Name a Bugs Bunny trick, I can directly link it to an old Daffy Duck short.
>>150724383It's no secret that Bugs Bunny's popularity was built on the backs of better and funnier characters. It's why they had to keep introducing new villains because people kept seeing him as a bully and liking the villain more than him.
>>150724383>>150724391Bugs cartoons will always be better than Tom and Jerry
>>150724391>because people kept seeing him as a bully and liking the villain more than him.I wouldn't put it in such a moralistic way, but it's certain that when you KNOW a character is going to win every single time you stop giving a shit. Even when they tried to change the formula with Yosemite Sam and later Rocky, it eventually degenerated into Bugs winning every time. Knockoffs like Screwy Squirrel usually worsened in this aspect.This didn't happen with Daffy. Pre-50s Daffy Duck had an even split chance of either losing or winning.
Duck vs Rabbit season or Eagle vs Pig
>>150724503>I wouldn't put it in such a moralistic wayThat was actually the argument as to why people were getting upset that Bugs was always getting one over Elmer. He was starting to get too sympathetic so they came up with Yosemite Sam and then the same thing happened to him.
>>150724383https://youtu.be/QmP8hJxWbmg
>>150725020You can definitely see why they couldn't have the meek and mild-mannered Elmer Fudd as the main foil forever. It's also why Elmer would start to win against Bugs in later shorts.
>>150724383cross dressing
Cuck Jones ruined both Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck
>>150724383Rabbit season
>Bugs is too mean. He should just let Elmer kill him.
>>150725384You mean "pig or eagle"?https://youtu.be/4HV1Zd0I1jM
Being sexyI have never seen Daffy being sexy (even without a dress)
>>150725366>>150725573https://youtu.be/R2A4BIzfcDQ
>>150724503>Pre-50s Daffy Duck had an even split chance of either losing or winning.Even current Daffy has this. From NLT and LTC, you never know how its gonna turn out. That's why Daffy is the fucking best.
>>150725347This is one of my favorite episodes. Love watching it with the kids and their squeal of delight as Bugs gets fucked with by the animator.
>>150725554That's like an infinitely worse version of the joke, though. Rabbit Season as a gag works because the payoff is immediate. Daffy realizes he's been played for a sucker the moment he says fire, something Porky never really does here. And the joke gets elaborated on multiple times, each getting less excusable on Daffy's end.Though in a meta sense, you could view it as Daffy getting frustrated he's getting beaten by his own tricks, which only adds to Rabbut season.
https://youtu.be/cUCVjJH0Zk8https://youtu.be/55GYVwccqw8If Wabbit and (to a lesser extent) The Looney Tunes Show taught me anything is that Bugs having Screwball Daffy as a foil would be a losing battle. Having Bugs as the heel is already a breath of fresh air and having the guy he's been constantly one-upping do it brings another level of comedy to it.
>>150725635But like, the joke here is him being flirting is stupid. Same like how in Duck Dodgers the joke is Tyrahnee is attracted to Daffy even though he is not attractiveNo one wants to fuck Daffy unless it is some off-model self-insert to fuck Bugs or another character
>>150725783If there's anything Back in Action has taught me, its that Daffy is the one who carries Buggs in all those shorts.https://youtu.be/4kTRIitzhGY?si=TD886n72JlirWaYZ"What am I talking to you for? All you have to do is munch on a carrot and people love you."The harshest burn Narcissist Daffy has ever given Buggs.
>>150724383Well yeah, he borrowed a lot from the revamped trickster take on Daffy. Only difference really was that Bugs usually got away with everything more often. I guess that was supposed to be the thing to set the apart? That Bugs is better at it while Daffy would fuck up? Which often I think made Daffy more funny but whatever.
>>150725020>>150725347I feel like Marvin Martian's a truly underrated Bugs nemesis because he's like a fusion between Elmer and Sam. He's meek and soft spoken, but that's coating an amoral monster that just wants to blow things for fun.Now Bugs can go all out on him without risking audience sympathy. He's the definition of having his cake and eating it too.
>>150725783Usually these Bugs also lose a lot more too don't they?
>>150725938>Looney Tunes ShowSometimes.>Wabbit/New Looney TunesNo. Buggs wins almost every time. The only character who ever seems to beat him (cause he's not actually a villain) is Porky Pig. It's kind of a Rock, Paper, Scissors situation.Porky beats Buggs.Daffy (sometimes) beats Porky.Bugs beats Daffy.Except we don't really get any Bugs vs Daffy shorts.
>>150725783TLTS is unironically one of the worst versions of Daffy. He has all of negative qualities of Chuck Jones' version but without the inherent morality of his shorts that keeps Daffy in check. So you just end up with an reprehensible asshole that just bullies everyone around him for a half hour and gets away with it. Porky especially gets it really bad; it's all the issues Elmer/Bugs has but tuned up to 11 because Porky isn't even antagonistic. Any episode that focuses on Porky/Daffy is a miserable experience to sit through.
>>150726026Yep. We call him "Psychopath Daffy" for a reason. Gone is all his silliness and joy, like a happy man on strong anti-depressants.
>>150725908How does one feel sorry for Sam? He's a dick head
>>150725938Yes, which is why it's such a shame that Bugs and Daffy never interact in LTC.Bugs losing to Daffy is like Adrian Monk being approached by a Leper. It's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for stellar comedy.
>>150726026But Bugs gets bullied by Daffy and made to cave in if not flat out losing to him, so it is based
>>150726026>TLTS is unironically one of the worst versions of Daffy. He has all of negative qualities of Chuck Jones' version but without the inherent morality of his shorts that keeps Daffy in check.And none of the intelligence either, don't forget that.
>>150726065>How does one feel sorry for Sam? He's a dick headI think they're talking about Elmer in the "sympathy" part of that analogy.
>>150725380Chuck Jones is hated in the modern day because his more sitcom styled shtick is what everyone uses now. It stood out a lot back in the day though when damn near everything else was oversaturated with chase cartoons.
>>150726026>Porky especially gets it really bad; it's all the issues Elmer/Bugs has but tuned up to 11 because Porky isn't even antagonistic. Any episode that focuses on Porky/Daffy is a miserable experience to sit through.This is particularly funny because he tried to hunt Daffy in the latter's first few shorts.
>>150726065He's cartoonishly dickish though. Which when funny can turn around and make him likable. And when he's so outmatched it can even be endearing.
>>150726154Chuck Jones is hated in the modern day because he was a vindictive cunt in life.Pic absolutely related
>>150724383This is just crying out for that goose meme and asking "where did Daffy get the trick? WHERE DID DAFFY STEAL THE TRICK FROM?"
>>150726488Is this the Daffy/Donald scene he wrote for Roger Rabbit that the filmmakers rightly didn't want to use because it was a rehash of Bugs/Daffy stuff?
>>150726154>>150726488Literally no one hates Chuck Jones in the modern day. The fuck is with this board and autists randomly making shit up like this?
>>150724383>Name a Bugs Bunny trick, I can directly link it to an old Daffy Duck short.The one where Bugs spins a log so that the end is facing off the end of a cliff
>>150726664>In Who Framed Roger Rabbit, the two characters would have entered the stage; Donald would have gotten much applause, whilst Daffy would get crickets, as usual>Would have made infamously bad luck Donald into Bugs for this segment Goddamn either this guy hates Daffy with every course of his body or he gets off to Daffy being humiliated
>>150725903It's in part because at some point, Daffy became more of an instigator. Whenever he's the one in the wrong, he usually loses. Whenever he's technically the victim, then he often wins. Which side he's on is often a coinflip. In the majority of circumstances, Bugs wasn't the instigator. There were a few times when he was, don't get me wrong. But he's not usually the one who barges into Elmer's home to point a gun at his face. The reason people often sympathize with characters like Elmer and Sam in spite of their initial antagonism is due to their ineptitude. Even though they're the aggressors, because Bugs is often so far above them, he doesn't really feel like an underdog.A lot of cartoons later down the line did attempt to mitigate this issue. For instance, in What's Opera Doc?, it starts with Bugs running for his life trying to escape from Elmer into an opera house. The short cleanly establishes Bugs as the victim just doing whatever he can to survive. Various shorts used different methods in order to try and address the problem in other wise. The shorts in which he's going up against the Talking Wile E. Coyote depicts Wile E. as an arrogant snobbish tool. Bugs exclusively retaliates against Wile E., never acting unless he's attacked first, often turning Wile E.'s tricks and gadgets against him.
Wacky Daffy, Schmuck Daffy, Greedy Daffy, Retard Daffy
>>150726664And also because it makes no sense for Daffy to look and act like he did in the 50s when the movie takes place in 1947.Reality, however, is no match for Chuck Jones' seething hatred for a man who's been dead for 3-4 years by then.
>>150726809>Schmuck DaffyHuh?
>>150724383>I can directlyI hate to break it to you sister, but they lied to you.Daffy Duck is not real.Daffy is, in fact, imaginary. Therefore, Daffy Duck is not around to appreciate your defense of him.Therefore, Daddy Duck won't be fucking you anytime soon, sister.Let it go.
>>150726868I doubt this had anything to do with Bob Clampett. Daffy changed because "screwball" characters were out of fashion and they needed to find some new shit for him to do. Clampett got the ball rolling with "Daffy is a craven draft dodging coward" and "Daffy imagines he's a fictional hero" and then Jones and Michael Maltese ran with it, and other directors started imitating their Daffy when they heard the reactions from theatres.What happened then of course is that Daffy got permanently frozen as the bitter loser jealous of Bugs, and everyone making Roger Rabbit was even more bored of that version as the original team was with the wacky version.In the end it's just that Jones was old and had nothing new to say about the characters, which is not unusual. There wasn't much new to say about any of them after 1963 or so.
>>150724383>Cartoon writers are lazy hacks who reuse jokes across characters Thanks for ruining Termite Terrace.
>>150726904I hate to break it to you sister, but they lied to you.Chuck Jones is not alive.Chuck is, in fact, dead.Therefore, Chuck Jones is not around to appreciate your defense of him.Therefore, Daddy Chuck won't be fucking you anytime soon, sister.Let it go.
>>150726945Chuck wanted to fuck Bugs so bad lol
>>150726936>Clampett got the ball rolling with "Daffy is a craven draft dodging coward" and "Daffy imagines he's a fictional hero" and then Jones and Michael Maltese ran with it, and other directors started imitating their Daffy when they heard the reactions from theatres.But that's boring and doesn't account for the Bugs Bunny Roadrunner Movie wall.Also if Clampett created this version of Daffy, wouldn't that make Charles a hypocrite? His main gripe with Clampett is that he claimed he created Bugs Bunny. Yet he went around claiming he created "asshole loser daffy".
Clampett Daffy is an egoistJones Daffy is a nihilist
>>150726987I'm not defending Jones for the Bugs Bunny/Roadrunner snub, but the thing about Clampett claiming credit was that Clampett, at the time, was far better known than Jones or Tex Avery because of the Beany franchise that name-dropped him in the theme song. The most famous person associated with the franchise trying to claim credit over his less famous colleagues was probably not a very pleasant sight, and Jones was pissed off and so was Avery. Jones took it too far and made himself look like a petty asshole in the process.
>>150726751Daffy primarily works as an underdog, even in screwball form. The moment you take that out you end up with a deeply unpleasant character, like with >>150726026. Chuck Jones understood this, but didn't realize that what makes Donald/Daffy work is that they're BOTH underdogs scrambling towards third place.
>>150726987Technically the creator of asshole loser Daffy is Friz Freleng for doing that cartoon where Daffy tries to get Porky to leave so he can take over as the star of Looney Tunes.
>>150727275So technically Chuck was fucking Friz over by taking full credit.
>>150726969Can you blame him?
>>150727729That was made the year after he died.Bugs in drag pre-BIA looked like a trashy whore.
>>150726488Context?
>>150725635right I mean you've answered "cross dressing" incorrectly here because a) Daffy isn't cross dressing, he's just removing his feathers (and underneath he's wearing boxers and lacks developed breasts), so you're really hoping those eyelashes will convince me (but they don't)and b) this is from The Wise Quacking Duck (released May 1, 1943), which came out more than a year after Bugs first cross-dressed in The Wabbit Who Came To Supper (March 28, 1942), 10 months after Bugs cross-dressed (with makeup!) in Bugs Bunny Gets the Boid (July 4, 1942) and 1 month after Bugs cross-dressed in Super-Rabbit (as Little Bo Peep, for which he was formally inducted into the US Marines as a private) (April 3, 1943)you're a liar, OPa liar
>>150727819And your mother still rots in hell.
>>150724503>but it's certain that when you KNOW a character is going to win every single time you stop giving a shitRoadrunner cartoons ecists to debunk that notion entirely. We know Wile's never going to win, what makes the cartoons work is how he's going to lose.
>>150727835aww, did the fat little man get his cartoon facts wrong? must hurt to be such a bitch
>>150727860The only bitch here is your mom aunt
Yeah sbd Elmer fudd is litterally a racist caricature in white face.
>>150728274Elmer isn't based on the Stephen Fetchitt hunter. The Stephen Fetchitt hunter is based on Elmer. Elmer is based on a previous character called Egghead.Doesn't matter how many "literallies" you add to that. Each one of these posts is another minute you could spend keeping your drool in your mouth.
>>150726026https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB2LABUc8sg
>>150724383Having sex with human men.
>>150726945
>>150726945>Daddy Chuck won't be fucking you anytime soonEven if he were alive he'd want to fuck Bugs.
>>150724503Same applies to pre-Jones Bugs, like the Tortoise short and sequel (Avery and Clampett), or Falling Hare.>>150726709It's an amplification of criticism John K gave his shorts, comparing to Clampett's. Of course since then, the opinion's been parroted on Twitter and everything on Twitter becomes a good vs. evil.
>>150730130Of fucking course it's some John K autism, it ALWAYS comes back to goddamn John K autism with this board. I should've known.What is WITH that guy that attracts such terminal losers that parrot whatever he says?
>>150730188I think K's critiques were interesting and gives the redeemable autists something to ponder, (in this case stories that come out of characters vs. a God granting Bugs immunity or dooming the Coyote punitively) but sadly they're vastly outnumbered by the irredeemable autists who just want to look smart.
