The case against Neil Gaiman has been dismissed https://movieweb.com/neil-gaiman-assault-lawsuit-dismissed-court/Is it okay to read his comics again?
>>150680910I never stopped reading Sandman because of this nonsense. I still look forward to end of the audio version.
>>150680910>The sexual assault lawsuit brought against Neil Gaiman has come to an unexpected and swift end after a Wisconsin federal judge dismissed the case on the grounds that it should have been brought in New Zealand when the claimed offenses took place, and not in the U.S. No.>>150680934>nonsenseNeil Gaiman is a monster.
believe all women chud
>>150680910Dismissed is not the same as acquitted of the accusations. Marylin Manson (who was fired from the American Gods tv show over a similar allegation to Gaiman) was acquitted of all accusations because his accusers couldn't lie under oath. Notsomuch for Gaiman.
>>150680946I love the doctor who episode he wrote the doctors wife such a great episode.
>>150680910I want to know how his run in Miracleman Man ends.I want closure, nothing else.
>>150680910He could still be taken to a court in New Zealand where the whole thing took place, what are the odd of him being sentenced there?
They'll bring him back to Netflix and uncancel his shows
>>150680910>Is it okay to read his comics again?No and I'll tell you the dual reasons.First>He apologized. If he didn't say anything or fought back against the charges or ignored them completely, then maybe there was a chance that he could have survived the media cycle, been forgotten about thanks to people like P. Diddy, and now with the dismissal won and been vindicated enough to be forgotten or ignored by the machine. Look at Johnny Depp. He fought. He got dumped on. He went to trial and rightfully pointed out it takes two to tango and won the court of public opinion. He lost some roles in that time, but now he's coming back. Two>His whole controversy came about JUST as all his IP's were being worked on. How long was Jospeh Gordon Levitt trying to turn Sandman into something before Netlfix did it? The Broadway show for his stories. It was all firing at once. Sandman could have gotten axed after season 2 but I have feeling it may have been picked up by someone else or allowed a wrap up season due to how rabid the fanbase was. He had good will on his side. But then this happened, and it wasn't a coincidence of course, but it exploded just as he had momentum. tl'dr he's cooked. He has no IP's to retreat to and he is now the face of creepy anal sex
Reminder not to believe any allegations unless the person making them immediately goes to the police, not to a journalist or social media several years after the fact.
>>150681069>He apologized.That was his first mistake. When dealing with any accusation, regardless of whether it's true or not. Never apologize to the mob. It concedes weakness, and if you actually are innocent it guarantees your reputation will never recover. Vic Mignogna was bulled into apologizing for a rape that never happened (look at the receipts), and he's been permanently blacklisted from ever voice acting again.
Do zoomers hate Coraline now?
>>150681279Most people don't even know it was based on his book. The movie took a lot of liberties with the source material.
>>150681279They hate whatever they're told to hate.
>>150681309They've been purposely downplaying his role because of the controversy. They made his name really tiny on the posters for the theatrical re-release of Coraline and they didn't mention his name in the commercials or the other promotional materials at all.
>>150680910His comics aren't very good so I would so no it isn't.
>>150680910ooohhh boy... who did he threaten this time?
>>150681173What do you think of Christopher Niosi?
>>150681360based
>>150680910>woman ruins her case because she's too stupid to learn basic legal protocol
>>150681279They never had real feelings to begin with
>>150680996They took it to America because the cops in New Zealand originally dismissed it. I guess next they can try the UK.
>>150680973>he doctors wife such a great episode.You have awful tastesThough Let's Kill Hitler was such a pointless trainwreck
>>150683682You suck at green texting.
>>150682293>he cops in New Zealand originally dismissed it.why?
>>150680910Duh he didn’t commit a crime. Though I hope his career is dead so we don’t get anymore bullshit about harlequins .
>>150683950>Misses one letterOh no, woe is I! ah!you're the only one who gives a shit about that.
>>150680910He's always been a shitty writer. The case being dismissed won't change that.
>>150680972>Dismissed is not the same as acquitted of the accusationsThis. People want to believe that the case against Roiland being dismissed also means he was found innocent, but that's not the case. In both the case of Roiland AND Gaiman, they could both still be tried at a future date until the statute of limitations runs out.
>>150680910Dismissed doesn't mean innocent. Also, innocent doesn't always mean innocent. We all know Diddy got a light slap on the wrist.
>>150680910> Rich people can do no wrong. Now I understand the “eat the rich” crowd. That's fucked up, anyone with a lower income would be arrested for less.
Jew magic
>>150680910The tribe really gets away with everything.
>>150685192>>150685209>>150685348Gaiman's issue is funny. I got to see people battling with the opinions of "The woman is a liar, woman are always liars" and "Jews are evil, he did it, the tribe gets away with everything" in their head. Always fun to see which one wins, or if the person tries to combine both some how.
>>150685395>opinionsShalom.
>>150685418Opinions are jewish?
>>150684046Lack of evidence.AlsoNZ doesn’t give award for emotional trauma (or to a minimal degree, from what I read), US courts do, so the lawyers are pushing the case in America to get real money out of Gaiman-Palmer.
>>150680910New Zealand police investigated the claims far before the case was publicised and essentially found no case to be answered for, police speak for not enough evidence. Then Gaiman began selling/auctioning stuff off like mad, with people joking he was gonna get divorced or something. Then one podcast mentioned one set of abuses and was completely ignored. Gaiman spent A LOT of money on an injunction to keep it out the press. Then Tortoise Media, an organisation funded by deep right wing pockets, with the ex-British Prime Minister's sister part of the team went at him hard as a left wing scalp. New Zealand police then reopened their investigation. Then US police and British police are supposedly looking at others. But really it is about the civil case to get money out of him which have been filed.>>150681069>He apologized. If he didn't say anything or fought back against the chargesHe denied the charges and accusations:>"I'm far from a perfect person, but I have never engaged in non-consensual sexual activity with anyone. Ever. Some of the horrible stories now being told simply never happened, while others have been so distorted from what actually took place that they bear no relationship to reality."
>>150680910Only the ones which were actually good.
>>150680910If you're the type of faggot to not read/listen/watch/play a piece of media because the lead creator was a piece of shit, I don't know how you even keep track. Truly you are a paragon of principles to check everything you consume so thoroughly.
>>150681069>tl'dr he's cooked.I disagree. This shit is about "normie penetration". Much like with JK Rowling, most normies known them as author/creator person. Only perpetually online lefty types know about JK's trans opinions. Only perpetually online lefty types know about some of these allegations. And even then some of them can't let go about Harry Potter, much like they can't let go of Sandman. The left wing circles, whisper networks and others in comics have been practically SILENT about Gaiman to avoid having egg on their face. Normal people don't completely know and still buy his stuff. I think this is mostly being ignored. Heck it took ages for larger publications to even mention the story.
>>150684191Damn dude cry harder, if you really didn’t care you would’ve ignored me, instead of pointing out how stupid you are at fumbling Ctrl+C.
>>150685395It's also important to note that that since the accusations included Amanda Palmer acting as a sort of henchwoman for Gaiman, the threads saw the confusing bait of defending a rich "bisexual" dark burlesque performer who hits every stereotype for BPD.
>>150680910Looks like Neil is innocent. Everyine owes him an apology
The thing that honestly shocks me about both this and Warren Ellis is.. that people genuinely treat these fuckers who wrote some comics like genuine rockstars then behave like rockstar groupies for fucking comic book writers.
>>150685677>Much like with JK Rowling,I don't agree. People don't like J.K. Rowling's tweets and shit she says. That brings one level of "Burn her!!" She has never been charged with a crime. If she had been then she would be in the same boat as Gaiman, which is cooked. Rowling is not an idiot. She doesn't play both sides of the room like Gaiman did. A guy who tauted trans depictions, gay rights, strong females etc and then got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. The cookie jar being a "strong woman's" ass. Rowling has stated they she doesn't think men who dress up as women have anything to do with the women's cause or should aping it, advancing from it, or using it as a shield. And she's right. She is fine with gay people. Gaiman showed he is two faced for claiming he thinks the way women were portrayed in media was wrong. Or shunning and dunking on people who he claimed gatekept and groomed women int the comic industry.
>>150685559>He denied the charges and accusations:Yes and then he added this paragrpah to have his cake and eat it too. >And I also realise, looking through them, years later, that I could have and should have done so much better. I was emotionally unavailable while being sexually available, self-focused and not as thoughtful as I could or should have been. I was obviously careless with people's hearts and feelings, and that's something that I really, deeply regret. It was selfish of me. I was caught up in my own story and I ignored other people's.He fucked himself.
>>150685680That's not a mantra, though, its just a guy's opinion. Of course, the guy who said it is jewish, and people think he has a point, so the only reason for that in your head is evil jew magicks made to destroy the white race.
>>150685842>People don't like J.K. Rowling's tweets and shit she says.I don't think you understood my point at all. The VAST majority of normies don't know anything about the controversy around Rowling. Because that shit has not penetrated society like you think it has. In my day to day life I have witnessed this. People still like and enjoy Harry Potter. And her opinions are not known beyond a lot of online people. And even the opinions that are known are downplayed a bunch. Online people, in the know, particularly with strong opinions, often live in bubbles and think everyone else MUST know.My point is simply: this shit hasn't penetrated society completely and most people live in ignorance. The allegations against Gaiman started in a completely different podcast. Then Tortoise Media made a new one that took off. But even then, it took time for it to penetrate some mainstream media publications and even then it wasn't prominently featured. A lot of normie fans of Gaiman are completely ignorant to it. That was the point I was making. To be "cooked" would require Gaiman's allegations to be known far and wide, constant ongoing and developing story. Instead we got: podcast, a bigger podcast, then it took time to go mainstream, then went silent. It isn't as big a story. His books and comics haven't vanished, left wing comics twitter has ignored a lot of it. (Left wing comics twitter came harder after Ed Piskor who did nothing illegal.) I suspect Sandman comics will still get sold unless he actually gets charged with something. Even the civil case will probably end up just getting settled.
>>150685927>To be "cooked" would require Gaiman's allegations to be known far and wide, constant ongoing and developing story. Instead we got: podcast, a bigger podcast, then it took time to go mainstream, then went silent. It isn't as big a story.Now it's my turn to say you're not understanding my point. But that is fine! We're online using text instead of sitting speaking etc.I understand you're saying that the total media coverage of Gaiman's issues, and the resulting amount of people, consumers, fans of the mainstream variety aren't aware of it on a mass level. Point taken. My issue is that is not what "cooks" him. What cooks him is he was accused of a crime, allegations yes, but a crime was filed. A suit was brought up. The details of that case, young girl, sex, possible forced, intimidated etc, was involved. That is poison to a PR dept, and companies shelling out money for his IP's. These places already have to be sold on why they should invest in those IP's and make them into other media projects. Just dealing with an artist who owns the rights and isn't going to roll over is a hard sell. But when you include that the artist is damaged goods, that makes it even less worth it. Whether the allegations are true or not. Whether he is guilty or innocent. It doesn't matter. The media companies don't want the headache. It's like buying a car from someone who has some weird history behind them or is going through legal shit. Why put up with it? You will just find the same car being sold by someone without those extra issues. They will just find some other old angsty, British guy who writes dark fantasy. It wasn't like Gaiman was super in demand beforehand. This is why he is cooked. You see? And the woman? She knew this is exactly what would happen. Best case she would get a payoff or a book deal. Worse case? He would not get money and she would get a book deal.
>>150685892>evil jew magicks made to destroy the white race.Pretty mutch yeah.>>150685842>She is fine with gay peopleThat's not how gay people will remember it though.>>150685927Normies don't know or honestly don't care, you are right about that. People in media (movies, publishing etc) tend to be Liberals and support liberal causes though, I think Neil can kind of brush off allegations, publishing and media people be all "We always knew you were innocent" or similar, they'll probably continue to have issue with JK for her opposition to "LGBT Rights".
>>150686172>That's not how gay people will remember it though.Gay people make up 1-3% of the population so honestly it doesn't fucking matter. That is the real annoying and disgusting tactic about their arguments. Especially when they try to draw parallels to women's rights or civil rights. They are not a huge demographic of people. And the truth is the same rule applies ot them as to other groups. As the other anon pointed out, there are mainstream gay fans who don't know about her views. There also those that don't care or readily agree with her. Plenty of gay people look down on trans people.
>>150685842Rowling has not yet been to the JRE either.
>>150686172If the white race can be destroyed by a guy saying "I think the opinions are the most important thing in this world.", then the white race was never going to make it.
>>150680910FORGIVEN!
>>150686098>Now it's my turnI got what you meant I was just more talking about something different is all.>What cooks him is he was accused of a crime, allegations yes, but a crime was filed.And so far all of these have been dismissed. Being accused or even charged doesn't matter. Johnny Depp's PR team majorly astroturfed the internet despite a lot of stuff he had done. This journalist interviewed people outside a Chris Brown concert and most people didn't care about his crimes or allegations:https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLk2vj5qDeC/The journalist asks about allegations, they know some, but not all and even then they justify it. He was charged with assault, allegations of rape/assaults, restraining orders for threats etc. I'm not saying Gaiman is as big as either of those two, but still, the point is crimes, even serious crimes, are not always the end.>A suit was brought up.Probably to be settled, he is a multi millionaire with a warchest he built for this purpose (he auctioned a lot of stuff). >The details of that case...That is poison to a PR dept, and companies shelling out money for his IP's. Firstly, he is an alternate/goth type culture guy and so much of this sex stuff can be seen in the loose position of alternative people, open relationships, BDSM. Yes it is poison (although some PR companies have turned some people around despite serious allegations). Yes, the IP's are completely fucked. He isn't going to be adapted. BUT, what I am saying is, that enough of his books will be sold and reprinted that functionally, yeah he isn't going to make big adaptation money, but he will be making something. We are just disagreeing on what being cooked means. To me cooked to me would really see him: dragged through the media more prominently, have books like Sandman stop being evergreen reprints, have charges filled or a prosecution happen, have multiple civil lawsuits all settled or taken to court. None of which has happened (yet).
>>150680910who cares, I don't even think he's criminal, just a creep. What bothers me is he thinking he had any kind of moral standing to judge other people like he liked to do.
>>150684291There's a case against Roiland?
>>150686406>And so far all of these have been dismissed. Being accused or even charged doesn't matter.Anon it totally does, because as I said, he apologized for them. He wrote that stupid playing both sides of the fence post on his blog like an idiot where he was at once saying "It was consensual.' "I don't remember it being bad" "She's lying" all the way to "In hindsight I was being selfish." Just all over the place. Also, Neil Gaiman is not fucking Johnny Depp or Chris Brown. He isn't even George R.R. Martin. He doesn't have the ability to absorb being called a sex pest, less so when he's saying all that shit on his blog. Look at him. Johnny Depp is old and women would still readily kill you to fuck him.>Probably to be settled, he is a multi millionaire with a warchest he built for this purposeGood for him. That makes him an idiot. That is what the woman wants. Money. And he doesn't have the standing or lifetime to rebuild that warchest anon. Less reason for him to apologize or write anything. If he was going to pay her he should have done it before she sunk his career, his name & his IP's. >Firstly, he is an alternate/goth type culture guyNo anon. It is not '87 anymore. It is not the 90's anymore. He is not at the forefront of gay culture or young culture. He is a sex pest now to anyone in that culture. A culture again he tried to play both sides of. "Oh I have no issues with Death being black. What me? No. God's I think women should be strong & brave & colored and trans.">but he will be making something.yes, he will live. I didn't say otherwise. His stuff being reprinted has about as much to do with the people who have contracts & have already paid to own his IP. But being cooked is this: It is losing what he worked a lifetime for. The chance for his stuff to be multimedia. It's paying for lawyers or settlements.
>>150686568>Anon it totally does, because as I said, he apologized for them. Like I said in a previous post though, that fits into the normie penetration thing, do people know? I don't even think a bad apology ruins someone. Youtube for instance is full of bad apologies.>Also, Neil Gaiman is not fucking Johnny Depp or Chris Brown.I never said he is like them! I asserted that when I said he isn't as big as those two in my post. My point was more, that people can do terrible things and still turn it around. Neil Gaiman is a "rockstar superstar writer of comics" level. As well as an author. And weirdly that did give him a lot of prestige. Fuck, Warren Ellis had enough "rockstar in comics" prestige to fuck around with 100s of women (he did nothing illegal though, just a lot of alleged manipulation). >Good for him. That makes him an idiot. That is what the woman wants.I mean it is standard practice, let a bunch of people fight over a pot but structure your money in a way that they don't get most of it.>No anon.I think you confused my point, that "alternate/goth" mention was more how those sex assertions could be shifted towards other PR narratives. >yes, he will live. I didn't say otherwise.He'll still be making a pretty good living off of evergreen books, which is why I can't call him cooked. Ultimately he won't be losing all he worked for because he is going to keep on to the most of it.I think a bunch of what you keep focusing on is the hypocrisy of "well he said this about y and now this has happened". I don't think he played both sides of culture, he was more following trends. In the 90s he was liberal man, comic book legal defense fund, sex and sexuality, Aids Death comic. Then he just shifted to that tumblr, trans, believe all women, I am heckin' lefty author man. The hypocrisy thing you keep trying to push is more a 4chan joke of: it is ironic he said believe all women but now he is saying not to.
>>150681173In Vic's case it didn't help that he hired a clown to represent him in a trial that his career hinged on
>>150685701>doesn't know that one can highlight text, hit the post number and the highlighted portion is copied in the reply boxGrim, yangtmi
>>150686208>Gay people make up 1-3% of the population so honestly it doesn't fucking matter.Liberals are a bigger chunk of the population, media is also overwhelmingly Liberal, the movie business publishing tabloids etc... and they won't look favorably on JK moving forward, they'll remember her for "opposing lgbt-rights">Plenty of gay people look down on trans people.It doesn't matter either, the mainstream liberal view is that if you oppose "trans rights" you oppose "gay rights" too, JK gets called a homophobe as much as a transphobe.
>>150685677>>150685842>>150685927The difference is, Rowling has Fuck You Money. Gaiman doesn't.
>>150686839>The difference is, Rowling has Fuck You MoneyI doubt so, I suspect she's nominally that rich, but in actuallity is the studio that actually owns all of that money. WB are the actual owners of the HP brand.
>>150686869Anon, she is a billionaire. With a B.
>>150680910>Yo. Everyone including non-burgers, he only raped outside of the US so it's okay now
>>150686888Nominally.
>>150686869She is worth like $1.2 billion. Gaiman is worth like $20 million.
>Gayman>cancelled for having sex with a woman
>>150686704I'm not sure what more is to say here, as it seems you're honestly circling back to things that we've already discussed such as "normie penetration," which honestly sounds like something you'd find in either Gaiman's legal filings or his blog apology. That being said let me address the few things I feel I have something new to say on. First it does not take much to achieve "rockstar vibes" or whatever it is you are associating with fucking fans or women. When you do something creative and it makes you money, money to eat and live not even saying a big house or fancy cars. I mean when you make it your source of income, THAT is enough to make people want to fuck you. It blows people's minds that anything creative can earn money and that you can be good enough, or more importantly, be confident enough to pursue that to make them want to fuck you. It is not indicative of reaching some "level" of fandom or superstardom or anything. IAs to selling possessions to have a "warchest" so that people "fight over it" but don't get "everything", it feels like you have no real understanding of these situations and that is a good thing! May you never. You do not set aside large sums of money to give to other people and feel happy about it anon, unless they are your children. And even then. What I am focusing on, is a man working for decades on his craft with the purpose of elevating his creations as far as they can go, and getting paid for his creativity as much as he can, sabotaging that for some anal sex in a room. That is stupid and avoidable. But it seems unsurprising given the way that same person handles the situation after it's brought to light. That's it. It's a life lesson, as are any and all stories. The ones you read in books or the ones you read elsewhere.
>>150686869Perhaps. But Rowling’s name has more pull for the general masses than Gaiman. She wealthier financially and socially.
>>150686869>I suspect she's nominally that richThen you suspect wrong. Rowling is not stupid. She made herself the owner of all her IP's without signing over an mediums or platforms. All. That is the big thing. Sometimes someone will give you the rights to your IP in one medium and then points or a percentage of sale if it is sold to become another medium. You lose creative control too. Rowling didn't do that. She is the gate keeper to all her IP and in any decisions and sales, she has the right of first refusal. This is why WB hates her secretly. They cant force her to do shit with her IP. The Broadway show? She had full creative control. I bet there were people in WB hoping her getting roasted would weaken her so she would have to lean into the machine to build back image or create a buffer. She's not dumb and has fuck you money. She has fuck you control.
>>150680910His career is still dead.>>150686839That and Rowling’s biggest controversy is not a “she sexually abused me” scandal.
>>150680946So not settled out of court. Not rejected because of lack of evidence. Not judged in his favor. Not even that the victim rescinded her claims. Minor technicality that forces it to be dealt with by a different court.
>>150686928>as it seems you're honestly circling back to thingsI only circled it back because you keep acting like his apology means something deeper or that his apology massively damages his position. I circled back to say: that his apology isn't as influential in the proceedings as you think, because most people are ignorant. So why do you keep focusing on his apology as really mattering? A lot of these non-apologies never really matter>it feels like you have no real understanding of these situationsThat's pretty patronizing. He got rid of a bunch of stuff so he could sell it for a higher price whilst he was still heckin' good author guy before allegations hit the public hard, as part of his legal defense fund but also because he has most likely done some financial fuckery as people do. >You do not set aside large sums of money to give to other people and feel happy about it anonI never said anything to suggest that he should feel happy about it.. not once? What a weird point to make..>What I am focusing on, is a man working for decades on his craft with the purpose of elevating his creations as far as they can go, and getting paid for his creativity as much as he can, sabotaging that for some anal sex in a room. That is stupid and avoidable. But it seems unsurprising given the way that same person handles the situation after it's brought to light. That's it. It's a life lesson, as are any and all stories. The ones you read in books or the ones you read elsewhere.I never disagreed with any of this? I just think nuance should apply here a bit and was talking about other things. That the situation is weird. Take Sandman, despite his cancellation it is still considered a comics classic, it is still in print, it hasn't been reassessed, fans are not doing the same level of boycotts or statements that we have seen against others. Gaiman is ultimately a fucking idiot. I think we are just talking past each other at this point.
>>150687005Pretty sure WB are co-owners of the brand.>she's not dumbShe's pretty dumb, or else she wouldn't be spreading dumb cospiracy theories like "trans the gay away" that's shit reads like mental retardation to me.
>he was raped
>>150687163She can say any kind of dumb shit she wants without being negatively impacted. That's what Fuck You Money is.
>>150687163>Pretty sure WB are co-owners of the brand.The only control they have is over films and TV. If they had full co-owner control Harry Potter would not be featured at Universal Studios Florida.
>>150687433>The only control they have is over films and TV.That's the bulk of the franchise really.
>>150681279zoomers believe tim burton made that movie, they don't even know is based on a book written by rapeman
>>150688169dude, Tim Burton didn't even make Tim Burton's most popular movie.
>>150687433>The only control they have is over films and TVI'm pretty sure she has to approve everything they do, or at least she has power to veto stuff. WB doesn't have unlimited control over anything.
>>150687146>Minor technicalityBruh jurisdiction is a huge issue.
>>150687146>Minor technicalityLack of jurisdiction is not "minor technicality", it's pretty much the most serious legal error possible.
>>150689041She has control over the publishing rights, so yes, she does have at least some say. My point was that WB doesn't have total control in the way that a complete owner or complete co-owner would
>>150681761nah, lawyers try to get preferred jurisdictions all the time. this time the judge just ruled that nz was more appropriate and ALSO said he could be tried in wisconsin again if he didn't cooperate with that.
>>150686839The actual difference is that normalfags don't care that Rowling doesn't like trannies.
>>150685677>they've been silent about gaimanlol what a load or horseshit. any other retarded fanfictions you'd like to air?
>>150689342A lot of prominent industry people have not been as vocal on Gaiman as they have about other creators.
>>150680946>>150680972>innocent until PROVEN guilty doesn't matterI didn't know Alex de Campi was on 4chan
>>150689413true to some degree, but that's industry. it's always trickier when contracts are involved and there's a real legal case instead of simple pr problems. the commentariat and internet people turned on him very quickly once it progressed beyond the initial stage of just looking like boris johnson's sister being mad.
>>150689342>they've been silent about gaimanWhat a weird misquote. They said:>The left wing circles, whisper networks and others in comics have been practically SILENT about Gaiman to avoid having egg on their face. Practically silent is not the same as silent. I saw some creators mention it. But no where near on the level of some other creators. I think some people have been reticent to mention it because of how beloved Gaiman was.>>150689479Internet people did turn on him but some of these comic circles have really not been as vocal as I would expect. And I read through the Warren Ellis situation, Ed Piskor situation, and Gaiman situation indepth as they were happening/developing. Warren was accused by 100 people of abuse (nothing illegal though):https://somanyofus.com/Ed did nothing illegal and everyone came at him hard until he killed himself. Compared to these, people haven't really been as bad. Just a bunch of recontextualising or people claiming to have always known, shit like that.
>>150689554Perhaps we just look at different parts of the fannish internet, because I've encountered it as a universal assumption that Gaiman is Bad for some time now, which is the usual stance for this kind of situation. Maybe they just don't talk about it much because it's treated as settled dogma? I don't see anyone on the left defending him anymore, though there was some at the very beginning, before the real allegations came out.The Ellis situation was a whole other thing, of course. He wasn't accused of anything near as bad, and even some of his accusers said he shouldn't be punished for it. But that was also a situation where there was general agreement about what happened, not a legal dispute or potential criminality.Piskor I don't know enough about to have an opinion.
>>150689652>Perhaps we just look at different parts of the fannish internet, because I've encountered it as a universal assumption that Gaiman is Bad for some time now, See Gaiman being bad is there, but it has not been as explosive as some of those other situations, that is what I am saying. I was specifically talking more about the comics sphere of things and there has been a lot less conversation around Gaiman amongst the left and right, people in comics sphere, as compared to those other situations. Like I said, the impression was more, he made work they like, he was someone they looked up to, so it wasn't as dramatic an explosion. Not saying anyone is defending him or saying he is good.>He wasn't accused of anything near as badIf you read that website put together but his accusers, some of the behaviour is pretty fucking bad, not rape/assault bad, but pretty awful and to a lot of people. Pressuring people to make porn, manipulating them.
>>150680910Why was there even a trial? Did nobody check a map until just then?
>>150689652>Piskor I don't know enough about to have an opinion.A 17 year old began talking to Ed, spurred on by her boyfriend who was a fan of Ed. They talked for a bit, she is an artist, he encouraged her. She is in her early 20s now and released 6 screenshots of messages claiming she "didn't want to cancel him, he didn't do anything illegal but she felt sorta groomed and wanted to get it out of there". Only one of the screenshots looked sort of bad, him calling her a "naughty girl" (she was 18+ at that time and in that state the AOC is 16) but in context it was a conversation about Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, so nothing really sexual, she was talking about committing crime, hence why he said naughty girl. She also claimed that he invited her to crash on his couch if she attended this local comics event (but she also never revealed this screenshot). Then this happened:>The left came for Ed, they called him every name under the sun, said more allegations would come.>The right came for Ed, called him a pedo, laughed about it, they were angry Ed's Youtube channel Cartoonist Kayfabe never mentioned the culture wars.>His own fans and subreddit compared him to convicted sex offender Gerard Jones, a former comic book scripter who was charged with posession of CP. >The local news doxxed him and his dad. >Local gallery cancelled his art show.>Fantagraphics dropped him. >His friends all distanced themselves.>Another woman then claimed he wanted to draw her naked, which Ed admitted he did say jokingly at an event with other people because she was hot and they were friends.>Then a woman claimed that Ed wanted sexual favours for industry contacts. She was actually an ex-girlfriend and Ed said it was bullshit.>Ed then killed himself because his whole career was wrecked.>And named people in his suicide note.>The right all deleted their videos (except from Jon Del Aroz who kept saying Ed would be found out as a pedo).>The left all doubled down (pic related).
>>150687146>>150680946It was brought to court in Wisconsin? Fucking why? Everybody who read the story saw it happened in New Zealand. The lady who got assaulted was brought over to New Zealand because of Gaiman, there was a clear imbalance of power.
>>150689935If you read the allegations, 9 women have accused him and the crimes happened in New Zealand, America and UK. I believe the issue is that the nanny was both in New Zealand for a time and the US. So they have dismissed those claims because they have no jurisdiction.
>>150689913Compare that to Neil Gaiman:>Good Omens is still carrying on albeit with a streaming movie for its third season.>Sandman on Netflix was cancelled more because of cost vs low viewership than his cancellation.>Sandman comics still being printed, still featured prominently. I think a lot of the general scrutiny that Gaiman is facing is in this abstract leftist narrative: death of the author, don't trust your idles, don't make people into heroes. A "coming to terms" type experience of them pondering the question of, can you ethically consume his work. Or right wing narratives of: lefty was a creep/hypocrite. Where as with Ed, it was, pick on the nerdy guy who made his whole life comics and kill him. Intense, brutal and vile.
>>150680910>Listen to any comic-related video>Neel Gayman comes up, even as an offhand mention >Youtuber stops talking about whatever he was saying and talks about how GAYMAN BAD, I DON'T SUPPORT GAYMAN HE DID BAD STUFF THAT I WON'T TALK ABOUT BUT HE'S BAD AND I DON'T SUPPORT HIM AT ALL REALLY I DON'T HE'S A TERRIBLE PERSON YES before resuming the narration (turns out Gayman isn't even that relevant to ghe topic at hand, he just kinda sorta wrote something fifteen years ago)I'm so tired of this
>>150685395I am always right, even when I contradict myself.
I am a simple man with a simple rule: Trust no-one. So I don’t trust Gaiman’s accusers to tell the truth, nor do I trust Gaiman, nor do I trust the justice system to deliver a fair trial or render an accurate verdict. It saves me a lot of drama and means I never get into a situation of having defended someone who might turn out later to be a liar. Because let’s face it, most people are in one way or another.
>>150690127>Trust no-one.I have this rule too, but it only applies to me, because I also have another rule: everyone else should blindly trust me.
>>150690127> I never get into a situation of having defended someone who might turn out later to be a liar.For me it has always been praise people's work and actions but don't praise the people because people will always disappoint. I think that is why people have been so weird on Gaiman, they praised him so much for being wholesome that either they have to double down on hating him, or they awkwardly skirt around it, or they pretend like they always knew. (Does anyone else always find it weird how when someone is accused of something a bunch of people go, well I already knew! As if that is some flex? You knew and did nothing?)
>>150690178Or they could say they don’t believe the accusations, or don’t care. Or that Gaiman was decent to them and his relationships with other people are irrelevant to their own relationship with him. But none of that would sate the mob and might even incur its wrath on them.
The writer's bootcamp where he used to teach had something called the "Gaiman Rule". Which was, "Don't sleep with the students."
>>150690178>Does anyone else always find it weird how when someone is accused of something a bunch of people go, well I already knew! As if that is some flex? You knew and did nothing?There are definitely some people out there where after the accusations, acted all high-and-mighty about knowing about rumors about Gaiman or knowing about it. It usually gives off a red flag to me about that person.
>>150690178>For me it has always been praise people's work and actions but don't praise the people because people will always disappointFor some reason in the last decade or so people just stopped even trying to separate author and their work. It's like you can't like a thing anymore, you have to be a part of the fan club.
>>150690344I noticed it with Diddy too. All these black celebrities were like I KNEW. Probably trying to distance themselves but like, if you knew and didn't tell anyone, then that makes you a bitch, so quit acting like you aren't one.I'm someone who has been in comic convention circuits, worked at cons and heard a lot of rumours about comic creators and I never heard any rumours about Gaiman like that. It is just a made up thing of "ahh he was just banging all the cosplayers blah blah" thing that appears on /co/ and elsewhere. Not a true rumour, but post-allegation comment.
>>150690364>trying to separate author and their workI mean it is sometimes difficult, one issue of Sandman, #17 to be exact, had a faltering writing repeatedly rape a Muse to gain his creativity back. It even says:>Writers are liars, my dear.Certainly reads differently now.
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>>150690226>Or that Gaiman was decent to them and his relationships with other people are irrelevant to their own relationship with himOne of the strangest things to me about people in these kinds of situations is that they expect everyone to hate someone for something bad they did to someone else, even if that person did something good for you.Like say someone came to my house and handed me ten million dollars. Enough to massively change my life for the better. Then they went and raped someone to death I never met. I’d be expected to hate them and call them a monster for that even though to me, they would have had a more positive impact on my life than anyone. If I said>well actually I don’t really care, rape and murder happen every day but this particular guy set me up for life so he’s a lot better than all the other rapists and murderers in my opinion and in fact, I think he’s pretty fucking greatI would be crucified for it. So I probably wouldn’t say it. But that is what I’d think.
>>150690127I came to that conclusion like two years into the Me Too movement.
Todd won
>>150680972His reputation is ruined. Many people just heard that MM is a sex pest, wrote him off, and never did any research about what the case was about or that he was found innocent. It's frustrating. It's because of shit like this that I don't believe any women.
>>150685793Women are bitches and whores. They just to fuck celebrities, even Z-listers. So don't believe the lies about 'rape', they just want attention/money/mad about some stupid bullshit like he didn't want a relationship after they fucked. Never trust women. Never! Never ever ever!
>>150689312Most normies that know about her opinions AGREE with her.
>>150690491>One of the strangest things to me about people in these kinds of situations is that they expect everyone to hate someone for something bad they did to someone else,The way it works on Twitter and Bluesky and all that is that It's a cult leader mentality from a different angle. Those kinds of characters prey on people's desire to be good or seen as good. "You didn't ostracized the bad person like we did, therefore you are also the bad person," etc etc
>>150681069>Is it okay to read his comics again?>No and I'll tell you the dual reasons.I think OP was being sarcastic asking if it is okay to read Sandman again. Nobody cares for what a decrepit old Jew did to some sluts a hundred years ago
>>150686360>Nazzposter is a faggotClears out
>>150681069Social media and cancel culture are still kind of a new phenomena. People are still figuring out "the right way" to handle it when something happens.
Is Sandman good or is it shit
Please look in the mirror: are you really so obsessed with your pro-rape contrarianism that you're going to defend *Neil Gaiman*? You remember his TwitterHe deserves the biggest downfall possible.
>>150692347The comic? I really liked it, but it's been a while since I read it.
>>150692455Nah.
How did Alan Moore react to him getting cancelled
>>150693949Moore been very quiet. What's weirder is that Grant Morrison hasn't said anything either. Morrison was very vocal about criticizing people in comics with rape/abuse allegations for a while.
>>150680910Neil won, and I hope we all learned a valuable lesson 'Do not believe all women'
>>150690403the rumors had been around for awhile anon
>>150692455I don’t know that he did any of the things he’s accused of because I wasn’t witness to them. I also don’t personally know him or his accusers, so find it equally possible that anyone could by lying. I’m expected to take sides in a situation where I know neither party nor their trustworthiness nor was involved in any way why, exactly?
>>150686476There was. He was being charged with domestic battery and false imprisonment. Despite what anons may tell you, nobody really knows the details, but it wasn't a civil case (so all the allegations that it was a false accusation for money are incorrect). This was a case that was considered strong enough by a District Attorney that they decided to pursue it in court. They don't tend to do that unless there's a good case to be built, however again, we don't know. This is just my theory (so not anything official obviously), but domestic abuse cases rely heavily on victim testimony. That can be an emotional ordeal plus the Jane Doe (who was wisely opting to keep her name out of the press) risks exposure by going on the stand and given how retarded the R&M fanbase is, there was a good chance her identity would have been leaked and her life made a living hell by retards online. After Roiland was fired, there's a good chance the victim decided that justice was served and that pursuing the matter in court wouldn't be necessary. It saves a lot of time and emotional pain by foregoing that process. If the victim decided not to testify, the case likely would have been dropped. This is supported by the fact that the case had been ongoing for several months and even went to a pre-trial hearing so the process had begun. The case was only dismissed after Adult Swim announced it would be parting ways (and they likely did that to avoid the very public bad press they'd get). That said, Roiland was NOT cleared of the charges and as long as the case is within the statute of limitations, he could still be prosecuted.
>>150694662It should also be noted that the Jane Doe was not Abbie Maley (Roiland's ex and now pornstar). They hadn't been dating for several years by the time this case cropped up. The only reason anons keep bringing her up is because she's the only person they know of who dated Roiland and they like the salacious quips they can make regarding her pornographic activities. It should also be noted that Roiland's alleged inappropriate communications with minors (and potential sexual encounters) did not factor in to his being let go from any of his gigs. Those accusations only cropped up afterwards and were unrelated (just as they were with John K and Julia Vickerman).
>>150685927Normies do know about the Rowling thing, but it depends where you live, like it was national news in the UK, but in America it probably wouldn't matter that much
>>150692455I still occasionally think his forcing that girl to give him fallatio while he puts on his advance screener of Sandman season 1 and it's still the funniest fucking thing
>>150680946spbpIt was a territorial dismiss. He was not found Not Guilty.
>>150681691I don't know enough about Kirbopher or what he was accused of to say either way.
>>150690127I trust you to make me cum daddy
>>150680973>>150683682Doctor who peaked with caves of androzani
>>150680910Still reading his old stuff. I'll let the public determine the quality of any new stuff he puts out.
>>150690794based
>>150680910It was never a bad thing to read his comicsPeople who didn't just got mad at the new at the start of the year and never keep up with the case.
>>150694738I live in the UK and the average person really doesn't know that much to be honest, even though it has been mentioned in the mainstream news.
>>150690011The weirdest part? It was always kind of an open secret that Gaiman is kind of a twat.One known thing he had a habit of was that he'd act like any famous author who ever collaborated with him or was associated with him in any capacity was some kind of close personal friend.Not only the Good Omens guy but it's how he managed to be the guy who wrote the foreword to the anniversary edition of Farenheit 451 where he infamously repeated the "It's about McCarthyism by authorial intent" misinfo that Bradbury himself had debunked multiple times because he started the book before McCarthyism was a thing.Man was a fucking leech in this regard. If he saw a chance for clout by associating with you, he'd start acting like the two of you were best friends once you were too dead to refute it
>>150695733>VA dramafake allegations and backstabbing are everyday occurrences, it is almost impossible to overstate how fucked the anime dubbing scene is
>>150695818Thinking a Fifth doctor story is the peak of Doctor who? Wow terrible taste anon terrible.
Kneel Gay Man
>>150690320Well he didn't say that about the help.
>>150680934>I still look forward to end of the audio version.God willingAct 4 and 5 have been done for years, or at least his narration has been done for yearsLet's get finished with the only good adaptation of this work
Does anyone have that virgin vs chad edit of Neil Gaiman and Todd McFarlane?
>>150697586>It's about McCarthyism by authorial intentThat shit doesn't make any sense, McCarthy was concerned about the very real threat of Soviet infiltration in America and he didn't even get to start rooting them out before the establishment circled their wagons and turned the whole thing into a farce weaponized against him.
>>150690794As much of a tosser Gayman is Todd was also a hypocritical retard that tried to jew him just like Marvel and DC despite purporting to be better than them.
>>150680910Yes, but you should read good comics instead.
I mean I wasn't going to watch/read his stuff regardless, but the allegations are absolutely batshit. >he made me poop into his butt and then he pooped into my butt with my own poop and then made me repeat the cycle until there was no poop left
Crazy how his works went from being famous to completely memory-holed
>>150702940The people who wanted to blame him for something will never change their minds. Even the accusation is enough so long as they get to point fingers.
>>150680910He's based.
>>150680910Why is head so cartoonishly big compared to his body here?
>>150680910You're like that Japanese guy that won't play Palworld because Nintendo is suing them. No ability to think for yourself; just do what the court tells you.
>>150690011Eh, they excluded the Dream special from SMT compendium which sucks ass. There's something there, but ultimately they'll care more about making money than some crappy controversy, as you said those adaptations simply got cancelled because they just weren't big hits.
>>150704408>I'm a rebel and free-thinkerYou're a cocksucker and a clown. I don't play palworld because it's a overpriced beta bugged mess and I value my time and money, you play or hype palword because your daddy issues compels you to prove to your nintendo-ex you're over them when you clearly aren't.
>>150704618An autist missing the point.
>>150680910By Neil Gaiman
>>150686794That too. Honestly at this point I just feel bad for him. I'll never forgive Rial and Marchi for what they did to him,
>>150702299Like Sandman?
