groening and Bill Oakley among them). Eddie Albert is the only person in the entire town who tries to point out how idiotic they're acting and everyone, including his own wife, thinks he's the weirdo.
Should have been the final episode.
>>150571508I never liked Grimes because although Grimes makes a fair point about how Homer is guilty of sloth, Grimes' problem is that he's incredibly naive and entitled, and he doesn't want to roll with how the world of The Simpsons works (which is itself a stereotypical exaggeration of America). Grimes can't hack it as a Simpsons character because he wants things to resemble a non-sitcom world, but he also can't fit with the overlap between the Simpsons and the real world (where people like Homer are rewarded for doing little). Grimes is a good man for valuing hard work and self-discipline, but he failed when he assumed that the world he lived in was a meritocracy and that he would be rewarded for his input. That sort of environment has been gone for a long time and yet Grimes still clings to that as what the present reality should be, rather than actually make the most of the imperfect world he inhabits. >>150572050The funny part is that Grimes didn't know that Homer's current lifestyle comes down to good luck, but also a blessing after everything Homer experienced growing up (a harsh father, a mom who left, being seen as a loser, seeing that dead body, having to give up his dream job to support his family, etc) - not to mention that Burns only keeps Homer around to overlook cost-cutting measures.
>>150571534Grimes should have been grateful for what he did have, rather than let Homer live rent-free in his head. Lots of people don't have jobs, a place to live, a car, glasses, food and water, etc.
>Mr Burns offers him a good job at the Nuclear Plant, saving him from misery.>All the coworkers are nice to him>One of them invites him to his house for dinner>"YOU MUST BE FIRED AND SUFFER AND IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME YOU ARE CRAZY"
nobody is supposed to be "right" it's just dark comedy. life is unfair and god hates you, get over it
>>150572520And yet he happened to like hookers.
>>150572789yes
Do any of Homer’s co-workers have nuclear physics degrees?
>>150571508The entire thing was just that Homer is good at how he is through a mixture of dumb luck and a nice personalityGrimes was shown to only be a career man, his first fucking comment to Carl and Lenny was about getting a master degree in nuclear physicsLike who the fuck starts a conversation on your first day at work talking about and checking if the other works have degreesThen he had this weird obsession with Homer due to him not able to accept the fact that Homer go to where he was through just dumb luck. If anything it was borderline fucking stalking and he'd be fired after the competition trick that he pulled
>>150573077Somebody has to point out the problems with society. Most of these replies are in favor of being complacent.
>>150573452I used to think that Grimey was just a 'normal' person in a cartoon sitcom world and that he was meant to be a contrast to itIn reality, I think he was just an example of what the writers saw of the opposite of Homer: had a shit life, like Homer did but unlike Homer who said 'oh fuck it, I'll keep trying since I'm happy being me', Grimey hated himself and saw his only manner of happiness being success which is never a good idea since there's always someone better in some wayI'd say he was just an overworked (by his own desire), overstressed and just autistic sperg who couldn't adapt to working in a team environment
>>150573452>Someone has to be Lisa Simpson Trump won
>>150573629Wow he’s literally me
>world dumb, me smart
>>150573845You just summed up this entire website
It's sad he died, but he was a whiny bitch.
>>150571567So? Those people suck anyway. Most people suck. Your life shouldn’t be about other people.
>>150573452Grimes didn't take his frustrations out on a society that values useless idiots, he took it out on one particular idiot using his dumb luck to provide for his family. He's just as petty and stupid as everyone else in Springfield.
>>150572174All the retards and contrarians ITT forget that homer stole his lunch (that's formulated specifically for his allergies) violated his pencils and refused to stick up for him when Grimes saved his life. All Homer did was take advantage of everyone around him and made Grimes late to his second job just to rub his better life in his face. "Dude Grimes should just relax" you fucking imbecile, he spent his entire childhood working and studying to survive, he had no time to assume things would "work out". His death proves it, and he was robbed of any dignity even after that. Get a job, pay your own bills, and see if you still have these dipshit opinions.
>>150572236Behind the laughter is the best jump-off point
>>150575562All he did was call Homer out for being incompetentI can't believe how many posts see this as one-sided, when Homer was literally a failure at his job and a danger to societyhe is working a job that he can't do that involves the safety of others, and this is acceptable to most of you here?what about the person who is qualified and can't find a job because he's replaced by a Homer?
>>150578287It's not acceptable, it's cruel and unjust to Grimes. But that's Simpsons-God (real character)'s fault, not Homer's.
>>150578316I don't think Grimes is a great person eitherbut does it really matter who's fault it is?Ya he's a jerk to Homer but he doesn't try to kill him or attack him or anything just calls him out if I remember correctly
>>150571508I am one of those guys that say "work harder" then when presented with factory workers who wake up at 4 AM for a 10 hour shift for a miserable pay I change it to "I said smart not hard!"
To be honest. I don't have a job. But man, working like that would really be super stressful for a human being.
>>150572050Charisma is not a dump stat. Homer is easy to get along with, and that opens more doors than studying and working non stop.The reward for enduring hardship is just more hardship.
>>150576056>>>150572174> All the retards and contrarians ITT forget that homer stole his lunch (that's formulated specifically for his allergies)it was just dietetic. for context, dietetics was about maximizing nutritional value at all costs. Which sounds good on paper, but in practice turned out to be that was the precursor to those weirdos that think we should eliminate eating food entirely and just live off a pill or s o ylent
>>150580754>The reward for enduring hardship is just more hardship.This has been my experience throughout my entire life. The harder and faster you work, the more work they will find for you to do.
>>150572013being famous makes you money, which you need for shelter, food, transportation, etc. more money than working an honest job.
>>150573845This, but ironically.
>>150571508Frank Grimes is a man who believes life should be fair and make sense and is driven mental to the point it kills him when he realises the reality that it isn’t. Don’t be Frank Grimes. Accept that life is unfair and makes no sense.
>>150572135They played it up for the sake of comedy. The truth is that most people with shitty upbringings will never become successful, even just mildly successful.
>>150576056It's true Homer is a schlub in some scenes (especially when Grimes gets blamed for Homer's fuckup) but Homer doesn't lie or misdirect, he literally durrrs and dithers on the spot and the universe saves his bacon again.
>>150572789what about all of the other ways homer was unknowingly antagonizing him before that
>>150580754No he's not, Homer is fucking terrible including in the episode. The joke is just that the plot is unfolding to make Grimey go crazy but every other episode Homer is an idiot and jerk who's despised by most people he comes across.
>>150580915>being famous makes you moneyNot necessarily. Idiots think that all they have to do is get famous or get noticed by the right people and then the money will just come rolling in, but that's not how it works. The people who went from nobody to celebrity overnight, your Hawk Tuah girl types, are industry plants who are usually managed by giant agencies that also oversee dozens of other influencers, podcasters, and the like. Everyone else who becomes some kind of famous viral meme enjoys about 15 minutes of fame and then has to go back to their life, or worse, has their life ruined because now they're just a living joke.
>>150571508>Frank Grimes was rightNo, he was Homer Simp-*BTZ-ZAP*
>>150580937Normies will tell you "life isn't fair" and shit but at the same time believe in a "just world".
>>150581125The truth is that life isn't fair, it's that life is rigged. The solution is to make it work in your favor rather than let yourself be fucked.
>>150571508Grimes is an incel who focused on hating a single idiot in a town of idiots. Don't be Grimes. He died a virgin, and is an eternal joke.If you're a Grimes, you deserve no pity.
>>150581288>He died a virgin
>>150581046Most people kinda forget the start of the episode and focus in on when Homer tries to be a nice guy so they can simply read Frank as an entitled bitter loser who's mad his mediocrity wasn't rewarded with a cushy life rather than someone with a comically bleak backstory who's treated absurdly unfair by most everyone he encounters on the show as well.
>>150581073Being terrible doesn't matter if enough people want to have a beer with you.It doesn't matter if you were a gifted kid. It doesn't matter if you majored in STEM. It doesn't matter if you're a hard worker. Social skills trump everything else.
>>150582457Again you're ignoring most episodes Homer isn't a guy people want to have a beer with, most the time the people he's having beers with are simply doing so because they're in the same miserable dank hole as Homer. You're trying too hard to make a logical moral out of "wouldn't it be funny if this guy just had an absurdly miserable time in our stupid cartoon town"
>>150579590Krabappel clears, easily.
>>150581288>>150581321he happened to like hookers
>>150582692In the Grimmes episode the people who just scuff and find Homers already exaggerated stupidity would rightfully scorn him in ANY other episode for even less then that, because wasn't it implied that everyone is also a mean jaded jerk or a sleazebag? Or at least the first 2 seasons imply as such?
>>150581073You might be thinking on Jerkass Homer that started in the Scully seasons but again he is an idiot who gets shit on when he screws up, other times when he is trying to be nice and actually tried his best he has rotten luck and people just shit on him.
>>150581077Hawk Tuah girl is a strange example. Plenty of people have capitalized on their meme status before her but her entire career literally came down to selling the fantasy that you too could be a meme and make money off it.Compare her to like, Antoine Dodson and he literally just teamed up with Schmoyoho to sell the song on itunes, did some autograph signings, and got his family out of the projects
>>150583246So you're saying that the whole of Springfield gas-lit grimes into insanity to off himself?
>>150583534No Mister Obfuscator, but I know that the writers were into smug mode with their excuses as to why it turned out the way it did
>>150571567Why would I want to be recognised? That'll just make it easier for witnesses to identify me in a lineup.
>>150571534This. Everyone else at the plant loved Homer because even though he was a goofball and a slacker, he was a genuinely nice person who only ever harmed himself. Grimey's sin was envy.
Lenny and Carl know it's weird as shit but just run with it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sT4HZR9Pc4
Should I feel bad if the amount of success I enjoy is not proportional to the amount of work I put in compared to someone else who had to claw for everything in life and having to witness that drives them to accidentally kill themselves while suffering a mental breakdown from all the injustice?
>>150571508The universe hated Grimes and wanted him to suffer
He wasnt right or wrong, his entire existance is a giant joke about the absurdity of the show.
>>150571508>28 years later and this Simpsons episode still causes so much seethe You can't help but laugh
>>150571508He isn’t
>>150588541Elaborate why he isn't, senpai-kun?
>>150571567Why the fuck would I want that? That's the problem these days, too many people care about BIG NUMBERS for everything, instead of "it's enough".
>>150572087Nobody knows how to write trauma. So it get's turned int melodrama and taken to the nth degree because it's entertainment, not psychotherapy. But then you see people getting absolutly buttflustered over episode where someone actually tries to talk about their feelings normally, like it offends "them" personally.In the end I think people are just afraid to actually confront their own feelings, maybe out of some fear of thinking they're "broken" or "crazy", when society just uses those labels for undesirable people. tl;dr: We live in a society bro. (It doesn't help that most countries barely give a shit about mental health in the first place)
