>Raven x DamianThe fact they had to age Raven down for it to work proves just how stupid and pointless the pairing is essentially. It feels more like an excuse for modern writers to ship their cartoon childhood crush with a modern protagonist that they can somewhat relate to (because he's not super-powered, basically).I'm not saying BBRae is better, either. Most of the pairings involving Raven seem to be shit overall.
a zootopia thread died for this
>>150654232I like it, they both have parental issues so it gives "two broken souls need to fix each other"
>>150654232>age downShe's 16ish and Damian is 12 at the youngest, not weird.
>>150655519Raven is a grown ass woman and Damian is 14 in main canon, Raven's most popular version might be 16, but that isn't the case in the comics.
>>150654232I never like it when they try to make Robin Damian work with Robin Dick's Titans.They tried it in Rebirth too, but as they kept debooting and bringing back old canon, they finally decided to just give Damian his own team instead of aging Dick's peers down.
>>150654232I mean, this specific pairing isn't particularly popular because it didn't translated to another medium. The amount of fanart is barely a blip and Damian is instead paired with other characters.
>>150654232I agree, Damian is for Catwoman only
>>150655587Damian is just not a compelling character period
>>150654232We get it, op.You are a butthurt Timfag upset that Damian gets pussy while Tim gets dick.
Beast boy fag seething over his ship only being used for self insert and porn kek
>>150655549They just moved Damian into Raven's generation since he was the current Robin. She was a teenager during the Judas Contract film like she was during the comic arc.
>>150655035By that logic cass and damian would be perfect for each other.
>>150654232Honestly, Damian's just a bad character.They had a shot with them, and they fumbled it.He's just not compelling and is eventually going to go the way of Punchline.There's just no point in wasting Raven on him to appease pathetic Robin fags. Dick's going to be your Robin for life, even as Nightwing.
>>150655519Fuck you mean of course she was aged down. Raven is pushing 30. Damian is 14.
>>150658400What is the relationship between Cass and Damian?I feel like they’d get along well as favorite siblings due to their similar pasts.
>>150655587>>150657514Please, this isn't even the first robin who dick's titans have been aged down for, didn't they do the same thing for Tim, in Johns Teen Titans.DC just for some reason, maybe a lack of creativity, feel the need to do a Teen Titans book with teens, but need to have Beast Boy, Starfire and Raven there.Which leads to them getting aged down for Tim and then Damian.Ironically when they finally gave Damian an original team, it was kinda liked at first but was a total waste because they always planned for Damian to turn evil at the end. Basically, ruining that team and the new characters within it.DC are a bunch of retards.>>150658494They pretty much have never really interacted, to get a feel for their relationship. Just a handful of times spread across their history.
>>150655035Don’t know why people want to steal Beastboy’s girl when Damian already has his own goth gf Flatline
>>150655587Agreed, there’s a bunch of teen heroes you can pair Damian with instead. Crush, Impulse, Teen Lantern, Jon Kent, Blue Beetle, Djinn, Respawn, Ravager
>>150654232The only worthwhile Damian ship is with Jon
>>150658494they dont meet often if ever its embarrassing how untapped they both are no idea why.
>>150659183Jon better not try hitting on Damian, that fucking fag
>>150655035She'd work better with Superboy then on account of them both having daddy issues surround their supervillian fathers.
>>150654232It worked fine for that specific line of movies. Their character arcs had similar themes and they were both abrasive shitheads, so it felt natural.
>>150658776No one got aged down for Tim's stint on the Titans, the NTT characters in the book were explicitly much older than the ones ported in from YJ.>>150658494Damian and Cass have incredibly different pasts. As far as their interpersonal relationship goes, the one interaction that brought it up ended with Cass judo flipping Damian into the ground; the takeaway being Cass has zero patience for Damian's bullshit.
>>150659183>they make a Robin gay>its Tim, who was straight for nearly all his existence>they make a Superboy gay>its an aged up Jon, instead of KonIts honestly funny because people gay-shipped Tim and Kon for decades.
>>150659929It is an impressive level of fuck up that they managed to make the wrong Robin and the wrong Superboy gay at the same time.
>>150658461They're too pussy to go for a Raven x Dick route because of the predictable BBRae fag meltdown
>>150659863>No one got aged down for Tim's stint on the TitansRaven technically did iirc
>>150658494They've interacted only like two or three times in canon, it's a massive waste that they don't have any stories together.
>>150658776>DC just for some reason, maybe a lack of creativity, feel the need to do a Teen Titans book with teens, but need to have Beast Boy, Starfire and Raven there.It's this fucking show anon, this fucking show has changed how anything Teen Titans is made, this is what DC is chasing, we just can't fucking move on.This is the main reason I want TTG to end, because it keeps the legacy of this show alive and doesn't let us move on into something new for the franchise, I'm so fucking tired of variations of this roster, and I'm so fucking tired DC constantly trying to replicate it in fucking everything they do with the Titans.
>>150659009They watched the DCAMU, that's it.But also, Raven was technically never a love interest for Beast Boy, at least not in the show, it was mainly fan stuff that shipped them together, which then made its way into the comics and other adaptations like TTG.It's also actually a bad ship, but DC won't let it go just like they won't let go trying to capture the popularity of the original Teen Titans show.
>>150658400Yes & they should still have that brother sister bond too.
>>150658776It's honestly kinda amazing how they fumbled Damian's Titans so hard because they really wanted to make him DC's Magneto in 5G, now Damian's bridges with characters like Kid Flash and Red Arrow are basically all burned down and the Teen Titans series is on limbo.
>>150654232It was a decent plot in that movie. Damien is a pompous little shit who feels alienated from everyone, then he meets someone who is the same way (but possibly worse) but because of external circumstances instead of because she's a shit and her reaction to this is much different from his and he becomes wiser from her example.
>>150659009Damien X Flatline just worked. A pairing between fun girl x serious guy works better than serious guy x serious girl with major daddy baggage. Flatline did help Damien socialize with the contestants on Lazarus Island. They had fun together playing on the beach.
>>150661127be prepared for the Gunnverse to be the same roster (the only question is which Robin they use)
>>150659863>No one got aged down for Tim's stint on the Titans, the NTT characters in the book were explicitly much older than the ones ported in from YJ.Huh? I thought Beast Boy and Raven were de-aged, to be closer in age to Tim. While Starfire was still older, serving as a mentor though.Which is just like DC Rebirth and DCAMU, Starfire mentoring, de-aged Beast boy and Raven.This guy seems to think Raven got hit with the de age >>150661070Honestly its been a while I can't remember>the one interaction that brought it up ended with Cass judo flipping Damian into the ground; the takeaway being Cass has zero patience for Damian's bullshit.That is one of a few interactions. And you misremembered it, Cass was troubled by Clayface death, was aimlessly walking around the mansion, unfamilar with its layout, wondered into Damian's room, he grabbed her by her arm from behind and actually, kind of politely for Damian, told her its his room and she should find some place else to think. And then she flipped him, unaware who it was, only stopping after realizing it was just him.Doesn't really say much, with how troubled she was at the time, and damian grabbing her from behind, I think she would've treated them the same.There first interaction was under synder just before the New52, where they ended up getting along after some struggles understanding each other at first. Relatively standard. And recently its just been light friendly family BS, which says nothing.>>150661175Yep, its even funnier when you read that series and it seems like, only part way through the writers realized that having Damian turn evil, might reflect badly on their new teens, so towards the end they hastily try to shift all the blame onto damian. With the characters making excuses. No, Damian made us do these bad things, we aren't bad. Hell, the main flash book, thought it was so shit, it blamed everything Kid Flash did on fucking Reverse Flash hypnotizing him to lose his morals.
>>150661127Is Cyborg still a founding member of the Justice League or has that been retconned?
>>150661127the show is good though. you can't deny its legacy, anon.
>>150663089Beast Boy did have his age slid down a bit; Gar was originally 21 in the BB miniseries (which was written by Johns) but he was made 19 so the age gap with him and de-aged Raven would supposedly not be too creepy.Raven should've been 24 like the other NTT-era folks, but resurrection and de-aging shenanigans led to her being 16. There could've been something to explore with her mental/chronological age being more than her new body, but Johns was all on about blood, guts, shock, and pushing BBRae as a way of self-inserting on his and his wife's favorite characters. Of course he didn't get to even do that much with them due to so much shake-ups going on with what to do with the characters.Back in the day, it was a debate if it was 100% Johns, Berganza's BS (he did force the Bart Kid Flash edict and some other stuff), or Berganza enabling or not wrangling Johns enough but the last option is most likely.
>>150659112Is Ravager really still a teen? She should be about 20-21 by now.No way Connor is a teen, he was a young adult way back in the Dixon run.Or are you just going to cite Nu52/Rebirth era compressed timeline age fuckery?
>>150659863Raven was de-aged, put in the body of a 16 year old and retconned into being ethnically Jewish.Also, Beast Boy was de-aged to still qualify as a teen, and lost all the maturity he gained in New Titans and Titans 99.
>>150663105It's messy. Lee is still the big boss, so they won't dump the shitty Nu52 JL arc. He's part of the proto-Justice League that fought off Darkseid, then gets put on ice for a few years so he can join the New Teen Titans. The official Justice League doesn't form till the big 7 fight Starro.
>>150661127>>150661152I mean true, and it would be cool to see the titans branch off, like Raven going to the Justice League Dark, Beastboy with Jaime Reyes’ crue, Cyborg as Mr.Terrific’s protege, etc. But I think they’re too synonymous with the Titans at this point. And people need some closure since the show never had a proper ending, then I think people could start to move on. But right now it would be like the Justice League replacing the Trinity. If only someone would remember that Young Justice exists, they can be the new “Teen” Titans
>>150664052>Justice League DarkFuck off with all of that.>Cyborg as Mr.Terrific’s protegeCyborg has years of superhero experience on Mr. Terrific. Fuck off even harder.The Titans should be allowed to be the Titans. Embrace what made them unique and popular and stop trying to chase the popularity of a 20 year old kids cartoon or the Johns era Jr. Justice League shit. At their peak they were this wild mix of horror and space opera and political thriller and modern fantasy, but since Wolfman left it's been capeshit all the way down.
>>150661127Is there a way to fix the damage 2003 TT and TTG caused to the IP?
>>150663523Funny thing is that Johns seemed to be pushing the older Gar with Bette as some slow-burn thing that would've taken off in the scrapped Titans LA series, where Terra II would try to come between them but find out she was genetically the original (or a clone or something).He wanted to recycle that for his BBRae plot in Teen Titans, but Terra II got put on the chopping block for 52 and Gar was shuffled off to the Doom Patrol in hopes of starting their own series. He even seemed to regress Bette back to being obsessed with Dick when he had Miss Martian intercept her thought of "Aunt Kathy's back in Gotham, I wonder if Nightwing has a girlfriend?"Guess once he'd lose taste in one waifu to insert on as the green guy, he'd pick up another and Raven was that.
>>150664419You'd have to go back in time and stop DiDio from having the idea to greenlight Johns' TT to go alongside the 2003 series (even if it was so different), or convince Sam Register that Peter David's hybrid Young Justice/TT pitch would be the way to go.
>>150664192I’m just saying, they have been stuck in limbo with the Titans, fighting the same enemies. It’d be cool if they could branch out and evolve a bit, maybe grow their rogues gallery a bit. Let Beastboy fight the Reach with BB for a while, and pick up some new alien transformations. Etrigan can teach Raven to embrace and harness her demonic heritage and abilities. Starfire and Jessica Cruz can have cute space adventures together > At their peak they were this wild mix of horror and space opera and political thriller and modern fantasyI agree with this. They took the wrong lessons from the cartoon. People love the characters and their interactions, not necessarily the cartoonish shenanigans, that was just due to the limitations of being a kids cartoon
>>150664419Go back to ripping off the X-Men.HoX/PoX = Titans Together/Titans TomorrowThe main Titans book reboots to star Nightwing as he moves around the newly global Titans franchise to avoid whatever bad future is set up in Together/Tomorrow.Launch a bunch of side-books to cover different genres. Team Titans as the widescreen action book, Terror Titans with magic/horror, Defiance with for hire antihero spy fiction, Omega Men off in the Vega system and the wider DC Cosmic. Launch Tales of the Teen Titans to adapt the popular original stories from the cartoon like Masks, Apprentice, Red X, etc..
>>150664654>Team Titanshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60Fd0AXpM2M
>>150664612I'd rather see them expand the Titans franchise and their role in the DC universe than move the Titans into other areas of the DCU universe and the generic Justice League X spin-offs.
>>150664696That's hilarious. Is that a well-known episode? Do modern fans not know about the 90s book?
>>150664766Murakami retooled Killowat into a bootleg Inazuman so 03-only people only know him that way and not his buddies.Would be awkward times for a Killowat stan to discover his abortive racism arc.
>>150664782The thing is, Killowat, Redwing, etc. were all wiped out in Zero Hour, but we're almost at the original time the Total Chaos bad future was meant to happen. So you could reintroduce Charlie and the others as teens.
>>150664865Jimenez acknowledged them in his Donna annual story too. Could be funny to see them pop up like nothing happened, or reinvented.
>>150664871They're just kids out in the world. The Titans recruit them because they remember their older alt-timeline selves. They can all get retooled personalities, costumes, and even origins, because they weren't growing up in Lord Chaos' dystopia. Basically just an excuse to reuse the character designs.
>>150655035Nice Pinterest filename.
>>150658400Wait thats perfectOlder Cass and younger Damian
That ship screamed "self insert" or at least author's pet because Damian was already the clear favorite of the writers, so of course he gets with Raven, the fan favorite Titan.
>>150665845Every ship is self insert for you
In partial defense of Raven x Damian, the Teen Titans cartoon & even one comic did build strong chemistry between Raven & Dick. Both are defined by their tragic pasts but Robin used it to become a hero that goes on to inspire Raven in her darkest hour. It's probably what inspired the Damian ship.
>>150664472Didio promoting the YJ kids to Titans was part of his plan for one of his gimmicks to promote the YJ4 into the role of their mentors (like the Titans of Tomorrow), which only kind of happened to Bart before he was killed off because of sales. That idea never came to fruition and got bastardized to because 5G, but the whole impetus for the Johns run was for Superman/Batman/WW/Flash to be eventually replaced by Kon-el/Tim/Cassie/Bart.
>>150663105He was around for the Darkseid fight, but he wasn't part of it when they became a Justice League properly.
>>150666252I can remember the weird (low) effort they put into making fake Fastest Man Alive solicits to hide it was ending and Bart's death, and how the writers got tomatoed so badly on ComicBloc by one particular Bart fan that they swore off social media.
>>150664419No because sadly those are the only things that made Teen Titans mainstream.
>>150666495That's like saying DKR and Year One and Burton Bats could never happen because SuperFriends was a thing.There's always room for growth.
>>150665845And Geoff Johns said he made bbrae because beast boy is favorite and raven is his ex-wife's favorite
>>150666871Well, don't think he ever spelled it out like that himself but it was something both fans and haters of the ship noticed in one early TPB profile of Johns when it said Anissa's fav was Raven, and he was all on about how Gar was his in interviews.Thunder in the Outsiders wound up named after his then-wife as a favor from Winick too, since having a Cassandra/Cassie there and the TT team was deemed too much.
>>150659009The DCAMU came out before she was introduced
>>150654232I don't like Damian as a character, he's just Jason again.
>>150660937>because of the predictable BBRae fag meltdownOh please, how bad can it be?
>>150654232Don't worry. I'll take care of it.
>>150668673>The result was an even worse universe and the death of the multiverse.Fuck you Flash, you're useless, and your mom deserved to die.
>>150660937There are better ships for both.Dick x BabsDick x MeganDick x ShawnDick x RoseRaven x JoeyRaven x Kory
Raven is for Beast Boy only
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>>150663291The show was good, I'm not denying its legacy, I'm just tired of it.I truly believe that every new Teen Titans project being so influenced by TT03 has only been a bad thing. DC just keeps chasing that high that they'll never achieve again, it's tiring and it only limits what the Teen Titans can be.
>>150666566Okay, maybe I'm being overly pessimistic, I just can't see DC suddenly deciding to try do something actually new and different with the Titans at this point, they're not like Batman.
>>150672327Titans are part of WW's editorial, that's how bad DC views Titans.
>>150671801beast boy is still busy chasing Terra
>>150665845Damien was the de facto protagonist of those TT movies because he was the common thread linking them to the Batman movies in the same universe. Raven is the most popular female Titan and was closely connected to the main plot of the first TT movie, so she got to be his love interest. There may or may not have been some favoritism going on, but either way the ship wasn't some arbitrary decision out of nowhere, it actually did make sense from the standpoint of writers trying to maximize the efficiency of characters' screentime.
>>150657514>Damian is just not a compelling character periodhe's DC's ultimate nepo baby whose only main compelling feature is being blood-related to a guy who already has like four kids plus two basically adopted-but-not-officially kids. "OH BUT HE'S ALSO A NINJA TRAINED BY THE LEAGUE!" you mean along with literally every other batman character, anyone trained by Bruce is basically trained by the League+everyone else he mentored under, those Tibetan monks have the most successful disciple lineage in the world.also Jason fucking Damien's mom will never stop being hilarious, the bat family is such a dysfunctional mess it's ridiculous
>>150660937dick needs to get married in a traditional tamaranean throuple to babs and kori and just let the love triangle shit diedamian's cute with flatline and Raven should stay as part of dick's generation, aging her down and decanonizing her stint with the teen titans alongside Dick is retarded
>>150664419Finally end TTG and make a new Teen Titans adaptation, this time focusing on the Fab Five.
>>150654232It happens in Perez Teen Titans too
>>150672525Current comic Raven isn't deaged, but she communicates with only beast boy. Her relationship with other titans doesn't exist
>>150672568Somehow, this is Derrick J. Wyatt's fault.
>>150672527It's honestly kinda sad how Donna got cucked out of adaptations.
>>150672396Most books don't have their own editorial. For the longest time there were two editorial offices in DC, Batman and Superman. They split into four editorial offices during Nu52 and currently have three, so TT being under WW editorial is correct in as much as everything not under Superman or Batman editorial is the same way.WW herself used to be under Superman until Rebirth.
It was okay for what it was.
>>150672617Then does Raven have to be stuck with Dick's generation at this point? She currently doesn't have a meaningful communication with his generation beside beast boy
>>150672456He’ll get Terra eventually
>>150672751Because she was part of the team when he was.
>>150672793Terra needs therapy or something, I know she has suffered and shit, but that doesn't excuse all the shit she keeps doing.
