>"Indie Animation">Look inside>Pilot produced by a big studio>Pilot produced by a big studio>Pilot partially funded by Adult Swim>Pilot with a 15k budgetI don't know about you but back in my day there used to be a huge difference between something like There she is!! and Bravest Warriors. We didn't call Bravest Warriors or Bee & Puppy Cat independent animation because it literally wasn't, they were productions.
>>150635374I don’t understand. Are you confused what the word indie means?
>>150635374They also don't really seem like they differ much from mainstream animation. Like they follow the same broad guidelines and basic characters and ideas. Indie comics have the same issue
>>150635374>trans privilege Wish I could get free money and clout after cutting my dick off
>>150635374If it comes from a single creator or independent company then it’s indie. How many money they spent on it or not doesn’t disqualify them. Do you think indie is just work done with no money? Undertale and Silksong were financed with kickstarter money, are they not indie games?And the “adult swim finance” for Pan was nowhere near half of the budget he spent on it.
>>150635447Which part of it cant you do? Theres scisors in your kitchen drawer queen
>>150635374We're not talking enough about how Knights of Guinevere brutally mogged Homestuck. The power of good PR, I guess. Goddamn.
>>150635374>We didn't call Bravest Warriors or Bee & Puppy Cat independent animation because it literally wasn't, they were productions.Define what it means for an animation to be indie. Because as far as I understand indie has little to do with it being from a "production" and more to do with how it's produced and its existence within the industry. Both of those cartoons feel very indie to me
>>150635374>le hot take>look inside>mental retardation
>>150635374Many such cases
>>150635374>Pilot partially funded by Adult SwimPan got like 200 dollars from them, counting that as "funded by Adult Swim" is only technically correct in the most pedantic sense.
>>150635374People will hate you for saying it but you’re right.Yes technically these are all still independent but let’s not go and act as if every single one of these isn’t helped in some way by the creators being popular already. That’s the game you have to play for sure, but let’s not pretend that “indie animation” isn’t like this. You know that if Catching Up wasn’t made by a hack YouTuber with 3 mil subs, it would’ve gotten 2000 views max and would be rightfully called shit.
You know, just because the creator is popular or has a big budget to it, doesn't mean that they aren't indie.
>>150637980No no, anon. It only TRULY counts as independent if you somehow pull the money required to make cartoons directly out of your ass.
>>150635374Pans Idea is the only interesting thing happening in "creator driven cartoons" I hope he succeeds
>>150635374Where's Saladfingers?
When does a studio stop being independent?Is Disney independent? If not, who do they depend on?
Indie is just a marketing term these days.It doesn't really mean anything at this point.
>>150635374RIGHT, RebelPanTaxiPizza DID pitch that shit to Adult Swim.
>>150635374isn't glitch literally funded by the australian government. that's literally the polar opposite of indie, it's state media
>>150639031I don't think they're funded, but they are subsidized by the state yes.
>>150635374>>Partially funded by adult swim You make it sound like they commissioned it. It was two hundred lousy dollars in a pilot that cost over 15k that were won in a contest. Aside from that AS had nothing to do with it. Man I hate it when people are stupid on purpose.
this is why skibidi toilet is better
>>150635609I mean Glitch's is a pretty popular channel at this point so they're almost guarranteed big views on anything they release just from the level of audience.
I'm gonna use this opportunity to rant;I wanna make indie cartoons but I'm scared of sucking because everybody puts so much pressure into being good at art that when you suck, it's like you give indie cartoons a bad name. Animation is also hard to figure out because every time I try something it just looks like ass and I feel if I try to do animation my own way, it will not look professional enough to the standards of cartoon fans since they all hate poorly made stuff, they want everything to be clean TV show standard animation and I hate it.And I don't think my cartoons ideas are what people want. I want to make cartoons that have shit like, attractive female characters, and I feel that's illegal in the eyes of animation fandom, everything has to be gay and non white or else you'll be tossed aside for being generic and a hack.I feel stuck that I can't do anything. I could always get better at animation and work on it anyway, but by the time I finish my cartoon, everyone will grow out of animation so what's the point?
>>150640288>Animation is also hard to figure outEveryone starts out shit.Look at Glitch's early stuff.Just make your stuff, post it, and learn.>I don't think my cartoons ideas are what people want.Make what you want and stop focusing on other people.The only person you need to please is yourself.If you build it, they will come.>everything has to be gay and non white or else you'll be tossed aside for being generic and a hack.Everything gay and non white fails.People don't like that shit, believe it or not.>by the time I finish my cartoon, everyone will grow out of animation so what's the point?No they won't, don't be an idiot.
>>150640288Just do whatever you want instead of whining. Nobody cares as much as you think, so just make art for art's sake.
Monkey Wrench looks like ass
>>150640288your indieslop WILL fail unless you appeal to the indieslop audience:20-year old womengaystroonsdisneyhatersedgelordsweebsfurriesautistsgooners
>>150635374>loki irl pilotwhat do you mean pan actually finished it
>>150640709you could've just said unemployed
>>150635374"indie" is not an indication of how big a budget is or how many people worked on it. Sounds like you don't know what words mean.
>>150635447>after cutting my dick offyou won't know until you try.
>>150640288right now the most popular indie animation is a gay owl soap opera. the bar is literally in hell for animation. just do it.
>>150635374>>150637073Pan likes to say "Partially funded by Adult Swim" because it makes his balls feel big, but he got $200 as a prize for having one of the least worst pitches (somehow) in a contest. Saying that Adult Swim funded his short is like saying Youtube funded it because Pan technically used money he made from his youtube videos to partially pay for his production.
>>150640288The truth is no show is going to please everyone. Even the highest viewed indie series have people who shit on them. Enjoy making something for yourself and the rest will follow.
>>150635447It comes with nogs stomping your face out of religious indignation. Also, they will be considered based for doing it. That is the price of making cartoons.
>>150641131Oh, he won an episode of Pitch Meeting? That's cool. That was an awesome show. I liked watching Mike Lazzo get pissed off when he was accused of being too old to like Terminator.
>>150638657A studio stops being independent when they are publicly traded and have investors or are owned by a company that is publicly traded and has investors.Nobody is an investor in Glitch. Glitch is independent. Disney has investors. Disney is not independent. >>150639031For the last time, Glitch hasn't gotten Aussie bucks since the beginning of Murder Drones. Since the very first episode of Murder Drones, they have been completely self-funded. If they had continued getting the grant, they would not have been allowed to bring on Americans. Why do retards keep parroting this misinformation?
>>150640288>I'm scared of suckingThat's the very first fucking hurdle to get over for making anything. If that's what's stopping you, then just give up now. You have to accept the fact that you're going to suck at something before you're good at it. Get off of /co/. The overwhelmingly negative attitude here can be poison your brain. Just start doing the work and keep going and you'll be leagues beyond most people here who just bitch about things but never actually make anything.
>>150640772>pan actually finished itwhere the fuck have you been? It's been on youtube for weeks. We've had a bunch of threads so much so that people are done talking about it by this point.
>>150641108>a gay owl soap operaI don't know what you've been watching, but you sound freaky.
>>150641182>he won an episode of Pitch Meeting?define "won". They awarded cash prizes to like 4 out of the 5 presenters. Pan managed to squeak by despite telling everyone that they could canonically fuck and impregnate his characters if they wanted to. He got $200 and a guarantee that he'll never get picked up by Adult Swim.
>>150635374And now you know the real reason this account didn't include Space King even though it got more views than Homestuck-- it was made by two guys and the account owner probably doesn't like them.
>>150635374yeah I don't consider glitch or spindlehorse indie anymore because they aren't, glitch is big enough now to hire actual industry professionals and spindlehorse is already outsourcing animation to overseas studios but Loki IRL and Monkey Wrench do still count as indie because it's just one guy making them and hiring people with no studio attached. And Adult Swim's contribution to Loki wasn't even that big since they only gave Pan like 100 dollars
