Do you think a cartoon or comic about a girl who used to go on fun childhood adventures but is now going through a midlife crisis as she thinks they were just passing childhood fantasies and nothing more could work?
Already bern done but not with a woMan protag.
>>150594874Yeah definitely, you can get a lot of mileage out of that idea. Probably already been done
>>150594874Hooked, Christopher Robin, I’m pretty sure IF
>>150594874Jeez, someone is having regrets about her adult life.Hahahah.
>>150594874Do you want to talk about it?
>>150594874Genderbent Miracleman
>>150597133Mmmm… not technically because he didn’t know about Kimota in any context or even imaginary
>>150594874Were the adventures real or were they just part of her imagination?
That’s sort of what Venture Bros is about OP
Isn’t that the plot of the Netflix little prince movie
What's the context of this image?
>>150594874So the Evangelion x Bojack that /co/ came up with in one of those threads?
>>150594874I think it'd perfectly hit on my enjoyment of girlfailure characters. Characters plagued by thoughts of better times, or better yet, a cycle of toxic nostalgia they struggle to overcome.
>>150598050>Evangelion x Bojackwho's worse? Shinji or Bojack?
>>150597392If I were to guess, Hedgehog from Summer Camp Island is haunted by the nostalgia she feels for her childhood friendships/romance and either she's alone and wistfully reminiscing on it or she's on a date and even adult romance doesn't bring her the same level of joy she had back then.
>>150598473Has Bojack's bullshit destroyed humanity?
>>150594874I'm already imagining a show about a washed up magical girl, who used to fight aliens with her Sentai team. But something happened and she hung up her wand years ago. Now she's spinning her wheels in life at an entry level job or getting money from gig economy jobs, too socially damaged to go on dates, slightly overweight and due to a recent event feeling nostalgic for the days when she used to fight for the freedom of earth.So something actually happens perhaps she witnesses an alien attack and fights it off, meeting either a protege or a love interest. Maybe both if we want some loli yuri action. Or maybe a soldier who's supposed to fight the aliens or a government agent if we want a man to be the protege love interest. who is grateful for being saved and in turn realizes who they just met and tries to get the former magical girl back on her feet, fighting aliens, which is really the only thing that ever gave her life meaning.Maybe a sub-plot about her trying to reconnect with her fellow retired magical girls who are all dealing with the fallout from whatever made them quit in different ways. Traumatic event could be something like, ( Death of one of their Sentai team/friend who was helping them with their magical girl activities, horrible injury that put the main character in the hospital for years, child protective services removing them all from their parents when the government discovered their superhero shenanigans a major defeat that made the reality of their magical girl activities sink in, getting defeated and raped by the aliens. Or maybe a combination of these things, possibly some happening to a or some of the girls and not others.)
>>150598774>a washed up magical girlI remember Benji Nate did a comic in Silver Sprocket about this, though it was more about one who's way past retirement. One difference though is she's not particularly nostalgic about her experience but more sober on it. Her life still sucks in the present though.
>>150599146>Magical Girl-industrial complexDa fuq kind of setting do they live in?
>>150599170not a very good one, I imagine
That's all I got. I don't know if she ever made more of this comic, I wasn't able to find other chapters. I only know of it since I bought a Silver Sprocket book some months ago and it was the first comic in there. I like the premise though.
>>150599220still thanks mate
>>150598993>>150599220>cool cool depressing coolYou can really tell a woman wrote this from the moment she complains about men being around and showing interest in her.Overall though kinda interesting I'd love to see where this goes. It's unfortunate if this really is all that was made.
>>150599248no prob, glad you enjoyed it!>>150599359>You can really tell a woman wrote this from the moment she complains about men being around and showing interest in her.It is Benji Nate, so it's to be expected. Girl Juice is pretty similar, though I do actually like that comic.>Overall though kinda interesting I'd love to see where this goes. It's unfortunate if this really is all that was made.I hope I'm just not finding it and future chapters exist. I did some searching and it seems like she gave more effort to other ideas at the time (Hell Phone, Girl Juice, Cat Boy). Still, I hope she'll revisit it if that's the case.
>>150598576if he were in the same position, he probably would
>>150599359>You can really tell a woman wrote this from the moment she complains about men being around and showing interest in her.All three examples are pretty on point for the genre. The only one left out was guys trying to groom and manipulate her. Or cute animal mascots.
>>150594945Unironically I remembered hook while writing OP but decided to post it anyway cause I liked the image.
>>150594945Fpbp
>>150598993How on earth did this come out in 2021? Like this take this kinda take really doesn't work with a genre your doing it with is specifically on offshoot/counterpart to a male targeted genre where the guys suffer just as much if not more than the female counterparts.
>>150594874I have female lead fatigue how about some MEN for once
>>150597168It's better if they were real though she just presumes she had an over active imagination. Could be neat if she ended up back in the magical world, deaged, and has to pretend like nothing has changed to not freak out her old friends.
>>150602312As a fan of Magical Girls and the various works of Ishinomori (who I will admit, put his characters through the wringer, especially the original KRs goddamn), I'm struggling to think of a Kamen Rider that was killed by getting hit by a Truck, such as Minky Momo.Or one who was groomed and then statutorily raped by his headmaster, such as Utena.Or was witness to an Air Raid by his Evil Organization against the School, and subsequently witnessed his best friend get burnt alive, such as Cutey Honey.
>>150594874I remember you from that thread forever ago making this exact pitch back then. Small world.
>>150602478Kamen Rider Black was kidnapped and forcefully turned into a bug creater, saw his dad die right in front of himPretty sure the guy from Garo had a fucked life too
>>150602478Utena isn't a magical girl series.
>>150594874given theres tons of stories all about childhood disillusionment and a abundant audience willing to read it, probably. >>150598774>a show about a washed up magical girlIs there really no other story western "fans" can tell with magical girls? Its always just a negative sailor moon ripoff
>>150602795Before I go to sleep: yes it is, you crackhead.
>>150594874only if there are moments of elements from those childhood adventures leaking through into her midlife crisis, proposing two ideas to the viewer, one being that; trying to cling to your childhood adventures can lead to misery in your adulthood, or, juxtaposed; allowing the joy you felt from your childhood to influence your perspective in adulthood can help you overcome its difficulties as well as help the next generation have their own adventures unburdened by the cruelty that awaits themtl;dr main character finds joy and helps some token still naive kid character go on their very own childhood adventures
>>150599170Sounds like something similar to Sleepless Domain.
>>150597133>Genderbent MiraclemanExcuse me, what?>>150597158Huh???
Could be neat.
>>150602996It's annoying that every magical girl series made by Americans is by default "what if magical girls were washed up" or "what if magical girls were le bad". Every other western country can make normal magical girl stuff but for some reason USbrain is to weak. For god sake Russia has more Magical girl series.
>>150603075In what meaningful way?
>>150594945I don't see the appeal, really.
>>150594874>>150603162OK, hear me out.Retired magical girl who's living a normal life now and thinks it was all in her imagination. The magical world sends one of her old friends to get her since the magical world is in deep trouble after being without her help for a few decades. She gets dragged into adventure again, remembers how much fun it was(as well as enjoying being back in a kid's body again), then goes back to the real world only to find she missed some important events at home while she was out having an adventure. Now she's being pulled in two directions, trying to protect and save her old childhood friends from evil, and trying to live her adult life maintaining her job and current relationships. But every time she chooses, the one she doesn't choose suffers.When she chooses to stay at home so she can be there for her mother's birthday, she comes back to the magical world to find the forces of evil managed to burn an entire village to the ground in her absence. When she chooses to help her old friends stop some world-threatening scheme, she comes back home to the real world to find her father got rushed to the hospital, and her entire family is wondering why she wasn't answering her phone. Trying to straddle both lives doesn't go well, her family and friends in the real world think she has stopped caring about them and no longer wants anything to do with them, and her old friends in the magical world think she no longer cares about them and isn't willing to continue helping them fight against evil.Eventually she ends up having to decide which life matters more to her, and say goodbye to the other life. Neither side is a really happy ending. She can either give up on all her childhood friends and let them suffer whatever fate may come, or abandon her family. In the end, she decides to break the veil and tells her childhood friends about her current family, and her family about the magical world she goes to(with proof of course).
Wasn't there a indie pilot with many of these themes but the characters were cute black girls?
would work as a webcomic maybe
>>150598576No but frankly Bojack probably wouldn't reject instrumentality in the end like Shinji did. In fact he'd probably fuck up wayyyyyyy sooner than Shinji and initiate Third Impact by like episode 3.
Young girl becomes a magical girl however she's all alone except for her magical assistant who isn't very helpful in learning her abilities. The new magical girl figures out a nearby woman used to be a former magical girl and seeks her help. When you turn 18 you stop being a magical girl and you get a slight mindwipe where you think of all the fighting and adventures as your imagination or "silly kid stuff." The new magical girl telling the former one directly helps unlock her memories so she becomes a coach for her. Aside from fighting evil they'll also have to help form a new magical girl team. The reason the new magical girl is all alone is because the standards for recruitment are so high that no girls else in the modern day qualify (everyone's a jerk). So the two of them have to teach local girls how to be upstanding citizens until they can be good enough to become magical girls.One antagonist could be a villain/villainess who was completely mindwiped by the former magical girl but when her memories came back so did the villain's.
>>150602996>>150605026Alan Moore really kinda fucked up. Im pretty sure even he knows he did. All Muricans can think with this stuff was like "uh what if x was actually gritty and realistic and dark and everyone actually sucked".
>>150605138If she has no kids of her own - or her kids are already grown up and can fend on their own, then magical world.BUT if her kids are still growing up, then she better be a good mother and be with her kids in the real world - or take her kids.
>>150605562She's trying to have kids, and if she goes to the magical world where she's always a kid then she never will be able to have her own. That's why she breaks the veil. Her childhood friends understand she has a schedule she has to work around in the other world, and that they may need to hold the line until she can come to their rescue. And her real world family and relationships understand she will regularly need to disappear for a little while to save another world, and that she will be back as soon as she can.
Girl failures are cute.
>>150605551Alan Moore truly killed western culture.
>>150594874I am reminded of the current comic that Shane Frost is doing called "Right as Rain".
>>150602391I have human fatigue. How about more robots and magical armors?
>>150594874Yeah but it would probably be another bojack horseman, which lord knows we don't need another one of that shit.>>150599186Actually kinda good
>>150605551I really do hate the notion that gritty = realistic. Your Superhero comic isn't anymore accurate to real life just because people have guns, thousands of people die and everyone swears. Just because your magic system is cruel and unusual doesn't mean it's any more realistic than that something from children's book, because magic isn't real. No amount of "tone" or "mood" makes something fundamentally not realistic more realistic because joy is no less real that suffering.
>>150599186So does this comic go anywhere?
>>150603955Alan Moore story about a Silver Age superhero who got amnesia and thinks all his hero shenanigans were just dreams. Then when he gets his memories back it turns out being a superhero in a modern realistic world is miserable and bleaker than he remembers
>>150606404Too bad people think we don’t exist
>>150594874
>>150594945Steven Spielberg's worst. Nothing against Robin Williams but Michael Jackson would have been a better Peter Pan.
>>150605493>Bojack probably wouldn't reject instrumentality in the end like Shinji did.BoJack has too much ego, the Instrumentality couldn't absorb it.I imagine Orange Juice avoiding BoJack like the plague, as if he had a force field.
>>150602478The tiger Rider in Ryuki literally dies getting hit by a car saving a kid's life.Kamen Rider Rogue is implied to have been prison raped in a prequel extra episode before being freed by Evolt.Kuuga kills a Gurongi in a famous blind rage because he killed more than 90 male high school students to complete his game. Technically killed 89 directly but some killed themselves to avoid dying like the others.>>150602764Yeah Kouga saw his dad killed in front of him trying to save him. After he got caught by the villain his dad was fighting
>>150594874Tell me Elephant guy ends up a chad that moved away and came back hotter
Forcibly retired super sentai girl who was captured by the evil organization and experimented on - her entire body was remodeled to be the height of super sexuality and she cums from the barest touch on her skin
>>150602996>>150605026My theory is that the reason Americans always do "what if magical girls got BURNT OUT and DEPRESSED" is because these western works are actually made by people who liked magical girl anime (usually Sailor Moon) growing up, but have since been infected with feminist brainworms, so they feel compelled to subvert the genre. Because actual Magical Girls are some of the most outrageously traditionally feminine protagonists out there, even as they kick butt and endure pain through virtue as much as the best chivalric heroes of old. This is incompatible with the feminist idea of the traditional woman, which is, essentially, a slave to be replaced at the time of her male masters' choosing. To embrace femininity is to forge your own manacles.So these subverted western writers depict magical girls as burnt out, traumatized, and discarded. In their poisoned minds it's simply the logical end result of these characters having bought into the "lie" of traditional femininity. I can only pity them.
>>150594874Why does she miss him
>>150608991I think it's a one-off
>>150614244A complete lack of sincerity & irony poisoning so you never actually just embrace a genre wholeheartedly is why media is the way it is in general.
>>150614312Because she's alone and those were better days.
>>150611295Woah...
>>150614312Have you ever not reminisced of you and your childhood friends?
>>150594874artist source?
>>150598774This sounds like every generic western attempt at "magical girl hates her life"( of course without the loli/sexualized stuff since that's too much)
>>150598993>>150599186Eh this was ok I guess but it still annoys me that so many westerners make these kind of stories without having actually watched/read a lot of mahou sjojo stories. There are examples of interesting magical girls stories in every decade starting from the 60s yet this fags only watched maybe 1 or 2. It's so annoying to think you can dissect a genre that you barely even know especially when your ideas have already been explored years ago.
Just read Magical Girl Spec-Ops Asuka. It comes at the idea from the other angle: the Magical Girls are proxy warriors for Cold War-esque factions from the magical fairies universe, and the MC is a retired Magical Girl called back into service for One More Mission.So, instead of a Mid Life Crisis Former Child Actor plot, it's the Retired Cynical Action Hero plot.
>>150594874I fucking hate cynicism, I hate how every fantasy show has to have some millennial whiny bullshit, "UHH I HAD TO WORK AT STARBUCKS AND I WANTED TO BE AN AETIST OR WHATEVER THE FUCK, OH LOOK SEE THIS FANTASY WORLD, BOOM! ITS ACTAULLY ACTUALLY ALL CYNICAL!" Reminds me of that 'I don't want to be magical girl' dogshit you motherfuckers eat up becaue it's just some nihilistic bullshit, every magical girl show is a subversion now to the point I'm convinced that half the people that write these shoes are either fetishist pedo fucks that get their dick hard at a bib or nihilistic millennial venting about their shit at life and putting this dogshit out in the public. Just a bunch of doomer stuff, fuck you!
>>150618962This. Anime and manga have already done this “not like the other girls” magical series already and probably better than the west could ever do them so Idk why so many writers and artists think they came up with a new concept.
Bump
>>150602478>I'm struggling to think of a Kamen Rider that was killed by getting hit by a Truck, such as Minky Momo.Literally Tiger from Ryuki>Or one who was groomed and then statutorily raped by his headmaster, such as Utena.None that fits this exact description comes to mind but it would not surprise me if there was one. Probably written by Inoue at that.>Or was witness to an Air Raid by his Evil Organization against the School, and subsequently witnessed his best friend get burnt alive, such as Cutey Honey.Faiz and Kaixa both were present for the Ryusei school massacre (with bonus points for Takumi assuming he did it while losing control of his orphenoch instincts and having massive guilt over it).
>>150602764>Pretty sure the guy from Garo had a fucked life tooTo be fair, Garo is like an actual show for adults and airs in the appropriate timeslot. So it's not weird when there's some fucked up shit in there.It's weirder when you have stuff like a kids merch show where the seconday hero avenges the death of his robot rival/friend by killing his evil father who put his mind in a belt with the robot's weapon. Also the weapon and belt are plastic toys.It's that surreal mix of serious, dramatic storytelling and ridiculous kid aesthetics that makes these sorts of things.
>>150611333>Steven Spielberg's worst.And it's still not a bad movie.
>>150619825>It's that surreal mix of serious, dramatic storytelling and ridiculous kid aesthetics that makes these sorts of things.That's toku in general. You have:>stuntmen doing stunts almost blind>suits that are falling apart from wear and tear>incredibly crappy CGI >mostly amateurish acting>writing of dubious quality>blatant merchandise placementAnd yet everything comes together cause everyone takes it at face value and sincerely.
>>150611333There were script problems too and the sets looked too much like sets.
>>150594874Didn't mashed do that with dora
>>150594874I think so. Have it set now during the present. But her childhood adventures tools took during the 1994-2000 era.
>>150594874there are a lot of people who enjoy wallowing in self pity so a show like this could go off hard in the 25-40 age demographic as long as it has too much swearing and is unfunny as fuck
>>150619940You'd think they'd use that money to make at least new armor parts or just use the stage show suits. Yet even in big movie crossovers they just use the obviously falling apart suits or leave in mistakes like Kiva's collar being missing during a bike scene.
>>150594874it would work if her adventures were something out of a final fantasy x chrono cross type of shit, it'll make her go full villain in this world...wanting to go back but no longer able to and desiring to once more go speak with her beloved friends.
>>150594874>>150620542>>150621192imagine getting isekai and the world begins to collapse due to your absense in reality leaving a sort of void that slowly consumes the world into non-existence.we never see the other side of isekai, someone suddenly leaves and instead of the world just going forwards it instead is unable to move, their insignificant life happen to be fundamental in existence and them fucking off into another reality brings the world into unbalance and chaos as the impossible happened thus making life important.
>>150594874Why do you make it sad?
>>150622014Personally If I were to write it I'd have the fantasy world actually be better than the real world and have the female actual decide to stay in it. I find intentionally bad morals funny, "escapism = based" would be a good swerve.
>>150622592Its only escapism if you are having a bunch of bad shit happen in a small amount of timeIf you have a bad life its better to uproot and find a new placeIts worked for billions of people throughout time
>>150597018IF is this sort of concept except she is still a child, well like 15/16. And she didn't lose the magic because of natural aging adults are boring but because her mom died
>>150622651I mean I guess that could be an interesting counter moral.
>>150623366There is always a limit to a bad situation and although you should do everything in your power to fix it or bide your time for better days there is a point where the best option is simply to leave and I think this is a good lesson for people to learn especially those in abusive relationships or in places where they risk death daily
>>150594874She's butthurt because he married
>>150614244No, you absolute fucking retard. It's just that when you do the same thing a bunch the natural next approach is that same thing but different, like more realistic or sad instead of happy, or unenthusiastic instead of genki. Japan is also full of magical girl shows that are either gritty and grimdark or have the girl depressed and disillusioned.Jesus, talking about trying to force rent free shit into a situation.
>>150624751Nta but I disagree. >It's just that when you do the same thing a bunch the natural next approach is that same thing but different,Except that america hasn't made that many normal magical girl shows to begin with, especially some with the writing/directing on par with the best of mahou shojo anime. >Japan is also full of magical girl shows that are either gritty and grimdark or have the girl depressed and disillusioned.Exactly . Those people that try to make a "realistic" magical girl don't realize that the genre has always had magical girls that dealt with gritty and grimdark scenarios for decades and as much as they advertise their takes as "revolutionary" they don't really bring anything new and the writing of their projects is most of the time even worse than what you could find in a normal magical girl anime/manga. I don't agree with that anon either, it's not about feminism but rather about inexperience
>>150624751Even the most popular works like Sailor Moon had them fucking die full of regrets and sadness like a regular shonen anime would, that shit wasn't always happyThe truth is that the "Magical girl, but girlfailure!" crowd just never saw those shows at all
>>150618881>There are examples of interesting magical girls stories in every decade starting from the 60sgot examples?
>>150594874> Do you think a cartoon or comic about a girl who used to go on fun childhood adventures but is now going through a midlife crisis as she thinks they were just passing childhood fantasies and nothing more could work?Not really. A comic maybe. But not a cartoon. I want to see adventures happening NOW. I don't like flashback episodes and I especially don't like spoof episodes. If the entire series were about a woman telling stories that she did in the past, then I'd quickly get bored of it.Pic related. Harmony Flute. I don't want to watch episodes about Harmony reminiscing on her life with bears and her past married to Marvin Flute. I want to see episodes right now of her journalism career, raising Stan as a single mother, and dealing with Marvin.
>>150594874>Do you think a cartoon or comic about a girl who used to go on fun childhood adventures but is now going through a midlife crisis as she thinks they were just passing childhood fantasies and nothing more could work?Oh, wow, so relatable!No.I would like a "Big Boss" type character type of character to round up all the stray magical girls and unite to solve the problems of the young instead of wallowing in depression (but sometimes do touch on depression, have the magical girl version of the "Why are we still here? Just to suffer?" speech)
>>150594874I hate fairyland?
>>150598993“……or trying to kill us.”Wow, it’s almost as if being a hero means fighting villains. What the fuck do they think is gonna happen? “You’re a pretty girl, so I just give up.”
>>150599220I think The Boys was gonna explore Japanese superheroes. I don’t think they ever did. Would be interesting to see the take on Jojo, Dragon Ball, Sailor Moon, and Naruto.
>>150626627No it wouldn't. More cynical mean spirited garbage making fun of magic & alien heroes would suck.
>>150626662I enjoyed The Boys because I didn’t take it too seriously. I can understand how people would get pissed off if the Sailor Moon stand in was a coke head.
>>150605249I would like to read more webcomics about increasingly depressed women, especially ones who feel like the joy in their lives can't seem to match the ones from their memories.
>>150626627>Would be interesting to see the take on Jojo, Dragon Ball, Sailor Moon, and Naruto.No it wont, it would be all the /dbs/ schizo posting again but without any of the irony
>>150618881I blame Madoka Magica becoming popular
>>150625562....i have nothing....
>>150594874If I was transported to a magical isekai realm where I had superpowers and got to be a cool hero I would just like, stay there, not go back to earth and do plumber or school shit again lol
>>150627501I would use my powers to rape
What's Lum doing at 40?
>>150594874Bump
>>150594874how would Hedgehog get to this point anyway?
>>150626520That one is more of a littlr girl that had a bad first impression of a fantasy land going on a downwards spiral for ~30 years before returning home and hating the real world so much she does desire returning from time to time.
>>150594874She needs a human male to set her straight.
>>150626579you're missing the key note of the text.It's not that someone is trying to kill her but that the people trying to kill her are men.
>>150594874This image make me sad. Do you all feel sad too?
>>150594874>Do you think a cartoon or comic about>going through a midlife crisis>could work?No. Nobody wants to watch that except for childless middle-age women.
>>150602996Watch an anime if you want to watch a sincere magical girl story there are literally thousands of them. God forbid a couple in America doesn't want to do what's already been done and put their spin on it.
>>150633459Trying to reinvent the wheel just for the sake of it hardly ever works.
>>150633459Read >>150625054
>>150625562Examples of good magical girl series? Sure: Cosmic Baton Girl, Minky Momo, Princess Tutu, Rayearth(yeah it counts), CardCaptor Sakura, Ojamajo Doremi, Corrector Yui, Yume no crayo, Saint Tail, Nanoha+Nanoha A, probably some kind of of Precure but I haven't watched enough of them to know which one is the best but I really enjoyed Smile Precure.
