Thoughts on the movie Fire and Ice?
>>150655673It's kino despite the terrible pacing
It's a classic animated film using Franzetta art & hand-traced rotoscoping. Underappreciated even in it's own time. Worthy of anyone's animation collection.I saw it in the theaters, back when we used to ride the family Brontosaurus down to the lava pits to get warm & watch the sky-rocks fall from the night sky. Ungah.
NECRON
>>150655673Looks cool, but the story sucks.
>>150655673its awesome.
Ill tell you when I watch it
>>150655855Batman and Vampirella
>>150655673>IMMAFUG YOU BITCH
>>150655673Good movie desu
>>150655673It's rad as fuck
>>150655673Decent animated Frazetta content, he didn't have many animated collaborations so it's easier to appreciate what he did get.I recall Dynamite Comics started a comic adaptation that tries to expand the plot a little, but it seems they halted for a year now? Licensing troubles or problems with the artists and writers?
>>150655673I find it pretty similar to Beastmaster movie.
>>150657058"WHY WON'T YOU DIE!"
I've always got a few criticisms that pop up while I'm watching it, but the aesthetic is so great that I brush them aside and am always happy to watch it again.
>>150655673Rotoscope: the movie
>>150655673>>150657058>>150657308>we will probably never ever get Frank Frazetta-esque dark fantasy media with skimpily dressed sluts and over the top violence againProfound sadness.
thick robust bountiful plot enormous blossoming themessupple well-rounded characters
>>150658013Don't forget Sean Conney as the Fire King.
>>150657469Sure, but it's hard to disagree with the assets.
>>150657474Who do we blame for this? Boomers or millennials?
>>150657474Do it yourself
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>>150657469Compared to Bakshi's Lord of the Rings, Fire & Ice's rotoscoping was easier on the eyes. Characters in LOTR were barely painted over half the time.
>>150655742>/threadGreater than the sum of its parts/10
Darkwolf is the goatHe pretty much soloed Nekron's whole ice fortress
>>150659208Both.
>>150659826Full picture
>>150657474Step up and make one then you pussy. I would watch it.
>>150657474Yes yes women, and all thatBut would there be dinosaurs?
>This scene awakened something in me as a kid I thought she was knocked out
>>150655673Out of all the scenes from Fire and Ice, is there any particular reason you chose that frame? But yes, it's one of Bakshi's best. Makes me long for more animated adventure epics for adult audiences.
Rotoscoping is bullshit
Why was releasing the lava so bad? It pretty much solved their problems and destroyed the ice kingdom. How did Darkwolf resist Nekron's will?
>>150655673Why didn't the wizard want her as a bride?
>>150660949It was too destructive. So they had to wait to see if there was another way
>>150661092GAAAAAYYYYY
>>150655855Amazing.
>>150660949>How did Darkwolf resist Nekron's will?Darkwolf was supposed to be Nekron's father, but the scene was cut.
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>>150659208Boomers, they didn't make any good movies in this style when they had the chance and pulled up the ladder behind them anyway
>>150661092If this was your mother you'd reject women and embrace the cold too.
>>150661216it didn't look that bad when all was said and done, better than nekron turning everything into an icy barren landscape. >>150661358Woah why did they cut that, it would've been something they could just mention briefly or something. Darkwolf was kinda OP so when it happened I just assumed he was too badass for mindcontrol.
>>150659208Women and queers
>>150658013Niiiiiiice
>>150655673Why was it called it like that?
>>150659208Young boomers made Frazetta popular to begin with.
>>150661438>Bullshit lotr adaptation that doesn't even finish the story>No high budget animated movies based on shit like Buck Rodgers or Lensmen >No animated movies about silver age comics they grew up reading>Allowing Disney to destroy non kiddie animation piece by pieceBoomers really dropped the ball on making cool shit pretty hard actually
>>150655673it was cold but hot
>>150664111Ralph Bakshi is silent generation not a boomer.
>>150659763Well, I guess it helps that mooks don't look dudes in ape masks.
>>150664150Right but all the young people in the industry at the time were boomers and completely dropped the ball on making cool shit like fire and ice. They let Disney dominate and only ever tired to compete with discount Disney shit
>>150655673it's pretty goated
>>150655673The rare finished Bakshi movie.
>WHAT PUNISHMENT DOES FAILURE DEMAND?!This line go hard
hottest pg film released in the usa. show it to a boy on the cusp of puberty
>>150664337>Not so close. You'll burn it. >I've always lived close to a fire.
>>150655855Thats Rebekah McDonald.
>>150655673I'll be honest with you Anon. I haven't seen it. I can only apologize.
>>150661216>How did Darkwolf resist Nekron's will?His own. Sword and sorcery is, above all else, about man's own will.
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>>150664218Someone's gotta fund the movie, anon.
>>150659826>Barges into the plot>Kills all the bad guys with basically no help from the actual protagonists>Doesn't elaborate further>Poses like a metal album cover instead of leaving
>>150663470Watch the finale of the movie
>>150667391That's my entire point, tardass. Boomers had the best opportunity to get cool shit actually funded and fucked it up. By the time gen x comes along with an appreciation for adult animation from early anime, animated movies are automatically made as shit for kids
This might be that one fantasy cartoon I saw as a kid but never saw again ever since? All I remember is a scene with some room full of women in some drugged up near orgy state, and some kind of monster who started to abuse them, and it was really creepy but everyone seemed to be into it (except the heroes infiltrating the place). It was either some mind rape thing or they had to submerge in some liquid. Shit it was like 35 years ago, I don't even remember any more details, can't even rake up a proper memory of it, but it has been in the back of my mind ever since.Always thought it was something like an episode of Thundarr the Barbarian or one of those other Hanna-Barbera shows on Cartoon Network (pretty sure that's where I saw it, in the early 90s)
>>150667715It's not a generational thing. The boomers who were into adult animation and fantasy simply weren't the same people who'd have the money to fund such risks. Bakshi(silent gen, not a boomer, but borderline and working in the same era boomer animators would've been) still had to scrounge for money well into his 80's.
>>150668850The story of Bakshi's Lord of the Rings is extremely interesting
>>150668850You're not getting me. The boomers funding stuff, the boomers into adult animation who didn't push for it more or seek better funding, they're all to blame. Terrible taste and safe by the numbers mentality that ruined animation for decades
>>150669035>n who didn't push for it more or seek better fundingand you know this..how? Because by all that's been told, getting even these mediocre movies made was an uphill battle. It's why they're plagued by cut budgets and shortcuts. There's not some magical deeper source that was going to give them better funding if they just tried harder.
>>150660855>Out of all the scenes from Fire and Ice, is there any particular reason you chose that frame?To be fair, she looks like that the entire movie
>>150655673Really depends on how you feel about rotoscoping, really either a love or hate situation from that imo.
>>150669352>There's not some magical deeper source that was going to give them better funding if they just tried harder.And you know this how? But to answer you I know this because it's how things played out. They couldn't make any cool adult animation, never really tried to the point that it became basically impossible and now we're here with no good stuff besides small gems like fire and ice. Boomers lived in a very prosperous time and dropped the ball on maintaining society. Simple as
>>150660949>How did Darkwolf resist Nekron's will?Made his saving throw
>>150669024There's alternate reality where instead of Excalibur it actually was a LOTR production as first intended. Early 80s fantasy was kind of a wild west of ideas before it went back to pure schlock by the end of the decade.
Love me some Frankie FrazI wish fantasy still had balls
>>150671074>There's alternate reality where instead of Excalibur it actually was a LOTR production as first intendedWHAT?!
>>150671112It was a time when they were willing to try a lot of new things because of the success of things like Star Wars.
>>150671074It must be truth. When a lie is told a part of the world is murdered.
>>150655673Excellent animation dragged down by garbage writing. Wasted potential.
>>150671159Conan was a big game changer too. Lot of people trying to cash in on that.
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>>150659208It's bad timing more than anything else. It peaked during a particular time when sleazy exploitation was the norm in low to mid budget movies and became a favorite genre of studios and indie film makers looking to make sleaze, so it acquired a reputation as cheap pseudo-porn. As a result, nobody took much of an interest in doing anything more ambitious with it, and younger generations consequently never got exposed to it in the first place.
>>150655673I wish it had more porn
>>150655673What movie was this, and Is It an American?
>>150673556All boards ought to have flags.
>>150672407Same, man. Same...
makes the ass bigger each chance the animator get
It is funny how originally Teegra wasn't going to wear a bikini at all, then they added in the bikini so as to not be rated X.
>>150674065WONDROUS tummy definition!
>>150674049Based Bakshi
>>150671166And all for lust
>>150674049UNGA WUNGA
Always freaked me out how Nekron looks normal until he uses his magic at which point his face completely hollows out
>>150664527>Don't hunt for death, boy. It finds us all soon enough.
>>150659882Why do her boobies glow?
>>150655673Fire and the Ice
>>150674459Even the random teacher was hot. How did a slap kill her?
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>>150657474>>150659208Disney, they destroyed the cheesecake in Marvel Comics by ensuring that no woman in the MCU would wear a leotard or a metal bikini like Valkyrie. Before that, they destroyed Dejah Thoris these woke mafia are saying fuck the consumers. Look at Wonder Woman's current costume. The games followed this rainbow way I think the only way out is to answer with your pocket.
>>150661092Honestly, not even joking here, I'm convinced he was a homosexual.Look how he acted when the brother was there compared to Teegra.
>>150675483Tan lines
>>150671159Well, it's a good thing since Excalibur is considered the definitive King Arthur movie. It's the yardstick all following King Arthur movies judged by.A Boorman LOTR movie have been a mess but would be be glorious mess.
>>150655673I love it and I'll go a step further and say rotoscoping has its place and was used well here
>>150655673I like It
>>150655855Based desu
>>150665883She's hot
>>150655673It's a movie that should have been made either ten years earlier or twenty years later.
>>150676460WAS she dead?
>>150676460The goon was choking her out before the slap. She suffocated.
>>150655673milk.
>>150681045Nah, perfect time. Since it was the right time to involve Frazetta in the production. Earlier and he would have had no interest or the notoriety. Any later and he wouldn't have been physically capable of being as involved as he was. He really showed the actors how to move to get the full effect of what they were going for.
>>150655673Can a artist draw the subhumans forcing Teegra to dance lewdly
>>150685537Lol I laughed when I heard they were literally called subhumans
>>150655673excellent pulp despite the pacing and the questionable rotoscoping at times.
There are hot orcs but there is only one and she only appears at the end for a few seconds
>>150671159Excalibur was so good >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C8fB8p6crY
Best hench
What was her plan here?
>>150655673Sorry oldhead, I prefer Fire and Ice the TV episode.
>>150657474The fantasy from this era had a lot of good looking women. I had a crush on that redhead in Beast Master.
>>150655673What can we do with Fire and Ice?
a song of fire and ice
>>150657077
Cynthia Leake is Teegra in Fire and Ice
Teegra could use more AI upscaling at /co/ imo
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>>150686691She's not even wearing panties.
>>150655673I like that the entire problem of the movie is that the villain is gay.
>>150659882This is art
>>150660118There are pterodactils.
>>150676859You can see the neuron activation when the hunky blonde shows up.
>>150686446>losing fair fight>cheat with magic like a bitch>hmm maybe i shouldnt have cheated>you have passed the trial, everything is fixedless than 1 minute of self reflection gets you everything you ever wanted in life neat lesson can see why britain failed
>>150686446dat armor>>150691559It was an important lessontoo bad nobody learned anything
>>150655673Unwashed pits
>>150691402Panties are an outer garment in pulp fantasy settings. Girls only wear them if, like Teegra, they aren't wearing anything else.
>>150661092He was gay. Which, considering his evil nature, makes all the sense.
>>150655673I like it, Bakshi is cool
>>150655673mid
This movie looks awesome
>>150691559He realized his mistake and immediately was humbled.>>150691586The armor looks cool but it kinda makes Arthur look like a villain, which I suppose for this scene makes sense since he did use the swords power in a moment of anger and fear.
>>150659882slopped and slammed
>>150672407Well I asked on co and aco drawthread for that
>>150695231Terrible.
