Is he retarded?
>>150602207He's right but I won't elaborate
He's right
>>150602207No he's a dumb boomer. Characters meant for my kids can kill and be popular. Huge reason why kids don't like comics anymore is the lack of a cool factor and morally grandstanding about killing, and other gay shit, all the time isn't cool fiction
>>150602214>>150602218You guys probably think The Punisher is a fascist
What's a more positive role model than a flawed person that learns from their mistakes? There's nothing more becoming of a hero than to become a hero.
The concept of "Heros" does not only pertain to comic books for children created between the 1910s and 2020s. A classical hero is considered to be a "warrior who lives and dies in the pursuit of honor" and asserts their greatness by "the brilliancy and efficiency with which they kill".
>>150602207He’s very clearly a sperg and someone that clearly has issues regulating emotions. Faggot was coping that he can’t write capeslop because an orange retard.
>>150602207Not retarded, just stupid.His best work has superheroes doing questionable shit, and he doesn't do it as well as others.
>>150602207Nah that's silly, there can be all types of superheroes. Obviously the ones that are paragons are virtue are the most deserving of being called superheroes, but there should be comics for all type of heroes. There's nothing wrong with kids and adults loving Wolverine or Punisher comics.Nobody has a problem with people killing in Japanese comics.
>>150602238I mean if the shoe fits
>>150602234>and other gay shitSamurai FlamencoTiger & Bunny, a superhero action show. It has several LGBT characters.in JJK, Kirara Hoshi is a trans womanWitch Hat Atelier mangaka is pro-lgbtq+
>>150602642gay can be used as a pejorative and not in a literal sense
>>150602642These are bad but I won't elaborate
>>150602207Yes.
>>150602207RIP Charlie Kirk
>>150602207If it looks retarded then its retarded>>150602238
>>150602207If he talks about classic DC, he is rightBut there is a variety in superheroes. Paragon of virtue wasn't much of a Marvel thing, which focused more on relatable superheroes. You can make superheroes less of more gritty. A paragon character should be present there, but so should be a resident Punisher.>>150602642>T&B has several LGBT characters The camp gay with fire powers is just a one character. Anyway, T&B is a good example of the above. Kotetsu is a paragon (though a goofy one), Sky High is a classic paragon, Lunatic is a punisher, Lunatic's father was a broken paragon, and other heroes have various approaches to heroism
>>150602238Frank is a cross between a fascist and radical lolbertHe has fascist ideals that he executes thru some radical lolbertism by shooting people violating the communities NAP You could also describe what he does as conservative ruthless pragmatism
It's a fine standard for superheroes. Problems arise when writers put them up against edgelord villians that torture and kill everyone.
>>150602242>What's a more positive role model than a flawed person that learns from their mistakes?There's a world of difference between "flawed person who makes mistakes" and "serial killer" you lunatic.
>>150602207Wonder what he thinks of Mako
>>150602238He is. It's telling that a vigilante is written in such a way that COPS identify with him
>>150602207There's nothing virtuous about letting the Joker run wild
>>150602234>Huge reason why kids don't like comics anymore is the(A) you don't have kids.(B) you won't ever have kids - unless you kidnap some.(C) kids born ten years ago can barely read, and(D) kids you would raise would grow to be adults who don't even know how to write their names without using a text-to-talk phone app.
>>150602207It's crazy how trashy pulp novels became trashy comic books. I mean, the art was kind of fine, but the most readable thing in the first half of the 20th century was newspaper comic strips. Anyway, my point is that it's a medium for telling stories. I don't give a fuck about the made-up rules. Just tell good stories, if we're going to the root of those stories. We have straight-up genocidal maniacs and characters who today would be seen more as villains than heroes. I mean, Odysseus? That guy was killing bitches for petty reasons.
>>150602642>>150603503>Projection + seethingKeep crying and listing off gay mangas as if shonen and other genres don't exist. Western creators still, somehow, don't understand not every customer wants woke bullshit in their fiction. Simple as
>>150602207Mark "something ain't" Waid
>>150602214>>150602218Right. Isn't this the guy that had a meltdown because the assassin didn't kill Trump? I'm not american and I don't care about garbage ass politics where you all fight over which shithead crook is the least shit, but how is wishing death upon a person worse than wishing death upon a fictional character?
>>150602637Stfu fag
>>150602207I think people who want heroes to kill their villiains are just sick of seeing villains get away with shit and use that to justify compromising values they may once have held. Which i suppose is a part of growing up, though not a positive one.
>>150602207>Is he retarded?Well, you have to be retarded to read capeshit. And he writes it... so, probably.
Kinda makes me worry what Pat Mills and Alan Moore would do if they got super powers
>>150603784Shut up troon
>>150603833>retarded
>>150602207>Mark Waid says bullshitImagine my shock :^ TThere's a lot to be said about Waid, of which includes how he's a liar and a slime ball
>>150603827Moore would instantly burn DC to the ground, then turn into Ozymandias.
Waid copes because he's an awful person and wishes he could be Superman.
>>150603856Stop projecting
>>150602207>superheroes shouldn't kill>unless it's Trump
>>150603954says the "guy" who calls everyone a troon
>>150602207I think they can be upright, optimistic, and positive and still kill in some instances. Most of us can see instances where killling is okay irl:a) Self-defenseb) Defense of other innocentsc) When letting them live will almost inevitably result in mass casualtiesOr in terms of crimefighters, ACAB types aside most would say there are instances where cops are justified to kill.The difference with superheroes is, if they are powerful enough, they can often effectively avoid killing and still subdue foes. If they can, they should. But in a desperate situation..No-kill worked for Batman when his foes pulled silly capers. Works less when they bomb school buses and can easily escape prison.Finally, early superheroes and pulp characters killed so the sanitized version is not inherent.
>>150603833troons love capeshit though
>>150602207His last sentence is totally true. People who demand that a kids media thing should be aged up and have mature things added to it...have outgrown that thing and need to move on to actual adult media.
>>150604031What a retard Namor came first
>>150602207How is this any different from when /co/ asks for things to be more sincere?Oh wait, because /co/'s idea of sincerity is having violent power fantasies about murdering and raping everyone they dislike.
>>150604020Stfu
>>150602285Yes, heroes created in a time where slavery and pedophilia were considered normal things, and human life was generally not valued as much due to worse living conditions and more pressing need for survival. It's almost like this became outdated and barbaric as the progress marched on.
>>150602866>But there is a variety in superheroes. Paragon of virtue wasn't much of a Marvel thing, which focused more on relatable superheroes.Most Silver Age Marvel characters were still paragons of virtue the vast majority of time.You post a page from a SA Marvel comic, odds are the main character is framed as being in the right, with the unjust forces of the world conspiring against them.For fuck's sake, Tony Stark was a weapons dealer and his original comics never treated that as a bad thing.
>>150604031>Moviepedo opinionsNigga got simp shamed like 10 years ago and hasn't been worth anyone's time since
>>150604066Oh no, heros killing is still something the crowds will cheer for, otherwise the action movie genre that isn't rated pg 13 and below wouldn't exist. It's just super heroes are aimed for all ages so they have to be squeaky clean and killing would remove characters from the status quo. This isn't a bad thing but let's not pretend fictional murder is a massive turn off like fictional depictions of pedophilia and slavery. The only issue someone might have is if the wrong person is killed, not the action itself.
>>150602207>>150603911Mark Waid is a fucking creep and hypocrite just like every far-left.
>>150604143Moviebob became a very public cautionary tale. People saw his antics and learned that sometimes you do need to put the kid things away and grow up and move on. He has too many weird obsessions over shit he was into back in 1990.
>>150602637>>150602873>>150602922All of you are retarded>>150603905Moore does not identify with Ozymandias
>>150602642>having to resort to 15 year old seasonal anime and author statements as a gotchareaching. But besides that, anon didn't even mean literal gay shit, but shit like infuriating appeals to the "heroes don't kill" thing even after supervillains commit mass murders or vicious killings and there's no catharsis. You can have heroes that don't kill, but don't constantly address that and don't make the villains so reprehensible people are begging for blood.
>>150604605I will get killed by blacks thanks
>>150602207That bit about outgrowing superheroes is funny because everyone and their mother knows that capeshit has oversaturated American comics for anyone teens and older. You can’t exactly read non-capeshit American comics if you don’t fucking make them. It’s the biggest reason manga is taking over.
>>150604761There are plenty of creator owned non-superhero comics that hardly anyone reads.
>>150602207hes a hack. ask any artist or editor. he blatantly steals ideas and gets others to basically plot his books for him and do all the work. kingdom come is also stolen from alan moore twilight of the super heroes. hes produced nothing of value. just generic trash and stolen ideas coasting on others work. leftist faggot that deserves the ass cancer he has.
>>150604887Yeah, they're called manga
>>150604761Yeah but even then a large amount of the population considers just comics in general to be a juvenile thing and people should grow out of it by middle school and move on to books.
>>150602637Not only does the shoe not fit, its not even a shoe.
>>150604066Anon... this moral fagging is very recent.Action heroes killed all the time.
>>150602207>these types of characters shouldn't have flaws because I personally think that such characters should never have those flawsI suspect he's guilty of some very stilted writing.
>>150602207are you?
>>150602207>""...that should be paragons of virtue.""Stopped reading right there.
>>150605457>No how dare people be better than me. I don't want to have to actually look up to something because that means trying harder.
Mark Waid will probably turn out to be a cannibal or something.
>>150602207Why do people have this attitude of thinking it's a good idea to shelter kids from being aware that violence, and especially justified violence, is a thing that exists?
>>150602207Buck broken by the Comics Code, don't listen to him
>>150605624Because you litterally don't want to be on the end of it. So you want children to be taught to be weapons for you.You're not superior or a better person for telling people that children should be exposed to rampant perversion created to specifically harm and destroy them.
>>150605564Because capeshit characters are doing such a great job at being valuable role models, right?
>>150604919No, plenty of people read manga these days. Just take a look most of the books published by Image and Dark Horse, they're the biggest fish in the small pond.
>>150605675>if you teach that there are (RARE) instances where violence is acceptable, people will think it's always acceptable!11!1(You) rode the short bus as a kid, didn't you?
