The new Batgirl ongoing series starring Cassandra Cain is an overlooked comic book (You) should be supporting.
>>150598197Will she lez out with her mom or not?
>>150598197She's so round
>>150598197I wanted to like it but it's really really drawn out and not enough action. The writer also seems to want to do a Shiva book.
>>150598834Same. I dropped it after the sixth issue and gave my floppies to a friend who I know likes the character but hasn't kept up with anything recent. Nothing against the people who like it, but if I had one of those magical hypothetical scenario buttons that would cause this book to end early and extend the length of any other All-In book I would smash it without hesitation. Even if that book Was Atom Project. Not Secret Six, but still.
>>150598197I just couldn't give less of a shit about the martial arts part of DC that they're highlighting.
>>150598966I feel like if every arc was two issues shorter it might have been solid.
New cass thread? Dam.>>150598197I am buying it, but i am not intrested in DC martial arts stuff whatsoever, and that's the sole focus of this book. Nothing else about cass (which is terribly more interesting), gets any focus, just using her as a way to visit those concepts.
>>150599061I genuinely enjoy your recurring gag that Kon is completely unable to tell who Cass is if she's wearing anything other than the Batgirl mask.
>>150598197Kino book
The new Batgirl is about a no draw SHIT character (gookgirl) with no rogues gallery, no good runs, no supporting cast, and NO SALES. It's an embarrassing flop and I can't even call you a DC shill because nobody at DC actually gives a fuck about this pity book for a vocal minority of retards.
>>150599061Martial arts shit is the only mildly (un)interesting trait this kung fu asian stereotype has.
It's been like 13 issues of Shiva backstory shit and some dorkass low tier League of assassins type organization. I don't care anymore. Hot take but Batgirls found it's footing better. 9 issue sin they realized the direction wasn't working and at least tried to correct.
>>150599731He's from metropolis pls understand.>>150600637Dont agree at all. Her self hatred, seeing herself as a monster, while fundamentally being emphatethic are the actual core of the character. Her being a good figther wasnt even used for this sorta stuff sans a total of 4 issues of her original 28 issue run and that's the shiva thing, which was used to deal mostly with cass's self harm personified. I wouldnt even say its the 5th most interesting thing about cass.
>>150600762This book has a better cass characterization, but batgirls did a lot more stuff, rather than just the same thing constantly.The thing is that this book seems to have an audience that's more consitent than batgirls, so i doubt this run will change directions. But we'll see.
>>150600618Thanks for bumping.
>>150600968Counterpoint. Cass kicking ass is fun
>>150598834Plenty of action to me. Every issue has a fight
>>150598801Her mom's dead
>>150598812Who?
>>150601001In short bursts, but this isnt that, this is about using cass as a vehcile for a 70s dc kung fu reunion book, and im sorry, but i am not interested in that
New WIP
>>150601064Jesus.
>>150601041What would you like to see then?
>>150601078Ignoring the big me thing, honestly id like to see smaller bittersweet stories. Having cass grapple with humanity both as its best and worst, her body reading giving her na insight but also showing that it can lead to her making wrong judgements too.More moral exploration, preferably in gotham, since that city lends to it. Smaller moments with bruce and babs i feel are needed too. Give some kind of reunion between her and clayface, or another of gotham's monsters. Hugo strange and zsasz would make excellent foils too.
>>150601120Cuties
>>150601147Titties
Non-comm casskon.
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>>150601165
>>150601173
>>150598197I didn't expect Cass to win Ms. /co/, but she at least beat Clover from Totally Spies, too bad she lost Harley in the second round.
>>150601179
>>150601183>comic character winningHas anyone other than spiderman won?
>>150601183Got some others, but i feel its enough for now
>>150599061Nice tits
>>150601147>Cass bigger than steph Lies. Deception.
>>150598197Is there hot lesbian sex in it?
>>150601323Not yet.
>>150598801She should.
>>150601113I like this. But I still like the book.
>>150598197Fuck off tate this shit has been horrible.
>>150601476Nah its based
>>150601193Well, Raven ended up winning this year, but like Spidey, you can probably thank the adaptations for that.Raven in particular has one very popular adaptation that's very popular in this board.
>>150601627Was it comic raven or TT03 raven?
>>150601627It's cartoon raven
>>150598197I kinda lost interest when it turned into the Lady Shiva show.
>>150601627Cute gif
>>150598197GODDAMN
Here's some slop to pollute your thread.
>>150601649Well, an image of comics Raven was used to represent her, but in Ms. /co/, all versions of a character are counted together, so a victory for Raven was a victory for all Ravens, from the cartoon, comics, Titans, DCAMU, etc.But naturally, cartoon Raven is the most popular version of the character, so that's definitely the main reason she won.
>>150601769I'm honestly surprised she won despite the image representing her was the comics version.
>>150601748>frontal zipper on Steph's costumeIt knows.
>>150601769Hm, i see. I did vote cass but didnt keep track too hard.
>>150598197Maybe if the artwork wasn't dogshit, it'd be worth giving a pity read.
>>150600762>Hot take but Batgirls found it's footing betterLet's not be crazy here, Batgirls was absolutely unreadable trash that only started to aspire to mediocrity around issue 14. The worst of the current run has been better than the entire first year of Cloonan's Batgirls.
>>150602099I think its an interesting comparason. Batgirls had way worse characterization, and a worse fitting tone (well it was trying to fit batgirl, as the ligther one), but it did try a lot more stuff by this same time.
>>150601014>Every issue has a fightEvery issue has a "suggestion" of a fight. Few of them have had actual fights of the sort where somebody wins, somebody loses, and winning or losing matters.To me, things like >>150598834 are not fights. They're just suggestions of a fight. They look like fights but nothing changes one way or another after them.
>>150601941??The art is fine. This looks better than majority of DC comics, from a purely visual standpoint.
>Image dump bot>No storytime because the stories all suckGookgirl faggots are so pathetic!
>>150602216Not a bot, but okay (ive spent so much money on comms, life would be so much easier if i was a bot). There's plenty of story discussion.>>150602158Yeah definitely a highlight.
>>150602216Yet you scour the catalog and are always here. Thank you for bumping.
>>150598834I wonder if he wasnt allowed to?
>>150602144That still is a fight.
>>150601476Nah, it's not horrible. But it's mistimed and misguided.Starting the run with six straight issues of Cass acting as Shiva's lackey was a REALLY bad choice. And she's kind of still acting as her lackey even though she's dead. They weren't on good terms, even as much as with David, so it's weird to see Shiva's death used as her main motivator.I do like some of the things Brombal's been doing. He seems to be really careful to not contradict any of Cass's original canon, while also dancing around unpopular parts of it like Cass's evil era (Nyssa says "we have a colourful past" instead of "you fucking killed me" for example). After years of writers who seem to have literally never read any of her comics, it's a breath of fresh air to have one who has.I want to see the ending of the current arc cause I think there has to be some sort of payoff at the end of it. But I wish the run had started with something else entirely and this storyline had come much later.
>>150598801No
>>150598801Yes
>>150602216>no storytimeIt's not out yet you insufferable retard.
>>150602246I think the overall angle is kinda misguided, its not inherently bad, but its zeroing on the least intrsting angle of cass. I wouldnt say lackey, just overall extension, which is a bit worse?He does good cass characterization, but the overall angle is kinda bad? Also nyssa does mention the killing thing pretty explcitly. Also i wouldnt say "years of writers who never read her comics", outsiders had some specific stuff, as did tec they were just, in a new continuity and all. Its really JUST batgirls, and even then. Tho i think here it comes with the territory that bomball clearly is a bigger fan of shiva/dragon/tiger than cass.Its not an arc, its the run. Cause this is gonna continue for the whole run, since thats the top down focus.
>>150602262Asking him to think is too much. Just ignore him.
>>150598801Perhaps.
>>150602246Such a pretty cass
>>150602294The black lipstick is a neat touch.
>>150602246I do like it still won't lie. It's fun.
>>150602246What would you prefer?
>>150602277Seems harsh.
>>150598197No, thanks.Cassandra Cain is a really fucking boring character.
>>150602319This may seem superficial, but the first story - first several stories - should have been entirely about re-establishing, to a new audience, that she's tough and cool and functions as a superhero. It's been nearly two decades since she was a serious player at DC. Most readers only know her as that random chick who sometimes appears in the background of one panel of Batman sometimes. She needed to be built up from nothing. And that buildup needs to happen through actions, not words. Side characters verbally glazing her doesn't help if she doesn't have the aura of a main character.>yeah but what should the story be ABOUTThat part doesn't even really matter. It's meant to be an introduction. Some bad thing is happening somewhere, Batgirl solves it by absolutely tearing the shit out of everyone and everything involved so violently that there's no question who's the boss of this gym. Add some random cute character moment, a shower scene, and that's a wrap. Repeat a few times until people have recalibrated their expectations. THEN you can start your underdog arc. Preferably rewritten such that Cassandra appears to have a mind of her own instead of merely following orders.
>>150601183>beat Clover, a popular character and former E8>lost to Harley, who then lost to a finalist>still got to be in the mapHonestly not that bad of a showing if you ask me, she would've done better if she went against less popular characters, it's a popularity contest after all, and Cass is simply a bit too niche for this.
>>150601748I hate that I don’t hate it.
>>150598801She absolutely should.
>>150598197OP here, this is my most successful thread ever in terms of sheer number of replies. I usually post on /tv/ and /pol/ but still, I'll take the win. Regarding the book, I was surprised to see so many of you hating it. It reads like a 1970s era kung-fu b-movie and who does not like that? The art is more than solid and Shiva is one of the coolest OG characters ever. Even the new dumb villains are kind of funny in their own way. Between the edgelord cringe that is Absolute Batman and the utter mess of continuity in the main titles I would have thought this book would be a breath of fresh air for you ever-bitching shitlords. Oh well, hopefully someone from DC notices the traction this thread got and does not bother reading through the replies. In the meantime I will be picking up the trade since I don't think it will ever get a reprint. They didn't even give us a hardcover option with the first volume, those petty bastards>tl;dr read Batgirl, it gud
>>150598197I still do not get the point of this character outside of the editorial mandate that demanded a new batgirl.
>>150603394But I'm happy complaining.
>>150602417Ok
I like her book too, OP.
>>150598801No. They should be stripped nude in suggestive positions though.
>>150603394>Surely DC notices my thread with 4 IPs and decides gookgirl isn't a no-draw shit character!KWAB
>>150604264In bondage?
>>150604455Why, of course.
>>150604264Cass's costume should get ripped more often
>>150598197>Shiva got blacked>Shiva and Bronze Tiger have a secret son.These are good things, but not enough to make me want to read a Cass Cain comic.
>>150604748Absolutely
>>150604394Thanks for adding another IP.
>>150602609based on some level.
>>150604817Why do you think so?
>>150604888It affirms my fetish, but Cass is still ass.
Lets see people's thoughts with a poll, rather curious.https://strawpoll.com/XmZRQRd5Lgd>>150602332Nothing against bomball, but its a fundamental angle i dont love.>>150603394Cass is a popular character and all. I wouldnt say i hate it, its just..not what i come to a cass book. And martial arts centric stuff just doesnt intrest me, shiva particularly. Its not a bad book, but its a focus that i fundamentally cant agree with.If its a consolation, with a few exceptions, most people seem to like this book.
>>150605045Voted. I love it.
>>150605045So you want the "best martial artist" stuff for power-rankings, but don't want to actually deal with martial arts stories?Why bother, then?
>>150604934So you're a shivafag?
>>150598197>4.99 + Taxis this DC ALL IN a new paper format more bigger or something, why is that expensive?
>>150605045I think the martial arts angle is interesting to explore because it hasn't been done before. Cass has always been this top tier martial artist but has no connection to the wider martial arts world outside Shiva.
>>150605171Variant covers are always more expensive. Standard price is $3.99 which is still too much for what you get, but what can you do at this point.
>>150605111I wouldnt say power ranking wise? Its like hulk being "the strongest there is". Its a defintive aspect of his character, but its the least intresting thing compared to his dynamics internally, the persecution thing, or the exploration of abuse. If your story is just hulk beats people, or someone beats hulk up before he shows he's stronger-er, idk its just a bit boring to me. Its a valid angle, and you can make it work, but its not super interesting, becuase this trait is more important for other stuff than an active narrative engine.>>150605181Hey fair enough, i see the arugment. And idk, to me that's always been a positive, it kept cass doing stuff that actually related to her own character's main conflicts. The current thing is just about using her as a proxy for shiva, everything relating back to shiva, more than herself, downt o the 70s martial art stuff, that means less than nothing to cass but cause shiva was involved its gotta be the central plot of cass's book.
>>150605264Well, it's using Shiva as Cass's connection to that world.
>>150605284Yeah but that's all that relates to cass, its all shiva-shiva-shiva, there's even two issues that are just about shiva. Everything cass feels or thinks is related to shiva. And, it just rings insincere ngl. Cause cass didnt meet shiva untill she was 17 (after bruce and babs), and her relationship with her is just fundamentally not maternal enough to carry this.
>>150605320They're not pretending Shiva and Cass have this close relationship. It's better than the Batgirls book in this.
>>150604864
>>150605893Nice
>>150605893>>150604748
>>150606451K
>>150606451how did you get this picture of me
>>150603434No character has a "point". It's all about whether it's fun or not.
>bring back Nyssa>do nothing with herI kinda tapped out after that, I've been waiting for more Nyssa since the first series
>>150607045Good news, she's showing up again in an issue or two.
I wish they remembered that she can be kind of a smug bully beneath all her steely morality, and not a doe-eyed waif.
>>150607535She's pretty angry in the current book
>>150605045Like it
>>150607045I think Brombal has planned like a 24 issue run or something, and is setting up things in issue 5 that pay off in 20.So far absolutely nothing has been resolved, not the blue ninjas, not the red ones, not Nyssa, not a single thing has had its payoff yet and I can't imagine anyone intentionally leaving endings out, so it has to be something where he's been promised a certain amount of issues no matter what and he's laid out the arc so that all the payoffs come at the end of it. We're at issue 11 and he's still setting things up.(Which is a foolish way to do it, you should at least have a payoff for the end of each TPB.)
>>150607853He didn't say angry, he said smug.Like, Cass knows she's better than others and relishes it.
>>150608096Red ninjas?
>>150608749The ones from the Shiva flashback. The chick in #11 was an emissary from them.Basically there's three factions in Brombalverse, blues, reds and Nyssa, and right now blues are entirely hostile while the latter two are trying to recruit Cass.
>>150602430Seems a bit superficial.
>>150608865It is, but it's also necessary.Superhero storytelling is very similar to booking in pro wrestling. To make a babyface popular you need to first give her a win streak. Simply how the business works.
>>150604394Did "gookgirl" murder your parents?
>>150609015They were walking from watching the gay zorro and a guy distracted by reading Batgirl ran them over.
We need a full frontal scene for cass
I liked batgirls.
>>150608113Ah
>>150604394
>>150609187What did you like about it
>>150607535hot take but I feel like Psu sort of gave the internet a more demure and weak take on Cass than she actually was in her book. Largely because she enjoys Cass as a fetish character for submissive roles, so she projects that onto her.
>>150609994>she
>>150601016I don't believe that for a second.
>>150609923Don't give him yous
>>150609963It was fun. Good high energy. I thought the bandera was funny. Very teen titans.
>>150610213She'll come back.
>>150605616Eh, its the sole thing motivating cass, and they keep bringing up how cass is shiva's "soft". So idk>>150607045Bomball really seems to like the weakest part of gabrych's run the most, huh.Nothing against nyssa, hope you nyssa guys get what you want too :)>>150607535Tbh, she can be both depending on the situation.>>150609994Wouldnt it be tec if anything? And i feel psu's done some confident casses too. But they also did a comm for me, so not sure im impartial.
>>150611344That's a skinny superboy
>>150609994Who?
>>150598197It's good enough
>>150608113What's the actual difference?
>>150598197nahboth of these characters are trashshivafags and cassfags are mentally ill
>>150614525Are you autistic? Those aren't remotely similar emotions.
>>150598801She's already squishing her breasts against her, wouldn't be to much of a stretch for this to be an actual possibility
>>150615314It IS co
>>150615314Seem simar to me.
>>150611786Psu drawing kon was intresting ngl. But this was before i had settled on more "big" kon, plenty of these earlier comms have "thin" kon. Not something im opposed to revisiting either desu.
>>150615894Wdym
>>150616619I like skinny superboy a bit more
>>150610324Also the art was good
>>150604817I still think that's going to end up being Cass's cousin instead. There's something more to that story.
>>150604817>Shiva just going around making multi-racial ubermensch babbies to see which one comes out on topWhat a freak. David probably didn't even need to pull that gun on her, in retrospect.
>>150601016So toss her in the Lazarus pit and groom her while she’s out of it. Been done before.
>>150607535Cass is basically "what if lady shiva had an absoulte no-kill rule and was poorly socialized?" She's basically a nice alpha bitch.
>>150604264RIP THEIR CLOTHES OFF
I like bathorse
>>150598197Based blacked Lady Shiva got impregnated by Bronze Tiger.Cass is next.
>>150619867Cass calls it Kokuoh.
>>150620171By Bronze Tiger too?
>>150620452No, by Jade Tiger Tenji
>>150619027So which others would there be?
>>150598801Sorry butShiva died before they couldAlso she and her sister got canonically blacked by Bronze Tiger
>>150620709Why are you so insistent with that
>>150621056Because it’s true.But no doubt Shiva will be brought back by the villains using a Lazarus pit so she can be on their side now.
>>150621087Just a bit too fast to say it
'CAUSE I'M A BATGIRL, YES, I AM.WELL, I'M A BATGIRL, YES, I AM.
>>150622154Other alt too
>>150624054BATGIRLS DO NOT EAT CHOCOLATE!
>>150624546Its her favorite icecream flavor too tho
>>150598197Worst batgirl
>>150626755Best Batgirl.
>>150627378Middest BatgirlBabs > Bette > Cass > Helena > Steph
>>150627378Agreed
>>150627604Does it scare you Cass might overtake Barbara by the end of next year in total issues of an ongoing? I bet it does. The gnawing dread that by July next year Cass will hit one hundred issues. That dread just a few more after that Cass will had more issues than Babs. That Babs for being "the best" is the Batgirl who truly is "mid" because she's not Cass, Steph, or even Bette . She's just the Batgirl who's mid.
>>150598197Bump
>>150627887Batgirl who laughs would be hot
>>150628979Harley Steph
>>150628979psu actually did a batgirl who keks
>>150630188>she sees your dick
>>150628536Can non storytimes be bumped haha
I wish they would give the writer a Shiva book so she would stop hogging all the attention in Cass' book. Even though she's not physically there she still haunts the narrative and it's annoying. Let Cass have more than her parents.
>>150631035I'd take David Cain centric stuff. But a rest from Shiva. Even if I like it.
>>150627887>Does it scare you Cass might overtake Barbara by the end of next year in total issues of an ongoing? I bet it does. lol zoomer you really think that anyone is threatened that more issues would make a character more relevant than one in many more adaptations. No one is threatened. Get a grip.
>>150598197Nice tits
>>150631171You're terrified, NICE.
>>150601016meh, death in comics ain't shit. somebody will dump her in Lazarus pit or punch reality really hard or one of the other dozen ways to fix the deds
>>150631308Lol ok zoomie
>>150631457Do wonder how long it'd last.>>150631035Yeahhh.>>150630188Have seen it, ngl i do like it.>>150630017Sketch did harley steph and punchline cass too.
>>150598197booba
>>150632166Indeed
Nudist
>>150632741Took a while.
So october's starting. Anyone got suggestions for comms?
Pick ur cass
>>150633164Gilf...
>>150598197Now kiss
>>150634257Probably never
>>150633164For me it's classic, Cazzam, and cavegirl
>>150632108Nice.
>>150632108Sexo
DEATH TO THE UNBURIED! (and their blue poppies too!)
Storytime?
>>150636484Seconding
>>150632108Really? >>150630017 was not even requesting, and yet Sketch showed no interest to do my "Slave Steph chained to Cluemaster" request before El Barto?
>>150636844I've seen this one like a year ago. It's not new.
>>150637066Based.
I keep having to resize some of these pages because the files sizes are so huge, what I do for you cassbros
>>150599061I'm interested in dc martial arts stuff, but I get that there are so few batman or batman family books right now.
absolutely insane deep cut from cass lore incoming
Brombal is truly a mad lad
it's your time Nyssabros
captcha: ASS24
oh no she's talking about that story
The end.
>>150637316Lol
>>150637397So is Nyssa dead
>>150637732no
>>150637811Just beaten
>>150637158>haha Cass you haven't forgotten about us right? Remember Batgirls?? We had fun in that, right?
>>150637953>who were you talking to?>just Oracle and *checks smudged writing on hand* Storf.
>>150637158>steph is a one panel cameoCome on
>>150638117Storf lmao
Bump
>>150598197This pick up my attention. Is this run any good for fans of her og run? Like i have been gone from from cape heroes for a while and i gave up on Cass after she returned it seemedto be coopted by activists and writers who didn't understand her appeal.
>>150639799The current run is basically a sequel to her original run that pulls a lot from the final arc.
>>150639799Do you like the last arc from gabrych? if so maybe?>>150637206If this wasnt the first cass solo in 20 years, id be wayy less harsh i feel?>>150637397I think the framing is confusing, im 85 percent sure this snt her killing the guy, but if it is..man this would go from "not for me" to "actively reuinious". If not its going to such a basic "cass almost kills but tenji talks sense into her", which is such a lame thing to do with her.>>150637343Nyssa is the new shiva i guess.
>>150640048Which was the weakest/crapped on the whole prior book ;)
