You're laughing!Calarts is on the verge of bankruptcy and you're laughing.
Art is something you really shouldn't go to school for. Once you learn the fundamentals you'll make more progress just grinding on your own those 4 years, I dunno how they got away with it for so long
>>150692761Stop, I can only get so erect.
>>150692761Unions destroy EVERYTHING
>>150692814networking. Schools exist for networking purposes.
>charge $60,000 a year per student>currently approx 1166 students enrolled>69 million dollars of revenue per year>this is somehow not enough money to run a school where students doodle every day on MacBooksI don’t get how college works
>>150692761It can’t die soon enough holy shit
>>150692889yet animators still can't find jobs lmao
>>150692761>All of those laid off worked in the administrative departmentHR sisters??? This isn’t looking good for us.
>>150692761But anon everything is on the verge of bankruptcy.
>>150692761
I like to joke that Hollywood productions spend millions on cocaine for the writers' room. Maybe the professors are getting high on the job.
>>150692761I would laugh harder if it was on fire
>>150692761Given the cable animation industry is done and networking is now pointless, there is ZERO reason for Calarts to even exist. This school as no purpose anymore outside now scamming students and should be shut down
>>150692889that made sense 30 years ago. But now with the internet, its useless.
>>150693034I know you live in your moms basement anon but I've got some shocking news most people enjoy face to face interactions. Even younger gens want to socialize and it builds connections quicker
>>150693100that could be a shoe print
>>150692761To be fair, everything in America is in the verge of bankruptcy
>>150692942lotta funny things will happen when the banks admit they're out of money.
>>150693131*Everything isNo need to express one country here, whole jewish system is going down
>>150693137>creatures that never see sunlight super stoked for a world where they can't easily get tenddies and mountain dewwhy are apocalyptic cultists so dumb?
>>150692814Art did require "schooling" at one point but this was usually no different from trade school, you'd apprentice, do a journeymanship, then become a master who would inherit or open their own studio. From this academies evolved from students who wanted to learn techniques but weren't going to be employed as apprentices any time soon. In both time periods it can be argued that imaging techniques were underdeveloped so you couldn't learn how to make art from any books, especially because almost all books about painting were private and many still are, you can barely find 3 before 1700 publicly available not in a "analysis book" second hand or for $200+ USD. For a very long time art schools were the only place you could learn art at all, but with the degradation of technique and better books and videos you can argue it isn't necessary anymore, but even then it's very in person teaching oriented especially at advanced levels because no books have recorded those yet and videos lack the 1 on 1 critique and instruction.
>>150692908>>150692889https://catalog.calarts.edu/programs/UvzOg8mt3npdQQJrTCkI>find syllabi for each course>see required learning>grab books secondhand>grab pen tablet>learn to animate for less than $500>???>profit
>>150693137Banks never had money, Anon. They run on debt and usury, literally creating money that doesnt exist out of thin air. Digital currency only made it easier for them.>bank has $0>I deposit $100>Bank now loans out that $100 to others, assuming they will pay it back with interest>i come back and get my $100>bank has $0 again, but hopes the loans get paid back and make money off nothing
>>150693180I've always gotten this vibe that a non-insignificant amount of people here have some kind of genuine disassociation problem; they somehow memoryhole the first 20-ish years or so of their lives and perceive themselves as some disembodied consciousness that just happens to be merely onlooking the world around them, so then it eventually gets to a point where they think something like WW3 could happen and literally nothing about their current status would change in the slightest - they just don't view themselves as an actual tangible human anymore (and then when something breaks that facade like the COVID lockdowns they go utterly fucking mental because it's like several years of reality just hit them all at once).
>>150692814Schools were the replacement of Apprentice-Master style of teaching which was ultimately the better way to teach someone but also less efficient when it came to student numbers.Learning art is regarded as some type of a highly talented field when in reality you can learn art the same way you can learn any trade, with practice and sheer repetition. Classic Disney studios didn't hire the best artists available, they literally picked people off the streets and asked them would they like to learn. They had their own animation workshop that taught everything to their new employees. Drawing from life or reference is a purely technical skill that doesn't require some type of unique talent and animators have to use a lot of references to do any motions convincingly.
>>150693229>>Bank now loans out that $100 to othersThis isn't how it works. If a bank has 100$, they get to and loan out 1000$
>>150693274>and then when something breaks that facade like the COVID lockdowns they go utterly fucking mental because it's like several years of reality just hit them all at onceI dunno about that, COVID lockdowns were comfy as fuck for me, though that's probably because I was working in a hotel finance department at the time, so I got laid off right when the lockdowns started hitting and was able to get some great unemployment.Seriously though, that shit was amazing, fucking $950 a week on unemployment for like a year and a half, that was basically like 90% of what I was making at my job at the time.
>>150693180I never said nothing funny would happen to the people on this board. Trust me autists are in for a very rough time.
>>150693137>>150693393nothing ever happens
>>150693310>They had their own animation workshop that taught everything to their new employees.Which is probably one reason Walt Disney resented the animators strike so much; it was the business he started and ran that taught them eveything.
>>150693310>reality you can learn art the same way you can learn any trade, with practice and sheer repetitionpyw
>>150692814You're an idiot. If you look at art historically it was taught as a trade. Master to student, mentor to mentee. >Once you learn the fundamentals you'll make more progress just grinding on your own those 4 yearsThe exceptions of artists doing this don't make the rule, there's only a handful that actually can self-learn this way. That and the advent of using the internet to learn is still really fuckin new compared to art education overall since antiquity and beyond. Also THIS anon gets it. >>150693310
>>150693034People you interact with in person will always be more valued than internet interactions. It's why you can bullshit your way to pormotions in normie jobs if you're charismatic and likeable enough.
>>150693205The reason school degrees are valued is because it's a certificate that you can complete that work under a deadline and under supervision. While there's cases where animating on your own can be great porfolio pieces or lead to jobs, it requires some blind faith to hire that.
>>150693274Have you considered you may be a coward?
>>150692761Yes
>>150693180>>150693274Some of us are so dejected that we don't much mind what will happen to us in this scenario. Me, life's goal has always been to have and raise kids. But things are so bad that when I go to Lidl I occassionally have to put food back to the shelves because everything is going up but wages. So either I live miserable and die childless or I live miserable, die childless, and I get to see motherfuckers lose all their ill-gotten prosperity.
>>150693917Have you considered you may be a retard?
>>150693137You know what to do!
>>150692908$60,000 a year is insane. I went to art school and the whole thing cost more than half of that and that was with a dorm. Sure my school wasn't nearly at that level, but fundies and education are fundies and education.
>>150692761TOTAL CALARTS DEATH FUCK YEAAAHHH
>>150694315even before the economy went to shit it was always a horrid value proposition unless you could luck out and be in the right place at the right time to strike it big with a show like spongebob or the simpsons. still much cheaper just to buy a lottery ticket
>>150692761Why does it look like a desert? I mean I know that this is the natural biome of the area, but I thought americans were big on spending resources to make and keep areas green despite the climate.
Wow, first Xbox now this. Good things do happen.
>>150694630QRD
>>150694648What, Xbox? They hiked up the price of GamePass leading to mass cancellations. CostCo isn't selling them anymore and other retailers are said to follow soon. And a guy who's predictions are always right said yesterday that they're scrapping their next console altogether.
>>150694589Lefties hate terraforming. There was a whole Captain Planet episode where Greedly makes a golf course in a desert and it's eeeeeeevil.
>>150693137Personally I'm looking forward to the Great AI Fuckening
>>150693393>Trust me autists are in for a very rough time.I was fine during Covid when normies were killing themselves for staying inside for more than a week. I'll be fine again.
>>150692814THIS.Formal education on art destroys creativity.inb4 sunken cost fallacy artcells who were duped into going to college
>>150694769i'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, how does a bubble popping affect the middle and lower class for a brainlet? is it like "i can't get hired because all these companies literally went bankrupt"?
>>150695074basically everyone selling their stocks and pulling their funds will cause a massive market crash and recession. Economics is funny like that.
>>150695149History will not be kind to this era when they record our disgusting slop based economy
>>150692761I'm...cumminngggg.... hrrnnnngghhhhh100% it's just overblown and a big nothingburger, but a man can dream.>>150692814Lots of colleges are simply there as a "prestige" thing or outright just for connections, not for the shit you learn there. I mean obviously more technical stuff needs more actual learned skills, but shit like CalArts is entirely there to A: hammer in a bunch of art/social ideals into you so you exit as some kind of soulless drone ready for the market and B: give you lots of "free" connections to the industry, like some kind of overpriced ticket.Really, most skills in 20XX are easier and faster to learn via the internet than going to college, colleges simply can't beat the raw power of being able to CHOOSE how/when/where you learn.>flunk literally every history lesson in every school I've ever been to because they just taught garbage, either unverified trash bordering on mythology that ended up being 100% false after scrutiny, covering the same narrow view of the Holocaust for the fifth time, or making us memorize birth years of some queen 200 years ago in another country>fast forward to today and half my Youtube playlist is shit like Tasting History or HTME or other history-based channels and I know a lot more about actual history now than I did back in school despite doing this voluntarily>>150694765Having lived with a literal gay drag queen for a few years (cool dude though), and lived in close proximity with other gay dudes, my guess is moreso that they're fucking to distract themselves or to feel better about the fact the RNC is there. Gay dudes are always looking for reasons to fuck each other or meet up at some nightclub to take drugs and have more sex.Hell, knowing how some of those gay dudes get, there's a non-negligible chance they're topping as Trump while the bottom's wearing a sombrero.
>>150694315You're paying for the name and the views too. A CalArts degree will be taken more seriously than some minor art school who's alumni aren't on the radar.
>>150694680>people will do this to Xbox but not to the Nintendo Switch 2 which is even worseNintendo fans are cattle.
>>150695274Nintendo isn't jacking up the price on anything and still has exclusives people want.
>>150695290>Nintendo isn't jacking up the price on anythingThey literally caused the price of gaming as a whole to go up with the Switch 2. Sony and Microsoft started jacking them up sometime after the announcement.
>>150692761calarts is only for girls, gays, and asian people btw
>>150692761Genuine question: What the fuck even is the purpose of Calarts these days? New short films from that school are Newgrounds-level quality. The original purpose of that studio was for students to graduate with the skill level to work on a 2D Disney feature, but Disney doesn't fucking make 2D features anymore.
>>150692889>spend several 10s of thousands on a chance to meet the right person MAYBE
>>150694075This. There is basically no way for my life to improve. There are no well paying jobs available to me, I couldn't afford the education to do something else, I live paycheck to paycheck and can't save to buy a home or afford to have a family. I just exist. My dreams are fucking memes. I would be more than happy for WW3 to start or the economy and society to collapse because at least it would bring some fundamental change. I don't think people who value society because they have things they're afraid of losing realize just how many people DON'T have anything they're afraid of losing, up to and including their own lives.
>>150693137that is very anti semitic
WARNINGWARNINGCALARTS SHILLS ARE ATTACKING THE THREADREPEATCALARTS SHILLS ARE ATTACKING THE THREADWARNINGWARNING
>>150695623good, i await their seethe as it brings me great entertainment
>Calarts thread gets invaded by YearMonthDate screencap bots and political shills
Sure feels like a botted political influence operation in here. Reminder that there are active social media manipulation campaigns everywhere that focus on spreading negativity. That means they'll LARP as both sides of whatever issues they're using as a wedge and rapid fire a ton of posts to wear down your defenses.Even if you give the benefit of the doubt what does it say about schizophrenics if they're virtually indistinguishable from bots and foreign engagement farmers?
>>150694589It's just an attempt at keeping natural landscape close to the parameters of the school, further in the campus there's a lot more greenery. News articles tend to use worse looking images for bad stories, and better looking ones for positive ones.
>>150692814I'm a chud that hates clownworld and I know that's not a serious take. There are people from every level of richness that might not know they're into art, but if they're around such an institute it might jog something. Thus letting them breathe life into the zeitgeist around them.
Was Calarts really that bad? Or was it mostly just a way for people with money to pay their way into the industry to get connections?
>>150692761Well...yeah
I'll be honest, I feel very little about the downfall of the American animation industry.I can count the new cartoons I've watched in the last 5 years on two hands.
>>150693274>>150694075>>150695565a lot of problems would be solved in the long term if China and India had a nuclear tradeoff.
>>150692761>Calarts is on the verge of bankruptcyThey aren't any worse off than most other schools at this time. Most universities are making cut backs. The economy sucks right now, desu.
>>150692761every one of these schools could go under and beanmouth would still persist because the industry still demands cheap and easy ways of doing things. your beanmouth show will now just be done by AI
>>150695986USA destroying itself in civil war is looking much more likely than that
>>150695986everyone wants this until you realize that the jeets would take everyone with them out of spite
>>150692761Realistically asking: Is shutting it down the only way or the easiest?
>>150695928the thing is this downfall was brought upon themselves by their pride. rather than admit some failures or compromise with their audience they would rather create to own their enemies rather than to entertain or tell a captivating story. im not sad, just disappointed
>>150696124If they own a fair amount of real estate, they might sell it or try to maximize as much money they can get out of it as possible. Many universities do this, especially in large coastal cities. I don't see this school shutting down unless things are really that bad.
>>150692761how is this even possible with how expensive the tuition is?how can any university go bankrupt with how much they fucking cost to go to
>>150692761Yeah, turns out the animation industry completely fucking dying two years ago with near nonstop industry veterans complaining how they are broke and leaving LA had a knock on effect of inspiring students to not want to bother with animation school. That whole weird Cause->Effect thing again
I often dream about how my life would have turned out if I smartly prepared myself for this
>>150692866This!
>>150692814gathering resources is its own skill, a lot of people spend years drawing in a vacuum and never learn to draw despite the ease of access of books, videos, communities etc... even back then, paid or otherwise a lot of people don't know what makes a good resources, what is worth their time, much less on how to study by themselves without guidance from a teacherplus, most people going to a school like cal arts aren't permabegs who want to make art for feelings, this isn't School of the Art Institute of Chicago. They're going to get skills and connections to work in the industrymost people going to art school sit in the middle of the pyramid, not the bottom
ATTENTION ALL CALARTS SHILLS, calarts is shit, it encourages people to be as conservative and corporate as possible with their art. Beanmouth of course is the cancer everyone thinks of when they think of this shitty school, but before then they forced all animators to use lame ass Disney character acting in their animation rather than making something unique, expressive, or rebellious, and now the calarts folks are working on shitty samey looking Disneyfied 3D films. This school in modern years is a dumping ground for delulu Disney adults and nothing more, it damaged the animation industry and you're shilling it. Keep making all modern cartoons as stiff, shitty, and possible anons.Disney was influential to the industry and its existence is justified but it also did a lot to fucking damage cartoons, Looney Tunes, the pinaccle of western animation, was made to rebel against how conservative and safe Disneyshit was, and now nobody gives a shit about it and everyone shills beanmouth shit whilst refusing to give attention to stuff that gives artists actual freedom like The Day the Earth Blew Up, Fixed, modern SpongeBob, The Patrick Star Show, and those Mickey shorts. but oh well, you /co/fags don't give a shit about good cartoons, you're too busy saying "OH MAH GOD WILL THAT NEW BEANMOUTH DISNEYTVA SHOW BE GOOOODDD!?!?!?!", you care more about fapping to children than the state of the industry cause being an "animation fan" online doesn't mean jack shit these days.
>>150696044Anon. AI will end the industry. Who in the fuvk woukd ever watch Disney when an ai bot can create unlimited oc characters without their twisted morality and genuine hatred of the audience. >>150696181Misappropriation of funds and theft. >>150696183Yeah...its their fault for being honest rather then helping maintain a rapidly collapsing bubble.
>>150695326>They literally caused the price of gaming as a wholeAre you getting paid to post BS or do you do it for free?
>>150693034>>150693193Internet did kind of take away the need for basic level learning since you have tutorials for almost everything. Proving >>150692814 right, but only due to internet being common now. And the need for networking is about the same, you can do that on social media fairly easily as well. Also less of a need to send in portfolios in the old fashioned way. Just maintained a strong presence on social media.
>all the spam actually got deletedGood work Jannies. By the honor of Calarts, Im giving you a 100%.......NO.......a 200% raise!
>>150696308>Who in the fuvk woukd ever watch Disney when an ai bot can create unlimited oc characters without their twisted morality and genuine hatred of the audienceI think you're fooling yourself if you think the AI tools advanced enough to do that are going to be made available to everybody or able to be run locally on the average PC. At least not for a price that isn't prohibitively expensive to anyone but the corpos. Right now they're letting us use this shit for free because we're basically unpaid (or even paying) testers but longer term they want to see a return on investment so it will either cost a fuckton or the bubble will collapse.
>>150696472a toast to the jannies! for their 300% no, 500% pay increase!
>>150693180Most of them live in some delusion that they are all highly skilled survival experts because they played minecraft as a kid and know where the grocery store is. Double that if they live in a rural area. For some reason people that happen to have a house outside the city in a rural county just plain believe that they are all wilderness survival specialists. Even though they have never once spent a day without electricity before. >>150693229Yes, everyone learned that in the 1930s. Most people today learned it watching It's a Wonderful Life every Christmas.
>>150695015It was hyped by old people and smokers who are the #1 at risk of death from it. Turns out everyone in every high level of government is a chain smoking old person who is already extremely unhealthy and likely to die from a typical case of covid. It was possibly the single greatest example of aging boomers just completely fucking over everyone else again. Almost every single small business died, to the point where the core concept of a self owned small business basically eroded from existence as we know it...so the 80 something old smoking boomers in the chamber of commerce can cling to power for a few more years.
>>150695767It wasn't bad per se, but for the price of tuition you'd expect every animator to come out a demigod who can draw circles around almost anybody. Yet most people who come out are Pen Wards or Alex Hirchs.
>>150696203I have no idea what you're talking about, but it's never too late. You just need to start doing what you wished you had started 5 years ago now so in 5 years you won't still be wishing the same thing.
>>150696308>when an ai bot can create unlimited oc characterstasteless faggot detected
>>150696596The difference is, those guys are landing the better jobs and becoming the big names in the industry. Simply due to where they went to school and what friends they made along the way.
>>150696300>lame ass Disney character actingKys spumguzzler
>>150694680Thanks
>>150696654nta and I hear similar sentiments a lot but it's really not that easy for a lot of people. If you're living on your own and responsible for all of your costs and those leave no room to save, you're basically trapped. If you didn't make your life decisions at like 18 to pursue a particular path through college/work and stuck to it, or if your family is rich and willing enough to support you switching tracks later in life there's not a lot of room for manoeuvre.
>>150696452>And the need for networking is about the same, you can do that on social media fairly easily as wellThis seems about right on paper, but anyone who actually does this shit will tell you that meeting in person is far more effective and will result in far more opportunities. Humans still get a lot of nonverbal cues from body language, voice tone, facial expressions, etc. If you meet up with someone to chat IRL for a coffee, they'll get a MUCH better feel for you than e-mailing, DMs, discord, or video calls. It's weird, but even if you book a gig virtually, you'll tend to get far more notes and revision requests because the person doesn't feel like they know you. If you meet up with them IRL even once, they'll tend to relax a lot more and just let you do your thing. Aside from that, random encounters happen more often than you'd expect. The person standing in line with you for coffee could end up leading to your next gig, or someone you meet at the gym might be good friends with someone looking to hire. It's kind of weird how often that happens. It's also the reason people always suggest not being a dick to other people. You never know who you're talking to. Artists aren't idiots (despite what /co/ tends to believe). They wouldn't flock to LA if it was just as easy to stay where they are and do the same thing, and a lot of people who live in LA wouldn't stay there if they could move elsewhere and own a house and keep the same sort of stream of work coming in.
>>150696670Are they though? Alex's Netflix deal fell apart and he's not working anywhere to my knowledge. Pen Ward's Netflix show also ended. Both are living off their Gravity Falls and Adventure Time royalties.
>>150693229Learning just how much of the US GDP is theoretical money based on stock evaluation and asset appraisal is fucking mortifying.
>>150696464lol
>>150696807Just wait till the AI slop bubble finally bursts
>ban evasion
>>150696738My family is not rich and I've had to support myself 100% since becoming a legal adult. I've had a bunch of shitty jobs and I felt completely trapped and hopeless through my 20s. I ended up drinking a lot to numb the anxiety and depression instead of actively working towards my goals thinking it was hopeless. Who does that really end up working out for? I was under the impression that you had to be rich and extremely attractive and well connected to do anything. In my 30s, I finally decided to start taking steps towards living the life I wanted and really focused on increasing my skills, meeting people, earnestly making work (most of which sucked), joining professional organizations, and trying to find pro bono gigs to help build out my portfolio. Things started moving towards the end of my 30s, and now in my 40s I'm not exactly killing it, but I'm making a meager living doing creative work (I was able to quit my shit jobs) and have some really good connections with some recognizable work to my name and some bigger gigs on the horizon. I'm not "home free", but I'm in a much better place than I was 10 years ago. It's really fucking hard. I'll never tell anyone that it's easy. But you need to commit to working on your craft every day. I personally found that it was easier to wake up earlier and work for a few hours BEFORE going to my job because I knew that after work I was going to be mentally and physically fried. Save your freshest brain for your creative work. Then you can sack out after your day job (although sometimes you may be so excited about what you're working on that you come back to it).Success isn't guaranteed, but non-success is if you don't even try. You have one life. Fucking go for it. When you're on your deathbed, you're not going to think "thank god I didn't even bother trying to live my dreams."
>>150696859Considering the first actual test of the current FBI was the Kirk shooting, which the FBI were absolutely useless at doing anything, the entire branch is completely fucked for a long time
>>150696903You dont know what's really going on. Its not good. Don't bring this here. Why haven't the mods stopped these threads yet? Is it because of the blood moon?
>>150696766>Alex's Netflix deal fell apartNetflix gutted their entire animation department. Still, Hirsch produced Inside Job, has written for a bunch of productions, voice acted on a bunch of others, and still has clout from GF which puts him in a better position than most to maneuver into another gig. >Pen Ward's Netflix show also endedPen Ward did Bravest Warriors for Frederator after Adventure Time and then followed that up with Midnight Gospel. He also recently released the pilot for Mystery Cuddlers. While the last of the 3 wasn't a whopping success, he's had a good run of it so far. Adventure Time was a paradigm shifting moment in western animation, and his name still garners a lot of respect. In both of these cases, these are creators who created incredibly profitable and popular shows. The industry at large isn't greenlighting new IPs which they can't really be blamed for, but they've had good careers after their major shows ended, and if the industry comes around, they'll be in a pretty good position to do something new should they choose.
>>150696896Sure why not.
>>150693229So close to the realization, yet so far. What you describe is the fractional reserve system. They need only 15% of the money they lend. The other 85% materializes from thin air. Quantitative easing, fiat money, central banks are others cancers.Strangely, commieniggers fight for all of those, while at the same time shit on bitcoin and libertarians who wants to end all of those systems.
>>150696300once upon a time i would have thought this was a real autist, but its probably ai
>>150695565Ok I will bite. Which actual society improving/maintaining trades do you know? None? Then you are neither skilled or talented and you have the place in life that you deserve.And yes, there is a way for your life to improve. Serve society. Learn something that society is willing to pay for. Not something "you and only you enjoy". Because you dont get money from (you), you get your salary from (others).
>>150696672Animation where you can make characters have fun expressions and fun poses is a lot more fun to look at than lame ass Disney acting you see in millions of other shit, cry harder Calartsguzzler
>>150696472I just watched this piece of shit after the original series. Unironically the original has better art, better animation and isnt covered in 2010 call of duty chromatic aberration. They try to cope with over flashy beams and particle effects.
>>150697349Kys fag
>>150692761Historically Cal Arts was the best animation school in the world and people shouldn't be happy that they've fallen on hard times. They had always gotten the majority of their funding through endowments from the major studios, and they were training their students to enter a workforce where their skills would be utilized to the fullest. It was good ecosystem that worked well for a long time.Now all the animation is being outsourced overseas and the only people who can afford to go to Cal Arts are people who have rich parents or are one of the 0.5% of applicants who are actually good enough to get their tuition paid by the school. And rather then being trained for jobs that will be provided by the studios when they graduate, they are being given empty promises of going indie or making their own pitches that might possibly get picked up someday. That's why Cal Arts has gone from its world class reputation to just churning out pretentious art pricks who can't actually make anything of quality.The studios need to start investing in more movies and shows that people are actually going to watch and can pull in a profit, and they need to start animating them in the US. Otherwise Cal Arts and every other institution for training animators is going to go the way of the dodo.
>>150696766I'm not talking about right now. CalArts was the primkary stepping stone to land a directing or showrunning gig. At the time when gigs existed.They are not getting work right now the same way nobody is getting work right now like >>150696183 said, the industry died two years ago.
>>150692761Why the US celebrates the demise of important institutions because of politics. John K was just a bitter has-been, and some of his less talented followers spread this awful meme.
>>150695505Technology caught up with them and is now affordable and plentiful. Before 2015 or so very few people could get a decent tablet, gain some skills on youtube, and learn how to make their own animations and put them up for everyone to see. You had to go to an art school just to have access to the tools necessary to make something worthwhile. Now anyone can do it with a $200 tablet and existing free software.
>>150697705Stuck Ups and shills are destroying your country
>>150696745They flock to LA because every job is there and majority of the studios are not remote. You have to live there to work there.
>>150697705It's actually looking like things are moving towards SCAD being the next big school that trains the next generation of big names. A lot of the current big names moved over to teaching there. If they open up a Burbank satellite campus then it will be a foregone conclusion.
It’s better to learn from a true visionary like John k on his FREE online cartoon school. It’s how me and guy learned how to make cartoons!
>>150697916I don't think John K would teach me for free because I'm not a 14 year old girl.
>>150697758Cope beanhsitter
>>150697818yes. How does that negate what I said?
>>150693024Also, the fact that 2D animation hasn't been relevant in over 15-20 years in theaters and the only people that can pull it off are the old school animators who are about to retire or die.
>>150697916
>>150697947As that poster referenced I learned from John to draw cartoons. The wildly popular Homestuck styles are largely defined by my artistic philosophy and sensibilities developed from John. I’m male btw
>>150698312A degree in just art in general is useless since there is no career path attached to it. Most of these schools have degrees in painting, sculpting etc but those have no real mans of helping someone land a job doing those. A 4 year college is still not going to give someone the same skills they could have learned if they apprenticed or were taught by someone 1 on 1. It really just gives them some fundamentals and they will still need to work and practice for a few years after graduation to be good enough to start doing it for money. At least animation is a technical skill with an industry and career field attached to it. And most of these same art schools are also film schools that also provide degrees in film making, sound design, motion media, music recording, all of those other technical skills that definitely have a career after graduation.
>>150697758Because institutions and influencers have spent the last decade training people to think politics in every single instance of their lives. And they divide the world into US and THEM. so they always celebrate when their perceived THEM is hurting in some way and treat it like some amazing cultural victory for all mankind.
>>150697313(not the anon you're replying to)Is this bait, are you an unironic boomer, or did you not read that post?>Which actual society improving/maintaining trades do you know?This is misdirecting the question. What that other anon is mentioning is that, as recently as 30 years ago, a 'regular' job could be enough to sustain yourself and live. Boomers literally became millionaires working at the same factory/office for 20 years.Now, people are either permanently struggling or in one of like 5 fields that are actually important and have opportunity. And even if you're actually a tradesman/plumber/whatever, high cost of living is still an issue that just wasn't so grossly awful 7 years agoAlso, an individual person isn't at fault if society is structured to be full of BS jobs>Serve society. Learn something that society is willing to pay for.The entire problem is that wages haven't kept up with cost, moronThe average employer is fucking dogshit, and the upper class has no problem reintroducing serfdom. Even formerly respected professions like lawyers and some doctors and struggling
>>150698470One thing that boomers seem to really not pay any attention to is how volatile the workplace has become in the last decade. Nobody works a solid 20+ years anywhere any longer. Most companies filter out their employees and make sweeping layoffs as a standard routine practice now. This has caused 2 big issues, one that no one can remain employed so they cannot take on bigger debts like a house or car. People are buying less and investing less back into the economy. And second, no one expects to remain employed so they shy away from making any major purchase like a house because they think any day now their job might vanish and they will have to live on their savings for some undetermined amount of time. Leaving them to continue living like a student well into their 30s-40s. Someone who has been laid off 2 or more times is going to be overly cautious about their spending. Even someone who has not but seen lots of layoffs in their company is also going to be too cautious about spending, and assume they are just lucky so far but eventually their number is coming. But boomers love to stick to their simple easy excuses and never ever pay attention to the situation. So they want to think no one is buying a house or sticking to a single company for more than a few years because they are clearly lazy entitled drug addicts that actually Want to continue living like a student forever.
>>150692761noI'm cheering
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>>150698749Boomers have made refusing to pay any level of attention and blaming the victims into an art form. It's ALWAYS your fault you got laid off or your company went under. Fuck you you lazy entitled little shit looking for a handout!They also cannot grasp housing costs have blown up and refuse to see or hear any information that could teach them this. They locked in a 30 year mortgage 45 years ago, and refinanced about 6 times since then. They are currently paying a $200K 1992 price for a three bedroom house across the street and next door to some equally sized $600K-$800K houses and they have no fucking idea. They just think houses cost exactly the same since they are right now paying a low low price for a house. They will never humor anyone trying to explain this to them.
>>150692761We need food, we need shelter, we need clothes. Entertainment is useful for coping with the daily stress of our lives but we don't actually need it to survive. Our spending power has shrunk exponentially and it continues to shrink. Industries that aren't essential to our survival should had thought ahead and found ways to remain competitive.
>>150692761People replaced entertainment with politics now.No one wants to see a cartoon unless the cartoon is parroting a party line and complaining about the other side. People just watch hours and hours of news, or some commentator bitching about politicians. Nobody gives a shit about scripted series any longer. We have politics 24/7!
>>150699000all i want is just cartoons to be cool again, the problem now is people are trying to dictate what is considered cool in their eyes and push to towards the people
>>150699000>No one wants to see a cartoon unless the cartoon is parroting a party line and complaining about the other side.No.That was USaid, and other countries, most notably Israel, polluting media eith their fuck awful trash. No one wants politics. Its just degenerates and politicians took over.
>>150699032And more often than not, what they consider cool is actually really fucking lame
>>150699000>>150699032>>150699037>>150699107This is the thing with these people. We've had cartoons with politics in the past. Shadow Raiders was antiracist. Biker Mice From Mars was anti capitalist. Bucky O' Hare was anti imperialist. Toxic Crusaders was environmentalist. Dinosaurs was all around antirepublican. But they weren't preachy (except for Dinosaurs on occassion). They were entertaining and they worked the message into the setting. And even if you didn't like it, there were jokes or lasers and action for you to enjoy.
>>150693100Astronaut shoe print
>>150699379atleast in older media politics could be set aside for the sake of enjoying it and as the shows got older the message fades but if you watch fucking anything now it's faggot american republican/democrat slop shit and in 15 years it'll be like watching family guy cut away gags about celebrities that you've never heard of, it'll be all completely worthless.
>>150699000Mmm, no, I don't think that's the case.I think the issue is that American (and western in general honestly) creatives decided to throw their hats into the political arena and decided that their work should be political pulpit instead of entertainment. It's not that people replaced entertainment with politics, it's that entertainers decided they wanted to be politicians.The current state of American entertainment industries is the natural end result of that.
>>150699000That politics in your cartoon crap started in the 90s with agenda driven entertainment.80s glorified Toy commercials for the win.
>>150699639its funny how the industry is becoming more like the 80's with many animators desperately trying to sell plushies to get a profit
>>150699000It is funny when conservatives try to pretend they also don't want this when shit like Mr. Birchum and The New Norm exists.
>>150699994But no one watches that stuff, not even conservatives.The only conservatives or leftists who make anything interesting these days are the eastern ones.
>>150700064I guess I don't really know what conservatives want out of entertainment, honestly. If someone makes conservative media, they don't engage with it, and they get mad when liberal media does liberal stuff. I can only conclude that they want liberals to make conservative things for them, which is incoherent.
>>150700119I think most people just want entertainment that's not full of political brainrot.80% of people in the modern era are center right or center left liberals, the heavy polarization is mostly a result of certain retarded policies, corporations stoking the flames, and dogshit media made by people who care more about owning the people they disagree with than anything else.It's part of why a lot of American entertainment is just flat out dying, because it's just not interesting and comes off more as the creator(s) bitching into the ether about people they don't like.
>>150696055>USA destroying itself in civil war is looking much more likely than thatNo, Americans are just going to get louder and more annoying and psychotic every passing year but they'll never actually make any moves against each other because, despite all the bluster and all the guns and all the threads, they're all just a bunch of fucking pussies.
>>150699562>tfw you realize Anita Sarkeesian was the fucking Gavrilo Princip of the 21st CenturyHistory books are going to omit this entirely, I can only imagine what other stupid trivial seeming shit has upended society in the past.
>>150699994I think that was also a part of that anon's complaint. Everything is someone's political bitching/rant now. Either side.
>>150699734I mean if you arent trying to sell toys(or plushies) with your cartoon then what "ARE" you trying to sell with it?
>>150700119They have become the angry parents and religious nuts that cannot stand that entertainment they would not care to watch continues existing. Even if they do not want to watch some show/movie, they don't want anyone else watching it either.
>>150700251Anita was just a grifter but retards were so loud that they showered her with the attention she wanted to profit off of them being retarded.
>>150696672>>150697383You first sperg tourist>>150697964Arrest hothead
>>150700829It was literally ground zero for the present culture wars, which it could be argued have played enough of a role in society to change the outcomes of fucking elections. Pre-Anita the only people bitching about the content of fictional media were a tiny handful of fringe conservative moralfags who were largely ignored.
>>150700251I'm surprised it started with vidya Imagine an alternate timeline where instead of gamergate it's cartoongate or comicgate
>>150700119That way of looking at it is part of the problem. Media shouldn't be divided into red and blue, because it ends up being impersonal and interchangeable. You get an expy of some figure on the other side as the bad guy, superficial dressings of an ideology, and talking points the writer got off of google. It's not a story, it's MadLibs.I want to see stories that somebody wants to tell. Something shaped by how they've lived or what they've experienced. I want it to be told so I can empathize, not so I can spam pics of it saying it destroyed the other team. I want to root for somebody, not just hear why other team is bad.For example, scroll up in this thread and you'll see some people talking about life. The experiences and challenges they have faced. It's adulthood in the 21st century, and many people can relate to it. I would read a story from an Anon that draws from that. Not one where characters just sit around and bemoan it, or where the point is that all of these problems are because of the other team. Tell me a story of somebody facing these challenges and struggling to overcome them. It's not about the big political thing that's easy to talk about, but the personal struggle that's hard to talk about.If >>150696896 gave me a story like that, I would devour it. It could be about fuzzy aliens or mechs or superheroes or whatever, and as long as it is sincere, I want to see it. Even if he doesn't agree with me politically, I want to see it. I'd rather see a thousand sincere stories I disagree with than an empty one that agrees with me on everything down to zoning laws.
