This is why her artstyle is so bland and has such a lack of variety, every character looks too clean and like they were designed to be someone’s waifu or husbando. Compare this to her stylistic influences like Disney, Tim Burton, and Jhonen Vasquez who weren’t afraid to draw ugly when it was most fitting.
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>>150719897Isn't their over consumption meant to be alcohol and drugs?
>>150719897Beelzebub was drawn as a Fox Bee on the request of the Voice Actress, who was a colossal Furry. She quit the show so they can course-correct the characters retarded design whenever they want.
>>150719897what's a "legbeard"?
>>150719897she used to be able to draw somewhat of a variety
>>150719998Female equivalent to neckbeard
>>150720008things have really been smoothed out, i miss the barely controlled craziness. the older versions of the characters were definitely uglier though
>>150720028i forgot how eyebleeding this girl on the right is
>>150720045ok last one
>>150720027i get it, heh
>>150719897>Why can’t Vivzie draw a single character ugly?Literally everything she draws is hideous sparkledog horseshit. You're just a mentally ill Deviantart faggot so you're attracted to her particular brand of obnoxious ugliness.
>>150720008>>150720028>>150720045>>150720060This just oozes "teenage Tim Burton fangirl".
>>150719897You cry when characters are ugly and now you're crying they're attractive?
>>150720008>>150720028>>150720045>>150720060I kinda like it. If they kept it like this, they could have played the show off as a love letter to old deviantart autism and nobody would have questioned the shitty writing.
To be fair most of the crazy incel types aren't particularly ugly. They just have body dysmorphia and oftentimes poor hygiene but like, look at Elliot Rodger. Dude was the exact kind of twink as this demon. His height was kind of against him but you can't say he didn't have a good hair routine
>>150720008damn, I do like these, she's always been decent when she isn't drawing twinks
>>150720028>>150720045>Gets every decade right>Except the 60s that looks abso-fucking-lutely nothing like 60s fashionIt's so jarring, like she didn't even try with the 60s for some reason.
>>150719993>She quit the show so they can course-correct the characters retarded design whenever they want.They won't thoughever.
>>150720008>>150720028>>150720060Vivzies old art looked far more appealing, her characters look fluid, cartoony, squishy and stretchy, her new art looks stiff in comparision.I see people saying she had to tone down the designs to make them easier to animate but that doesn't mean they should be completely stripped of appeal, Zoophobia had plenty of designs that were both simplistic yet had the same appeal.
>>150720008>>150720028Its funny how Angel dust started as some bloodthirsty gangster and is now a pathetic woobie getting his back blown out nonstop.
>>150720008Do you know how I can see more of Vivziepop's older designs/artwork?She pruned her old deviantart like a jerk, so a lot of her stuff is hard to find now.
>>150719931Couldn't even make him look ugly under the mask
>>150719897>I want ugly charactersFinally, the Velma audience.
>>150720595Making cartoons ugly isn't a bad thing, but there's two kinds of ugly:There's the good kind of ugly, where something looks ugly but stylistically appealing, stuff like Ren & Stimpy, Flapjack, Ed Edd & Eddy, Beavis and Butthead, etc. and even in some newer stuff like The Gaslight District and Smiling Friends. ffs Invader Zim is a stylistically ugly show and one of VivziePops biggest artistic influences.But then you got the bad kind of ugly which is mostly stiff garbage where said ugliness is a shitty cost-cutting measure like in Big Mouth, Velma, or all those shitty Family Guy ripoffs.Know the difference.
>>150720209he had Vegeta hairline
>>150720580yeah i know it really sucksshe has some tumblrs that's where i got these fromhttps://vivziepop.tumblr.com/archivehttps://vivzportfolio.tumblr.com/also just scrounging for subpar images using image search
>>150720465This whole song alone just shows how unique and varied her character designs used to lookhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWrM-eDxTas
just wait till the Anti-Christ shows up
>>150720960Buddy, Charlie being the daughter of the Devil is by default the AntiChrist
>people draw a diverse array of body types and skin colorsFUCKING DEI WOKE GAY FAT LOVING BRAINWASHING BULLSHIT LYNCH THEM>people draw nothing but idealized figures FUCKING NO GOOD LAZY CUNT WHY IS EVERYONE HOT HAVE SOME FUCKING DIVERSITY YOU SUCK AT DRAWING LYNCH THEM You're all going on the list then in the camp
>>150720465>Old amateur sketches look more fluid and sketch-like than finished assembly line animationWhat a shock! What a surprise! Someone alert the fuckin' media it's a scandal!
>>150721067My only joy in life is watching people futilely struggle to meet a deliberately unreachable goal and complaining when they inevitably fail. It makes me feel powerful and important, and I desperately need to feel that.
>>150721067It's not that they're attractive, it's that they all just look like standard sexyman designs you could switch around. Seriously, what the fuck about "Yellow furry woman" screams "Beelzebulb the lord of flies" to you?
>>150719897no one really wants to look at ugly shit in their escapist media, troon
>>150721175>It's not that they're hot it's that they're sexyOkHave you considered you're expecting unrealistic things from a studio that is only interested in making money from mid-life crisis goths and shut in teen girls?
>>150721194Wanting everything to be "beautiful" is unironically the most tranny opinion you could possible have on fiction. There's a reason we call it tranime.
>anime never has ugly characters unless they're comedic relief>dominating media worldwide>western cartoons have nothing but ugly shit>flops
>>150721220So literally >>150721067Look up the term "idealized forms" you self-loathing faggot
People shit on her art but every time someone does re designs to fix it, it also looks like shit. I just like seeing her cute furry characters. I don't give a shit if it doesn't make sense, the shows writing is 10x worse than any character design or animation.
>>150721236As I recall Viv's stuff is somewhat popular in Japan.
>>150721263>People shit on her art but every time someone does re designs to fix itThat's because they're unsalvageable.
>>150721194Disney and Tim Burton, which are Vivzies biggest artistic influences, were also escapist media to many and had tons of ugly designs like OP said, grow a pair fag
>>150721312The Nightmare Before Christmas is not escapist media, sir ESLot.
>Beelzebub >not a fly Why a furry tho???
>>150721356NTA but what IS escapist media then? Cause right now it seems like it means whatever you want it to mean.
>>150721356Idk man dark fantasy set in some otherworldly place seems pretty escapist to me, if you’re a goth at least, and it’s clear that Hot Topic goths are Vivzies target audience.
>>150721376>>150721370Nigga no one wants to isekai into halloweentown except a handful of psychos.Pic is escapist media for women
>>150719897behold
>>150719971Than in that case they should look like shriveled up junkies rather than boysmell reeking furfags
>>150721401Nobody should want to isekai into Hell either fag, the idea of anything being escapist media is always pretty subjective depending the person.
>>150719993kesha?
>>150721236>anime never has ugly charactersOne Piece has tons of ugly designs and is one of the most popular anime series
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>>150721219It's that they're UNINSPIRED, anon. The designs are UNINSPIRED. They have absolutely nothing at all to do with what the characters are supposed to be.
>>150721460Anon vivzie's hell is a playland of endless drugs and partying
>>150719897The only character she viziepop drew ugly was herself.
Yfw she draws the four horsemen
>>150721036Confirmed Charlie hates Jesus and if her shows up in the show Charlie will battle Jesus and she will lose.
>>150721418They do.
>>150721236>anime never has ugly characters unless they're comedic reliefdivine bait
>>150721884>mfw she uses pestilence instead of famine
>>150721036Not Biblical. The Anti-Christ was never stated to have any direct blood connection to Satan.Hell, even the term "anti-Christ" is an indirect translation and the direct Greek translation is "he who will stand against the anointed one".The confirmed details we have is>male>preaches some kind of secular humanism>Likely a human who uses charisma over direct powers
>>150721407To make a good looking ugly design you have make it intentionally ugly, anon
>>150721067Anon to make a good cast of varied character designs you need to make characters like>>150720923This is what we want
>>150719897Because Vivz is an old school fujo.
>>150721194Things looking ugly is natural and has been the case before humans were even a thing, and if you want to escape reality into Hazbinland you're a fag just like Verbalase.
>>150719897If you think the pig on the top right isn't ugly there's something wrong with you
>>150723225What pig, pigga?
>>150721089>assembly line animationSoulless AF, reminder that the studio who animates the HH tv series also does the animation for adult animated slop sitcoms.
>>150721518I love how Eiichiro shows how disturbing they really are
>>150723358I don’t think Helluva is the most visually appealing cartoon ever but this is why I feel like it’ll forever look more visually appealing than Hazbin, characters move more fluidly and expressively compared to this industryshit, the looser look of Hazbins pilot will always be where Vivzie peaked animation-wise.
>>150719928still makes me laugh every time without fail
>>150719897legbeard? like a female neckbeard?
>>150721884She'll never draw Jerma, Vinny, Poke, and Ster, don't worry.
>>150719928posted it again award
>>150719897The embodiment of gluttony being a skinny girl with godlike metabolism is a fun idea and I don't care for the retards screaming that Beelzebub needed to be a fat ugly bastard fly for the 500000000th time
>>150720008Okay but these are really pushing it in terms of 'animatability'
This explains… so much.
>>150725466It's not fun, just an unintentional juxtaposition. Beelzebub is a furry that happens to represent gluttony in universe bur her design is skinny, so the whole metabolism thing is just to address anyome that may complain. She has no glutenous characteristics whatsoever, she's just a party girl.
>>150719897a better question is why do you want to see ugly characters? are you some kind of dangerhair SJW that hates pretty people?
>>150719897she did it, "god" from helluva boss.
>>150725466>The embodiment of gluttony being a skinny girl with godlike metabolism is a fun ideaAnd that'd be fine if we saw her eating all the time and burning it away in her lava lamp, but the metabolism thing is not shown at all in the show. Not even with a quick shot or anything and it wouldn't have taken any time at all to include, instead she has to state this somewhere in a patreon or whatever. Now credit where credit's due I do think portraying gluttony as empty or skinny is a solid way to go, you can portray the food vanishing or burning away but they didn't do that. Even just emphasizing her party girl theme by having her binge and purge would work, but as it is it just feels like they whiffed the execution because they didn't go in any of these directions and that's without getting into the fact that she's a foxbee for some reason. Even then I could forgive the foxbee design if her monster form was a gross fly (instead of just being Bee but bigger), you could make a point about these celebrity types being outwardly beautiful and inwardly hideous which again feels right for a demon which would absolutely try to appear deceptively innocuous. I know people often get on Viv's ass expecting her to make this super deep cartoon with lore and such (to be fair Hazbin garnered these expectations because of how long it took to go from pilot to release) but I don't think any of this is really all that complicated or 2deep4u or anything.
>>150721983Theres no show about hell thats based on the bible, because it hardly says shit about it
>>150725672Sometimes you want a character to look ugly, it's not inherently an sjw thing.
>>150724204NTA but they can post it as much as they want until you viziefags stop making endless threads of those stupid cartoons. You DO know real cartoons exist, right? Why can't you like girls or music or something? I would rather deal with edfags. Sure, Ed Edd n Eddy is an evil cartoon, but at least they're subtle about it.
>>150719897Why do you want her to draw ugly characters?
>>150725790Don't argue that hell cliches are anything "by default" then if you're aware the people writing these cartoons and movies are just making shit up.
>>150725817Oh boy, schizoposting!
>>150725822Ugly has its own appeal when done right.
>>150725843I would rather be a schizo than a viziefag.
>>150725917Yeah tell us about how EEnE is corrupting the youth Mr. Satanic Panic.
She likes Disney that's why her art is cutesy
>>150719897The problem isn’t that the characters aren’t ugly, it’s that Vivzie doesn’t understand how to convey tone. Every character and every building is drawn smooth to the point of eliminating texture. Turning every character into garbage pale kids will just create a different mess.
>>150719897some incels are just one good makeover away from becoming a beautiful twink
>>150726318Fag
>>150725822why should literal embodiment of sin be attractive outside of lust? and even then lust should be sexualized to an extreme.I'm fine with low level demons not being ridiculously exaggerated but a demon lord should not be some fucking scrawny canine furry
>>150725792yes it isugly people shouldn't exist especially in animated works too many faggots want ugly people to be put in everything
>>150725672>>150725822You guys are retards, her inspirations had tons of ugly designs in them like >>150721312A good group of character designs has tons of varied designs, with both attractive and unattractive characters.>>150726034Except Disney can fucking draw ugly characters when said ugliness was needed to fit their character.
>>150726422Man you should have to pass an IQ test to use this site, some morons like this are so dumb I wonder how they don't swallow their own tongue.
>>150726422ugliness can work, it's been in the case in animation since the beginning with stuff like Popeye, read >>150720696if you don't agree that stylistically ugly can look good when done right go the fuck to /a/ balless faggot
>>150726396Except lust is sexualized, Tumblr sexyman in suits are peak sex to Vivzies Tumblrina audience, they cream their pants over that Onceler looking shit.
Why do people hate this show? only checked out after the panty stocking musical episode went viral, and people brought this up as a derogatory insult, yet the songs in Hazbin are the least raunchy part. Did I miss the joke?
>>150726531How is that walking carpet sexy in any way?
>>150726422Shut up retarded weebfag
>>150726695Tumblr sexymanfags are brainlets who get turned on by any male characters
>>150720115Vivzie should get a Jack Skellington tattoo, all the fat chicks who act unique got one.
>>150727728you literally stole this joke from Family Guy
>>150719897She did the old man dying in the hospital in helluva boss
>>150721361She is a bee fox.>why furry.Loona has 10s of thousands fanarts.
