>fiercely loyal>not only reliably competent but also resourceful>respectful and humbleWhy is Megatron still such a fucking giga retard and kept a backstabbing snake like Starscream as his second in command?
>>150658550Shockwave too. He remained loyal to Megatron's cause even though he had no contact with him for 5 million years.
>>150658550>>150658612Megatron was an insecure faggot that kept Starscream around as his no. 2 to look good in comparison in front of the other decepticons
So was starscream justified?
>>150658550Really, just about every Decepticon was perfectly loyal to Megatron. It was only Starscream that was weird about wanting to be in charge or replace him. At best the Stunticons didn't really give a shit who was in charge, and Insecticons just wanted to go do their own thing. Nobody else had a strong opinion.
>>150658550>Why is Megatron still such a fucking giga retard and kept a backstabbing snake like Starscream as his second in command?Scream has his actual uses which is why Megs keeps him aroundMegs can take whatever Scream throws at himIf Scream takes it to far Megs beats, or kills him in some works.Better for Megatron to be his target than have Scream try to undermine anyone else, think of the zombie episode of Prime for instance.
>>150658550Probably because Megatron is not even remotely threatened by Starscream. He could kill Starscream any time he wants, Starscream cannot really hurt him at all on his best day.
>>150658795Remember when Starscream casually pushed Megatron out of airlock and crowned himself Queen of the Decepticons?
>>150659031Yeah that was a perfectly healthy Megatron that definitely had no battle damage from earlier that day whatsoever and it was a completely fair 1v1 fight too. Totally saw that!
>>150658550Tattletale.
>>150658550>>150658612Has either Soundwave or Shockwave ever assumed control of the Decepticons?
>>150659175Maybe his point is that it doesn't matter at all how much his second-in-command threatens him on his best day; what matters is how much your second-in-command has your back on your worst day and when you're most vulnerable.
>>150660692Well, Shockwave ran the show on Cybertron the whole time.
Soundwave Superior
>>150658724That was that whole mess in Triple Takeover
>>150658550Because Starscream makes him look better as a leader. Same reason good looking chicks have ugly friends. If anyone doesn't like Megatron, Starscream makes him look instantly better by comparison. And there is less of a chance of someone, anyone, supporting Starscream, and if they do, not for long. Soundwave would be too good a fall back option and people might actually follow him for the reasons you gave.
>>150658550Soundwave's a great spy but everyone hates him (at least in Budiansky's intended lore) because nobody likes a mind reading black mailing snitch on their team
>>150660839His cassettes like him
>>150658550Not even Shockwave was really useful, nigga only ended up creating more trouble with his crazy ass experiments. Soundwave and The Constructicons were the only decepticons worth a shit who actually got things done.
>>150658550its complicated
>>150660895what trouble did he cause?he saved everyone's ass that time Starscream wanted to blow up the Earth
>>150660692Shockwave ram the Decepticons a bunch of times given how he kept successfully overthrowing and beating the shit out of Megatron.And Soundwave was leading the movie era Decepticons after the movie in UK lore when Deaths Head killed Sockeave
>>150658612Bullshit. In the comics Shockwave was forever overthrowing Megatron to the point that it became Shockwave s defining character trait that he was Starscream but actually COMPETENT in his coups.
>>150660976that was the comics
>>150660989Comics Shockwave > Cartoon Shockwave to the point that Sunbow's version got wiped from existence and Comic Shockwave is the default version for every incarnation forward
>>150661023not true,a lot of versions merge the two versions. Where he's sometimes a loyal scientist hanging out on Cybertron and sometimes a guy with his own agenda
>>150660692the current Skybound comics had two arcs where Soundwave was the leader (though, one of them was also a Decepticon Civil War between him and Starscream's own faction of Decepticons)
>>150660896yknow, screamer kinda does act like a bpd chick. no wonder he was initially supposed to be a girl
>Starscream>second-in-commandIn the G1 cartoon and the start of Animated, maybe. But outside of some incredibly inconsistent (and ass) writing, Starscream has always been a few rungs down from being Megatron's right hand. Even the G1 Marvel comic never acknowledged him as such -- only the leader of his self-contained jet jerks. Now bots like Shockwave, Soundwave, Lugnut, Ravage, Cyclonus, and Armada's Devastator have actually been shown as Meg's second.
>>150660914yeah i lied i just dont trust him
Is it a proven fact that if you have Wave in your name you’re already one of the better and coolest characters?
>>150658612Yeah but he can't shoot for shit
>>150660692He immediately tried to take over after Starscream jettisoned Megatron
>>150658550Because the Decepticons are a dysfunctional family. But in a practical sense, it's because Starscream is the leader of the Seekers and they're the best warriors. So it makes more sense to make a leader as a co-leader as opposed to a sniveling sycophant.
>>150658550Who cares, no one would follow an uncharismatic bore like him!
>>150661736there's nothing cool about being a tape that turns into a dog>>150661364that was Ravage
>>150661736If I name my OC Heatwave or Radiowave, will it be loved?
>>150661736And Tidal Wave is the best out of all
>>150658550you answered your question with the first line of your green text, the others a loyal to a fault. Its better to keep your resident schemer under your thumb.
>>150658716Unironically yes. Megatron failed time after time and there needed to be change but the problem was Starscream wasn't ready because Megatron didn't properly groom him to eventually took over either
>>150661520>Even the G1 Marvel comic never acknowledged him as suchAll of the 1984 Decepticons except Megatron, Soundwave and Ravage were shockingly underused by the comic. Starscream doesn't really get anything notable to do until the Underbase Saga from #47-50, years into the series. Furman gave him a bigger role when he took over the book, but Budiansky really neglected him until near the very end of his run.
>>150663392And then you have RATBAT. That motherfucker.
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>>150658550Years ago when I was trying to write an epic Transformers "retelling," I basically likened Soundwave to Spock. Of Star Tracks.The idea is vague now, but it was something like... The Autobots and Decepticons are inherently the same "species," just with ideological differences. There was this whole thing with Quintessons and how Unicron was, for all intents and purposes, a "world eater" from a universe before this one, where Cybertron was the "rotting corpse" of one such pre-universe, planet-sized creatures. The Autobots and Decepticons were just successive generations of things you might liken to Antibodies and Viruses, fighting on a corpse.The ideas was, like, they're sentient robots, yeah? It was like Soundwave was what happened if Unicron tried to make his own sentient robot, intentionally. He'd be "the same, but different."This was like 19 years ago and I might be misremembering.
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>>150662266Who ya callin “uncrassamatic”?
>>150658550>fiercely loyal>let's Starscream throw Megs out into to space >to then immediately fight for Megs job position >Allowed Starscream to claim command in the G1 show >even work on project Megs didn't know about>>fiercely loyal<<Dude was a fucking quite quitting kind of worker, did what he was told. The only thing we got from the G1 cartoon is that he -kinda- cares about his chest minions.
>>150658612He was the only Con that would push back on Starscream's claims to power, everyone else went along with it, he out right go behind SS's back to secure Megs stayed in power.
>>150658724they were about as loyal to him as a McD's crew is to their shift manager, they'll do what they are told and don't care about the outcomes. Even season 3 the majority just ran with whoever paid the best.
>>150663392>>150663412the politics of Cybertron was surprisingly well fleshed out in that comic, and I think most people skip the early issues where Shockwave simply takes over on Earth because Megatron's being a wimp
>>150664137You can tell Bob's goal was to elevate the lower demand toys as opposed to the hot items everyone wanted.
>>150664170>Bob*Simon Furman
>>150660692Not in the cartoon. Shockwave was left alone on Cybertron for about 5 million years but it didn't look like he led anyone. It was him by himself sending drones after the female autobots the whole time.
>>150664216That's the cartoons budget being pocket lint and pennies. There's plenty of Cybertronians holed up around that time trying to stay far from Shockwave's influence. Why else do you think Autobot City popped up on Earth with tons of bots that hadn't been seen in the cartoon prior?
>>150660863Never got how the cassettes worked out.The whole show was pretty consistent in displaying how in every single fight, the bigger robot wins every single time. Except the Cassettes. Those little human sized guys would consistently beat the shit out of any robot 3-4 times their size.
>>150660914Starscream had an infinite energy generator, the absolute answer to every single problem a Cybertronian ever had and the sole reason they went to Earth in the first place. And all he thought to do with it is blow up the Earth and maybe somehow collect the residual energy from that.
>>150664216>>150664242Sorry, forgot to mention your main point: there were Decepticons on Cybertron, but we're off-screen. SW mostly preferred drones since they're more reliable than say, the Rainmakers.>>150664244Frenzy and Rumble taking on Skywarp remains one of the funniest scenes in cartoon history.
>>150660988No one cares what happened in comics retard. Fuck off.
>>150664268>/co/>Comics and CartoonsOh my... "comics" is even the first word. It seems you are retarded.
>>150658550Starscream was the only Decepticon scientist in the G1 cartoon so he got special treatment
>>150664288Constructicons seemed a little better than him at the mad science. Megatron also kidnapped Perceptor when he needed a real scientist around.
>>150664288>Starscream was the only Decepticon scientist in the G1 cartoonShockwave and Jetfire. The former even got the kinks to the space bridge worked out, much to Screamer's chagrin. Arkeville might as well be an honorary Decepticon too. Also >>150664338
>>150663540>>150663548how the fuck are those guys getting through doors?
>>150664358T-shaped holes.
>>150664347I think Shockwave might have killed Arkeville, or threw him away. He never appeared again after being taken to Cybertron. They should have just rebuilt him into a full bot like they did to Spike that one time. One of those second generation season 2 Decepticons like Dirge or Blitzwing should have been him remade.
>>150664392Probably old age lol. Though there was some suppimentary stuff written in well after the cartoon ended. Like building Alternators Nemesis.Arkevillie was always a lesser Braxis imo -- I preferred the dynamic Cy-kill had with him in Gobots.>"OH thank you for rescuing me, Cy-kill! Oh thank you thank you! I'll do anything you command!">"Then shut up."
>>150658550Megatron is jealous over the fact that it's Soundwave's face on the Decepticon emblem.
>>150658550Because that paints a target on Soundwave's back.
>>150661372>he was initially supposed to be a girlSauce?
>>150658550The ever-present threat of betrayal helps keeps Megatron on his toes.
>>150658550He wasn't evil enough.
>>150658550I always figured it's because Megatron knows that Soundwave is generally just so competent and integral to most of their operations running that second in command is technically a downgrade, since he's not only their spymaster and communications officer but also disciplinary since he basically monitors EVERYONE and not just Starscream for incompetence and treachery. Meanwhile, Starscream is one of their best fighters but also so much of a showboating know-it-all that he ironically gets less competent in his treachery the closer he is to his goals, as opposed to when he's basically ignored or booted from the Decepticons only to come back with a really crazy plan that actually works.Which basically means that it became easier to basically install Shockwave and Soundwave as his effective second-in-commands to do all the real heavy lifting while giving Starscream an in-name-only position to let him keep telling on himself about his plans to overthrow Megatron any day now to his face, right where Megatron can shoot him in the face if he tries to act on it. It's a really stupid situation, but the Decepticons are really weird as an organization in how their overall competence lessens the more loyal they are EXCEPT when it comes to Soundwave and Shockwave.
>>150664244Brawn beats up some bigger guys, too. His whole thing was being one of the strongest Autobots, despite his size.
Yeah, Star Saber's fine, but what Wing Saber!!?
>>150664800This.
>>150658550Because starscream could fly and besides being jewish he was a good warrior,commander and sciencistSoundwave is great but he is in a support role,megatron being a gun needed someone who was quick and a good shotIf soundwave was a helicopter for example he would be a great screamer replacement in all aspects but science and air command but he was a cool boombox 3rd in command with his own entouragePlus I dont belive megatron would enjoy beating soundwave for failing,screamer meanwhile is a peculiar con that enjoy cog breaking
>>150662625Yeah there is,your dog plays pantera cowboys from hell album and your pantera album mauls the mailman
>>150663540Why does this fella have a face behind the visor ?
>>150665424Same reason Omega Supreme does? Why is /co/ full of Transformers autists who know nothing about Transformers? Doubly so for the OP.
>>150664666Wold be a much more fun twist if the entire Decepticon faction was secretly orchestrated by Soundwave. He had been secretly reprogramming some bots, sending psychic subliminal messages to others coercing them to go evil or hate their peers. He also keeps the Decepticons fighting each other through the same psychic coercion so that no one suspects that he is actually the mastermind behind it all. >There is always a megalomaniacal leader like Megatron that Soundwave gets the Constructicons to build.>There is always a Starscream type constantly rebelling and causing trouble for the leader, keeping his attention away from Soundwave (Combatacons were past member of this)>He also coerces occasional Autobots to switch sides if they seem useful enoughThe Decepticon emblem being his face is not a coincidence,
>>150665615Cause omega supreme is suprisingly forgetable somehow
>>150665674Megatron just wanted his logo to mog autobots and soundwave is a 10/10 bonesmashing lookscel of the cons,Imagine bogdanoff twins staring at you with malicious intent,thats how soundwave looks at everyone but chestbots and megatron
>>150665691Not if you watched Animated or read the current Skybound.
>>150665691Because he only appears a few times and then disappears forever. He was largely replaced by combiner teams, and then the cityformers sort of took away anything that made him special.Also the show had to sideline him a lot, he was an instant I Win button for the Autobots. Also making it kind of weird how they were the constantly on the run underdog of the show when they had that guy on their side.
>>150665722By the time the autobots got the Dinobots and Omega, they were no longer the scrappy underdog of the show. They switched from the Rag-Tag group of survivors consisting of mechanics and workers trying to fight a war they were not made for, to being perfectly capable of handling Decepticons any time they show up.
>>150665722I like the idea of Omega Supreme being a portable superhighway for the Autobots. What better mode of transportation for cars than a road that moves with them? Scioli really needs to be put on an ongoing.
>>150665740Yeah, building 5 guys that are a whole lot bigger and stronger than the Decepticons leader will do that.
>>150665674Except Starscream's ego faggotry even clashed with Soundwave
>>150665740Even in the original comic they were at a hilarious advantage. So much so the moment Megatron woke up he was all like "not so sure bout our chances here, folks" and they flew off.
>>150665853Autobots always massively outnumbered the Decepticons. The only issue was that all the Decepticons were larger purpose built combat bots that could easily handle every single Autobot except for Optimus. He was the only one that was not guaranteed to lose a 1v1 with just any Decepticon. But most fights were a 3-1 or 4-1 numbers advantage for the autobots. They didn't get any dedicated fighters until they built the Protectobots, Dinobots, and Aerialbots.
>>150665945It always seemed to me like the Cons had the better technology too. They had flight when autobots didn'tThey had triple changers when the autobots didn'tthey had the first combinerThey had FTL teleportation
>>150665759>Scioli really needs to be put on an ongoing.While I'd love that, I don't think he's capable of it. I think we'd be better off getting more stand-alone annuals or mini-series from him. As it is, even most of TF vs. GI Joe is structured as single-page vignettes as opposed to a linear story.
>>150665759Let him do m.a.s.k and he man,maybe a sequel to go bots comic and new transformers oneOne 12 issue book a year
>>150665716>Not If you read skyboundI only remembered him doing a flyby cause I was in the thread with omega supreme beacon being shown around issue 1980% of anons in thread for 24 were like "where did he come from" iirc
>>150658550He seems like a wimp among the rest of the cons though. He only really got into a fight in the pilot. Anytime after that he just ejects a couple tapes and they do the fighting.The one time he squared off with Blaster they just played music really loud at each other.
>>150664256That was Starscream.what trouble did Shockwave cause?
>>150665410>panteraonce again, if I am not mistaken, Pantera were a little girl's version of Sepultura
>>150664392>or threw him away.yikes
>>150665410Ravage is a cat
>>150667368Ravage is the manSoundwave is the dog
>>150658550aren't most versions of the decepticons just this image?
>>150667336You are one stupid motherfucker
>>150667334Kept shooting captured female cybertronians when megatron wanted his gunbarrel polished
>>150667561Yes. Cybertron's population is roughly 85% sociopaths and psychopaths on both sides. IDW Impactor, for example, has killed more Wreckers than any Decepticon ever had. This includes outside of IDW continuity.
>>150667743Those bitches had it coming
>>150661076Why keeping the iconic hexagon head is so hard for these dumbass animators
>>150667836Impactor killed under 5 wreckers iircWhen you lead a squad of suicidal commandos ordering one to run at the machine gun with grenade is in the playbookOthers were snitches,traitors,gay or mid roid rageIn this thread impactor is a hero
Why is it always G1? Why can't they try new stuff like Armada etc?
>>150661372I second the need of a source. Preferably, with concept art.
>>150668032who is They? Hasbro?
>>150668285Come on you know… They
>>150667902This was 1000% unessesary. Impactor had zero reason for spearing the fucker in the skull. Even Decepticons don't do this.
>>150668032ngl Armada getting a reboot of sorts would be interesting, how you'd approach it
>>150668032Armada itself was considered a G1 reboot by Aaron Archer.
>>150664666Turns out Soundwave was the one who made the logo and made it look like his face on purpose>So what do you think Lord Megatron?>Well considering we’ve already got it on I’m inclined to say I like it>Thank you Lord Megatron (:
