If R&S came out today, would these be considered "meme faces?"Let's be real, people don't really know what they want, but let's pretend R&S came out the same year as SB and went on for just as long
>>150579669no shit sherlock
>>150579669a lot of spongebob faces became memes because people remembered the exact scenes they were from since everybody watched it. ren and stimpy doesn't really have that same thing outside of a handful. the simpsons is the same as spongebob. You could show me a face from just about any scene in the golden years and I could tell you the episode and the context.
>>150579752>the simpsons is the same as spongebob.That's painfully accurate, especially when it comes to certain quotes being remembered years afterwards.
>>150579669No. Meme faces are when characters, like blue reddit cat, make faces that have zero similarity to their actual faces, solely made with the intent of being a le epic twitter/reaction pic face. Like the typical chiseled guy face overdone slop.The faces in your pic are not "meme faces" because they're on model and are not over the top where they look like a different person.
>>150579788Yeah, I can see where you're coming from. Gumball's got the faces, but its posing is stiff as shit when you compare it to the likes of R&S's Yak freakout scene.
>>150579669people accuse spongebob expressions of trying to be the next big meme mostly because nickelodeon has gone all out on the meme marketing, it's sort of like the ripped pants episode in which they're aware of the joke so they try to milk them as much as possible to the point that some people are starting to get tired of them but with the added collateral damage of accusing every face to be a meme
>>150579669No amount of "technically" or disclaimers or internet arguing or appeals brings the audience back. If it doesn't click it doesn't click. That's all.
>>150579892>meme editionOh god, I remember when this really shitty card game called "What do you meme?" got its own SpongeBob edition. If there was one social media site to describe it all, it'd be Reddit.Actually, Reddit is a compliment. It's more like Facebook.
>>150579892i still believe that the mocking bird spongebob meme was astroturfed by nick
>>150579945No shit, it was from a Season fucking 9 episode.
R&S faces came across as natural to me because they fit each gesture perfectly, so it's a pretty seamless experience. There's no drawing that feels jarring or out of place. And I think it's all thanks to John K's autism who spent an absurd amount of time vetting that aspect.
>>150579970>And I think it's all thanks to John K's autism who spent an absurd amount of time vetting that aspect.Absolutley, he wasn't the head of layouts for nothing. You can tell once Games stopped doing layouts in-house and Rough Draft starting blowing up some storyboards.
>>150579892I hate this shit. Nu-turama has started referencing its own memes. Running gags are fine, internet memes are not.
>>150580004>Nu-turamaMore like Neuterama.
>>150579935they made magic the gathering cards of some of the memes.
>>150579935theres these too which was the first time i heard of the meme merch.its funny they made one based on dabbing Squidward because they fired that performer for doing that
>>150580030>mashemsYuck, didn't they also make Ugandan Knuckles figurines?
>>150579788>>150579970In most cases SpongeBobs "meme faces" are just them stretching a character model to its limits like R&S did, the show after all is directed by people who’ve worked on Ren & Stimpy and know their shit, Gumball is ran by people who can barely draw and think that a cartoon expression is "hey look at this funny image I found"However, I do feel like there are occasional moments in season 13-now episodes where you can go "yep, that scene was boarded by a younger artist alright", not saying that all the younger artists on the team suck, some make great stuff, but you can tell that there are some zoomers on the team who treat NuBob faces more like Gumball than Ren & Stimpy, this face for example is just "hahaha look it’s a One Piece reference". Seasons 11-12 had expressive animation but they looked like they were done by professionals with experience.
>>150580119At least it works for gumball because the show was basically made for zoomies who grew up on social media.
>>150579669Everyone unironically thinking that SpongeBob does "meme faces" is just the consequence of a generation being raised on calarts slop.
Yeah but it worked for R&S, it was part of the weird slightly-fucked vibe of the show. Spongebob being turned into R&S is completely unfitting. It doesn't even fit the boring new tone of the show.
>>150580045idk about mashems, but i know thats what youtooz were doing before getting licensing deals. they would do memes but go out of their way to not actually name the source to dodge copyright. so they called it "dead meme" and was their mascot for a whilethe doge one pissed be off to be honest, like come on you are a professional company, you can at least get in contact with kabotsu's owners its not like shes private. the general grift culture that's overtaken doge in general is depressing
>>150580287There's a difference between an expression becoming a meme, and making an expression with the intention of it becoming a meme. You can't really do this in an organic way.
They should just pause mid-episode and have Adam Conover walk out in front of a green screen and explain why the funny face is funny.
>>150580304Doge seems like a no brainer, because it's just a dog. It's not a copyrighted character. I'm confused about how they can merchandise that stupid toilet thing considering the videos use Valve characters.
>>150580270Not at the beginning
Let’s be real guys, it’s literally impossible to have a modern character have a wide range of expressions without some sweaty brown favela autist in his 40s screeching that it’s trying to be a meme
>>150580358i get that doge is functionally public domain, but come on. if you are gonna make money off of the dog's death at least throw some money to the owner or a dog charity.its such a small thing and that's why it bothers me
>>150580323Anon saying that all of NuBobs faces are "made to be memes" is retarded, you seriously think that all these dedicated and experienced animators, most of which have had previous work on other expressively animated shows like Looney Tunes related projects and Paul Rudish Mickey, some of which have careers dating to back to R&S, are trying to make memes with every single damn face they draw? And in what fucking context could most of those faces even be used in memes? If you wanna see real poorly drawn meme faces made to be reaction images look no further than to Gumball.
>>150580398Silly expressions are still a staple in cartoons, but they need to feel natural to the context. I feel like a lot of modern cartoonists don't know how to do this naturally.
>>150580472Are you autistic, because I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that this is what I was suggesting
>>150580287>just the consequence of a generation being raised on calarts slop.Guess I should consider myself lucky, because I discovered R&S via Nick Rewind. Given that Viacom sold off R&S to Comedy Central for a failed reboot, it makes me sad that R&S hardly ever gets reruns anymore.
>>150580558Except NuBobs faces do feel natural to the context, every exaggerated expression is made to fit the scene, they aren’t making random faces every second like brainlet Redditors claim.
>>150580593Looks like I should clarify, because there's NickRewind (TeenNick block), and Nickelodeon Rewind (Comcast On-Demand.) I grew up with the latter, but stopped bothering with it once they removed R&S entirely and replaced it with Rugrats slop.
>>150580648>Except NuBobs faces do feel natural to the contextThis, the most commonly cited example of "overused meme faces" was from a literal flashback meant to depict SpongeBob in an obviously more grotesque light.
>>150580350>Umm actually, this is Hil-arious!
>>150580698I read that in Bubble Bass' voice, and it sounds completely in-character for him.
>>150580671Oh yeah, and I find it painful how many people completely missed the Rat Fink reference. How the fuck do you NOT know who Rat Fink is!?
season 16 more like....2016!
It’s a shame how much retards think that NuSpongeBobs animators are making "meme faces" cause honestly they’re probably some of the most talented people in our modern animation industry, there’s no other cartoon on right now that allows for animation as expressive as modern SpongeBobs, the shows basically now an outlet for cartoonists influenced by Spumco and Golden Age cartoons to showcase their skill. Though tbf I can’t blame normies for hating on it cause of how it feels pretty style-over-substance most of the time.It’s also hard as fuck for these artists to find jobs anywhere else. Animations current job market already sucks enough but I feel like it’s even worse for artists with these styles due to how cheap and bland all other shows look. Modern SB artists like Dylan H. King and Pinkie Davis are currently struggling to find jobs, you also got Jim Soper, a really talented artist with experience in the Looney Tunes style, struggling to find work and quitting the animation industry due to how shit it was. It’s kinda sad desu
Is this supposed to be funny? Am I supposed to be laughing right now? Am I meant to be giggling myself silly at this drawing of Squidward swallowing a gorilla's entire arm?
>>150581000I think there's a silver lining to Nu-Bob in all honesty. If anything, I feel it's the modern equivalent to The New Adventures of Mighty Mouse. Hopefully enough disgruntled SB artists start their own studio and make a cartoon that's just as innovative as R&S was when it first came out.
>>150580938It's more like "Hey, remember that character that used to show up in Pre-Movie SB?" As much as I like Nu-Bob, the nostalgia pandering was blatant in places.
>>150581000im not denying the new animators are talented, but to say they aren't getting talks and notes from higher ups to make faces merchandisable and "reactable" is equally silly
God, remember when "Pre-Movie" SpongeBob referred to Pre-Season 4, and not Pre-"Plankton Sandy Whatever The Fuck: The Movie"?
>>150581043I feel like Spumco stuff just doesn’t get as popular these days, Ren & Stimpy came out at a different time, it was something new and creator driven after an era where all cartoons were a bunch of toy commercials. There have a couple of Spumco-inspired indie cartoons and shorts like Bullet Time, Stavros the Great, Aaron or Kogan, but they just aren’t getting as popular as lore driven stuff. Though who knows, maybe when people get tired of lore shows they’d want to see a throwback to classic cartoons. Or maybe someone should make an indie lore-driven action cartoon in the Spumco style, that’d kick ass.
>>150581360>Or maybe someone should make an indie lore-driven action cartoon in the Spumco styleThat already exists, and it's called Monkey Wrench.It's just too bad people on this board didn't like it for whatever reason.
>>150581360>I feel like Spumco stuff just doesn’t get as popular these daysBecause people want serialized stuff that takes itself seriously. In other words, people want shonen and seinen.
What do we do about the unfunny meme face situation?
>>150582477You don't, let the SB artists cook.
>>150581024I think you're missing the point of this thread. Like I was alluding to, picrel wouldn't be out-of-place In Nu-Bob at all. While it may not be to your tastes, it's important to understand that Nu-Bob is one of the few cartoons left that tries to differentiate itself amongst the rest. (Much like R&S did back in its day.)
Speaking of 10s cartoons that are truly unique, Billy Dilley is the only other one I can think of that isn't in the typical beanface/loreshit mold. It's a shame it only lasted less than a month, because I don't think I've ever seen a DTVA like it since.
>>150585826Sorry to samefag yet again, but 2017 was such a kino year for DXD. You've had all kinds of weird, experimental shit... and it all got canceled. There's no way in hell Disney's ever doing this shit again.
>>150585826We also had Wander Over Yonder and those Mickey Mouse shorts which were pretty cartoony and expressive
>>150586894Oh yeah, those were kino too! Those are animated by my all-time favorite studio, Mercury Filmworks. They absolutely know what the fuck they're doing.
>>150581837Zeurels style is a bit Spumco derived but I feel like the shows style gives off more Helluva Boss or Lackadaisy vibes, like yaknow, how many indie cartoons have a sharp comic/anime inspired artstyle. Brain Dump and Hotdiggedydemons animations in general feel like the closest we have to a Spumco-inspired animator that’s quite popular.
>>150587069Hmm, well there's Owen Fishback/lotusbandicoot. He makes some genuinely cool shit, but is relatively obscure compared to most indie animators.
>>150587164He’s actually worked as a layout artist on that Ren & Stimpy reboot from a few years ago, though there’s a good chance his layouts were toned down given how shit that reboots animation was.
>>150587573That's what made me hyped for the reboot in the first place, but there was nothing that could've been done to salvage it. Booting Bob Camp off the team was its death sentence.
>>150579669Is this show worth watching? I need a new show and it's between this and dexters lab
>>150587853Abso-fuckin'-lutely! Without R&S, there would be no Rocko, which would also mean no SpongeBob. It's also got some of the best animation in any cartoon, period.
>>150587573SpongeBob season 14a also had a weird phase where expressions were toned down from layouts
>>150587853Yes
