>Been out for nearly a week>Still hasn't passed 300k views>Cost $64k to produce>YT ad revenue is so bad for animation that even episode 1 only brought in $4k with 1m viewsCan it even be salvaged at this point?https://youtu.be/m2nZKiK9Xlw?si=0U7T6KBOLiD0GYLs
Doesn't he make most of his money off Patreon?
>>150654014Apparently Youtube pays on how often you upload. Obviously that screws over animation.>>150654036He does.
>>150654014Only way I'll watch is if Kara gets naked. Otherwise, I couldn't give two shits.
>>150654014The day they force Google to remove YouTube and allow to come other streaming apps to come prepackaged on android is the day YouTube dies.
So what's the consensus on the episode?
>>150654063So that's why a lot of animation channels post short videos in-between their major animations?
>>150654145nooo we have to talk about how it's a failure for having hundreds of thousands of views instead of 48 millionwe have to be an asshole to the guy who made it because one time 5 years ago he was bummed out by the cost of it nooooo
>>150654178>5 years ago
>>150654014>YT ad revenue is so bad for animation that even episode 1 only brought in $4k with 1m viewsI swear to god this retarded system changes every couple of months, can someone explain how you’re meant to keep up with this?
>>150654178Zeurel's been repeatedly complaining that the cartoon isn't getting enough traffic to make a profit. He just talked about it again like three days ago. Every time he brings up that topic, he invites people to ask the question "why isn't Monkey Wrench getting more traffic?". And people are gonna give their answers to that question.
>>150654265>how you’re meant to keep up with this?You're notSeriously, even live action channels are eating shit now. So many "big" YouTubers getting fuck all views now. It's over, YouTube at best can only be a supplemental income thing. The landscape is too unstable otherwise
>>150654014Zeurel needs to swallow his pride and start scaling back to something more manageable.Do these episodes REALLY need to be 30 mins? Cutting it down to 11 would save a shitton. Either that or take the animatic pill, didn't stop Magical Girl or Becky Prim from gaining an audience
The problem with Monkey Wrench is that nobody knows who the hell this is aimed for
>>150654014Sorry, was busy these last coupla days and just finished rewatching the previous Monkey Wrench episode since it's been so long. I really am starting to think we're being too hard on this show. The Beebs walrus drama was well-executed and JawBone and Tyneen's bickering got a laugh out of me.
>>150654014I hope for zeurel's sake that this is meant to be a miniseries
>>150654590vinesauce fans
>>150654852Ensign better reappear.
>>150654145Most people seem to think pretty highly of it, compared to the earlier episodes. Only caveat is that it exposes the two protagonists as the weakest link in the whole thing because everything AROUND them is more interesting.
Anybody got that screencap of Zeurel crying about his views? Not thsi one >>150654240
>>150654145It was great.>>150655800Shrike and Beebs are slowly becoming less insufferable and boring as the series goes on, but yeah. Literally everything else about Monkey Wrench is more interesting than its main characters.
>>150655817I did once, but I've since lost it..
I imagine it'll gain traction when the red haired human girl is brought in. Right now the two leads are too unpleasant looking.
What a downgrade
>>150654036Patreon alone covers the cost of the episodes and then some
>>150654145The last few episodes of Monkey Wrench have all been pretty good
>>150657512He could've reigned in the LE INSANITY and still kept this kino edgelord design. His whole appearance is younger and full of vitality, it's actually kinda cute and would've struck a cord with the modern indie audience.NuShrike is completely sanitized, marred in glowing blue and looks like a sickly person with that human skintone, eye bags and rancid fingernails.
>>150654240Yeah, it's totally Youtube's fault that nobody wants to watch your dogshit animation.
>>150654341Why doesn't he just do what Harry Partridge did and release a graphic novel like he did with Starbarians? There isn't a lot saying MW couldn't work more in a comic format to help get a wider audience interested then jump off the momentum it could bring. He's got the reach that a campaign of that would be successful.
>>150657734Starbarians is about on par with Monkey Wrench in terms of views at this point
>>150657649Seriously, look at this shit, what the fuck is he supposed to be? And why is he dressed like Marty McFly
>>150657753Both of them are pet projects by the creators who never took the time to think of a wider audience for it. That's typically why you don't bank on the personal project being the moneymaker cause it typically never works.On the other side like with Space King, it works more cause the creators kept making 40k jokes for years and always were versed in that community. That was an immediate overlap when they began releasing those episodes. Monkey Wrench? I only see people share it in cartoon-based circles which is already niche as fuck. I don't even see interest from the sci-fi lovers or any other demographic which is a bad look.
>>150654920Same. I know he's grown attached to these characters, but there's no need to die for this. Tell your complete story and just wrap it up.
In how much debt do you think Zeruel is in due to making this show?
>>150654145it's bad.
>>150654014>Cost $64k to produceWhat the fuck is he spending all that money on? It’s an indie project, just tell people to animate
>>150658458>What the fuck is he spending all that money onI'm gonna take a guess here and say voice acting.
>>150658458He adds a crazy amount of detail to the animation for no reason
>>150655800Well FINALLY SOMEBODY who copies my educated opinions instead of asking 24/7 "what's wrong with it?"
>>150654145It was pretty entertaining, but not because of the main characters. The world around them is interesting. The main characters are absolute steaming garbage. This show is frustrating because it could be really good, but it just isn't.
>>150659172Show is salvageable if the humie girl with the beeg robot arm is lovable.
>>150657649>NuShrike is completely sanitizedHonestly a lot of indie things these days feel weirdly corporate.
>>150654014Is it a good watch? I care about quality more than popularity
>>150659398In Zeurels case his style didn't become more corporate, it just shifted completely from this dirty, blocky, more tangible look to something ephemeral with flat shading and lots of glowing energy/hologram stuff. It lost substance.
>>150659418It'll take you less than 2 hours to watch episode 1-5. Form your own opinion. I like it, as do many others, despite its flaws.
>>150659563Woah, that was ASS.
>>150654014and what do you want from us? to watch it? it's not even that entertaining, it doesn't have that thing that hooks you, space king has the ironic no girls allowed mentality, loki irl has the tryhardness cringe, knights of guillibles has good animation but what does monkey wrench has to let you sit through? if i want to listen a white guy speaking mexican blabber i'll just watch the early simpsons episodes featuring bumblebee man at least that voice isn't irritating. zeruel had two male characters with different physiques and not even the barafags eat that shit and those faggots have the lowest standards unimaginable. It's not even cozy two guys shenanigans show because they always get blurred by some this episode's strong female character
>>150660775Gay furfags are only making porn of those astronaut cats because the MCs look ugly as hell
>>150660794exactly which is a bad sign, if your MCs don't have any sort of appeal, then you might have to go back to the drawing board, also it's 5 episodes and nothing stays simple, it lore dumps you and already are having a fight.
>>150657791i feel like he should've been a duck or maybe not have a skin color
>>150657649He looks like a Trigun OC
>>150660664Ass, you say?
>>150660983She should've been the MC no
They should've made the protagonists monkeys
>>150661004I agree. Villainess protags are based but rare.
>>150654014It's salvaging itself.The episodes are getting better, and they're financially sustainable with Patreon.I'm sure Zeurel wanted more viewers, but that's what happens when your first two episodes are boring. They probably should have been 10-15 minutes. Oh well. Such is life.I hope this series continues to improve, and I hope Zeurel can apply what he learns to another series and continue improving.
>>150654145Not trying to be a shill but I've enjoyed the last two episodes way more than any other indie project that came out recently, other than maybe KOG. I'm a sucker for adventure slop
>>150660983wish I could spank it...
This latest episode was alright. I feel like Shrike and Beebs should have already been discussing or at least dived into certain questions regarding each other somewhat because topics such as Shrike's relation's to L.A.W. and Beebs being a half-breed Warthrogian-something should have been mentioned with more info, not at full length as of now, due to their partnership and type of work that they are doing. Zeurel should have worked out by now a proper smoothed out plotline and not have so many characters contained and appearing so much like in Ep. 4. This current episode, while in the right direction, still needs to be ironed out like not having Kara appearing almost every episode and gradually introducing story elements such as L.A.W. over time.
>>150654296I wonder why it isn't. It's got a lot of the same things that other, more successful series have. Is it just the nature of media that not everything will experience overwhelming success?
>>150654240>>150654014Because no one actually cares for the story, animation or characters. they came, because their favorite influences Vinesauce and Vargskelethor we're part of the show and they were telling their audience, to go check it out. I mean, Zeurel's most popular animations are about the Vinesauce crew. So is it actually surprising, most people who are watching (including myself) the show are there for Vinny or Joel?
>>150662643Oh also, if you look closely Zeurel puts his weird fetishes throughout the entire show. You'll start to Nooootice a pattern, once you see it.
>>150662612>Is it just the nature of media that not everything will experience overwhelming success?That's likely the most plausible answer, but I also think it not having the biggest launch compared to other indie shows hurt it in the long run too. Failing to garner enough interest in the pilot right out the gate meant there wasn't as big an audience interested in returning for future episodes. As others have said before, Zeurel really did himself a disservice restricting Monkey Wrench to its own channel rather than uploading it his own, already established, platform.
>>150654145Boring as ever
>>150662612No girl main character. That`s It.
>>150655192Weren't Joel and Vinny only recent additions to the voice cast?
>>150661004Less is more
>>150654014Meanwhile >has 3.2 million views in five days and recently blew up on twitter
>>150660881And Vash the Stampede looks like a Hellsing OC.
This show feels badly planned, it feels as if Zeruel desperately wanted to create an internet cartoon with good animation and just threw in some random ideas from his 2000s deviantart account and dumb shit
>>150654296> isn't getting enough traffic to make a profitNobody is making a profit from YouTube views and Zeurel knows this. I think he’s more frustrated that his work just isn’t being seen.
>>150654265>>150654299Just wait until you find out how Spotify screws over musicians…
>>150657649Don’t forget that he’s voiced by a white guy doing a racist impersonation of Cheech Marin.
>>150663246It’s probably a good thing that MW flies under the radar, or the cancel brigade would come for Jacob Barrens. Maybe that’s why he does fuck all to help promote it.
GRAND DEAD?
>>150663304Fleentbones?
Its the fucking name. You google Monkey Wrench or search it on twitter etc. you get the tool. Also it tells me shit all about what the cartoons aboutHe might aswell have called it Amazon
>>150663073Space King sweeps because it was made for the mentally ill young boys. I still don't know who the target audience for MW is.
>>150658458Animation costs money, he's been pretty forthcoming where all the budget goes.
>>150657649>>150657791Eh, I think new Shrike is still better and more polished though he could have used some edits.
If Zeruel had made the show about sexy animal girls going on sci-fi adventures it would've been a success
>>150662664No one cares about that for Vivieslop shows or The Amazing Vore Circus either
The design of the MCs is too ugly for the show to become popular
>>150663444Why so much in sound design?
>>150654014No, he's fucked and probably buried in thousands of dollars in debt
>>150664029I imagine that's just how much it costs if you pay a sound engineer to do it. Maybe a little cheaper than a professional setting.
>>150654124That's not so clear cut as all that. YouTube has a hell of a lot of infrastructure that would-be competitors can't just conjure up out of thin air.
Why does Shrike look like Earthworm Jim
>>150664029$3000 is the price of like one Californian dude on minimum wage working for a month.
>AAAIIIIIIEEEEEE SAVE ME DONKEY KONGis this how the show goes? Never watched it
zeruel really needs to sit this through and asks himself what's this show about, what's the story he wants to tell, what's the goal of these two because so far these two are tresspasser in their own show meddling in someone else's business, they aren't even narrating us, the viewer, what's going on. they should be the ones taking our hand and lead us to the next adventure, after all it is episodic so they have to be the ones walking us through, i get they are some underdogs but tje plot seems ti advance without them so if zeruel doesn't care about them why should we?
>>150654240There are multiple YT competitors, no one uses them (except the right wingers on rumble/odysee) because all the YTers are stuck in the ecosystem and 99% of their "fans" are casual viewers who would never follow them to some other platform.YT is background noise, it's the shit I put on in the background when I'm at work or while working out or while cleaning up around the house, or maybe while playing a game. Plus, lefty types will never go to any of the alternatives because they're full of right wingers,.
>>150664213He should kill them off and make an episode about that furry chick twerking instead
>>150654073It's a fun series, but yes, Kara doesn't get nearly the attention she deserves. Shame the porn is sparse. I could use another catgirl fix.
>>150664476Too much gay porn
Animation as a whole isn't even worth to get into at this point. 3D and 2D. Corpos are firing workers in favor of switching to full A.I, meanwhile YouTube is making it harder for animators to monetize their shit.
>>150664140I guess he went to the Earthworm Gym.
>>150664615Agreed, though I use Boolean search to remove those kinds of unnecessary tags. Makes things much more fappable.
>>150657791He should've stayed yellowish. Also those fingers look gross.
At least it's doing better than Loki IRL, now that was a flop
I thought this show would be about monkey engineers in space
Is this show the KWABOTY?
>>150664684Boolean?
>>150654014Youtube don't want things that take time because all they want is quickly made AI slop that can be uploaded every hours on the hour for years
>>150665245Using AND/OR/NOT (or similarly functioning symbols, eg. '-' or '+') in a search function to narrow down results.
>>150654014> indieslopSo cheap and yet it STILL fails to find an audience. CHADstream animation is still KANG
How long before Zeruel goes insane
>>150662580You could spank it once before she killed you. Make it count.
>>150662580Why is she wearing such a tight suit?
>>150666858So you can immediately tell that she's a sneaky assassin chick. Skintight suits are the furthest thing away from bulky armor, so it gives off the vibe of stealth and skill over brute strength. Also its fucking hot.
>>150666842What was the rest of this comic like?
Zeruel should have stuck with Dark Ace. It was his most popular OC to date.
>>150667218Why didn't he make him the protagonist?
after putting it on the watch list for so long i started it and why did i sleep on it for so long man, just at the episode 3 and i see i was wrong to ignore it daaamn
>>150655817This one?There were a bunch more but I don't have them
>>150668213Oh! I got this one too lmao
>>150667235Right???He'd would fit perfectly into the setting too (Humans being a KoS threat) as some sort of Anti-Hero or as a Nemesis to the main cast!
>>150668263Honestly while I doubt it would ever happen, I really like the idea of Zeural making another animated series set in the same universe as Monkey Wrench but it follows the story of a Human evading L.A.W. Whether this Human is good, evil or morally ambiguous, I think it would be really cool.
>>150668366It'd probably be more successful than Monkey Wrench because that's an easier plot to understand and one of the last humans trying to escape aliens who are trying to kill him sounds cooler than 2 dweebs who scream a lot
>>150654145This and 3 are alright, but the series as a whole is somehow frustratingly slow-paced and too much happening at the same time. It’s like I’m watching a set of dominoes branched out too much and tipping over in slow-mo
>>150668366>the story of a Human evading L.A.W. Whether this Human is good, evil or morally ambiguous, I think it would be really cool.Sounds orders of magnitude more entertaining than what we got, but he shouldn't be a good guy imo.
>>150654852Yeah, I’m just frustrated about the pacing I have a theory that the little rock creature is going to become the big bad and lash out against the universe as revenge for the decimation of his people and the torture he has to put up with because the two main guys couldn’t help him. I’m noticing that the fragility of relationships is bdcoming a main theme of the show so imagine the rock monster throwing Shrike’s words back at him “They should get used to being alone” after taking out a whole people and maybe even a fake-out death with Beebs so those words really sting or maybe that’s just the angst in me coming out.
>>150668546>he shouldn't be a good guyI like the idea of him being good in the sense that he basically a renegade soldier who goes out of his way to protect and rescue his fellow Humans but still gains immense sadistic pleasure from murdering L.A.W agents without mercy. A little bit of good to go with the justifiably bad. Maybe he teams up with Kara and Agent K because Kara also loves killing shit and Agent K is definitely some weird entity connected to Humanity's downfall.
>>150668213>>150668229Why is he seething so much, it's gonna turn people off
>>150668664My boy Punti won't hurt anyone.
>>150668213>Fails to engage fans>"You guys failed big time lol"
>>150669287I’m seething that his talent is wasted on this arrogant nonsense>>150668213This is DSP business meeting level of seething. What the actual fuck? let your work speak for you.
>>150668213>>150668229This is just pathetic. I don't want to watch anymore of this cartoon, so good job I guess.
>>150669315You never know. In all seriousness, I hope he at least gets more of a character arc beyond “twamatized little guy”. Am I just projecting angst on him though? I forget, does Chikn Nuggit voice him?
>>150669364I’m now imagining Punti doing a MW2 Shepherd betrayal then giving the same speech about how he lost his whole people in the blink of an eye while everyone watched.>>150669315But you’re probably right. He does worship that thing in the back of Shriek’s head after all.
>>150663466It feels like there are numerous shows like that already
>>150663466He throws sexy whatever girls into the background all the time. How in the hell do none of them catch on with the porn scene?
>>150669821Nobody watched the show, he needs someone to shill his girls
>>150669847Fuck, you’re right. I don’t even see fat fetish content for them. That’s how you know it’s a commercial failure. Maybe it’ll be like earthbound where people appreciate it decades later.
>>150669930>Maybe it’ll be like earthbound where people appreciate it decades later.HOOOOOOLY COPIUM
>>150670140Kek, yeah. Who knows? It could happen. Realistically, what’s separating IPs from today from being appreciated like the resurgence from IPs back then?
>>150662901>no girl main characterNext episode is unironically going to change that.
This show blows bananas
as a mexican his constant mexican cussing gets very tiresome, it's on the same level in how helluva hotel can't form a sentence without adding FUCK in it
>>150670998"Gratuitous Spanish" is called gratuitous for a reason. While I am excited to learn more about Shrike origins since him speaking Spanish while being a dickless alien freakazoid thing is probably going to lead to some interesting revelations in later episodes, it is still annoying as hell because he constantly says Spanish shit for no reason, as if Zeural is afraid that people will forget about it.
This show's name killed it
>>150654341>didn't stop [female shit] from getting an audiencei dont think a show like this is going to live through animatics. it doesn't have any cunt women being cunts as the main focus, just non-human dudes the closest would appeal to anyone is if they like bara
>>150671125I'm asking this genuinely. What would have been a better name? Monkey Wrench is a bad name. But what would be a more fitting name?
>>150671481Barely Together? Referencing riding around in a shitbox but also a deteriorating friendship and also cracked mental state?
>>150671641That's J.G. Quintel's next show title after Close Enough
>>150671125I don't think the name really matters; there are plenty of popular shows with nonsense names(i.e. "Cowboy Bebop" isn't about cowboys who play bebop). The real problem is how meandering and slow-paced the show's episode plots are. It's got the pacing of an early 2000s webcomic and the ~30 minute format does not help. It's still a very impressive project for an indie artist mostly doing things by himself, though maybe a little too ambitious.
>>150672388My gripe is Monkey Wrench sounds too pedestrian. Could be more nonsensical
>>150671115zeruel should feel lucky twitter is not campaigning to cancel him given how sensitive they are with VA matching character's skin color/nationality. shrike is one level from shouting "ay caramba" or "andale andale!">>150672388>>150672599what grinds my gear is that the title felt like a wasted potential to make them look like monkeys and not have a wrench for a weapon being that name what everyone else knows them as despite not naming themselves like that, could be good for a running gag
>>150672388>Cowboy Bebop" isn't about cowboys who play bebopFor the last time you fucking dumbass, the main characters were bounty hunters (a common archetype in Cowboy movies) and their ship was called Bebop. Cowboy Bebop is not a "nonsense name". You said the same shit in the last thread and someone else already pointed this out.
>>150672643Oh. In that case, the title of the show should be Monkey Wrench (their ship name)
>>150672643>>150672388(me)You' re right anon, just using CB as an example as, at first glance, most viewers wouldn't know that information. (I guess Blade Runner would have been a better example, the profession is only mentioned in passing to describe the main character but isn't really elaborated on in detail and the crew behind the film just picked it because it sounded cool). Ultimately my point in the title isn't really holding the show back, it has more structural problems preventing an audience getting invested. Doesn't mean it's a bad show.
>>150672925it's not a bad show, it's just boring. perhaps reduce the time to 15 minutes per episode would at least help keep the story simple and focused
>>150654014Finally got around to watching this and it simply doesn't have appeal to Zoomers and younger, I think that's its main problem. All those Glitch shows are being propped up by teenagers and children watching it, not adults. This has "written by a dude who loved Cowboy Bebop but also 90s cartoons and comics" and kids these days don't even find Cowboy Bebop watchable despite its almost flawless aesthetics. It's 30 minutes an episode of weird space adventure plots that are barely emotionally tied to leads that are quite frankly not that interesting or likeable. The character designs are knobby and almost grotesque and would only be liked by the millenials and Gen Xers who liked TMNT or Ren and Stimpy back in the day. The "taste" of the show screams millenial and older, and being quite frank many millenials and older just don't consume cartoons/comics as much and there isn't even a niche for episodic space adventures amongst the younger crowd. It's clearly a competent production but that's about it.
>>150673502so basically no target audience
>>150673502it's the walking definition of all styles no substance. even for a millennial like me i find this boring and i can see how this series is a love letter of 90 early 00 cartoons/anime but it cannot stand on its own being something that is monkey wrench, i know many shows are inspired or be based on other things but they manage to form their own identity, monkey wrench has no identity and that's the main issue. zeruel should've just made shriek be some johnny bravo in space with all those sexy female aliens appearing but he wants the adventure be upfront except his main character is not the one driving the adventure or be this prankster a la lupin the 3rd by obtaining rewards or treasures
I don't get all the complaints here, the show has clearly improved past the first couple episodes and each episode keeps getting better and I say this as someone that initially thought the two mains kinda sucked. Only thing I would have changed was make those first two episodes better introductions and maybe introduce that Lariat character earlier since in theory she would probably round out the cast.
>>150673519There is, it's just the audience is like 20 people. I mean it isn't but it might as well be.
>>150673677What do you mean by, "round-out"?Shrike and Beebs shaky partnership is one of the main thrusts of the narrative; I feel like a permanent third member would distract from this, unless they were a sparingly used recurring cast-mate (i.e. Elise from Dan vs.).
this board is going to be obnoxiously defending this show when the dumb giead dhrerl is introduced
>>150673934that's supposed to say redhead girl but my browser lagged and that's what it thought i typed
>>150672388>I don't think the name really matters; there are plenty of popular shows with nonsense names(i.e. "Cowboy Bebop" isn't about cowboys who play bebop).They should have use better names like DANDANDAN
>>150673677>the show has clearly improved past the first couple episodesI would argue otherwise, I think the strongest episode was the first one. But the opening of a story is always easiest to pull off. The latest one was the weakest with the awkward opening exposition that makes the lore of the show seem juvenile with the>green corrupts everythingexplanation. Not-Jet and Not-Spike's dynamic had already gotten boring as well.
>>150673904Eh, I just feel like she could potentially bring a new dynamic to the table and I'm interested to see how it plays out. At least give them another main character to bounce around the rest, y'know?
>>150674060They could have used a Spanish word for the title of the show, since the Spanish language seems to be important to the lore of the show. Or they called the show/ship: (the) Spanner, which is a better, more spacey synonyms for "wrench".
>>150674060How about DADANDARNhttps://youtu.be/ehRuGj8JjXk?si=-50v658nl9z2mrbK
>>150673957It's okay I forgive you
>>150672260Lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i18HXAa1uYOh yeah that's what the first episode is like ... it introduces a lot of characters, but doesn't really have time to do any story with them.
>>150675758WHERE IS THE ACTION MUSIC, ZEUREL?
>>150673934>this board is going to be obnoxiously defending this show when the dumb giead dhrerl is introducedWhy? Is she a loli?
>>150676189There are many things one can complain about when it comes to Monkey Wrench, but the music is not one of them. You guys are just being mean and trying to dogpile now.
>>150676834What’s your biggest complaint? I think the music does its job.
>>150664213i think he's done that thothis last episode tied together a lot of plot threads from previous eps and made everything that came before relevant except for the fat talking cat
>>150654014I finally decided to watch all the episodes in one go and I actually enjoyed it. I'm not sure why I avoided it for so long
>>150673502>don’t bother making animation that isn’t for children raised on YouTube What a message
>>150668213>>150668229he just needs to fire Jacob Barrens. It was a bad casting choice and it's destroying the show's potential.
>>150674895Damn, he fucked all of them?
>>150654014So, why did Monkey Wrench fail while pic related became popular?
>>150664855that's because you're used to watching tiktok where a video is titled "watch me open a labubu" and then you watch some idiot opening a labubu box.
>>150677567Anon you can just say you think he looks ugly, you don't have to pretend you have a reason to want him fired
>>150677591Zoomers love this weird shit
>>150677591Zoomers and younger do not like the same things millennials like, shocker.
>>150677595Yet people would rather watch than this slop lmao
>>150664855false advertising
Are the main characters good?
I know this comes off like a nonsense complaint but there's really nothing based about monkey wrench. There's no moment in any of these episodes that really makes you go "oh fuck yeah, okay, I'm on board this is cool" and no smaller moment of "okay I want to see where this is going because that's a really bold story choice", there's no moment where one joke lands really really, and even the fanservice feels half hearted, there's no sense of like "oh based hot bitches and you get some titillation"I mean bro there's just fucking nothing to grab onto here. Zeurel needs to lock in.
Does anyone think Shrike and Beebs shouldn't be bounty hunters...especially Beebs. Like yes it is sad that Punti's race got killed off but both male leads have only met Punti once and now Beebs is ready to jump into danger, also knowing he might potentially die due to the green goop, just to rescue some random alien they just met once. Shrike had the perfect opportunity to kill off Jaw Bone due to him making a nuisance of himself and stealing an important Box that needs to be taken to L.A.W. as fast as possible.I'm not exactly saying that Shrike+Beebs should be shooting up everyone that they meet but when you take on the job of being a bounty hunter that comes with it's own risks which includes possibly killing off other bounty hunters for either reward loot, making an example out of them or a bounty placed on your head. I feel like the male leads should have just been L.A.W squad Investigaters-basically investigating crimes, finding clues to missing people and getting into hostile conflict with different organizations and alien species during their adventures.
>Doc appears>still no Law of Talos adaptationDammit all
>a wild Beebs and Shrike appears
>>150657791Kek
I like the series. Its not perfect but I like space shit and the backstory they are building up has me interested. They could probably get more views if they split up the 30min episodes into 10min ones. Keep the hype train going for shorter episodes that come out more often. You dont even need to change the story. Just end each one around 10 min like its a "chapter". Then later release them all combined as a "complete episode" for people that like the longer format. So then you have the chapters and full episodes side by side on your youtube listings.
>>150657791>what the fuck is he supposed to be?An alien, even in the series itself his species is unknown because he's the last of his kind
>>150657791All I can see is that someone turned earthworm Jim's head into a weenie octopus and put it back on upside down
>>150667218Has he ever explained the full story. I know he had some flash back stuff when Zeurel used to enter those OC tournaments way back but I don't remember him making it too far in those.
>>150654014>306k views right now.Why do you like to lie?
>>150654014bro this thing is such a waste of time and money.
>>150678185They're bounty hunters because it's a Cowboy Bebop ripoff. People are even calling for a third (female) charatcer because Faye rounded out Spike and Jet's dynamic in CB. The real problem with this show is that Shrike is supposed to be a Spike/Lupin expy but he's fucking ugly. Aesthetics are a key part of animation and making your lead the smug and secretly insecure type without making him actually look cool just makes him annoying. It doesn't help that he sounds like a Mexican Doofenschmirtz, either.
>>150677603I don't care what voice actors look like, but his acting is fucking awful.l
>>150679295That was after OP was posted
>>150677750"people"
>>150679732>People are even calling for a third (female) charatcer because Faye rounded out Spike and Jet's dynamic in CBlets be 100% real herepeople are calling for a female character so the show has goonbait
I kinda feel bad for this fag, his passion cartoon costs 64$ per episode to make and it flopped while people shit on it
>>150680102I mean to Say 64,000$
>>150677591zoomers think eye holes and fangs are creepy
Is there any chance that this show comes popular?
>>150680754No, it isn't that the content hasn't been seen and is an unknown quantity, the quantity is known and it appeasl to very few. And the views it does have are slightly inflated by ecelebs BEGGING that you watch it.
How would you fix this show, /co/?
>>150681225waifus
>>150682928There are a few
>>150681225Replace Shrike with the black cat character. Make him the only cat so you can still do the "last of his kind" angle.
>>150683066Can't believe so many people like the cat characters.They suck hard, annoying and worst of all their design, literally just a cat in a space suit.Truly lazy concept that sadly is enough to cater knuckle draggers.
>>150681225Make Shrike less spazztastic and turn Biggs into a goofy dude like how he was originaly designed to be.Their chemistry as it stands is terrible.Better yet make Dark Ace >>150667218 the main character as some sort of morally ambiguous anti-hero with a bounty on his head. Now that would be a decent premise.
>>150683216I'm not even a fan of the cat characters, I'm just going off of what could have the potential to get more popular than the current protagonists.
>>150663418>mentally ill young boys*and 30 year old men
>>150654014>two male leads, but none of them are hot enough to attract the fujos>sci-fi, but lore and characters aren't interesting enough to lure in the lore autist >comedy but not wacky or colorful enough to attract tweensLiked the episode though.
>>150677515That's always been the message when it came to Youtube animation. Has there ever been a point where that's not been a thing?
>>150683286What is Biggs like?
>>150682940The BG/secondary waifues are basically picrel.
>>150683969But big red lady doesnt look like this...
>>150683969Don’t lie
>>150680120Lol that's pretty different from 64 dollars
>>150684079Tezzorre is just the red lady in pic but taller and with 1 tri-eye. She even has the same clothes.
>>150684104Post your favorite BG waifues Anon, there's definitely no shortage of them.
>>150684595Oh all right. I like smarties.
>>150684550I really dislike character designs like this. There isn't really a comprehensible logic to their body plan. and it feels like they have "negative volume" due to the floaty bits and concave lines.
>>150684649The logic is that she's thick and curvy
>>150684663Sh’e got the conventional bust-waist-hips ratio
>>150654240No business model should revolve around the algorithm noticing you. That's basically like expecting to win the lottery. If you don't have a plan for how to get your project noticed that doesn't involve it showing up in people's recommends then you don't have a business plan.
>>150685157I'm pretty sure it says enough when you have multiple creators of popular indie shows, popular VAs shouting you out and it STILL isn't doing shit. Though let's be real, he's still doing better than alot of other indie cartoons who would kill for the reach Zeurel has. He's just pissed that he's not seen in the same tier as Digital Circus, Helluva Boss and Space King. He could humble himself by being more thankful for what he's got which could attract more but the attitude that you DESERVE the bigger numbers will never work on your favor.
>>150679842Dont try to defend this piece of shit>>150683216They are just a few of them, most of the other filler characters have tentacles, one or more eyes, float, crawl, or look like clouds of flesh.I guess some of them are within your fetishes, so relax.>>150684649An here is one that want more humanized designs, every sick gooner here is so hard to please.>>150684753This.
>>150683969That's good tho
>>150654145I thought it was pretty good for pushing the objective.
>>150669847>>150669821Only the last two episodes and he has been slipping them in gradually. Its clearly he only feels its safe to put in waifus recently.
>>150685214>I'm pretty sure it says enough when you have multiple creators of popular indie shows, popular VAs shouting you out and it STILL isn't doing shit.The algorithm is fucked, and the rules for how it works changes every month. Theres also shit like how Punch Punch Forever got a "shadow ban" where it just wouldnt show up for alot of people. Even RLM has commented on how fucked it is.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5-b7v6EIzc
>>150669324He means those asexuals he tried pitching the dinosaur woman to. Never rely on alphabet people and furries aren't helpful in a bear economy
>>150685214>He's just pissed that he's not seen in the same tier as Digital Circus, Helluva Boss and Space King.Not to make excuses or be overly critical but comparing yourself directly to the top raking people in any field is basically setting yourself up for discouragement. You see this a lot with webcomic creators, too. They get discouraged because they are comparing their visibility to the most popular webcomics they follow, when the first step is just to be able to make the thing at all. Whatever the medium is, you're throwing yoruself into a rat race against thousands of other competitors that you likely had no idea existed because you've only seen the top 1% and not the mountain of lesser known stuff that they've outperformed.
>>150654014>Can it even be salvaged at this point?Kill off the main cast. Make it about cute alien girls and watch the money roll in.
He fucked up by not posting all of it on his channel, he could've made a few random short animations in-between to attract people who didn't know about the show
>>150677591Boomers dont realize they have the same faces as the koopas in the live action Mario brothers movie
>>150683969I wonder what the walrus women look like.
>>150684550Speaking of when she called Sanchez out on reaping the benefits of his LAW suit I thought about it and I dont think he has actually even tried to impersonate a LAW officer and few even recognized his uniform. I dont think he has abused anything except the guns he got from them.
>>150685594I don't get why it seems like indie people did not learn the lessons of early Adult Swim. You make stuff on a budget where you can let the writing or VA work carry the presentation then once in a while you could go all out with animation as a surprise to the audience. I still remember how Squidbillies randomly had detailed animation during a chase scene which makes that stuff stand out more and could really show your skill. Alot of these cartoons don't need to be 20 - 30 mins long. Make them 5 - 10 and just keep your crazy animation sequences once in a while to blow minds.
>>150685683That discrepancy was probably to show how Tezzorre assumes the worst for Shrike, only for him to prove her wrong in the end when he sacrifices himself to saves the day.But who knows what Shrike was doing in that uniform prior to the first episode. He had to have gotten his reputation somehow.
>>150685609and what does that proves?
>>150685784Maybe there are benefits of the suit beyond recognition and firearms? Maybe angry red triangle bitch is a hate-filled bitch that knows he’s a bum and doesn’t even want him to have the clothes on his back?
Would've it been more successful if it had been released in Newgrounds during the 2000s? Animators get less screwed there
>>150685253>An here is one that want more humanized designsNo, I just want designs that make a modicum of sense. You know how when you look at a robot or armor and your brain automatically starts to figure out how the joints work? I want that, not floating arms hologram face diamond thing.
>>150663418>I still don't know who the target audience for MW isZeurel himself
>>150677591Slop content is a phenomena in itself, probably pushed intentionally by the algo to make everything shittier and pave the way for AIslop.
>>150685742i think he couldve done everything exactly the same, but end each ep at 15 minsyou have a cliffhanger to get people to come back each time, and your eps come out with less dead time in between
>>150654014Jaw Bone's incessant swearing is cringe and not as funny as Zeurel thinks it is. The voice actor's delivery is aces tho
>>150685742>>150686332so much THIS, no one's asking for 30-minute episodes!
>>150663418>I still don't know who the target audience for MW is.I don't get it either it's like for Cowboy Bebop fans if they wished it was a kids show without the half naked woman and tomboy loli (which why even would they want that?)
>>150669798I need a list. NOW.
>>150672388Cowboy Bebop works because it mashes up two unrelated words to abstract the concept of a show. Monkey Wrench doesn't work because a monkey wrench is already a thing that exists.
>>150685863>Would've it been more successful if it had been released in Newgrounds during the 2000s?If it were released in the 00s in general it probably would've done better. I agree with the anon that said the series feels "old" in its inspirations and execution. If the OG TMNT came out today it wouldn't be a best seller and neither would something like Bone. It feels stale because the character archetypes and general space bounty hunter setting is the oppposite of a fresh concept. Knowing what potential audience you might be attracting is the basics of planning and marketing a work. Just look at Lackadaisy, it's about Southern America in the prohibition era and no one really gives a shit about that setting. That's why the author is on record saying she made all the characters cats so that from a purely aesthetic standpoint people would care and be interested in the story. Similar thing here. Space bounty hunter stuff doesn't have a draw right now and knowing that, you need to plan accordingly. How will you make people care about the characters if the premise isn't inherently interesting to the present-day audience?
>>150688739You're right that a monkey wrench is a thing, but a Monkey and a Wrench are also two unrelated words that this show is attempting to use in a way similar to things like Bebop. Granted this show doesn't relate its title to the themes of the show as well as Bebop did, but the show's story also isn't complete yet so we really don't know how the title ties into everything.
>>150677603He's a voice actor in a cartoon. Doesn't matter what he looks like since you never even see his face. I just care that his voice is unpleasant to listen to.That's part of the biggest problem, IMO. Ideally you'd want the audience to like the main character, or find them charismatic, or feel emotionally invested in them. But I don't feel like that about Shrike.
>>150681225First of all if you are going to be your own self made Editor for your own passion project then you need to swallow your pride and actually know what has the potential to pull your audience, what doesn't pull them in and learn to control your impulses to insert stuff that can be saved for later. I'll give a breakdown of what stuff can be either taken out or what should have been added in or rewritten.MW Ep.1/Pilot:>Remove any Kara early appearances in the first couple of episodes of the series and let her just have cameos via T.V. news or posters. Give her just a bit more of an alien appearance to her Cat Furry Form, maybe giving her porcupine fur and giving her four eyes or something.> Get rid of random Spanish speaking words that Shrike tends to spout sometimes or just have them say them when he is in a secluded and vulnerable position were no one can hear him speak those words as the series progresses.>Give Beebs and Shrike either unusual or somewhat appealing appearances. Beebs looks like a regular Human in the series, at least give him a some type of short Dog whiskered snout along with different colored eyes via Sclera and Iris and along with Beebs having to dye his hair a darker color because purebred Walrinians tend to have a higher lighter tone of brown/grey/white/orange hair for their kind.> Get rid of Scratch and Scritch for this episode as they don't add anything but extra bloat for the episode and I distain their ordinary appearances when they should be some type of aliens.>Tone down the silliness and immaturity that the series has early during it's inception and don't have characters like 12yr olds like Shrike, Tyneen, Jaw Bone and Ricket.> Have L.A.W. agents get into contact with Beebs and Shrike and tell them to be on the look for a high profile target that is royalty, goes by the name Norbert Potoo and must be returned into a secured L.A.W. department area where they will be safe at and to get their reward. -Continued
>>150681225>>150689867>Change Monkey Wrench title to 'Striking Outs' or 'Carving Out Lucks' or any other distinguishable title.>Don't make Bird Guy/Norbert Potoo so annoying and have him secretly look up info on Shrike+Beebs via a secret implant on his body and he, as well as the audience, find out that Beebs is a Half-breed Walrinian and Shrike has the Endling status. >Have Tyneen and her crew catch wind somehow that Shrike and Beebs have a high profile reward on their ship and scraps with them for the reward money.>Don't reveal it so early within the series but make Shrike and Tyneen the love interests for each other and possibly aro-ace lovers.>Keep all episodes somewhere in the length of 15-27 minute episodes.>Add either a third or fourth character to the main cast as Shrike+Beebs cannot carry the series on their own.>Nearing the end of the Pilot have the Queen/Matriach Potoo mention, once they are out of earshot at least, that Norbert is to never take such risks again as their kind had been raided in the past for their meat and bones a couple of times in the past and she doesn't want to end up losing him.Zueral has the potential to make a good series with Monkey Wrench but he needs to know how to handle it first.
>>150684649so you prefer you're woman.... convexhttps://files.catbox.moe/5j8u65.png
>>150690290>you'reesl'ds myself i am sleep deprived european pls don't kill me
>>150690290
>>150690965bless be zeurel i love the woman he made
>>150690992Same, shame there is not a lot of fan art.
>>150654014Ok, this episode's pretty good, it explains some of the lore and I'm even tolerating Shrike's voice
>>150654014>eyy i'm walking here!ha, italian new yorker reference
>>150690290Can you make her fat?
The villains should have moustaches so you know they're villains and you know what else all indie animations lack? A kick-ass intro song.How are you supposed to sell something if you don't have a cool 1 minute intro to remember it by?This is why Vivziepop's bullshit got so popular, it had plenty of songs.
>>150654014no fuckable prominiate female characters
>>150691200I would’ve liked to have seen a mustache on any of these characters
>>150691160https://files.catbox.moe/p2z3tk.pngyou mean more convex!
>>150686162The moon shit isnt slop
>>150691268That’s what I’m talking about. Thank you. Please draw more BG waifus if you can find them pleasing.
>>150691218What's wrong with Tyneen and Kara?
>>150681225Recast Shrike.
>>150691347Lame
>>150691347>imminent_rape
>>150691494small_dom_big_sub
>>150685452When are Beebs and Shrike gonna go to Risa
>>150691347Need Tyneen to impregnate Kara
>>150654014>300k viewsThe new Hazbin trailer got that in less than an hour kek
>>150691305It's not AIslop but it sure is slop
>>150692097So, your bisexual cartoon about queer demons in gay hell is more popular?
>>150692431lol
I hate how the main characters look. Redesign the fucking Bart Simpson worm thing.
>>150692527>Comparing the admiration of one character for a assassin against an entire rooster of gay demons in a gay world.You fags really dont know how to defend your asses, in both ways.
