Why don’t Westerners create something similar?>Hand-drawn, not 3D>Good animation>Good fights (I don’t like it, but most people do)>Actual budget>Actual marketingThe closest thing we ever got was Avatar and Kung Fu Panda (although 3D).
Because Western animation is all CG these days. Or the 2D stuff that is there is just a money laundering scheme like in The Boys. Also: The "animation is cinema" crowd, by and large, refuses to make the kind of mature animation people want. The French and the Japanese are like the only ones with real variety in their animation output.
What led to the death of 2D animation in the West? There's no reason something like Into the Spider-Verse couldn't have been 2D.
>>150705611>>Actual budget>>Actual marketinganon, i...
>>150705676>What led to the death of 2D animation in the West?normalfags
>>150705692comapred to western 2D animation, Demon Slayer budget is huge
>>150705676Union animators. Just look at how all the CGI animators keep getting fucked over. Hollywood just wants to squeeze out as much money as possible which is why they only make slop
The pipeline isn't there because the big studios killed their 2D animation departments.
Yeah, yeah, east vs west shit bla blaCan we talk about how this is the first 2D animated to reach 700 million dollars in the box offfice in over 30 years. This is something that hasn't happened since the original Lion King. I don't care what your shitposts have to say about it, this is huge no matter how you slice it
>>150705704>comapred to western 2D animationWhich is nothing at all?
>>150705611America is trapped in a private equity crisis.Over the past 20+ years companies have slowly been bough out by private equity which then proceeds to cut as much cost as possible while maximizing shareholder value. While this makes the investors money, it comes at the cost of the studio no longer making quality content as they are stuck making "safe" by-the-numbers content which can be marketed to as many people as possible.Two examples of this:-MGM studios was bought out by private equity, gutted, then sold off to another private equity which did the same. Once all value was extracted it got sold from company to company for its IP library. They don't make anything anymore.-The second example is Netflix. When every company got into having their own streaming platform and none of them could share IPs like the music streaming platforms do, they had to start making their own content. They pivoted from a streaming platform to a production studio. You would think this would give creators more freedom to make shows, and you would be wrong as shows made for streaming are more made-by-committee than they have ever been with strictly profits in mind, no creative types in control who have their own goals of making anything with artistic or entertainment value.Japan is far smaller than America and still has some semblance of a mono-culture. America does not have that and hasn't had anything like that for a lone time. When was the last time 70% of the American population were all watching the same shows? Probably in the 90s or 80s.But you're not interested in any of this, OP. You just want another East VS West thread to jerk off over. You don't care about the different macroeconomic situations.
>>150705847on actual animation, not voice actors
>>150705611It's far more fundamental than >>150705652. It's not just that the technical skillsets aren't there, but also current western creatives are either milquetoast homebodys or mindbroken political activists. The West is simply no longer based enough to create a character like CHADkaza.
>>150705704>comapred to western 2D animation, Demon Slayer budget is hugeIs it?Infinity Castle's budget was like $20 million.The Day the Earth Blew Up had a budget of $15 million.
>>150705848Netflix never made anything of value anyway, even before the flood of streaming services, so I'm starting to think streaming service originals is just a bad idea as a whole.Few things that were somehow enjoyable, were in spite of Netflix rather than because of them. (Mindhunter is only good because of Fincher's involvement for instance)
>>150705611you first need a comic that is popular with a wide range of generations.
>>150705859Most western 2D projects can't afford big name voices for their projects
>>150705875Yes? Again, all of their productions have the board of executives' fingers up the asses of the people making the show.Executive meddling is no longer just meddling, but a full blown constant force. It's like how Windows 11 has fucking ads baked into the OS now.
>>150705611The anime industry is 90% adaptation of an already existing story (manga, LN, VN, classic novel), while most western animation media are completely original.Anime production are thus easier since most of the work is in the art direction
>>150705835>>150705748Yeah, it's based western media is being put through this humiliation ritual for abandoning traditional animation. Total industry DEATH.>>150705875>Netflix never made anything of valueIt made exactly one thing of value. The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance.And it killed it.It strangled by far the best thing it ever made, in the crib.Everything western animation is suffering right now, is karma for that insane decision.
>>150705611I don't even know that anime
>>150705676Internal studio politics
>>150705611Anime only tends to get greenlit if the manga version did well first.
>>150705941It falls under the >Few things that were somehow enjoyable, were in spite of Netflix rather than because of themcategory.I can't believe people were ever under impression Netflix would make the world take animation seriously.
>>150705848>When was the last time 70% of the American population were all watching the same shows? Probably in the 90s or 80s.That's mostly because American creatives stopped making things for 70% of the audience, so that audience stopped watching.Private equity is definitely a problem, probably the main reason why American entertainment is in such a dire state, but let's not pretend that these same issues don't also exist in the American indie scene.This is the end result of America chasing after the minority 20% of the audience while ignoring the 80% that exists outside of that audience for the last 10-15 years.American entertainment is being double-teamed by the effects of out-of-touch soulless automaton MBA beancounters funding retarded nepobabies and fanfic writers to make garbage no one likes.
>>150705868Western creatives are all obsessed with the same shit. >muh lived experience>muh generational trauma>muh lesbiansThere's so few American cartoons made with a real audience in mind. They're all made for 30 something year old tranny bluesky people.
>>150706067Holy shit, this. It's not even the politics, strictly speaking. It's the fact that every fucking thing they touch HAS to turn into their personal therapy session.
>>150705875Netflix has a bunch of good stuff, sperg
>>150706085>namefagOpinion immediately invalidated.
>>150705611>Why don’t WesternersIf the French made a big budget 2D movie you wouldn't fucking watch it rofl
>>150706125Not OP but I support every 2D movie. I even watched the movie of teen titans go.
>>150705611what about good plot and characters?
>>150706125I would if they actually fucking released it in a timely manner instead of waiting a fucking year so they could put it in 300 theaters nationwide so I have to drive 2 fucking hours to Boston in order to actually fucking see the god damn movie in theaters you fucking cunts.
>>150705868Western creatives are annointed by studios who hate creatives. The talent pool exists. Its here. Those people arent allowed into the industry because the same corpo rot thats ruining every workplace is affecting animation too.
>>150706167who the fuck cares about stupid shit like that?
>>150706222Would've been based if he also slapped her across the face for good measure.
>>150705887what was the last popular comic?
>>150706209I believe the talent pool exists. I'm not sold on the fact that corpo rot is the ONLY thing ruining every workplace, simply because Japan also has a fuckload of corpo rot (just look at Nintendo and all the bullshit they pull) yet some fucking how it's the West leading with dangerhairs and trauma dump sessions.
>>150705611The ones at the top ie the rich suits won't let them. The likes of Tartakovsky and McCracken for example are industry veterans with proven successes and have to fight tooth and nail to make literally anything.
>>150706234you mean like this?
>>150706237Injustice
>>150706242To be fair Tartakovsky is the ONLY industry vet making anything like Primal.
>>150706246Yeah, based as fuck.
>>150705611Talent drain in the west. No US animation school is teaching kids how to do this. Gobelins in France and Asian animation schools are the only way to learn this.
>>150706167>what about good plot and characters?The overwhelming majority of people here functionally have zero sense of narrative; they have no actual opinions on characters, plotlines, themes, pacing, etc., they want a million billion trillion gorillion laser beams and explosions and fortnite dances
>>150705835I don't give a shit about animoo but otherwise I agree with you
>>150705676Hollywood unions. The unions are fucking up western entertainment media badly.
>>150706270that gif literally me
>>150705611Any tradition of animation in the West died when Disney lost it's touch so much it basically purchased Pixar to try make up for it.
Is learning how to animate even that difficult if you’re already consistently good with perspective and figure drawing?
>>150706331Nametrannies, especially the ones defending Shitflix don't deserve one. Now kill yourself.
>>150706347Let's put it this way: If it was easy, there'd still be shitloads of it on youtube after they fucked up the monetisation rules in favour of quantity and engagement over quality.
>>150706125Nami and Robin has to be the most unfair woman that was made by nips and that makes Peeg and Mary Jane Watson stop to admire her for a moment.And the one who makes Gomez, Mora and Frank Cho willing to draw a commission if oda ever meets them.By the way Kimetsu is literally the most normalfag FOTM and fujofag bait manga and animation in japan right now alongside JJK and Chainshit man.DanDanDan at least has none of that.
why is it japan can get a property like Demon Slayer bigger than Superman and it's not even 10 years old?
>>150705611Lack of talent.
>>150705996The indie scene and the independent scene are two different things with overlap. It boils down to no major studio being involved and marketing.An indie production is like an art-house film. Many are pretentious, even by design, but the majority will not see widespread distribution and will only be shown to a select few who may or may not be in the target audience. Even indie animation on youtube is like this since there are loads of sub-1,000 view videos there that COULD be good if anyone could ever find them.Independent animation is where we get back into the by-the-numbers territory since they more often have some form of funding, but are still creator driven. A creator driven project often is not going to be marketed to 70% of the population because the person or small team making it has a specific creative vision. Being able to achieve that vision is another story. Odds are there will be marketing which will influence the creative process and that can be good or bad. Like how manga artists have editors.Trying to make something that is for 70% of the population will lead to the mediocre tripe we're getting today. Bland, inoffensive garbage that's so boring no one even remembers it enough to complain about it.But back to marketing, take M*A*S*H for example. Its finale was watched by over 100 million people as it aired on TV, but if the show were made today it would've been canceled after one season. Instead, they changed the time slot and the ratings improved. Streaming does not have that option, they have to go all in on marketing to everyone all the time.Diminishing attention spans are also a factor.
>>150706443Because Kimetsu is normalfag fujobait in japan
>>150706405>still seethingLMAO
>>150706485Nothing is more normalfag than superman
>>150706470>Trying to make something that is for 70% of the population will lead to the mediocre tripe we're getting today. Bland, inoffensive garbage that's so boring no one even remembers it enough to complain about it.Bro, who do you think M*A*S*H was made for?There's a difference between something that a lot of people find appealing and something made by suits in ways that they THINK lots of people will find appealing.People don't watch the current stuff because it's written by people who don't understand actual human behavior, which is a huge turn off for anyone who's not a low-functioning autist or a misanthrope.You can't bitch and moan about a lack of mono-culture and then go on to complain about how anything that might appeal to the mono-culture is "boring."Either accept your shrinking, dying market that appeals to what you like or realize what you like is niche and make changes to what you make to appeal to more people.
>>150706485but it's globally popular. Their ability to make new properties and have them be popular so fast is interesting. Like I doubt something like Adventure Time would gross a Box office like this at it's peak.
>>150706511Normalfags hates superman because he isnt a depresive nihilist faggot desperate for attention like them.they all flock to fucking x-men or fujobaits like JJK
>>150705611>hand drawn not 3DAre you stupid? Have you never seen the show before?
>>150706566Because there is nothing interesting about Adventure Time: no cool villains, no action, jokes for little kids, etc.
>>150706578Meant for >>150706552
>>150705611It had no woke elements in it. No tranny shit or blackwashing. That was enough for me to buy a ticket.
>>150705676>There's no reason something like Into the Spider-Verse couldn't have been 2D.Gimmick/fad mindset won over the quality mindset, CG *seems* more technologically impressive, so it must be better by default, the shitty Spider-Verse 3D *seems* more technologically impressive, so it must be better by default, despite the fact any old 2D classic wipes the floor with all 3D animation by default Same reason why the Avatar movies keep making billions despite being the blandest shit imaginable
>>150706566People "hate" superman because writers do nothing but boring shit with him. Characters like Tanjiro or Jonathan Joestar are good boys like superman and people love them.
>>150706539M*A*S*H had a target demographic in mind and it overlapped enough in terms of appeal with people outside of the target.This is because there was a mono-culture at the time. There was enough shared culture with people in one demographic for it to be a good fit for a lot of other people outside of it too.Then and now is like the difference between making a meme and capitalizing on a meme.Hell, we don't even have sports as something that crosses the cultural divide in America anymore. I blame the ads and exuberant subscriptions needed to see the games you want to see.
>>150705611Weebs in the industry are surface level weebs with no skill or vision to actually make something like this happen. All they know is cheap references.
>>150706622Sports does. The NFL gains ratings every year. Football is as popular as ever and they're moving into other countries.
>>150706622>for a lot of other people outside of it too.Because there weren't many people outside of the target demographic. The west had a mono-culture because the west was majority one race with a similar cultural, religious, and educational background.It's the same reason why Japan has a mono-culture.That is no longer the case in the west, so that mono-culture no longer exists, because the only way to enforce that kind of mono-culture is to enforce full and complete assimilation of all groups into the host culture, which the west has not done in about 50 years.>Hell, we don't even have sports as something that crosses the cultural divide in America anymore.Disagree, football still tends to cross cultural lines, in part because of the primary audience.The NFL has been doing stupid bullshit in recent years, but even that hasn't been able to destroy the cultural relevance of the sport.
>>150706661>Football is as popular as ever and they're moving into other countries.>they're moving into other countries. What? Football is the most popular sport in the planet
>>150705611The problem is the left can't make art, they purged everyone who wasn't them and tanked every major industry from gaming, cartoons to TV shows.
>>150706715Recently football decided to host one of their big tournies in America next year.
>>150705848>When was the last time 70% of the American population were all watching the same shows? Probably in the 90s or 80s.That wasn't even true even back then
>>150705611It’s not hand drawn, stopped reading there Its quasi-2D CGI rendered on a computer by Korean slaves
>>150706750That already happened. They are just doing it again.
>>150705712This isn't true. You're a bootlicker trying to pass responsibility away from big corporate big wigs. Financial statements show it was because 2D movies weren't making returns and 3D are cheaper to/less time consuming to make. It's all about corporate greed, yet here you are bootlicking CEOs
>>150706739Can the right make art?
>>150706837Yes, but only the old right and the Asian right (not Indians).
>>150705611op that is the ugliest shit ive ever seen
>>150705611We tried but they squandered it. >not done by Marvel>not done by DC>not done by Disney>not done by a toy brand >not done by Universal>not base on a book or comic book from 20+ years before its air date>if you weren't any of the above, your product was destined to failLike it or hate it, Avatar was the most original thing we had at the time. Also>>Hand-drawnThread should have ended with the first post calling out retard OP.
>>150706837yea, saw birth of a nation in class and also milo and otis
>If you combine hand-drawn animation with CG effects and backgrounds, it's not hand-drawn.I don't understand this logic.
It's somewhat ironic people are talking about the west should be making monoculture works that appeal to 70% of the audience when western media is getting beaten by things like Demon Slayer that sure as hell don't appeal to 70% of any audience besides edgy teens. The monoculture cannot be regenerated and was a side effect of limited choices. Most people didn't watch MASH or the Brady Bunch because they wanted to, they did so because it was the only thing that was on so they sat in a stupor looking at the flashing colors on the screen while thinking about what went wrong in their life.
>only action cartoons that we regularly get are diet anime that looks like everyone involved with it only learned how to draw via "how to draw an anime character" Youtube tutorials>Adventure Time and Steven Universe's staff keep spreading through the industry and making "calarts" slop that all do the same song and dance of switching between being an 11 minute cutesy comedy to a dramedy with an overarching plot that none of the writers for these can seem do right because all they care about are anime references and romance drama>shitty reboots and continuations like that Proud Family thing and Clone High>Adult animation industry has stagnated and everything is either a Simpsons clone, a Rick and Morty Clone, or one of Adult Swims zany fever dream cartoons>only good action cartoons are either from Genndy, that lego monkey show or a 5 minute gag via Teen Titans Go>diamonds in the rough are dying unnoticed on streaming sites and no one cares until after it's endedThe industry is in the crapper. Let it burn.
>>150706911>that sure as hell don't appeal to 70% of any audience besides edgy teens.Anon, Demon Slayer is super popular in Japan, and got so big precisely because it had appeal among a ton of people in Japan across every generation.But yes, the monoculture is dead, in part because there are more options, and in part because the entire western world killed their own deliberate monocultures.
>>150706911>things like Demon Slayer that sure as hell don't appeal to 70% of any audienceIt does
>>150705611You know, Demon Slayer's success SHOULD tell both Hollywood and the American animation industry that consumers are dying for good animated action, whether it be a film or a TV series.Instead, they'll either convince themselves we need more "anime" so we get shit like that Suicide Isekai, or that we need more diet anime so we get something even worse than that, like invincible fight girl and that Superman show with the Mexican Lois Lane. Or, they convince themselves that this is only because it's demon slayer, so we get something even worse than the former two combined - a live action demon slayer series, which will fail because everyone involved will have no love for the series, and they'll probably try to engagement bait by making someone black and then we have to spend the next 2 years enduring all the bitching from animefags too daft to realize they're being baited for a reaction
>>150706919>only good action cartoons are either from Genndy, that lego monkey show or a 5 minute gag via Teen Titans GoHow did we end up like this?
Can't get a foot in the door in animation because shareholders don't want studios making something for such a narrow demographic range. Shonen is too limiting to spend money on.
>>150706986The animation industry saw action cartoons as toy commercials (gen rex, ben 10, sym bionic titan, etc) and when kids stopped playing with action figures they were phased out. Now action cartoons only exists in the remnants of story driven cartoons, but most of the story driven cartoons out right now are made by the AT and SU crowd, so not only are they bad unless there's a guest animator, but they're ugly to boot, and a lot of them try to ape anime without the talent or work ethic to pull it off.
>>150706911>>150706938I love how you guys are saying this like the American monoculture was ever naturally maintained to begin with despite the fact it started falling apart when the mafia started losing its control over the entertainment industry.
>>150707001>such a narrow demographic rangeBut millennials, zoomers and genA love animation
>>150706425>fotm Its done well in worldwide theaters twice now, 5 years apart, based on a manga from a decade ago. Its clearly got a steady fanbase for reasons other than hype.
>>150706946>>150706938Salarymen, retirees and old women do not read Demon Slayer. It's for edgy teens and girls who ship the male characters.
>>150707073Boomers and GenX don't matter.
>>150707034Kids didnt stop playing with toys. A billion toys littering my home will tell you otherwise. That's a lie started by out of touch aging coke heads whose poor ideas were killing the industry. And bean cou ters who saw virtual bull shut as easy money and A to B transference if want to buy and them only needing to pay ip lawyers.So both memed this lie into reality and left the toy industry to die. Even Disney knows the power of toy and merch sales.In conclusion Its a combination of them not being able to sell it, and them wanting to sell infinite virtual versions of it for free.
>>150707073>retirees and old women do not read Demon Slayer.Blatantly, factually false, there were old women busting down the doors at shops in Japan during Demon Slayer's peak in 2020, and various old, established monks were recommending that people read it because they felt it took place during an interesting time period.
>>150705676>What led to the death of 2D animation in the west?Garbage scripts like Sinbad
>>150705611best we can do is yet another marvel movie stuffed full of reddit humor or animated pooner garbage about ugly, annoying characters being losers.
>>150705875>so I'm starting to think streaming service originals is just a bad idea as a whole.Netflix is the modern day equivalent of direct to dvd shows and movies that are too shit to be aired on tv and movies. The kind of shit you see on the shelves at your local dollar store. Netflix doesn't filter like most networks and movies so they'll take any rejected idea.
>>150706578Stfu tranny
>>150707128It's not actually a significant number
>>150706076It's grim. And they're encouraged to be like this in college. Zero interest in being creative
The people /co/ calls "normalfags" are the most important target demographic for the success of comics and cartoons.You were definitely one of those when you were into Batman TAS or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1987.
>>150706661No other country gives a shot about American football
>>150707195Does it bother you that this particular tranime is one of the most profitable animated films ever made?
>>150706425>normalfag FOTM and fujofag bait mangaIt's not FOTM because it has maintained success for several years now.>fujobaitSo is JJK. I guess that's the secret to making shonen globally successful.
>>150705676Too much of the NA industry was consolidated under Disney, and when their 2D department was closed down it destroyed the career prospects for 2D animators as a whole. Without Disney the money wasn't there.
>>150705676The ATLA movie coming out next year is going to be 2D and a theatrical release
>>150707577Looks like faux2D CG slop to me
>>150707577And it's going to flop. The avatar universe isn't good enough to be successful.
>>150707696Stfu
>>150706425>FOTMThis series has been exploding in popularity for the last 6 years. Either you don't know what that term means or you're in denial.
>>150705611>handdrawn, no 3D>>>demon slayerRetard hasn't even seen a clip of the show, but will still suck its dick to ragebait
>>150707778Wrong
>>150707850DM is hand drawn tho
>>150705875The last great 2D animated movie was Klaus on Netflix. It showed a very promising potential future for 2D animation but apparently the studios were not impressed because we haven't had another movie like that since. It's like, they made this one movie to prove that 2D animation can be just as visually arresting as 3D, and the studios went "oh neat, we're still not interested though."
>>150707492Disney? Bro Disney's PR is shit right now. It will only take a few videos and a social medus campaign to put a trully for all ages and audiences show out there for the masses to enjoy.
>>150705611It's crazy given how bad this movie is. I know it's the norm for blockbusters to be as retarded as possible, but this movie is a new low.It may be the most boring shonen anime I've seen.
>>150707992Anon stop, you're not fooling anybody.
>>150707915Klaus was a wasted of resources. Just make something cool for fucks sake
>>150705676The real answer was Disney and Dreamworks turning to 3D, regrettable most of the 2D masters (people actually talented in 2D) were already old in the early 2000 and the transition from 2D to 3D, coincided with a generational change in the animation industry, since the biggest source of jobs at that moment was Disney-Pixar and Dreamworks and they wanted mostly 3D animators the demand of 2D specialist decreased so this caused that right now people that actually know how to animate in 2D are in Japan and China, but even there is computer animation, hand-drawn is rare there because almost all the people that knew how to do it properly are old or died.
>>150707876You ass has never watched a single clip from the show nor the movie despite this being a thread about praising everyone having gone to see it.
>>150705676Princess and the Frog and Treasure Planet crashing.
>>150708049Retard
Unironically in Japan there is still people that known how to do 2D animation since is more easy to sustain the demand of anime in 2D than 3D and also Manga translates better to 2D so the 3D didn't get a boom, over here in the West most of the people that know about 2D animation even if is do it by computer are too old, retired or died or were displaced to Indie or Author cinema by 3D animators because here 3D was a boom
>>150708018What do you mean?
>>150708103Retard kissass
>>1507056763D movies being a huge economics success and 2D being massive box failures just, then almost 30-40 years of 3D dominating the industry causing a massive loss of skills, talent and support for the 2D animation. To add salt to the wound people good at 2D but I mean real good at 2D (hand-drawn a minimal use of computers) are few, is literally becoming a lost art even in Japan were is a more predominant 2D market thanks to anime
>>150708103But he's right, KnY is full of plenty of CG, especially for backgrounds during action scenes.Which I find odd, since ufotable also animates all the modern fate/stay stuff, which have tons of 2D animation, including background animation, so it's definitely not an issue of a lack of ability, they just for some reason think those ugly 3D backgrounds look good.
>>150707577I don’t trust western “anime” to look good in motion.
>>150708217Having CG backgrounds doesn't mean kny isn't hand drawn.
>>150708217And I just realized that that webm was animated by Cloverworks, nevermind, I'm retarded.But yea, KnY is full of CG backgrounds.>>150708275Sure, I'd say probably ~80% of the show/movies is hand-drawn, but a lot of the action scenes absolutely have CG elements.
>>150708217>especially for backgroundsunironically doing the background is one the most tedius and time-consuming part of animation and most people who watches a comercial made movie don't even notice the backgrounds that's why they lack in that, I agree no, I understand why they do it yes, consequences of a art turned industry like happened with cinema
>>150705953I mean, that model works. Mangas get canned all time but having a decent install base works. You would think there would be more invincibles(comics to animation) since the model does work.
>>150708343>Censored panty shotCringe
>>150708343The movie is hand-drawn, no one said anything about the show
>>150708448The show is hand drawn too
>>150705611whats that? a new japanese animated show that became popular in the west? i wonder what marvelous things about art and culture it will share with us>sex with sisterof course, sex with sister the most well known japanese practice seconded only by tentacle rape
>>150706594>despite the fact any old 2D classic wipes the floor with all 3D animation by defaultNigga plenty of them look boring and flat
>>150708439It's more easy animate manga than comics, since manga drawns are mostly less complex ergo more easy to animate in fact is a common knowlegde that editors had told to mangakas who drawn with too much detail to make their drawns more simplistic when they have greenlighted anime.
>>150708510Pic DEFINITELY unrelated
>>150708506Stfu amerilard
>>150708439Live Action Comic adaptations won over Animated Adaptations (thanks Disney and the MCU for that)
>>150708539>Live Action Comic adaptations won over Animated Adaptations (thanks Disney and the MCU for that)Invincible is actually the first adaptation, before it, they were mostly loosely based on the works.
>>150708217>they just for some reason think those ugly 3D backgrounds look good.NIGGA ONLY THEIR OPINIONS MATTER YOU ONLY CONSUME
>>150705874Theres difference in money valuency & inflation rate,in Japan animators worked for less.
>Opening Weekend total still represent over half it's runFUCK OFF WEEB
>>150708564I mean as a general market, most studios, has the pretense that a comic Live-Action adaptation has more chances of succes than a animated adaptation. That's why is so uncommon comic to animation, right now. Maybe changes if Mr. Miracle or Blue Beetle series has some success
>>150708448>>150708275What definition of "hand-drawn" are you working on that lets your dumbass wear blinders at the CG backgrounds and computer 3D effects that never blend well with the 2D and just spend every panel begging that you're only looking at the character in the middle fighting not the every fucking thing else that looks like dogshit.
>>150707696Similar to Demon Slayer then
>>150708667You don't deserve anything good in your life.
>>150705611>Hand-drawn, not 3DModern anime is basically all 3D assets now with the exception of the central characters in a given scene.
>>150705611>>Hand-drawn, not 3DWut, this is Ufotable, who are THE 3D anime guys.90% of KnY's action sequences are composited over 3D.
>>150708870I don't deserve to be told that a bunch of people animating with a computer and using obvious 3D assets as "hand drawn"It's like those retards advertising The Barbie Movie as without cgi.
>>150709024I guess the road to El Dorado, simbad, The iron giant, etc. aren't hand drawn
>>150709137You forgot Tarzan.
>>150706686>The west had a mono-culture because the west was majority one race with a similar cultural, religious, and educational background.>the land of immigrants from all over the world was a mono culture
>>150708440KnY manga has zero panty shots, it's canon.
>this thread again
>>150707181Old japs love it due to emphasis on traditional values, family and honor. Kids love it due to the cool fights and characters. Middle age Otaku love it due to fujobait and cute girls. It appeals to every generation and gender in Japan which is why it's so massive there.
>>150709155Now post some making-clips of the anime you're trying to fluff.
>>150709155god I just know this wouldn't be a pain in the ass to do by hand, and probably would've looked the same quality wise, or worse. Good shortcuts are good, purists don't care about the industry.
>>150706883Anything less than 50 years old?
>>150705611MOGGED by Ne Zha 2.
>>150705676Western studios never adapt books or comics. They always are original IPs.Western animation is always talking animals.Western animation is always CGI characters with huge heads and small bodies
>>150708612Is that supposed to cancel out that Infinity Castle made $700 million?
>>150705611because CEOs and major companies refuse to make gritty stuffDisney owns marvel now. do you think for a second that they would make an ultraviolent Age of Apocalypse series that starts with an intro depicting Apocylypse and his horsemen mercilessly slaughtering the Avengers to metal music?the entertainment industry in the west is controlled by liberal pansies who pander to libs but never do anything politically leftist or masculinecaptcha: GAY4W
>>150705611Because the comics industry is run by Gen-Xers who refuse to accept it's not their childhood anymore.
>>150705611You are either ignoring or forgetting that the majority of anime are adaptions of light novels and manga.In contrast the majority of western animation are original works.Demon Slayer got good animation, good fights, actual budget, and actual marketing because it's an adaption of a very popular manga that would clearly make its money back through merchandise.Also anime are just advertisements.If the US hadn't cracked down on toy companies we would probably be getting stuff like manga adaptions but for toys.
>>150707159>Netflix is the modern day equivalent of direct to dvd shows and movies that are too shit to be aired on tv and moviesBig difference is that those made money while streaming doesn't. You can't make a profit off of streaming with a subscription model. It has to be PPV.
>>150709823>Chink twink movie that bombed outside of China.
>>150710383Ne Zha 2 made $25M which is actually very impressive moreso than Demon Slayer because Ne Zha 2 doesn't have a built in fanbase in the US or franchise visibility
>>150705611>Hand-drawn, not 3DAll the people who knew how to do hand drawn pen on paper 90s style animation are dead or dying. And the youth in the USA and Europe just aren't interested. Not in large enough numbers at least.
>>150707159Streaming services are like tv networks.They license the shows for a period of time.In lieu of ads the streaming services make money via subscriptions.So their stuff is more like made for tv movies.>>150710241>You can't make a profit off of streaming with a subscription model.Yes you can, it's why companies pivoted to it and why tv channels are dying.
>>150710510You can't make nearly as much as with network tv, which they only found out after they'd already moved enmasse away from it. It worked with Netflix because it had literally everything but once it broke up into a dozen streaming channels because all the licensors to Netflix wanted a piece of the greater money suddenly it wasn't as profitable because not everyone wants or can afford a sub for everything.
>>150706347not difficult but it takes a lot of time and patience
>>150710406>Ne Zha 2 doesn't have a built in fanbase in the US or franchise visibilityIt is literally a sequel to a 6 year old movie.I'm sure it's had time to develop a following.
>>150705611I saw it and had a blast but casuals were bitching about the flashback scenes in the audience, which I found ironic because of the online glaze for the movie Thats why the box office numbers is all fluff to me Normalfags just buy what's hype, and this is hyped up by people and the media lolGrifters dont even care for it, theyre just happy they have a movie to use against capeshit lol
>>150708126It's clear you didn't see this movie and are just giving vague insults.
>>150706347You tell me.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-Mf9XVnSWw
>>150707577>Midpoint between the original series and the "Aang turns into literally DiMartino" timeframeAt least they used their brains for once
>>150710577First movie wasn't released in the US
>>150705712wtf are drugs are you onDisney pushed CGI because they had the budget to ride the wave on a CGI monopoly. stuff like Titan A.E., Sinbad, Road to El Dorado and Atlantis were more or less the last 2D animations and Disney probably disapproved of Atlantis for shitty reasons other than lack of ticket sales>>150706278explain how. CGI slop being forced is an executive decision, not the decision of unions
>>150710655Yes it was.
>>150706795> Financial statements show it was because 2D movies weren't making returns ok, then how it is the fault of big corporate big wigs that the audience isnt eating that shit?
>>150710678>explain how. CGI slop being forced is an executive decision, not the decision of unionsUnions and their retarded grifting policies price Hollywood out from producing 2D animation without outsourcing it to Asia. Ironically the Animation union killed the American animation industry. Only completely ignorant morons and bleeding heart communists still support unions in 2025.
>>150705676Toy Story and Shrek. 3D was all the rage and computer became standard and they left 2D behind, hard enough that now professionals can't even draw on paper. Hell, we can't even movie sets anymore, everything has to be green screen..
I unironically feel like 99% of talented western 2D artists are just furries making the most bizarrely high-quality porn animations you’ve ever seen
>>150709497It's an animated movie making more than capeshit. Kind of a big deal.
>>150711141Cartoon Network should hire this guy
>>150711215Not that good
>>150711240Better than anyone working on CN right now
>>150707411And Americans still don't give a fuck about soccer, what's your point
>>150711240Show us a better porn animation
>>150711273>>150711584tired of this board circlejerking the same few artists
>>150711602/co/ cares more about porn than non-porn because it's full of third-world middle schoolers.
>>150710195>the majority of western animation are original works.why is this?
>>150711872Yeah, it's full of americans
>>150705611Because Superman is shit and anyone that likes superman is a fucking moron
>>150711882Cheaper
>>150711946Stfu Sneederjeet
>>150711630Why did you post it?
>>150708267Korra Book 1 unironically had pretty great animation even by anime standards.
>>150706076>>150707383A big part of it is the shunning of letting people make things for fear of stepping on someone’s lived experience.See for most of western history the people in the drivers seat were mainly nerdy white dudes who took whatever they thought was neat from whatever they read and changed it to fit their vision which created all the cool shit we used to have..However this ended up with a lot of situations where the groups that those dudes grabbed ideas from getting mad, and once we as a culture started caring about those things the overcorrection killed the cultural acceptance to create things outside of oneself at the center and here we are.
>>150711882The manga industry is like the comic industry but on crack, they pump out a shit ton of content weekly.The manga industry commissions/contracts animation studios to make anime adaptions.These anime adaptions are basically PLCs(Program-Length Commercials) for the manga.So basically the entire anime industry is funded by the manga industry.The western animation industry used to have a pipeline like that with the toy industry.The toy industry used to commission and fund shows based off their toys.The 80's were filled with them.However in 1990 the Children's Television Act was passed which limited commercial time to 10-12 minutes per hour depending on the day of the week.This killed PLCs in the US and thus the rest of the western world.It's why the cards in Yu-Gi-Oh! didn't look like the physical cards.These rules are still in effect today.This has caused networks to focus on original content that they must fund themselves.
>>150705611>Good animation Demon SlayerYou can't be serious
>>150711872>/co/ cares more about porn than non-pornNot what I was complaining about
>>150712584But Power Rangers was in the 90s and that showed off the toys prominently didn't it?
>>150705611Because Westerners would prefer you make a movie about a director's life experiences as a gay person, anon.An animated action/superhero movie with lavishly detailed plot involving a very stylized superhero with a very unique design? No no no, we can't have that.Westerns will see this and go-"Where's my black representation? Where are the latinx representation? Why is nobody gay or lesbo or trans? Where is the Donald Trump allegories and satire? We need to make fun of the President , y'know, it hasn't been done before. Where is the Instagram/TikToker cameo who also sings the main theme's soundtrack? Why are they not having a dancing sing-along at the end credits? Where is the comedian wise-cracking sidekick? Where are the SNL comedy team making it meta - gotta have a meta joke in there somewhere, and let's make fun of the NERDS/GEEKS who're into this kiddy shit. We need to include a Comic Book Nerd anon, because fat people with neckbeards are funny."That's why Westerners don't do this stuff. It doesn't make fun of Trump and it doesn't wave a rainbow flag. It's not a commentary on some stupid other country. It doesn't have beanmouth. It needs to be preachy or make allusions to God or have a spicy meatball hot take about the Bible being dumb, anon.That's why we can't have good shit like this.
>>150712828Power Rangers was a show that used licensed footage from the Japanese series Super Sentai.It wasn't made to specifically sell pre-existing toys.
>>150707852Kek, avatards still think bryke can make something good and profitable after korra?
>>150713086>Where's my black representation? Where are the latinx representation? Why is nobody gay or lesbo or trans? Where is the Donald Trump allegories and satire? We need to make fun of the President , y'know, it hasn't been done before. Where is the Instagram/TikToker cameo who also sings the main theme's soundtrack? Why are they not having a dancing sing-along at the end credits? Where is the comedian wise-cracking sidekick? Where are the SNL comedy team making it meta - gotta have a meta joke in there somewhere, and let's make fun of the NERDS/GEEKS who're into this kiddy shit. We need to include a Comic Book Nerd anon, because fat people with neckbeards are funny."College completely destroys them, and they only hire people with college degrees. Non indoctrinated non brainwashed creatives are gatekeeped out of working in the creative industries.
>>150705611We could talk about the real reason but a certain discord group comprised of a groomer indoctorinating little trans-girls to raid this board wouldn't like it.
>>150712648But that is good
>>150712648sad! we need to start rounding up more koreans to make them do sweatshop animations again
>>150712648>>150713226This is fucking awesome. Tengen sucked in the manga, the anime elevated him so hard.
>>150705676One word, two syllables: Pixar.The Japanese animation industry never had their own Toy Story moment, so 3D animation never became “in vogue,” as least within the psyches of domestic studios and producers. 2D is and remains Japan’s bread and butter simply because… well, it just works for the consumers they’re targeting. There’s just no incentive for 3D animation; if 2D animation ain’t broke, why change anything?
>>150706167Yeah I'm still waiting on Western animation to have this.
>>150707073>Salarymen, retirees and old women do not read Demon Slayer. But they read it. Show me women buying DC or Marvel comics like this
>>150705848>When was the last time 70% of the American population were all watching the same shows?2-3 years ago with breaking bad and better call saul.
>>150713390>Better Call Saul>Breaking Bad>2-3 years agoNot only is that wrong, but the actual last time 70% of America watched a single show was probably GoT, and it diarrhead the bed right at the end.Just because some zoomers on Twitter started posting memes from a show that aired when they were fucking 10 doesn't mean they represent a monoculture.
>>150705611Warner has had DC comics for over 50 years and Disney has had Marvel for about 15 years and both have never done anything as impactful as the Japanese with anime. Warner and DC have an infinite source with comics, but they have never had CEOs who liked comics. There has never been an animation with the quality of Demon Slayer from DC and Warner and there will never be with beta like James Gunn, Zaslav Kevin Feige and Bob Iger. These are men who grew up not reading comic books they hate comics, hate cheesecake. Thanks Lord for the based japanese mangakas
>>150705848studios in japan are directly funded by private equity who buy up a large percentile of an "anime". they basically treat anime shows as an investment over there where a single anime is bought up by several companies letting them disperse risk
>>150713282I know it's a bait thread butJapan hasn't had its' "Toy Story" moment because they're too niggardly with budgeting and refuse to adopt more advanced technologySouth Korea used to be leagues behind Japan but now it's comparable with them, and somehow their CGI looks on par with America'sThis is a TV show from ten years ago and it still mops the floor visually with anything comparable Japanese seriesI don't like CGI taking over but it is a pretty good benchmark for how advanced an industry is
>>150713455>These are men who grew up not reading comic books they hate comicsNot Gunn
>>150713482I can see they like Toriyama
>>150713482>Japan hasn't had its' "Toy Story" moment because they're too niggardly with budgeting and refuse to adopt more advanced technologyUwotm8?Japs have been pumping out CGI movies for big name properties for like 20 years now, people there just prefer 2D. This is especially true for adaptations, where the 2D anime art can actually match the look of the original manga/LN.Frankly, I imagine that that's the main reason they stick to these styles, which would explain why so many of Japan's CGI movies are based on properties that were already CG to begin with, like video games.
>>150713573And yes, this action scene is retarded, as is the entirety of RE Vendetta.
>>150713086>Where is the comedian wise-cracking sidekick? Where are the SNL comedy team making it meta - gotta have a meta joke in there somewhereI'm fine with some black, Latino and Asian representation. I can tolerate some gay shit. But what I can't tolerate is the comedy in western movies and shows. For example, last week I watched Marvel Zombies. 99% of the world is dead and the powerful superheroes became zombies yet the characters were having fun making jokes and quipping non-stop. Why can't they write serious moments and plot?
>>150705676Hand drawn doesn't scale. Even games and most anime use 3D models or go extremely cheap on the transitions.
>>150705652Reminder that part of the western scene mass abandoning 2D animation can be attributed to Jeffery Ketzenberg who celebrated that 2D is dead and CG is the future
>>150713432better call saul's finale was in 2022
>>150712470I've had two separate classes where all I do is read books about sad black girls. All about how bad it is to be a minority and how evil white people are and yada yada yada. Granted, I'm a little older and I'm going back to college. So, I'm not really moved by all the white guilt nonsense. Everyone thinks they're the next Jordan Peele because someone called them a slur once.
>>150706443Because superman has been around for close to a century and you can only do so much with a property before new is more attractive.
>>150713432I think GoT was actually more like 16% to 30%.
>>150709397White culture had the largest influence of culture at the time of MASH. Largest minority, blacks, wasn't even 10% of the country. Existence of a minority doesn't negate the dominance as even Japan has various minority groups living as citizens in it.Whites were by far the largest majority, which combined with limited communications, met immigrants mostly assembled into small ghettos or adopted the white culture within 1-2 generations.
TL;DR various factors over the quarter century have fucked over U.S. animation. Too many to discuss here, but I know that 9/11 crippled action cartoons
>>150713852In both UK and America, if you were to use movies and TV as a metric for what minorities were the most prevalent, you'd think it was like 60% blacks (Or Pakis in England) versus 40% whites.
>>150706552In fairness the character designs for adventure time (not animation, not commenting about that) is so hilarious below the movie we're talking about here.
>>150705611I want an american sentai cartoon using compact powered armor that can be summoned from "null-space", and no goddamn giant monsters or zords. Aliens are fine for the bad guys. And tons of fighting.
>>150714031The designs are fine. The problem is the writing.
>>150714070It'd be cool if they took more from sentai instead of always defaulting to the giant fucking monsters. The coolest fights were with the person-scaled enemies that actually had personalities.
>>150714070>and no goddamn giant monsters or zordsShit taste
>>150714076>The problem is the writingSometimes
>>150713482>>150713573Gantz CGI movie looks pretty good and matches the style of the manga. And yet it ended up being a flop. The reality is that even if japanese love CGI movies their pipeline is made up to cater to 2D animation. Maybe in 15 years when Al capable animators finally died and there isn't someone to train the next generation they finally would switch to 3D.
>>150714205>The reality is that even if japanese love CGI moviesAnd the reality is, they don't.It's just that simple, most of their animated content is still 2D because they prefer 2D.They even tried making Lupin the Third a 3DCG movie and it also flopped.
>>150714196More like always
>>150714226Pixar movies always perform very good and the first movie of Spider-Man Into the Spiderverse mind break a lot of japanese animators. But again, they can't put anything on that quality because they don't have the pipeline to create movies like that.
>>150714183Did the water guy die?
>>150714532>Pixar movies always perform very goodUhh...
>>150714532>Luka>Soul>Lightyear >Turning Red>Elio
Isn't Japan moving towards using 3d that looks like 2d?
>>150705676"muh graphiks" mouth breather fifa playing normies who think counting the follicles on ronaldos ballsack is how you have fun and think anything hand drawn is for children, when 2D hand drawn is where the sovl is
>>150714644Some of them are trying, but it's mostly the same 2 or 3 studios (namely Orange and Polygon Pictures) with the occasional blended effort from someone like ufotable or WIT or ENGI.Everyone else either avoids 3D outright or only uses it for things like vehicles (or when the budget runs out).
>>150714382Nope
>>150705652>The French and the Japanese are like the only ones with real variety in their animation output.>The FrenchSo by west you mean America
>>150712470I honestly hate pretentious, performative whites who put on this song and dance then pretend it actually matters than any of the nogs, spics or trannies whose "life experiences" are supposedly being represented in a sad cartoon about crying for 8 episodes.
>>150706347The actual drawing part (for the most part) in animation isn't actually that difficult, especially if you're doing simple designs like most cartoons. The hard part is drawing those designs a 1,000 times. It eats up a lot of time
>>150714875Nta but nobody else in the west are making animations of note so you may as well divide the whole damn hemisphere into "the West (America)" and "the French"
>>150714875Does anyone else even make anything these days outside of America, France, the UK, and maybe Spain?
>>150705611>Why don’t Westerners create something similar?Try getting one of these CalArts fucks to make a cartoon working 15 hours a day for $500/month.
>>150705611>>Good animation>>Actual budgetYou're gonna need to give some detail on these cuz the bargain bin animation was the reason I stopped watching DS.
>>150714959American art students are some of the most entitled people on the planet, and those who attended California Institute of the Arts are the worst. They wouldn't lift a pen for less than $7,500/month and even then it would probably 4 hours of actual work per day.Meanwhile the Koreans and Japs hone their talents by grinding 24/7.
>>150714982The budget for this movie was $20M, which considering its performance is quite impressive. But for anime $20M is a whole season worth of episodes.
>>150705611Is demon slayer actually that good? I enjoyed JJK
>>150714959>>150715009Thread could've ended here when it was first brought up. You can't lay all the blame at corpos and the economy because they're shit in their own special ways over in Japan too. It's the people involved being fucking crybaby retards with their heads shoved up their asses in an UNENTERTAINING way. Mangaka can be unhinged, out of touch and overly obsessed with their personal experiences too, but you end up with shit like JoJo, Baki and Ippo as a result. Stories about OVERCOMING setbacks and opposition instead of GLORIFYING victimhood.
>>150715029It's a bit more emotional (so it's not everyone's cup of tea), but the fight scenes are well animated. Or at least that's how the anime was. I haven't seen the movie.JJK and Solo Leveling are more aloof and aura-oriented.
>>150715067>more aloof and aura-oriented.so like, rule of cool?
>>150713226>They just slide over the ground without moving their feet, flailing their arms around with a serious expression on their facesThis is not good action. It might be decently animated bad action, but it is not good action.
>>150715043It's kind of funny because low-wage workers (like animators) get a lot of help, like cheap government apartments and subsidized tickets for public transport. At the same time, being an animator is a dream job (it has a bit of social status to it) despite its low wage. Which is why they work so hard.
>>150715026$80k to $90k per episode according to gemini. Jesus that's fucking grim.
>>150715081DS has a lot of cool moments too, but it also has a lot of scenes meant to pull on your heart strings.
>>150715029I'm just going to try to repeat the review I gave on /tv/ by memory: It is a badly paced story with mostly shallow characters HARD carried by fantastic music, animation and decent voice acting. How much you like it will depend on your tolerance for "woe is me" flashbacks because you're getting one for LITERALLY every major demon encounter. Character dynamics are good in the sense that they bounce off each other well in casual dialogue, and bad in the sense that their arcs feel more like quest marker objectives in a videogame than having any kind of interesting conflict. I personally find Tanjiro to be a refreshingly masculine character with ironclad discipline and morals who is in fact rewarded by the society he defends, relative to literally every western animated character portrayed in the last 5 years. Large swathes of his supporting cast just don't get the chance to shine as much as him. The villains (and thus, the series as a whole) kind of peak at Daki and Gyutaro for hitting just the right mixture of sad backstory and unhinged fighting; I felt the movie turned into The Akaza Show with how much of it was basically a headless corpse having flashbacks while Tanjiro and the Sasuke copy got confused. Demon Slayer is, overall, a textbook 3/5. You'll have a good time because Ufotable are pretty much the best animators, period, around right now but it probably won't have a longstanding impact on you unless you're a horny fujo.All that said, I would still confidently recommend it over JJK which has fight scenes and aura farming goin for it, and absolutely nothing fucking else. Not even fanservice considering how Gaygay fucks up Maki, benches Nobara and kills off Yuki.
>>150715123I mean you're not wrong, but considering how nightmarish the working pace expectations are and how top-down creative control is from what I've heard, it almost sounds like they NEED that shit just to make deadlines.
>>150714076They've got noodle limbs and far too abstract faces.
>>150715207So, they are good designs anyway
>>150715199The working conditions may be terrible, but animators can still walk away and look for other jobs. They're not held at gunpoint. But an average of 15 hours a week should tell you that it's wake up, get down to work, work, get home, sleep, repeat.
>>150715239The more I see how work-life balance evolves in places like Japan, the more I envy Spain and France where apparently it's standard practice to just go home in the afternoon or take long naps after lunch.
>>150705611Normies don't like fights, most they will touch is Popeye, and normies love Popeye.Normies want Tex Avery, simple as that, and that $70 million from that new Demon Slayer movie is mostly from Japan alone, the rest is from other Asian countries and Latin America.>>150705652Whats going on in France is 20 times worse then whats going on in Canada and unless it's a Ghibli knock off or a yearly TV adaption (mainly Doraemon) anime films tend to be avoided by normies.>>150705835$70 million, the first Demon Slayer movie made a billion in Japan alone.But with Sanae Takaichi now in control stuff like Demon Slayer is going to start to get killed off, and thats a good thing.>>150705933Other way around, Anime production is much harder because you're not allowed to make original IPs.>>150706067Meanwhile, in Japan...Japanese creatives are all obsessed with the same shit.>Blowing Chinese, Korean and/or Saudi investors and having the Americas pay off those Chinese, Korean and/or Saudi investors while leaving Japan to it's own devices.>Not allowed to make it for kids and families because if that is the case it has to be done by Illumination, Sony Pictures or Dreamworks.>My badly shot and unnecessary fights that are poorly timed, posed and settled.>My next to no frame rate.>My fan service.>My glorified advertisement.>My fujos and/or wine aunts and the production is made exclusively for them because fuck men.Things are 20 times worse in Japan then they are in the States, at least in the States you are allow to make the product you want to make.>>150706238Nintendo of America is the one with the corpo rot not Nintendo Co.,Ltd, it got so bad that they had to fire Doug Bowser for it.
>>150714818>ENGISomewhat unrelated, but that's probably the only example I can think of of a studio that's hard-carried by a single animator.Almost everything they make looks mediocre to shit, except for the parts animated by that one specific animator.And you just know he's not getting paid nearly enough to work his ass off on their slop.
>>150715406>Things are 20 times worse in Japan then they are in the States, at least in the States you are allow to make the product you want to make.I would argue that the kind of product western creatives want to make is the real problem at this point.
>Jeremy is back at it again with retarded doraemon copeMHA failed
>>150706267It's 20 times worse in those countries then it is in the States.>>150706270Not true, they want narrative, case in point Michael Maltese, Warren Foster and Tedd Pierce.>>150706443No idea, Yo-Kai Watch went through the same song and dance before Demon Slayer took it's spot light so it wasn't the first time a Japanese IP became bigger then Superman, also Pokémon, Mario and Detective Conan are all bigger then Superman as well.>>150706753The Simpsons, Tiny Toon Adventures, Ren and Stimpy, Darkwing Duck, Goof Troop, Bonkers, Animaniacs, Freakazoid and Pinky and The Brain will all like to have a word with you.>>150706911Japan =/= US, also we went through this song and dance before with Yo-Kai Watch.
>>150715502Again like I said, at this point I don't even think whose overall industry is worse matters nearly as much as western creatives just being pathetic pissbabies who don't WANT to make anything that isn't trauma dumping.>(outdated shows that could NEVER be made in the current environment) would like to (exist as merchandise and nothing else)Which really proves my point given that all this shit comes from a drastically different set of creatives than the ones currently working in an industry, made DECADES ago. DECADES. /co/ can live in the past and pretends comics just stopped at Final Crisis if it wants, the rest of us are looking at animation in the year 2025.
>>150715520Dont waste your time with this cretin, it's the same chimp screeching from this thread a while back>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/150396144/#150399494They eternally obsessed with using long dead IP as some sort of defense against Demons slayers success in the west.
>>150706347The real issue with animation is that it's harder to edit, you can't judt go "Let's reshoot this take" or "Let's try a different direction, this isn't working" without delaying the project for months. And yet, producers keep asking for it Anime has the right idea, pick a manga already proven to be a success and follow it as the base script
>>150706938At $68 million out of $70 million it's dying out, the last Demon Slayer film made $250 million while the first one made a billion.It's Yo-Kai Watch all over again.>>150707073At a billion at it's peak they did read and watch Demon Slayer, it just fell out of style is the thing.>>150707915>>150708020That movie sucked ass and made Space Jam: A New Legacy look like Citizen Cain it was that bad.What the fuck is wrong with you?!?>>150708506No, thats mostly Japanese numbers.>>150709474But had nude hot spring scenes with it's female characters.No nudity is shown by the way.
>>150705611Lel
>>150705611Helluva Boss's first season has the greatest quality of any animated series in the last decade.I want you to let that sink in.>Sublo & Tangy MustardI LIKE Sublo more... but the animation is like comparing Sleeping Beauty to 101 Dalmations
>>150709517100% fake as Demon Slayer is FAR TO VIOLENT for kids.>>150709814Tiny Toon Adventures: How I Spent My Vacation and Wakko's Wish.>>150710048$70 million, and it already finished it's run.>>150710406>Ne Zha 2 made $25 millionIn other Asian markets, in the west it only did 2 million.>>150712198No, it didn't, it made 1972's Bye Bye Blackboard look like 1943's Red Hot Riding Hood it was that bad.>>150712828Everyone ignored it and waited to watch Animaniacs and The Simpsons instead, even Married With Children did better then Power Rangers.
>>150715026Anime wishes it can get a million a episode, episode budgets tend to be $100,000 to $200,000 per episode.>>150715520Those shows are timeless as Looney Tunes and were created to entertain, not hawk shit like they're He-Man, Transformers and G.I. Joe.>>150715555$2 million out of $70 million is not a success, and most of that $2 million came from other Asian countries anyway, which is still the east.
>>150715731>timelessIf they're timeless why is nobody talking about them anymore?Checkmate, boomer.
>>150705611begone weeb
>>150715731At least change up your stick you fucking retard, you do this every demon slayer thread.
>>150705611America will forever seethe at Japan for simply having better 2D drawn animation. It was America's own choice to go full 3D animation and stop doing 2D drawn cartoons after Disney's haydays. They have no one to blame themselves because they stop trying. The only media that gets consistent 2D drawn art is capeshit but capeshit is too easy to fall back on.>b-but Japan promotes degenerate stuff like hentai, incest and child sexualizationI'll take those over our freak show that is LGBT and their toxic obsessions, along with wokeshit.
>>150715745They are, get off of 4Chan and go to the normie sites, they won't shut up about them.>>150715772Demon Slayer isn't /co/.>>150715786Blitz Wolf and Who Killed Who? will like to have a word with you.
>>150715810>they won't shut up about them.>normies talking about animaniacs and ren and stimpy in 2025Okay grandpa, its time for bed
>>150715846They are.https://x.com/tomruegger
>>150715855Why am i not surprised you're a twitter nigger, fuck off and go back>7k followersKEK you're a fucking retard.
>>150715786They way disney is going with endless Live action remakes, dont bank on them learning their lesson any time soon.
>>150715884B, not K.And Tom Ruegger is the creator of Animaniacs.
Speaking of not learning... there's already rumors of demon slayer netflix live action kek.
>>150713673Any mechanical device (cars, bell towers, planes, boatds) is always CGI, the reason why you rarely see mecha in 2D anymore.I like how Princess Mononoke mix 3D models and traditional animation, but others prefer the lazy route of vehicles and mechas in 60fps
>>150705611>Why don’t Westerners create something similar?>Hand-drawn, not 3D>Good animationthey still have an entire comics industry worth of good artists buck lack animation studios. it's why whatever does get made is usually outsourced to the bug eaters in korea. >Good fights (I don’t like it, but most people do)see above>Actual budget>Actual marketinggetting a studio to commit a budget to a full fledged action animation movie in the west is a unicorn these days, outside of paramount burning money on the DOA atla movie coming out next year in a last ditch effort to milk the corpse of IP raped by it's hack creators.
>>150716028>but others prefer the lazy route of vehicles and mechas in 60fpsIt's not a lazy route. It's because there are no longer skilled mechanical 2D animators in Japan that work in anime. Or at least not enough to don't make the cost of hiring them to draw a sequence expensively prohibitive. That is the whole gist of the thing. Anime as changing as a fast pace because there is not enough time to train and pass down the knowledge to the new generation of animators. That is why they keep hiring foreign animators and getting production meltdowns.
>>150716245Sanae Takaichi is fixing that by the way.
>>150716269>Sanae TakaichiShe is going to be outsted in less than a year.
>>150716486She is Shinzo Abe on crack, she will be in power for at least 12 years.
>>150716539You mean she will be dead.
>>150714562no, ugly and gay survived
>>150716777No, she will be in power for 12 years at least.
>>150705611Because jews
>>150705676Originally it was cheaper and required less people so studios could fire everyone then pocket all the excess money. They didn't realize the software jew was bigger than the movie jew and got caught in a cycle of:> New software version> Need new computer for software> Oops software is a monthly subscription now> Oops, need a new computer for the new software version Until now it's even more expensive than it was to just have all the original people hand draw it and aniamte it on cels, and since the technology changes so rapidly year to year and they fired all of their top talent at the beginning a lot of the older movies haven't aged well so they aren't bringing in the money like their older movies which still stand the test of time. Now artists are lazy and untrained and won't go back to doing hand drawn unless they're FORCED to because they either won't do the extra work or have psyoped themselves into thinking it's impossible. Unironically if they had just left it alone 2d hand drawn cel animated movies would have just kept growing in popularity until they made as big of numbers as demon skayer is making but now they're at a point where no one wants to even mess around with them which is hilarious because Demon Slayer's success is going to have them seething like nothing else. It not only will trigger their greed and make the investors start hounding them about "why aren't WE doing THAT?" (which will make allcthe cirrent guys look as bad as possible since theyve been gimping ALL of their animated products for about a decade now and what littler they're putting out is garbage) and it destroys their narrative that people WANT woke feminist garbage with brown lesbians since Demon Slayer is a male centric action power fantasy where all the women are portrayed as silly, dumb, and needing to just stay to the side while the men handle things (with a pervy joke or two thrown in a long the way)This, plus Glitch must be a real thorn in their side
>>150716953>Glitch?
Westerners don't value art in the same way.
>>150705868The West certainly is, the problem is Hollywood will never let anyone who isn't a jew nepo baby have a spot in the industry again. The only way forward for the West is to collaborate with foreign media, or go indie. If we're very fortunate we'll have a repeat of the 70's Renaissance where they fire everyone in charge and hire nobodies again but honestly the best thing would be for the whole industry to crash and burn. Hollywood is a roach motel for bright young people and aspiring creatives.
>>150716958Indie autist does whatever, millions watch it.Imagine being a Hollywood producer looking at the shit you grandkid watches in utter confusion.
>>150705933This is true, and they have a much better infrastructure in Japan. From the ground up it's very grassroots. Anyone can submit a novel, comic, etc and get it published if the editors deem it good enough, and even if they don't they have a large fanfiction dot net type website (really more like AO3 or fictionpress) where anyone can publish their works online for free and retain the copyright. If a fic gets huge enough with enough readers the publishing people will officially publish it as a light novel, of the light novel is popular enough it can get an anime and/or manga adaptation. From there, they also have a great system of local bands getting good playing local bars, then getting bigger from doing battle of the band contests and then getting to have one of their songs be the theme song for these anime shows when they come out. Likewise, they have many amateur beauty contests that will result in girls from your neighborhood being featured on local billboards and commercials, and doing national competitions to get more notoriety so they can get the chance to be featured in national TV shows and voice anime characters which draws in more interest from viewers. I assume they probably have a similar system for live action as well with film festivals and such. By making every aspect of the industry accessible to the layperson it creates a lot of interest from people who will tune in to support friends, family, and hometown heroes, and an industry that's a pride and joy of the nation. All that adds up to really soulful and entertaining media the West just can't compete with since it's all gatekept by nepo babies with arrested development that hate their host nation and want to subvert and destroy it.
>>150705996Probably Lost desu
>>150706076They got their way in by shilling that they were "bringing a new voice" and "their unique experience" to the media, but everyone forgot that we had learned over almost a century that telling your own unique and personal story is usually lame and uninteresting and instead you had to just think up an interesting story that appealed to everybody and your own unique personal experiences were just a way of trying to add true to life flair to your depiction of characters and construction of scenes.Unfortunately, this is impossible for those people because they've been taught the majority are bad and need to learn to cater to them and that anyone who tries to censor them is inherently wrong. They will never be able to succeed in this industry.
>>150706125I watched A Greyhound of a Girl. You don't know me.
>>150716953Nothing you said is true.>>150716958Feminist company founded by far left women for far left women, originated by 2 guys by the names of Luke and Kevin making stupid retarded Mario meme videos but some woman who Kevin was with at the time made their outfit go corporate and as a result only women were hired and Luke and Kevin got shafted as the years went on.Hired a tranny just for DEI brownie points, tranny creates Digital Circus and has rigged views by bots, tranny gets fired for not being a cis-woman after finishing his scripts for Digital Circus and went to Apple TV to make and star in live action programing while Luke and Kevin are at the point for getting fired for being cis-men, taking their stupid retarded Mario meme videos with them and scrubbing anything Glitch related in those videos (as in the OCs like Tari, Saiko and Melony and are 100% retconned and scrubbed out of existence (just like the Archie/Ken Penders character in Sonic and Ms.Pac-Man and Jr.Pac-Man getting replaced with Pac-Mom and Pac-Boy in Pac-Man) Fishy Boopkins is now called Spike, Bob is now Garos and Meggy is now Orange Inkling, the retarded guards are still the retarded guards as they originated from Rare's GoldenEye 007, not Glitch), pretty much going back to what SMG4 was before 2017.Meanwhile the tranny got sued for jumping ship to Apple TV for trying to make a live action remake of Digital Circus (the plain was he will do a new IP for Apple TV (The Savant) and after that is done with he would do a live action remake of Digital Circus) but because of the lawsuit with Glitch Apple TV had to pull the tranny's new IP (The Savant) until the legal drama with Digital Circus is delt with.In short, Glitch is a no boys club that only makes products for girls.
>>150717032Wasn't the savant put on hold for sucking major dick?
>>150717038yes. gooseworx also has literally nothing to do with it, anon is a retarded schizo
>>150716999Not the case, anime production is much harder because you're not allowed to make original IPs and the whole anime land scape is 20 times worse then what it is in the US as Japan never had it's Kricfalusi Miracle where artists are allowed to make new IPs whenever they want.The best Japan can do is sneak a new IP into a IP that has already establish and have those new IP segments be about 2 to 3 minutes spliced up in a 22 minute episode, other then that it's like days of He-Man, Transformers and G.I. Joe (aka the darkest days of the 1980s) never left and everything is just Filmation with Bambi eyes.You can bitch about Steven Universe as much as you want and you can bitch about Ralph Bighead's sex change in Static Cling as much as you want, but at least Rebecca Sugar was allowed to make the show she wanted to make and Joe Murray was allowed to make the special he wanted to make, Japan doesn't have that luxury, because they never had their John K leading the way to heaven.It's also why people like Jymn Magon, Tad Stones, Tom Ruegger and especially Steven Spielberg mattered to the Japanese, they give Japan a taste of FREADOM that Hideaki Anno and Hayao Miyazaki whish they had.
>>150706238It's the whole Hollywood culture. There was a time I went out to Hollywood to "get into" the industry, and what I learned is they have this trick where there's always another $10,000.You book your first gig? That's great, we loved you, but we noticed you don't have this part for your camera and if you want us to hire you again you're going to have to buy it. It just costs $10,000.And ince you get it they DO hire you, but then at the end of the day they say: "That's great, but now we really need you to get this other part so it will look REALLY good." and that part will be... $10,000.If you finally get all the equipment you need and want to make your own thing you can book time at a studio, but its probably going to be two 16 hour days in a row to make it happen and that's going to cost...about $10,000.You finally got the studio money? That's great! But don't forget you need a team of actors and each ones going to want around $100 so that's going to be another $10,000.Oh you got that? Great! Now, anyone in this town will walk off the set if you don't cater lunch (and you need a vegan option if you don't want to get black balled, fascist!) so for all those people it's going to be about $10,000.Don't forget you need a lighting guy, and a sound guy, and a couple of people to just run around and idiot wrangle everyone. They're not that expensive it's just going to be about $10,000.Oh, you made the thing! Awesome, you can send it in to a film festival and it might pass on to the semifinal stage, but you'll be disqualified if you cant afford marketing materials to display at the event (we have an image to maintain!) No, you cant make your own or commission your own artist you have to pick from a list of pre-approved ones, but they'll gladly do it for you....for $10,000.
>>150717097O.K., you're in! We'll show your thing at the festival. But only if you can prove you'll be here in person, and to make sure you don't get delayed by unexpected occurrences you have to stay in this specific hotel adjacent to the festival, but don't worry they have rooms reaerved for you for the entire event! It will just be $10,000.O.K. you booked the room? Great! Now, we can't have you leaving the event in case an industry insider needs to network with you or we have to move around your Q&A sessions or the awards ceremony. Don't worry, though. We will cater the event so you'll have all the food and drink you could need. You'll just have to pay a meal ticket fee of about $10,000.Eventually, if you spend around a million dollars I think they accept you aren't poor and start letting you make your money back. And if you don't screw up then after 3 or 4 times you finally break even and THEN you can start making some money. Unless you underperform or get canceled, then you're out on your butt. Tough luck, kid. That's show business!Even in animation it can be horrible. I remember the Glitch guys interviewed some dude who did a series for Netflix or something and the executives told him he HAD to come to L.A. for an IN-PERSON meeting. COULD NOT be over the phone. Then when he got there they told him they couldnt "fit him in" right away so "just hangout, we'll call you when the time is right." and he had to quit his job and get an apartment in Los Angeles and LIVE THERE for SIX MONTHS before they finally met with him and agreed to greenlight his show (this whole time they could've just changed their minds and said they weren't interested mind you.) but all in all it wasn't that big of a deal, the rent was just about...$10,000.It's a scam all the way down. Be it acting, animating, music, directing, anything. Hollywood is a menace designed to suck you dry so they won't have to compete with actual creatives.
>>150717038No, legal issues with Glitch is what held it up.>>150717057Gooseworx created, directed and stared as the main character in The Savant, Glitch doesn't want Gooseworx to be in the entertainment industry and Apple TV and to give him a job regardless of Glitch trying to blacklist him for being a tranny and Glitch trying to kill off a live action remake of Digital Circus that can last more then 1 season.Glitch is like this because Digital Circus has MALE characters in it, which they hate.
sorry for asking
>>150717112It's ok, we all had our off days.
>>150706715He means Rugby
anyway this was 5000 drawings >>150714183
>>150707577This should kill, but they already announced they're going to make it as terrible as possible because Hollywood can't do anything right.
>>150717082>because you're not allowed to make original IPs You are. You can draw Manga.
>>150708217Post the scene where Muzan sets the house on fire.
>>150708343> No booty shot What is this garbage?>>150708398Nothing is stopping them from using models like Fleisher did.
>>150708510Better than any 3D movie
It's more expensive than ever to live a barebones basic and simple life in any American urban area, and that chokes out what's seen as luxury endeavors or people's willingness to even attempt it
>>150705611>Hand-drawn, not 3DThis literally doesn't matter at all. You actually care more about the color and shading.
>>150709155I wanted to do that so bad as a kid. I still think about it sometimes.
>>150709397We were only White until the Hart-Cellar Act ruined the country.
>>150717138Manga isn't as restricted as comics as you are allowed to do something besides superheroes but everything has to be focus tested by it's targeted demographic before it sees the light of day, thats why most manga as of late is either battle shonen or romance, you almost never get comedy anymore unless the manga magazine is short and needs a forum of filler until another battle shonen or romance manga is ready.
>>150712584How do we get Trump to overturn the Children's Television Act?
>>150713241Unironically.
>>150712584Also, kids just don't play with physical toys on the same scale anymore. They can get their parents to buy minecraft or fortnite or whatever one time and be good with that for a very long time
>>150717167MeTV Toons is already in the prosses of doing that, the ratings are high enough (20 million viewers minimum (baring stuff like Captain Planet, In The Beginning: Bible Stories and Caillou which gets much lower ratings), 45 million viewers on average) that they can make a impact.
>>150713482> they're too niggardly with budgeting and refuse to adopt more advanced technologyThank the LORD our God. But also you haven't seen MilkySubway: Limited Galaxy Express.
Daily reminderOne of the best anime of 2025 is non-manga-adaptation-original IP
>>150713573> Pic rel
>>150714226Don't forget Hedwig and the Witch. They don't want it and I love them for that
>>150713455>Warner has had DC comics for over 50 years and Disney has had Marvel for about 15 years and both have never done anything as impactful as the Japanese with animeWere you asleep during the highlight of MCU?
>>150715846Don't respond to Famicom
>>150717216Thing is whats actually impactful that came out of Japan never left the country unless it's video games (originated like Mario or Pokémon or tied to the point that it over shadowed the anime/manga it was based on like Hamtaro) or has Americans keeping a leash on the Japanese (like Tiny Toon Adventures and Animaniacs).
>>150717227Famicom had nothing to do with that post, you think everything is Famicom Barneyfag so fuck off.
>>150717082Anime Original Animations are released every season.
>>150717229I know it's you Famicom because you always get super mad when people point out that's it you. You are insightful sometimes, though.
>>150717232Not the case, at all.They exist but are a rare as Stadium Events for the NES in the wild.>But Toei...Toys are designed by Bandai first, then Toei has to make a show around the toys, that doesn't count.
>>150717241You're new here, everyone here is like that.>>150717201Debunked, figurines (the kind you shove on a shelf after spending $300 dollars on and forget about) were design first and the show was designed to sell figurines.
>>150717253>figurines (the kind you shove on a shelf after spending $300 dollars on and forget about) were design first and the show was designed to sell figurines.the source?
>>150717149Nah
>>150705611Demon Slayer had no budget and no marketing
>>150717162Manga has zero focus testing. It's so cheap to just let people write what they want and slap it in a black and white anthology magazine they can just let them sink or swim instead of trying to overtailor each work.
>>150717288The latest Demon Slayer movie had a budget of $20 million and most of that was marketing.>>150717302Not the case, probably in the 50s where it was the wild west but by the 70s you had to copy when everyone else was doing or get fired as a result.It's far more restricted now of day.
>>150717288>no marketingThis is the second film after 60 episodes, they don't need any marketing.
>>150717313no the $20 million was the production budgetthe entire studio had to work on this filmaniplex covered the japanese and asian markets distributionsony/crunchyroll handled the rest, they also used the site of crunchyroll to do the heavy lifting of the marketing in the us and other countries outside of asia
>>150717082I find the idea of freedom in animation stupid. Animation is an industrial process where large numbers of people have to be lashed together with all kinds of capital investments and machinery to produce a single work. The way you can get "freedom" in there is to make one guy an autocrat that has final say over everyone else. That's a pretty mutant form of freedom.If you want creative freedom, go write a book or draw a black and white comic strip. They perfectly fit what one person can create. Animation is like building a bridge, the individual is just a single element in submission to a natural goal.
>>150717331You have no idea how budgets to animated films work, out of the $20 million dollar budget only $2 million was spent on the actual movie itself, the remaining $18 million was spent on marketing and distribution.>>150717352The animation industry doesn't work like that, if it did Ren and Stimpy wouldn't exist.
>>150705611>Breaks global records*...(*for a Japanese language film)
>>150717373>beats every western comic book film this year
>>150717373$70 million world wide isn't a global record, thats held by a Chinese film.
>>150705676The really big attraction of 3D to hyper capitalism is that it's much more possible to spend more money to make the process faster and more reliable than 2D. With 2D animation you end up much more beholden to idiosyncratic highly skilled individuals that can only do so much work and can only be so compelled by more money. It's like the thing where you can't make one baby twice as fast by getting two women pregnant. But with 3D you are much closer to making animation into a true parallelized factory process where individual workers mean nothing and have no identity in the final work.
>>150705611Because the best movie of the year is Korean
>>150717418Thats a US X Canadian co-production, no South Korean studio is attached to this.
>>150717418Kys slopper
>>150717418>It's K-pop themed, so it's Korean!!By this logic, Samurai Jack is Anime.
>>150714205I was pretty impressed with Gantz:O the first time I saw it.
>>150717123My ass that was 60 frames a second
>>150714959lol why would anyone ever make themselves into an indentured servant to make bad cartoons? this lady's a rube.
the worst part is they will. they will make anything if they realize it makes money.they will try to make something like anime and try to take every credit from japan at the same time.just look at /co/, you can see that's already happening.
>>150717656I see you are a NEET
>>150706167Annoyingly people do love Demon Slayer characters.I my showing it proceeded to spend 20+ minutes of the villains sappy melodramatic back story and the people around me including a woman in her mid 30s beside me started crying.I wanted to tell them, guys this asshole literally eats people
>>150705875>streaming service originals is just a bad idea as a whole. Streaming, in general, was a mistake. Physical remains supreme.
>>150717418CGI slop isn't real animation
>>150705611Because the west lost competition to the japanese in the meantime of killing 2D to condition audiences to consume CG only in the big screen instead, so rebuilding the pipelines for traditional 2D animation will recquire insane amounts of investment and a competitive drive to overtake or at least stand in equal grounds to the japanese in an industry that has been buried by unions and leftist propaganda, wich simply won't happen because western studios are too focused on indoctrinating the masses rather than sells us what we want.
>>150718396>because western studios are too focused on indoctrinating the masses rather than sells us what we want.They did sell you what you want (The Day The Earth Blew Up), you just didn't bother with it because it wasn't good enough.
>>150718480>daffy and porky twerkingyeah that's totally what I wanted
>>150718282My guy, you're in a Demon Slayer thread.Its computers all the way down.
>>150718396What about Demon Slayer's animation is traditional? Shit got enough CG backgrounds to mistake it for 3D maze on Windows 95.
>>150710019They do, up to the 90s, all of disney was adaptations.And a surprising amount of dreamworks is too.
>>150717149Kek good joke
This thread is childish and a waste of time
>>150705611>Hand-drawn, not 3DUnion laws dont allow companies to abuse 2D artist the same way they do 3D artist. If they did we'd likely be back to 2D films. >Good animationWeird subjective point. Dont really know what you'd consider "Good Animation". Plenty of 2D cartoon have good animation and aren't choppy. >Good fightsWe dont really do fights. Our major studios like to make movies for little girls and transitioning children. >Acrual budgetPlenty of aniamted movies with actual budgets. Just the people on the team are incompetent. >Acrual MarketingAssuming you dont live in america because we are pretty much constantly being advertised a new animated movie. Major studios are still competent at marketing their products. Hopefully this movoe doing well is a wakeup call for the major studios. Heard Disney is wanting to make movies for little boys again so maybe they will see this and make a new 2D action movie? I doubt it'll happen but we can always hope.
>>150717176This. This is why we need sentai shows without the lame giant robot fights. This is why Kamen Rider shows are suddenly piquing my interest (although for the life of me I don't understand why opponents just stand there and let the Kamen characters do the hokey-pokey, cranking their belt buckle, pulling out this and swapping that...instead of bum-rushing them, and during their fights, aim attacks at the belt itself). Nobody's buying toys, just give us cool fight scenes, stop trying to sell Bandai's shitty chunks of plastic with 3 points of articulation.
>>150713653Josh Wheaton is the responsible
>>150708510>The sheer audacity of this motherfucker.
>>150706603I say they should either make him a martial artist instead of a haymaker-thrower who OCCASIONALLY uses a martial art once every hundred issues (maybe give him the ability to project solar energy blasts, and the cost of his powers running out temporarily if he uses too much energy, and he would need to recharge via sunlight, rest, and food. Make his invincibility finite, with a cooldown. That creates STAKES, and makes him more relatable. A better take on that stupid "supernova" move he had a couple years ago where he was depowered afterwards each time for a while and was able to enjoy normal person stuff, like food...but then that would be too much like Son you-know-who).
>>150718945Joss Whedon. The last good thing he did was Buffy The Vampire Slayer. It WAS epic, but that shit went to his head.
>>150705611The west can't make stories like this anymore. Everything the west makes has to preach a political message, show "marginalized voices" and have the "correct" viewpoints. Essentially, Hollywood will only invest millions of dollars making something if it's propaganda that fills the right ESG tax credit checkboxes and follows the correct critical theories of what they deem to be acceptable. In other countries, they tell good entertaining stories simply to tell good stories. Not everything has to beat you over the head with political agenda preaching. This is why western audiences are flocking to Korean and Japanese media and abandoning Western media.
>>150718991Wrong. Cabin In The Woods
>>150717313You are totally full of shit, lmao.
>>150719133Doesn't every single demon slayer boss enemy interupt the killing blow against them so we can spend 22 minutes flashing back to their sad back story about how they got marginalized in the most drawn out "boo hoo if only the world was nicer this all could have been avoided" bullshit to make you feel bad about the centuries of human eating monsters?
>>150719133>The west can't make stories like this anymore.The Day The Earth Blew Up will like to have a word with you.>Everything the west makes has to preach a political message, show "marginalized voices" and have the "correct" viewpoints.The Day The Earth Blew Up has none of that.>Essentially, Hollywood will only invest millions of dollars making something if it's propaganda that fills the right ESG tax credit checkboxes and follows the correct critical theories of what they deem to be acceptable.Trump is putting a stop to that.In other countries this bullshit is 20 times worse, western audiences are NOT flocking to South Korean and Japanese media and abandoning Western media, they're abandoning modern media made the last 19 years period and if it were not for TMS (who's cut off year is 2006) that would be abandoning media made the last 55 years it is that bad.
>>150719174No, that is the case, fuck off.
>>150718644Yeah, always fairytales of public domain, but NEVER real literature. Call me if they adapt stories of Émile Zola, Honoré Balzac, Anatole France, The Decameron or The Canterbury Tales
>>150719206Stfu Famicon
>>150707915Klaus is 3d cgi very expertly disguised as 2d you moron.
>>150719275Movie still sucked ass.
>>150706982>this success of an anime tells hollywood they should stop making animedo you even read what are you typing before hitting the post button
>>150707577Its going to be woke and gay and less interesting than TLAB
>>150719206>Trump is putting a stop to that.
>>150719383He already put tariffs on foreign media which caused Japan's anime industry a huge deal of damage and with Sanae Takaichi being Japan's prime minister it was the one, two punch that forced Japan to not only cut back on the number of productions (250 a season to 25 a year) but also to stop the otaku crap and start making anime for local normies/family/kids again and stop leaching off of foreigners.
>>150713353It's for their nephews' birthday gift that they've been screaming to get for the whole year.
>>150719345I think anon's point is that people don't just want anime but with bad Hollywood writing, or a typical cartoon with an "anime-esque" coat of paint.American studios and creatives unironically believe that the only reason anime is successful is because of the artstyle, so they think if they just get some anime studio to animate the typical Hollywood trash it'll do gangbusters.
>>150719452In short, The Day The Earth Blew Up, except be actual Looney Tunes and not Ren and Stimpy/Dexter's Lab in a Looney Tunes skin and have it be produced in Japan.
>>150719436That's a stack of one volume of a manga that costs like $4 per copy because they're small, black and white, and on cheap paper. Nobody begs for a manga volume.
Why westerners losing now?
>>150720543Other way around.
>>150706167>Well, you have sacrificed story content for mindless violence and lack of structure!Western animators will say this and then shove a gay show about witches discussing their feelings as they do nothing and twiddle their fingers for 10 minutes.
>>150719206>The Day The Earth Blew UpDidn't that bomb?
>>150705611Our animation and comic industry is is ran by cronyism nepotism queers and evil people.All of which hate everyone outsidebifnyhe damned divorced from reality hellcape of los Angela's and sterile soul devoid newyork.With every other artist in the country funneled into their dying ideologically sterile cults or stomped out because there can be only one.
>>150719338Stfu
>>150721231Made back it's budget, people avoided it because Katie Rice worked on it as people are still pissed at her for stealing Atsuko Tanaka's job on Animaniacs'2020 (episode director as she has that roll on the original Animaniacs), otherwise it would've outdone both Avatars put together in the box office.
>>150717032you sound unhinged
>>150721424No, it's just facts.
This retarded weeb is gonna seethe and rage when Zootopia 2 crushes DS's entire NA run in one weekend
>>150719338Nope
>>150721475Yes, it did suck ass.
>>150706347its not really hard, just extremely repetitive drawing frames
>>150721463It's China Demon Slayer needs to worry about, plus that $70 million was mostly Japan with the rest being from other Asian countries and Latin America, Anglo America didn't even resister on the meter when it came to Demon Slayer's 3rd movie.Zootopia 2 should worry about China as well.
>>150721292>>150707178>>150707792>>150708536>>150719273Gtfo granny latinx NES
>>150720638Maybe on other planet
>>150705611that would require making white male action heroes and hollywood does not allow this for some weird reason
>still parroting this retarded nonsense when a simple google search will show that 70 million was the opening weekend number the us release, and infinity train is currently at 632 million+ all together with a china release on the horizon.Famicon’s seethe needs to be studied
>>150717483you first consoomer
>>150705611>Why don’t Westerners create something similar?Because animation peaked with Snow White
>>150717176>kids just don't play with physical toys on the same scale anymore.They still buy on the same scale.Kids still appreciate physical toys.
>>150713482Fucking final fantasy you goddammit retard. That pushed 3D animation mainstream. Their 3d has been in the far more lucrative video game market since then.
>>150717082They have to fucking pay bills and getting spoiled nepo babies waste valuable resources to crap out their personal passion project that has no marketability is a bad call.
>>150705941>TOTAL [thing] DEATH!!!why the fuck do people say shit like this now
>>150721463Zootopia will struggle to reach $500 million. Disney lost all trust from family audiences
>>150717176"Labubu".Your rebuttal....Asca matter if fact with the way social media is structured its the perfect time for toys.
>>150719201Yeh but it's ethnically homogeneous and not woke
>>150719206>Trump is putting a stop to that.Blackrock, vanguard and state street still exist. ESG isn't gone. Orangeman hasn't done shit to stop it, though I wish he did.
>>150721883I know right?Even the (admitedly highly fuckable )nose ring wearing pansexual alt chicks on YouTube called live action lilo and stitch meanspirited, unfamily friendly and creepy. Disney's name is poisoned.
>>150719217You are still full of shit and lying on the internet. Typical of a 3rd worlder.
>>150708440I will never understand the obsession with panty shots and panty related things, underwear is fucking disgusting if its worn. You dweebs would understand the concept of how disgusting the average period stains and skidmarks on women underwear is if you didn't just consume brain rotting anime slop 24/7
>>150721533Shut up, Fagicom.
>>150705611We can't compete
>Spam visual effects with camera movement>MY GOD SUCH INCREDIBLE FIGHT SCENESI hate Ufotable
>>150721671That's what bothers you? Not the fact that this mongoloid has been going for years basically saying: "In the beginning, there was darkness. And then God said, 'IT'S TIME FOR ANIMANIACS!'"?
>>150705676Lack of talent
>>150722744Clean worn panties on a healthy woman who is turned on, heavily ovukating, or just sweaty from a long day are viagra to healthy men. As for the disgusting panties. Men know.And kind if men into thise types of undies are the kind that are on watch lists.
WE LOST TO DEMON SLAYER, YES WE DID
>>150723949>Red Hulk and not Sam Wilson who's a proven anti-drawTrying to downplay his L, huh
>>150723949Nobody's going to remember Demon Slayer in a few years once they move onto the next big thing
>>150724603The manga's been over for half a decade now and it doesn't seem to have even slowed it down.
>>150723238oh that’s retarded as well, but he’s been consistently retarded with that to the point it has lost all novelty.
>>150724603>Nobody's going to remember Demon Slayer in a few yearsOne Piece, Bleach and JJK fans are going to if only because of the seismic shift it did to their respective franchises, animation wise. Watching Whole Cake Island ending to Wano beginning and seeing the real-time shift KnY brought on to it's animation has been one of the wildest things to witness, and Bleach's director outright named it as the reason why they could actually deliver shorter but better animated cours. JJK would never have managed to get the go ahead for its level of animation without KnY starting a sakuga gold rush. It's probably going to be more akin to Halloween starting the slasher gold rush due to it's surprise success opening the eyes to a market they'd thought unprofitable until then. Dragonball completely shaped how anime-movies were made back in its heyday with it's non-canon side stories and it looks like KnY just reshaped it again with entire arcs being made as movies, and being successful.
>>150723949still not the right number of syllables
>>150705611>Why don’t Westerners create something similar?If animators were smart, then they'd just do an animated adaptation of Warhammer, 40k, Elder Scrolls, A Song of Ice and Fire, the Stormlight Archives, Wheel of Time etc. Western fantasy has so many fucking stories that could easily compete with Anime if they were simply ADAPTED faithfully
>>150724740Sakuga is ugly
>>150718924If I recall its because the OG rider needed the wind to spin the turbine in his belt buckle device in order to transform (which is also why he rode a motorcycle as it let him generate wind to spin the turbine himself).And that idea just got transferred over to later riders and mutated over time into the wacky crank shit we see today.
>>150724971That's unlikely to happen because western creatives in the entertainment industry tend to want to "make it their own" when it comes to adaptations.At this point, we're more likely to get adaptations of those properties made by anime studios than anything made in the west.It already happened with Leviathan.
>>150724971Finally a good point made in favor of western stuff.>Warhammer, 40k, Elder Scrolls, A Song of Ice and FireI'd take all of these. hell, people were telling hbo to do this with game of thrones after the show shit the bed. the problem hase never been a lack of material but a willingness to money behind good works that aren't political soapboxing. Instead we get dragonball z for liberal cucks (Invinsible) and Dnd but for tumblr (Vox Machina)
>>150725142>>150725165>harry potter, narnia, percy jackson etc still dont have good animated adaptations.And they haven't learned by now that making it their own sucks after game of thrones, halo and the witcher, they never will. I've been saying it for years, the catalogue of good IP is not the problem. It's the 'creators' and suits behind them turning them to shit.
>>150721641No, this one.>>150721671That is not a seethe, it is the god's honest truth.>>150721688Coal Black, not Snow White, and animation peaked with The Great Piggy Bank Robbery.>>150721834No, thats a excellent call, no doing so is a bad call.And those projects did have loads of marketability, nobody wants to return to the darkest days of the 1980s.>>150721923>Blackrock, vanguard and state street still exist.But because of Trump they're nowhere near as powerful as they were under Biden.ESG is going away.Trump is stopping it.>>150723179>Made $70 million in life time and most of that is Japan alone.>American films still get $300 million in America alone.America can still compete, it's China we can't compete with.
>>150721883wow..... you are fucking retarded
>>150723949Yes, for the first film which made a billion dollars in Japan alone.Demon Slayer stopped being popular because it was just Yo-Kai Watch all over again.>>150724634>First film made a billion.>Second film made $250 million.>Third film made $70 milllion. Demon Slayer did slow down.>>150724603They already did, it's called Ruri Rocks.>>150724740>Dragon Ball completely shaped how anime-movies were made back in its heyday.Doraemon, not Dragon Ball.>>150724971They're already doing that, it's called The Day The Earth Blew Up.
>>150725165No, those are bad things.
>>150725165so how we solve this problem?the suits and creatives get into those positions by being social and having friends/ connections the anons here are too autistic, antisocial, and come to retarded conclusions as to why they fail at making something succeed in todays environment
>>150725685Be vocal in our disapproval for these types of creatives, demand faithful adaptations of good material and most importantly hit the suits in their bottom line. stop giving them money to shit down your throat. make a redlist of known bad actors in the creative field so that anytime they get work again, they are immediately boycotted. getting enough people to hold these companies accountable and hit them where it hurts is the only way. Easier said then done but rome wasnt built in a day
>Went from fellating Animaniacs to DoraemonThis fucking autismo.
>>150725899Every normie is like this, plus Animaniacs never had a feature, only a OVA with Wakko's Wish, while Doraemon gets a feature every year (baring 2021 due to Covid).
>>150725965Doraemon is relevant in only one market, Japan.
>>150721959And yet the movie made fucking one billion dollars.
>>150726022No, it's relevant in all markets, it use to not be relevant in English speaking markets and the first attempt at a English dub bombed because it was on a death bed network (Disney XD) but like Crayon Shin-Chan Doraemon got a second chance and now everyone won't shut up about it.
>Notice how this schizo never backs up anything he saysThis is all one big psyop to get the thread to post limit, because this faggot cant except reality. just stop feeding him and report the spam.
>>150725824What happened to D&D after GOT ended needs to be the norm, not the exception
>>150725685Just don't copy Ran and Stimpy and make cartoons the way Tex Avery and Bob Clampett did to the T.Thats it, do that and the problem is solved.
>>150721883even if it is so dogshit no one likes it, zootopia 2 is still an $800 million movieas of now it has a 99% chance of hitting $1 billion and a 50% chance of $1.5 billionand it's just a reskin of the last film "sepcies-ism is bad" but now instead of all carnivores being the misunderstood ones it's reptiles
>>150727248>zootopiathe biggest thing you guys dont seem to get is that zootopia came out in 2016, pre covid... Im' not saying it's not gonna do well but consider the climate the original dropped in and how different things are 9 years later, in a time where marvel movies are no longer guaranteed 700 mil and up hits. nothing is guaranteed to make numbers like that anymore. It will smash whatever that goat movie is supposed to be, thats for sure kek. whoever greenlit that needs to be fired.
>>150727327inside out 2 was a $1.5 billion movie
>>150727248It's a blm critical race theory allegory about reptiles being the slaves who built zootopia and now face unfair systemic oppression
>>150725443>But because of Trump they're nowhere near as powerful as they were under Biden.>ESG is going away.None of this is remotely true.
>>150727248NTA, but Zootopia 2 is going to be missing out on at least $150 million (or $250 million if China actually decides to stop approving American movies) since the first movie made $40 million in Russia and over $200 million in China, the former of which is now completely impossible while the latter is extremely unlikely.So unless the movie does gangbusters in the US and the rest of the world picks up the slack from the complete lack of Russia and a much smaller China box office, it may end up struggling to cross the $700 million mark.
Anime killed the cartoon starAnime killed the cartoon starIn my theaters and in my TV, we're now weebs we've gone to farOh-a-aho ohOh-a-aho ohAnime killed the cartoon starAnime killed the cartoon starIn my theaters and in my TV, we're now weebs we've gone to farAnime came and ended your cartoons, put the blame on Disney
>>150724603It's the biggest anime film franchise of all time and many tourist and zoomers baby's first anime. It's transcended in to the mainstream and will be remembered fondly for decades. The series is short and sweet with cinematic quality animation and a simple and emotional story. Demon Slayer will be remembered as one of the GOATs
>>150727396>inside out 2cool, now show me all the other animated movies that made anywhere near that amount. Elio definitely broke the bank am i rite?
>>150723949Mr. Fantastic being stretched 5 meters then being in pain is retarded
>>150725497mugen train made $500 million worldwideinfinity castle has made $632 million worldwide so far and there are 2 more IC films left, each will make more than the laststop being an obtuse moron, you're like jeremy
>>150727451>Demon Slayer will be remembered as one of the GOATsMore like something decent
>>150727502it is jeremy kek. his endless doraemon spam gives him away every time
>>150724971I actually was thinking about this with that new Disney Spider-Man cartoon where they claimed it was going to be Ditko-era Spider-Man but then they changed a bunch of shit and introduced Ghost Spider and all that nonsense. I thought "Damn, can you even imagine if the original comic run that made Spider-Man so popular was actually faithfully animated? Would it work?" I feel like there must be a craving out there for authentic adaptations that currently is going unmet.
>>150727456these are sequels to liked movies they already have an audience is why I am saying, don't be surprised if gets over a billion
>>150725824>Be vocal in our disapproval for these types of creativesthey'll just ignore you since you're not the target audience, they want people who have never heard of the ip they're adapting to watch their thing>demand faithful adaptations of good material and most importantly hit the suits in their bottom linethat wont work since normal people will eat up slop and the suits will see any financial failure or anything that isn't an infinite money generator as poison and never do anything like it ever againor the opposite where they will keep trying to recreate the infinite money generator until they fail miserablyand the creatives will never want to make anything faithful because they aren't people who understand the source material>make a redlist of known bad actors in the creative field so that anytime they get work again, they are immediately boycottedboycotts never work >Easier said then done but rome wasn't built in a dayhow will anyone pull this off if they're too antisocial and autistic to have people bother listening to youthese people live in a different worldall of these require being a very social person who can make friends easilyit's always "they should do this", but never "i'm actively working on doing this"
>>150727526and still no hand posted
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>>150727624see >>150727447I wont be, but its not guaranteed. the new movie tarrif war on the horizon will only make things harder to break bank
>>150727440Yes, it is, you're not seeing as much LGBT shit and even when a tranny like Gooseworx is staring in a live action project The Savant which he also created he is treated as a person and not as a political statement for the far left.>>150727448Not at $70 million, plus it's China you should worry about.>>150727451Demon Slayer isn't Sazae-San, in fact Demon Slayer isn't even as popular as Detective Conan with is much more popular then Demon Slayer.And lets not forget about Pokémon.>>150727502Not the case.Mugen Train made $250 million world wide.Infinity Castle on the other hand made $70 million world wide.For both films most of the revenue was just in Japan alone, a little bit in other Asian countries and Latin America but that money was just in Japan alone, Anglo America avoided them like the plague because they were not funny animal comedies.So please shut the fuck up, you don't know what you're talking about.
>>150727639Not the case what so ever.
>>1507276335 bucks says he's a jeet kek
>>150727704Back it up with facts and logic
>>150727719Already did.
>>150727730Oh, never mind then, i believe you
>>150711946These posts make so much more sense now that I know they're made by monkeys.
The party is over. Time to banana split out of my club!
>>150727693wash your cumstained mattress
>>150708667beauty and the beast
