Who had the better exclusive comic only characters.Archie or IDW?
>>150682583Fleetway
>>150682583Archie cause it had more reptile, bird and sea animal characters
>>150682583tails is built for ara ara harems.
>>150682583Surge mogs every other non-game character
>>150683493She lost to a bucket and some stray screws
>>150682583Honestly IDW imo
>>150682583Archie, but that went both ways
>>150683529Name one good character besides Surge.
>>150682583Archie because you had the original games, then the SatAM cartoon, then Penders' nonsense, and THEN you could make characters drawing on all of that.I'll take Bunnie's cyborg Uncle that loves her, hates the Acorn family, grudgingly respects Antoine, and works for Robotnik under duressoverCute Puppet Robot and that's her whole backstory.
>>150684613I always hated the archie comics because it never matched up with the games. Game characters could show up, but the comic characters never showed up in the games and it bugged me as a kid.IDW is kinda doing the same thing now, with their OCs not being in games, but that might change?
>>150682638>shota characters>built for milf haremsNo, really?
>>150685184Their OCs are more game moulded, but far less interesting.
>>150682617Fpbp/thread
IDW's aren't tainted by an association with SatAM, so they win.
>>150683572>Surge>good characterOh, anon...
>>150685297Yeah they're somehow worse, what a win
>>150684613>I'll take Bunnie's cyborg UncleAnd to think he was purged just because Penders came up with his name.Is there anything that man touched that wasn't ruined?
>>150685849>because Penders came up with his name.It was Gallagher actually, the main writer from the initial gag comic era.
>>150685849>Is there anything that man touched that wasn't ruined?No.Well.Okay, I do get fresh chuckles every time I re-read the whole fucking mess of the legal battle and its background https://www.tumblr.com/theamazingsallyhogan/68112487973/sonic-the-hedgehog-ken-penders-bioware . I never remember all the so-stupid/obnoxious-it's-funny details, so it remains a solid read every other year or so.
>>150682583Archie definitely had the better villains if nothing else.
>>150682583I'd rather take varied characters with different backgrounds and more rouges gallery other than Eggman over crying lesbians and shitters like Starline and the dumb octopus who do nothing and die unceremoniously.
>>150682583Archie had Scourge and Finitevus, which is two more menacing villains than IDW ever had.
>>150686924Clutch sucked as a villain.
>>150687078Yeah, he had potential to be an interesting sort of "background villain" dealing weapons and shit to other villains (like Mogul in Archie) but they wasted him on stupid evil schemes that went nowhere.
>>150687118It's because he's a replacement for Fang.
>>150687192Oh God. For some reason that never even occurred to me, even though he kinda resembles Fang and is supposed to be an "old school villain."So they took a buffoon villain and aged him up and expected that to make him scarier, then had him get totally punked in his second story arc. IDW keeps finding new lows.
>>150683493>rule 63 Scourgewow, truly the apex of creativity
>>150687078>>150687118>past tenseDid they seriously kill this nigga, too? I don't think they have a big enough cast to dump characters after just a couple issues.
>>150682638
>>150687566He's not dead. Yet.
>>150687512Reminder that Penders often flaunts Scourge as if he were one of the pinnacles of his non-Knuckles "creativity", even though all the aspects people remotely liked about the character were conceived by others and applied to a character nobody gave two shits about.
>>150687656He's dead as shit. Snively did far better than he did in his attempted coup.
>>150687717A reminder when he tried to sue Sega over Dark Brotherhood, it got thrown out of court. The same should have happened to Archie. It's like if Chris Chan won a court case to win the rights to Sonic and Pikachu.
>>150687755Clutch, not Starline.
>>150687786Sega wasn't incompetent like Archie was.
>>150687804Don't forget how one of the editors of Archie - Scott Fulop, tried to also sue Archie after Penders thinking it was going to be an easy pay day. Got completely ass blasted.
Will Lanolin make the transition to game character too?
>>150687996If Tangle and Whisper do, no reason she can't.
>>150687786Did you know about his latest shenanigan?He co-wrote a 36-page paper about his legal battles alongside a lawyer. I skimmed through it, and what caught my attention was when they elaborated on Shade and the Nocturnus Clan vs. Julie-Su and the Dark Legion. The part that baffled me (especially because there’s a literal image of the two characters side by side) is when he describes it as, and I’m not kidding:>"Shade who bares a striking resemblance to Julie-Su outside of coloration"Like, seriously? Sure, complain all you want about how they’re based on your characters or how they’re rip-offs (which they’re not... they’re inspired, yes, but not the same, but that’s a discussion for later). But to say Shade has a "striking resemblance", not even a "passing resemblance", to Julie-Su? Give me a break...Here in case you are curious: https://ssrn.com/abstract=5530078
>>150688154He still thinks he owns Shade, too.
>>150687566He got caught in a "nobody could have survived that" situation, but they never found the body.Basically, he's dead until the writers decide to bring him back. Some people are thinking it might happen in the current arc.
>>150688154Bobby from ThanksKenPenders made a very accurate summary of the essay, and, as usual, has no issues calling Penders out for what he is.https://thankskenpenders.tumblr.com/post/796265773323747328/so-i-havent-posted-on-here-in-a-while
>>150688261>>150687566He's not dead yet, but he's being mind-controlled by Eggman. Basically yet another comic-original villain becomes Eggman's bitch. Yawn.
>>150688154Yeah he tries to think he owns the patent for echidna characters now. Forgetting the fact Tikal exists and the tribe from Sonic Adventure.As much as its fun to poke the lolcow, he really has no power. He invented a few interesting characters, but his shitty art and terrible writing did them no favours until better talented people handled them better.
>>150689658Eh, I liked his Enerjak Reborn arc. He looses Knuxerjak on everyone and royally fucks them all over.>Dingos get rekt>Eggman and his fleet get rekt>Dark Legion gets rekt>Locke has to kill himself to stop it.It was like Finitevus did more to screw over the other villains than any of the heroes did.
>>150689684>until better talented people handled them better>Fatty Flynn*Raughs*
>>150689658He was a much needed villain for Knuckles he lacked. Dimitri was supposed to be his Robotnik, but Penders never committed to the bit of him doing anything to oppose Knuckles beyond political arguments.
>>150689712Lien Da literately did nothing before Ian flynn took over writing for her.
>>150689712NTA, and you laugh, but it goes to show you the real level of Penders if Flynn, of all writers, can grab his mess and turn it into something barely readable.
>>150689750This is something many people ignore or are unaware of.Penders was never under the impression that he owned, or was entitled to, any rights, as all available pre-2008 messages and statements show (something he now desperately tries to sleaze his way out of whenever it's brought up). However, when Archie did some reprints around that year and Penders contacted them to get a copy of his original contract, just to check if he was due any royalty money, he learned that they no longer had the originals.That's when the entire scheme was concocted. Who the real mastermind was, we don’t know, but it's widely believed that it was his wife who convinced him to go through with it. The accepted consensus is that Penders and his wife’s ultimate plan was to hold the Archie characters "hostage", forcing Archie (or even Sega) to either give Ken a comfortable position or, at the very least, cut him a fat check every time those characters appeared in a new issue or reprint.The whole “I wanted to go independent” excuse is just a cope because the scam didn’t work out.
>>150685297They’re tainted by association with Forces
Ken Penders is less of a lolcow than Ian Flynn is now honestly. Hell, he actually has a wife and kids, something most of /co/ doesn’t have.
>>150689960The key word here is "now".
>>150689270>ThanksKenPendersEWWW
>>150689987The name is mostly ironic, and although I mostly disagree with the author in many aspects regarding the Sonic IP, the one credit I can give to Bobbt is that they have never failed to call Penders out on his bullshit.
>>150690074He.
>>150690100It.
>>150687512The majority of the time I'll take the IDW stuff over Archie (often because it just had more years to build up flavor... Mammoth Mogul sucked originally, but was genuinely fun at the end when Flynn had Sonic going "oh my Rings, does this guy ever shut up?" too).But Scourge was "Sonic, except from an alternate dimension where good and evil are flipped!"Surge's background - she has no idea who she was, that person's been erased by a bastard that wanted to build his own evil Sonic - is genuinely more interesting. She's not the apex of creativity, just better than Scourge.That said, Finitevus >>>>> Starlight.
>>150689960>actually has a wife and kids, something most of /co/ doesn’t have.One day you're going to understand that this isn't an achievement, nor is it a validation of a person.That day you might become a better person overall.
>>150690304Snively best backstabbing henchman
>>150690360Sounds like virgin cope
>>150682583what's that green thing do
>>150690669Job
>>150690655Think of how many kids are even more of an asshole than you were at that age.Then imagine parents worse than the worst you have personally met.Nothing about being a parent or having kids is a mark of excellence. A family is a canvas; the art is in what you do with it.
>>150682583IDW is better for r34 artists
>>150690304Scourge was more fun and a more credible threat
I like Mordred Hood, he's a cool snake
>>150687512>Surge, Sonic imitation thats supposed to be superior, but is just overall glitched>One of the retro game glitches Ashura, making the other 2 characters with her the other glitches for Tails and Knuckles>Scourge, that evil Sonic from Adventures cartoon that wears leather jacket>Touched the Pendis Master Emerald to turn green and meanAre they even alike?
>>150690304>The majority of the time I'll take the IDW stuff over ArchieHoly fuck I couldn't disagree with you more. Archie always feels like it's fucking TRYING to be a comic book, IDW just feels like where pacing, layout, and expression (the artistic definition) came to die. I've only read early Archie, and some bits of pre-reboot Archie, but based on Ian's game and IDW "writing" I doubt his work on Archie is actually what his little cult of non-fans make it out to be.
>>150691366Surge is like two letters away from sCOurge. Scourge being green is also a reference to the Sonic 2 Ashura glitch. Surge also has an evil Tails that is manipulating her (that everyone forgets about)
>>150691413Scourge's tails didn't manipulate him, he was just a useless pussy who begged Sonic to save him.
Archie never being about Sonic is its strength and weakness. As a Sonic comic its not good, but when you look at it in the same ballpark as Tails gets trolled and Homestuck, its pretty good. Fleetway was better as just comic medium anyway, superior art and setting.IDW in comparison feels like the first true official Sonic comic.
>>150691393IDW's lack of compelling (comicbook) villains is more of a reflection of how barren game Sonic's world is. Game Sonic and his world weren't designed to have factions or reoccurring villains and the tradition is that when Sonic deals with a non-Eggman villain he deals with them.
>>150691366>>150691434they're not alike in character, but Surge was clearly meant to be a repeat where they weren't allowed to carry-forward a forbidden character cause Archie is noncanon. I don't much like her overly complicated Starline backstory that requires you to care about Starline to even find it sad. Originally she was just going to be a Female Clone grown in a clone vat.
>>150691413>Scourge being green is also a reference to the Sonic 2 Ashura glitch.Or WoW expansion Burning Crusade that also had green evil energy and came out when Scourge became green and scarred.
>>150691443It’s not Sega’s fault that IDW sucks at writing threatening villains. >b-but there’s a mandate that Sonic can never lose!Dude rarely lost in Archie to begin with. You don’t draw attention to those rules. Even a villain who never interacts with Sonic like Mimic is treated like a lame fuck.
>>150691480Archie was written like spanish soap opera, I doubt they had mandates.
>>150691501there was a long period where SEGA just ignored them so they could get away with anything. There's some funny interviews later at the end of Preboot when they finally started paying attention and telling Ian what to do and what not to do."I wanna do a future mxyl story." "Ok but don't show any of the game characters married." "...but they're already married there." "Ok fine""I wanna do a story with their parents." "No, Sonikku characters no have parents." "...but their parents have already been characters for decades." "Then stop showing them. And don't call them Mom and Dad either. Names onry. They strangers now."
>>150691480Sonic villains don't need to just be threatening to be memorable or have an effective role in a story. Like Fang is popular and during his debut he was a Wile E Coyote-like cartoon character, the opposite of threatening.The problem with IDW is it tries too hard to make most their villains treating (i.e. Mimic's knife or Clutch's gun can) but its mostly just posturing with no narrative weight behind it other than trying to make them look cool in a moment; it ends up making them paper tigers compared to the game cast.
>>150691393Oh, I said that backwards. I prefer Mogul, Breezy, Thunderbolt, and Finitevus to Starlight and... fuck I can't even be bothered to remember IDW's other villains. But I like Surge more than Scourge.
>>150682583IDW ones are better designed looks wiseArchie ones are better written
The Archie vs. IDW comparison always falls apart because you're supposed to compare 30% of 300 issues series to 100% 80 issues IDW comics. Surge appears on #50, Lanolin around #60, Belle around #40, and the first 30 or so issues are Neo-Metal introductions and Metal Virus Saga.This discussion is going to be very different in 2050 when both the series have the same length.
>>150691786Completely giving up on getting the rights to non-Ken old characters was a choice, as was not using the Freedom Fighters. So part of the math ends up being "was it the right choice?"I'd argue they should've tried to get SOME stuff, even if it would've been hard.
>>150691924They probably felt it wasn't worth the hassle.IDW doing fine without the old characters just reinforced that.
>>150692006The Archie characters had a lot of baggage not helped by Penders stealing from Byrne and other comic book writers
>>150685184I'm gonna be real with you Sonic fans. The games suck shit as far as narratives go. They are just absolute baby level dogpiss. Trying to force more narrative-focused genres like comics, movies, and cartoons to be "more like the video games" is one of the worst ideas for an adaptation of a franchise, it always ends up with boring sludge.
>>150691501Actually, they had "mandates", or rather, what happened was that Archie was supposed to report back to Sega (of America) to get their approval for every issue.At some point down the road, Archie took notice that Sega didn't ask for the revision so they stopped sending them for approval and Sega never asked again, thus the Archie staff was free to do whatever they wanted.Both parties are to blame, in my opinion, but Sega clearly has the biggest fault as it is their IP they were supposed to take care of.That's why Ian and company have such a hard time when it comes to the "mandates", they were too used to Archie just letting them do their fanfictions and now they have to answer to Sega who pulls their leashes, they get upset.
>>150688261Could I ask what it is that makes people believe that he might come back soon? I haven't been able to keep up with IDW without yanhomo platypus.
>>150692998There was a dark coffin filled with Chaos Emeralds in the issue before the last one, and the last one focused on a mind controlled new OC Twink.So, everyone is saying Starline is going to come back as a vampire Frankenstein.
>>150691557>still no game or story starring Knuckles, Rouge and Fang fighting to get their hands on a treasureSad
>>150692835Hi Arin
>>150693888...The game grumps guy?
>>150693234Thanks for replying anon.
>>150682583Hey. Would've be awesome if these two kissed?
It’s these guys you furfags really make liking this franchise such a slog
>>150695967YouTube poops don’t make you a fan tourist
>>150695873haha
>>150682583Archie just because of Elias.
>>150682583Archie has more that I like but IDW has a higher ratio if that makes sense. Archie is bogged down by like a million characters that don't matter, look ugly and/or are written like garbage.IDW's worst characters are forgettable at worst.
How would you write a crossover event between the Archie and IDW continuities?
I don't think I could name 3 IDW characters I like
Posting this poll here since it gives huge insight as to what characters are most liked and disliked on 4chan.https://allourideas.org/soniccharacters
>>150696895Why is she so low in the poll?
>>150692835It's an odd thing where the quality of the game as an immersive playground is inversely proportional to the quality expressed by its underlying themes. SA2 excluded, they pulled out all the stops because they figured Sonic would die with the Dreamcast
>>150696785Please don't remind me of that fic, it was hard enough to read the first time.
>>150697144She's too milquetoast
>>150697144she's too high
>>150697144She has been reduced to be Whisper's tard wrangler and has been shackled to her without doing anything else to stand out, including losing all of her unique traits (if you want to call what she had beforehand that, she was pretty forgettable even then).
>>150696895>Kit 5 points above SurgeDo people actually like him? These threads always gave me the impression that he was considered an unwanted plus-one to Surge's character.
>>150697998A lot of people like Surge on a surface level but that put more scrutiny on the character, unlike Kit who has a smaller but more dedicated fanbase.
>>150698130havent read any sonic comics are they worth reading. give me the run down
>>Lions Fan wearing Sonic Suit
>>150697998Surge fans are just waifufags, nobody really likes her as an actual character and the few that can only watch in shame as she continuously jobs and makes an ass of herself
>>150697144>>150697591It's a shame Tangle and Whisper got sucked into the same dyke vortex like Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy or Princess Bubblegum and Marceline did. The worst part is that they don't have years of stuff to remember before all their character traits got replaced with "I'm a lesbian"
>>150698181I'm mostly familiar with IDW, but:Archie and Fleetway are more comic-booky and compressed compared to the slower paced IDW. Archie is really long (over 300 issues) and has at least one major continuity reboot while Fleetway is very British. IDW is the most consistent out of the three in terms of presentation but it's also the least ambition in terms of storytelling.Overall, which one you like depends on what you're looking for out of a Sonic comic. For IDW, I would suggest reading some of the miniseries. They never exceed 4 issues long storylines and have some of the best writing of that series. Picrel is considered one of the best stories of IDW.
>>150687566>>150687656>>150688261>>150689382I wonder why can't they just put Eggman in jail for a few hundred issues so another bad guy can do stuff. I know they can't kill the Egg but can they just not use him for a while
>>150696545>characters that don't matter, look ugly and/or are written like garbage.You just perfectly described Belle and the Diamond Cutters.
>>150689382>but he's being mind-controlled by EggmanWorse actually. Eggman has a Spider Badnik latched to his head, which he keeps hidden with his hat, possibly a bomb. The Egg Bosses of Reboot may have had tech installed into them where Eggman could shut their body down whenever, but they at least remained threats. Clutch couldn't even reach that, dude could probably get his ass handed to him by Mordred Hood of all characters.
>>150698403She's just all the worst traits of Scourge into a single character.
>>150698932Sage has rendered not-marine I mean not-sticks obsolete as a concept.
>>150698741Archie tried that and Sega demanded he be brought back.
>>150682583Visually the IDW cast are more cohesive and appealing on a visual front but the freedom and variety Archie carried wirh its cast and setting is just unparalleled. The archie cast were allowed to progress as characters which also helps them a ton, so I'll honestly go with Fleetway > Archie > IDWSeriously, reading IDW feels like watching paint dry most of the time.>>150682617Based and true.
>>150698420Agreed. And it's like, sure, let them be a couple (as much as one can be in this comic under Sega's watchful eye), but man, she's BORING now. At the star, she's helping Sonic bash Badniks and the like, Speed Simulator has her running with Sonic, we get pic related calling back to Advance (again, with her and Sonic) and it's like "Cool, Sonic had a new adventuring buddy". But then no, she's just there to let Whisper have a shoulder to cry on, and the two are attached at the hip at all times.Reminder that even in Archie, Antoine and Bunnie, the only couple in Sonic to have a full on wedding, got to have adventures on their own.
Archie sucked, where the fuck did all you Archie glazers come from?
>>150697998>Do people actually like him?I honestly want for him to break out of the conditioning of being Surge's "bottom boy". That and I want him and Tails to have another confrontation, dude got that deep animosity for our fox boy.
>>150699157I'd rather take archie, warts and all, over the bland, unambitious idw, ngl.
>>150698741>I wonder why can't they just put Eggman in jail for a few hundred issuesScratch the hundred off there and replace it with dozen, and you've got the post-issue 200 Archie arc.
>>150699300Sonic was never meant to be serious and plot driven
>>150699320I like the gag era archie as well.
>>150699157Archie is a fun trainwreck, even when it's at its worst you can marvel at how things got this badIDW is just nothing
>>150698935Mordred Hood was rad, reptile characters really need to be more of a thing in Sonic media
>>150699316I remember reading this arc back when it came out. I didn't find the Iron Dominion particularly compelling (they reeked of filler villains imo) but it was fun (and kind of sad) seeing Eggman reduced to a walking YTP for a couple issues.https://youtu.be/-bNCfEvQFUY
>>150682583Surge is best girl
>>150691557Yeah it's so weird. They kept building up Clutch as this big threat. Laughing at Surge's face, scaring even Mimic, dialog heavily implying he's killed lots of heroes before. Alright, what's the big crime lord with tons of money and public influence gonna do? And then like...he just gets his ass kicked instantly and is reduced to a slave begging for mercy next appearance. I don't mind villain's jobbing, but it's like he jumped straight from buildup to post-defeat. The climax of his big multi-arc plan is just trying to shot Sonic with a laser? It's like going "oh Lex Luthor is here and he's gonna be one of the most dangerous foes yet!" and then he just sics henchman on Superman, and next issue he's broke and working for the Joker.
>>150699130>sure, let them be a coupleFuck no. No inch given
>>150701155I know I keep saying it again and again in these threads, but dammit, it shouldn't have been that hard to make a manipulative Kingpin type villain.>Always have a front man>never involve yourself in low end dirty work>keep that clean public persona (the one thing he did do right)>have either a gadget (Penguin) or brute force (Kingpin himself) to back you up (all Clutch had was a cane gun that did jackshit)>and pick you battles (getting uppity with Surge and Kit was so fucking stupid)Clutch should have been great and I hate that the writers went this route for him.
>>150701969Evan Stanley or Ian Flynn cannot write cerebral villains. Everytime they try they fail horribly and they only make the other characters look like gullible retards. Look at how botched Mimic and Nagus’s “secret” takeovers were.
>>150696785>>150697265REDISCOVERED FRONTIERS (THE JOURNEY TO THE WEST OF HOGFICTION) MENTIONED>last updated 7/27I cri everytiem
>>150701155it genuinely wouldn't be hard to do this kind of character>Sonic and friends discover his evil plot>they didn't manage to stop his henchmen from stealing something, but they did manage to catch Clutch>Clutch is quickly tried and actually sent to jail ... but he never seems worried>Sonic questions why he doesn't seem worried>show a page explaining all of the steps leading to Clutch getting out>evidence that was crucial to building the case against him suddenly found destroyed in the police evidence room>judges and DAs found to have financial records proving corruption, opening all of their cases>key witnesses went missing, no record of where they went, but their credit card info shows they recently bought plane tickets>Clutch leaves the jail, not even spending 12 hours of what was supposed to be a life sentence, as the new DA now assigned to his case decided to drop it
metal sonic is my favorite part of IDW, they give him so much personality with body language alone
fuck you penders you greasy meatball man
>ctrl+f>"Fiona Fox">Phrase not foundTrash thread
>>150701969>>150702309I remember reading one of the mandates is they can't show money, so really don't get why they'd make a CEO type villain. Especially when the worldbuilding and setting doesn't really lend itself to that, like who is he selling Eggtech to? I bet he was probably planned for Archie and then brought over with minimal changes>and pick your battles (getting uppity with Surge and Kit was so fucking stupidYeah that's the part that pisses me off the most. The two of them can easily kill him and a room full of his henchmen, and he has literally no leverage over them beyond threatening to ruin their PR. What should be a really badass moment for him just makes him look like he's begging to be slapped around. Again, to go with Lex Luthor, this would be like him laughing in Darkseids or Brainaics face
>>150701155Was this an Evan problem or a Flynn problem? I want to know who to blame for Clutch being the biggest waste of potential since Belle.
>>150702805It's more like focusing on money raises questions as to how these characters actually make their livelihoods so they're cautious about it coming up. Vector still whines about needing to make rent and it was even established in games that Eggman funds his enterprises by licensing out his tech underneath other names.>>150702818I'm not sure how Evan feels about it but I do know it's a huge Ian thing since Archie that he thinks every villain should play second fiddle to Eggman so he always cuts them off at the knees when it looks like they might be getting too big for their britches. I kinda get where he's coming from but it also means he's constantly kneecaping his own bad guys so it never looks like they're trying to one up Eggman, which is quite frankly, a every stupid way to write villains no one else does this.
>>150692846Source or you're just repeating fanfic about companies.
>>150692846It's a bit more complicated than that.Basically Archie did have mandates but mostly around the time Ian came on board. Before that they were a lot looser so when the mandates came down they had to take into the account the comics had a couple decades of a history of doing whatever it wanted so it was basically allowed to get away with more. After the reboot there were a lot more mandates that was basically SEGA finally getting the chance to wash their hands of a lot of the stuff they didn't like but was established as commonplace in Archie already, Sonic living on "Mobius" being one of the most obvious examples. Pretty much every issue of the comic opens with a blurb about how Sonic lives on Mobius up to the reboot.
Ideally, MOST Sonic Comic OCs should be villains. There’s enough of a cast of canon side characters and rivals that makes adding even more just redundant.A villain of the week format would really help IDW, especially when there’s no real villains for the comic anymore now that Starline and Mimic are gone, Clutch is Eggman’s bitch, Surge and her sidekick Jobbed so much they got redeemed, etc.
Lien-Da >>>>> Surge
>>150697998>Do people actually like him? Anon Kit has a good personality and a good design; we just hate how he's portrayed in the comics. He's supposed to be a rival to Tails in both intelligence and power, but we never see him building a machine to kill tails. All we've seen him do in the entire comic so far is hang around surge and that it.
>>150703114>so it never looks like they're trying to one up Eggman, which is quite frankly, a every stupid way to write villains no one else does this.If this really is Ian's mindset, then it's a stupid one when it comes to Clutch. Dude's whole enterprise was built using discarded Eggman tech, and his crew was always there to clean up after Sonic and Eggman's many fights. Out of all people, he's the only one that benefits from the Hero and Villain's constant struggle, he wouldn't have ANY reason to disrupt that cycle, hell, I could see him joining with the Restoration (using his public persona) and, if he feels that they might take down Eggman for good, leak shit to Eggman, so that the fighting never stops.Also, that money thing is dumb too, Sega acting like Casinos haven't been a thing since day fucking one with this series.
>>150703307The imposters’ motivations for hating Sonic and Tails are very flimsy and change constantly. They can never stick to if it’s the brainwashing or if they genuinely hate their actions.
>>150703199You put me at a difficult situation, anon. I don't remember exactly where I read it, but I know who said it: Ken "The Penders" Penders, as this was something regarding the first years of Archie Sonic.I don't have the time to search his tweets right now, and yes, I know Penders is a recognized liar, but the topic itself was not one I can see him making stuff up.I will have to get back to you on this if the thread is still up.>>150703275Even so, the point is that Sega did not police the comics as much as they do today. Back in the early days, they were much strict with the depiction of Sonic, but didn't care much about the rest of the cast. That's how Penders ended up with Knuckles, he had admitted all his initial ideas for Knuckles are actually recycled from Sonic ideas he proposed and were rejected, but because Sega didn't care about the other characters, Ken realized he had a blank check with Knuckles.
>>150703286Honestly down for that, the series is lacking in bad guys that stay around.
>>150682583Obviously Archie. IDW's OCs look like they were made in a 'design your own Sonic character' flash game from 2006.
>>150703286I'd love to see villains based on reptiles, insects or especially violent birds.
>>150704106Yeah most of them look like they go to the same store Amy does for clothes.
>>150703286Why do that when you can reuse the seven deadly six over and over again?
>>150699320Thing is, IDW tries to be serious and plot driven.It just really sucks at it. And also, all it's plot is undercut by being what amount to an Anime-only filler arc.
>>150702805A lot of the comic writers (and several fans) seem to misunderstand the actual point of the mandates.They can show money, it exists as a thing in the setting due to Vector's whining about it, but they can't make up some new currency like Mobiums or say that prefers yen or dollars or etc.If Clutch needs to be shown paying someone off, they can use a jewel, gold, or nondiscripr coins/bills. Or you know, the classic brown bag.
>>150705053It isn't a big deal but it just seems like a small thing to have a mandate on.
>>150705123It makes sense when you think about it this way:The IDW is supposed to be canon, even advertised as such. As such, the world within it should match the games.For now, money didn't need any reason to be fleshed beyond the basic concept. It's not like Exchange rates between Apotos and Haloska are gonna be important. But they still don't want to have that avenue boxed in by some secondary filler thing. So, you can't worldbuild money just in-case SEGA feels like doing it themselves some day.
>>150703286They should've pushed Neo Metal further back and had the first dozen or so issues be Sonic and Tangle journeying around the world and teaming up with a different Sonic friend to deal with original antagonists, all while weaving small threads here and there building up to Neo.
>>150689684Penders rewrote Tikal's tribe as retards who went feral trying to colonize the natives. As far as he's concerned, they're not canon to his echidna "epic".
>>150699316And before that, there was the period between Endgame and adapting Sonic Adventure where it was all about everybody trying to move forward in a post-Robotnik Mobius, but Sega forced the status-quo back.
>>150703275>MobiusSonic's world was named Mobius by Sega of America in their 1991 series bible, it has nothing specifically to do with Archie except they also used the name. EVERYONE used the name until Sega of Japan threw a tantrum.
>>150705504The way Penders has talked about the time they were forced by Sega to adapt Adventure into Archie, you can see how every illusion he had of Sega coming knock on his door to beg him let them use his brilliant Echidna lore in the games shattered into a million pieces.
>>150705504>prehistoric echidnas>smarter than all other races; keepers of forbidden knowledge>Acorns have this huge-ass library, purportedly the biggest in the world>Penders' note: "ackshually, the echidnas' one in Albion is bigger :p"He was too in love with the smell of his own farts.
>>150705772The worst part is that you're not even exaggerating, Penders has, in several occasions claimed that he put Sonic (or, at least, Knuckles) on the Western side of the map.His few toadies (if not fake accounts made by him) even claim he is "entitled" to Knuckles, even if he didn't create him.
>>150699347Same
>>150706317Nice
>>150705053source?
>>150705217>So, you can't worldbuild money just in-case SEGA feels like doing it themselves some day.a lot of people don't understand that's half the restrictions the comic has. It's not "Sonic's not allowed to do X Y Z", it's "the comic isn't allowed to define how Sonic does X Y Z, it's got to be the games first"
>>150707264>Jet had a high-strung ego, always on the verge of breaking apart like Sonic after drinking 3 Red Bulls. He had the balls to run such an ambitious operation, but lacked the brains to keep the gravy train from eventually running out of tracks.
