What’s your gold standard for animation? Well-animated cartoons that have Disney-quality animation and move more groundedly or well-animated cartoons that push reality and embrace the principle of exaggeration?
Both are good
I just know this image only exists because Spongebob fans fail to understand that normies don't enjoy the new episodes because they're not funny. For all I know they do like wacky cartoons, and I've seen a lot of appreciation for the latest Mickey Mouse and Looney Tunes projects.
>>150733647>"If you animate something realistically you might as well do it with live action.">Live Action films: Human face on top of CG animated body on a CG background
>>150733647Wacky, hands down, the Disney calarts style has basically evolved into generic ass animated films with generic ass artstyles whereas wacky stuff translated to 3D is cool shit like Hotel Transylvania
>>150733647You forgot "The Wraith Animating With Rigs"
what a dogshit thread. Animate the way you want the audience to feel. If it's a comedy, bottom works best. Drama and tension are better for top.This isn't even a debate, is OP a bot?
>>150733951Based, wacky cartoons are too scarce these days cause everyone prefers loreshit
>>150733647bottom looks like garbage, and these wacky enthusiasts never give any reason as to why they're so good besides that it's oh so better than "loreshit" and "calarts"
>>150733647Gotta admit that top image stings. Even top tier western animation is kiddie shit at the end of the day
Anime
>nu spongebob>nu looney tunesOpinion discarded and OP's a faggot for posting thicc daffy
>>150733762I don't know why they lash out so aggressively at other forms of animation. It's like if a cape comic fan got mad at people reading comics for reasons that aren't to read superhero stories of if a video game fan got mad at people for not playing 3d platformers
>>150734313Exaggeration is one of the twelve principles of animation and there have been tons of classic cartoons with expressions and movements on the same level that embrace doing stuff you can’t do in reality, all the classics like all those Fleischer cartoons and Bob Clampett Looney Tunes shorts, it’s called embracing tradition, fag.
>>150733711Aren’t TDTEBU and Fixed basically a combination of both? IIRC you got some former Disney animators working on them and those films both managed to have tons of expressive and exaggerated movements.
>tfw wackyfag can't even strawman right
>>150734406Do you want all cartoons to look like shitty calarts shit? You don’t realize how little wacky toons are made these days.
>>150735454No modern cartoons look like Treasure Planet or Road To Eldorado.
The real question is:Who’s the best modern animator that can animate in the wacky style? James Baxter is arguably the best and most talented modern animator to animate in that Disney style, but I’m talking exaggerated.For me I feel like it’s David Feiss, that full pilot for Cow & Chicken was animated entirely by himself and he can make some great boards and animations very quickly, that kind of shit requires talent
>>150734406>if a video game fan got mad at people for not playing 3d platformersMany of us Spumtwitter users like more than just wacky cartoons, we can have interests some other forms like anime and stop motion, and a couple of writer shows here and there, we gotta keep in mind that John K was surprisingly a fan of Mike Judge.We strive to not have modern cartoons be lame shit like beanmouth, Family Guy ripoffs, or generic Disney shit, but that’s all we get these days cause of how executive controlled everything is. Imagine if all videos games had shitty Xbox 360 level graphics, cause that’s what a beanmouth ridden animation industry feels like
>>150734341Shut up weebtroon
>>150736639Shut up beantroon
>>150734442How is the top not exaggerated, retard?
>>150737228Nibba their movements are barely exaggerated at all, yes, Disney acting does have moments of exaggeration particularly on certain types of characters but none of the main ones, this caused them to garner a reputation of having movements be on-model and caused people to replicate their pale replication of classic Disney. All Disney Renaissance films had visible exaggeration but after that it was all downhill from there. Their 3D films are basically the 3D equivalent to lame Disney acting and they hardly have any exaggeration at all compared to 3D films like Hotel Transylvania and Cloudy which know how to stretch the medium.Honestly this is why I like Hercules and why it’s my favorite Disney Renaissance film visually, it’s a film that subverts the Disney style and has plenty of exaggerated movements, pushed expressions, and even some wild takes.
>>150736639You really don't need to be a weeb or a troon to see the stark difference between stuff like Akira or Gundam and any "mature" American animation
Stupid thread, Spumcofags are tards and people who hate on shit for being too expressive or "overanimated" are also tards, both styles can look good, Richard Williams was one of the best animators and his work looked both Disney and Looney Tunes
>>150733647>Pale attempt at replicating classic Disney>Embraces cartoon tradition
>>150737452There are good attempts at replicating classic Disney, John Ks blog goes over the issues with the Disney Renaissance style, as shit of a person as he was I find his blog to be a great source of learning art and animation https://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2008/12/disney-principles-appeal-1.html?m=1https://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2007/06/disney-gets-almost-specific.html?m=1https://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2008/12/disney-principles-staging-clarity.html?m=1
>>150737403If spumheads and weebfags can agree on one thing, beanmouth shows get the rope.
>>150733647op is into daffy's big ass
>>150733647Both are overrated. All that matters is the script and making sure that the animation doesn't look like complete choppy shit. If the animation overtakes the plot you're doing too much. Mostly the case these days.
>>150738955>a visual medium putting effort into the visuals is overratedI’m not even gonna explain why this take is retarded>If the animation overtakes the plot you're doing too much. Mostly the case these days.Wow you really are fucking retarded, right now all modern kids shows are cheap looking beanmouth shows and all adult shows are cheap looking Family Guy ripoffs, they all put effort into their writing over their cheap ass artstyles, you got what you wanted fag, all cartoons look visually bland as fuck.Writing is important but so is art, style is just as important as substance in animation.
>>150738955kys writerfag
>>150738955This is why 4Chan users need IQ checks before entering the site.
>>150739417Shut up spumguzzler
>>150739565You don’t have to be a spumcofag to know that a cartoons visuals are important, retard
>>150739899Sorry, I thought you were one but after rereading the post I realized he was a fag
>>150733647I like all those movies up top though. Haven't seen any of that shit on the bottom.
>>150733711>>150737436This, why can’t we all just be friends?
I’m surprised Guy/Lovecraft’s Cat never showed up to this thread
>>150740789ren would beat the shit out of steven while calling him a stupid eediot
>>150733647>Muh Disney schoolRetard, nowadays this shit doesn't exist, all you get is nu-Calarts SU garbage. I agree it's kinda bad, not because off-model is better or whatever (that's just fucking stupid) but because it's so literally edgy and kinda weird in how they make the models. It lacks the charm of classic Disney, Renaissance Disney or even more modern Disney products that still were good like Emperor's New Groove>Muh WaCkYOnly show that did this well was Ren & Stimpy and John K, apart from being a total degenerate was an autistic manchild who wasted tons of hours and money as well as abused his staff for cartoons that slowly became more and more unbearable to watch until they became shit like Cans Without Labels or that one Simpsons intro. Nu-Spongebob is so fucking unfunny I'd laugh more banging my head into my desk. Looney Tunes and Mickey haven't been good or funny in DECADES. "Cool cartoons with violence" is just retarded. actual violence that isn't slapstick isn't cool, it's edgy crap that appeals to mindless teens>>150733762Large majority of Spongefags nowadays are against nu-Spongebob. Most of the people for it are children who like skibidi toilet and shit like that>>150734067Adult cartoons are the literal scourge of animation and I hate anyone involved with them
>>150734442Exaggeration is good when done sparingly in contrast to the rest of normal animation. Nu-Spongebob sucks ass for instance because the entire fucking episode is just Spongebob and the rest of the cast doing stupid fucking faces with the occasional Ren & Stimpy gross-up shot and nostalgia baiting and that's it.
>>150733647Why the superiority hate?
>>150742937I feel like the last thing to capture the feel of Renaissance Disney’s animation well was that Netflix film Klaus
>>150742992>Exaggeration is good when done sparingly in contrast to the rest of normal animationCan't really agree nor disagree with you on that, Ren & Stimpy looked insane in every moment and managed to be brilliant, modern SpongeBob is style over substance and barely even that funny. I do feel that we should follow the principles of animation but to say we can't stylize our cartoons and bend the medium with extreme exaggeration doesn't feel true at all.
>>150743682Stfu
>>150745359https://youtu.be/u969fbZVSvE?si=wW8AUowfUOuFf6B4&t=239
>>150733647Who made this pic, Reddit?
Is this the "LE ANIMANIACS ARE THE KEY TO EVERYTHING!" mongoloid or there's another one?
>>150747520You can tell it’s not made by Reddit cause it’s an actual based opinion not parroted from some eceleb
>>150747545There is another one.>it’s an actual based opinioneven your baits are pathetic
>>150733711First post based post buddy
>>150747720>liking funly animated cartoonist-driven cartoons isn’t basedSounds to me like you’re the Redditor bud, go back to watching your calarts loreshit cartoons
