So now that Black Dawn is apparently being made, is this going to be yet another "testing the waters" for interest? The Legion of Super-Heroes doesn't really need to have interest gauged, just make a good book. It's that simple.
>Okay, so we have this character who has a history of being criticized for being stereotypical in her design. >Let's make her even MORE stereotypical! The hell were they thinking?
I hate how legitimately fantastic Millennium's cover is. It promises so much, but doesn't deliver. Shame.
>So now that Black Dawn is apparently being made, is this going to be yet another "testing the waters" for interest?So what's OP talking about here?Any attempt at a Legion reboot should NOT be mired in any old continuity, especially not 5YL as much as I love it, and should just be space adventures. >>150738216As much as I love Dawny I'd be ok just combining her with Shikari to avoid that shit
>>150739478>As much as I love Dawny I'd be ok just combining her with Shikari to avoid that shitI think the stereotypical elements could work if she was an alien adopted by the humans of Starhaven. You could have it so she's playing it up because she's trying too hard to fit in with her adopted culture.
>>150737584Do you have a model sheet or turnaround of this wazzo?
>>150739616Good news and bad news. The good is those exist, the bad is the best we've got is this.
I don't get how DC keeps failing to just make an episodic ongoing where the Legion goes on planet hopping adventures.
>>150739929Thank you friend
Bendisboot had some interesting ideas, but with bafflingly bad execution. Bringing back New Earth for example. Neat, but nothing is done with it.
>>150739478DC is bringing the back a lot of old school writers to do "lost stories" as minis that they were not allowed to do during their original runs. Rick Veitch is getting to do his Swamp Thing finale, Steve Englehart is getting to do Dark Detective 3, Christopher Priest is getting to do his Malvolio story from his Green Lantern run, and Mark Waid and Tom Peyer are finally telling the story of Black Dawn through the lens of Wildfire since, as Waid intended, it was supposed to end with the character's irrevocable deathDue to Waid's hate boner for poor old Drake.
>>150739478Shikari is garbage. Basically bug girl lady ginp garbage character. One of the MANY reasons the DnA Legion run is pure dog shit...
>>150739616
>>150740869>through the lens of Wildfire since,That's cool>as Waid intended, it was supposed to end with the character's irrevocable deathGod fucking dammitman i'm gonna be so pissed if Wildfire isn't on the Legion when they're back now, thanks for making me start worrying about that.Man was Johns the only fan of like the post Silver Age Legionarries
>>150741253Really, slop? This is the best you can do?
>>150738216I am fond of Dawnstar
>>150741304>>150740869or guy deserved better
>>150737584I know at least it's impossible to collect the silver age stuff completely at this point but what can be & what's worthwhile to buy right now? I know DC Finest has a Legion book release that's got some overlap with the 3rd silver age collection book at least but there's still no announcements of a continuation.
>>150743555
>>150742169There's a deluxe edition for both the Curse and Great Darkness. I'd get those. I think you can still find one of the Before the Great Darkness deluxes but fuck me do I wish I got on the other one and the two superboy volumes sooner. really hoping they get more finests out soon.
>>150743662More Finests & the Silver Age omnis getting paperback releases would be great. I got the first one at a half price books lucky enough. But I just don't know if DC even considers them worthwhile.
Anytime someone says their teams get the short end of the stuck I just remember what it's like to be a legion fag and laugh. then cry a bit.
>>150743785Yep. And quite frankly, L.E.G.I.O.N somehow has it worse. You now remember that No Justice happened.
>>150742169While the Silver Age omnis are OOP (and V2 impossible to find), the Archives that cover the Silver Age era are still available on Ebay used for around cover price with only one of them (the one with Mordru and the Legion of the Super Villains introduction arcs) going for big bucks. And even then, the Showcase Presents volumes are also available cheap and they cover everything but the last two Archives give or take along with the sole softcover Silver Age volume that was released after Silver Age Omnibus V1 came out. But yeah, this year has been kind of shitty if you want new trades, outside of the DC's Finest volume. Everything has been re-releases (the 5YL omnis, Curse and Great Darkness Saga HCs plus the original non-expanded Great Darkness Saga softcover). The only good thing about that it is that it gives me hope Before the Darkness V1 and 2 might get re-released as HCs since I was out of work when the first one came out and even though the Legion stories included are widely hated, it sold out immediately.
>>150744121Didn't DC rush out a gratuitous one off during Death Metal to undo the character assassination Vril got in No Justice due to the backlash?
>>150739478I'd be OK with DC redoing the 5YL run with the shit Giffen wanted to do but got fucked over doing because of Waid's vendetta against the Superman office getting the rights to use Superman in Legion lore revoked. None of the Glorith/Valor shit, though I'd make exceptions for them keeping Andromeda around as a new character and coming up with some bullshit way to work Wildfire into the story, since his death was always a huge fatal flaw in the 5YL run that I can never forgive.
>>150744153Did they? All I know is that the team had a quick cameo in either one of the Superman books or Morrison's GL book. Honestly can't quite recall.
>>150737584Wednesday is over now. Big Sad.
Reminder.
>>150737584I didn't realize she was Finnish.
>>150737584I have a theory. Could Ace be Linnya Wazzo? & If she is then would it make her Wazzo's ancestor?If anyone read the Terrifics comics you'd noticed the similarities
>>150747143Well she can't be an ancestor for obvious reasons. Ancestor implies direct lineage.
The cartoon had Lurnu's best design, period.
>>150744121I honestly really miss this team
>>150747504Same.
>>150747469I'm a Triad (no cape) guy
>>150744148I like this. Where does this come again?
>>150747978Why is Lobo there?
>>150748355Because...because?... Because!
Reminder that Luornu is canonically a chubby chaser.
>>150747469> your girlfriend is also three girlfriends
>>150748355They hired him. He's a mercenary and he's basically unkillable.
>>150749310Does the series take advantage of that by putting him in dangerous situations?
>>150744672Vril had a cameo in that Brainiac Queen arc but didn’t do much and also LEGION got a mention in the recent History of the DCU. There are clearly fans at DC of it. Maybe Lobo in the Supergirl movie will cause some reprints to happen
>>150747461True, but DC can retcon stuff, & they could canonize Ace as being an ancestor of Wazzo Wednesday considering Linnya's design baring similarities to Ace
>>150747469I like those boots. VERY MUCH.
wow
>>150749301How does he do it?
>>150749392>they could canonize Ace as being an ancestor of Wazzo Wednesday considering Linnya's design baring similarities to AceAce and Linnya are sisters. Easy fix.
>>150749301Why does scene this come off as vaguely sinister? W-what is she going to do to him?
>>150751632She hella hungry
>>150752852
>>150737584Where's the webm where she's making funny faces.
>>150754694>webmThis is the age of mp4!
Bald.
>>150747504Seems easy enough to work into other comics even if DC doesn't want to give them an ongoing. Basically any hero that can go into space could run into them.
>>150755119https://youtu.be/QK-J04XZT0s?si=4r0NTjYrx85AlpGR&t=6
>>150749392>Wazzo WednesdayAh yes, my favorite Addams family member.
>>150740869Wonder if Tom Peyer will ever get to dust off the written, drawn, but shelved Bumblebee story that was done for the 90s Titans series. It seems there were a few "banked" stories for that run that were held back, but whether or not they still exist is unknown.
>>150747143Ace was a human, Linnya is a Bgztlian, there's no connection between those characters besides wearing similar colors and haircut.
>>150755119>Alexis has a huge complex about catching those Luthor bald genes>tfw she totally rocks the chrome dome
>>150737584WAZZO!
Literally why with this though?
>>150759530Because it's different so that must mean it's good. Man the Legion got like 3-4 reboots in just the post Flashpoint continuity.
Shadow the Superman.
They really do have a weird hang up about trying to make Tinya a different color.
>>150761291At least this one was cute. Too bad the show is bad.
>>150744121Gimme a DC digest
>>150737584>Adult Legion of Middle Aged Heroes (guest staring Superman)-Geoff Johns-Gary Frank>Legion Academy (featuring little kid Jon Kent-Peter Tomasi -Todd Nauck>L.E.G.I.O.N-Robbie morrison-Henry Flint
>>150749301Mark got faaaaaaaat
>>150761366I swear everything about the tomorrowverse just look drab as hell
>>150757626I realized my error. Good stuff thoughCan you do Ace in the Linnya Wazzo outfit? Or if possible just alter the patterns on Ace's leotard outfit to match the ones Linnya Wazzo wears. Including the headwear
>>150762290I love these edits.
Making Tinya blue is especially weird because we already have a blue Legionnaire gal. Like, I guess both Talokians and Bgztlians have copper based blood. Which in the latter's case is confusing considering Bgztl occupies the same space as Earth. Sure, different planets,but still.
>>150762290Ewwww
Zoe a cute. CUTE!
Bendisboot Dani is confusing. So like, if she's the original Computo created by Brainy, is she also still Jacques' sister? I feel like there's a way more interesting story here that isn't being told.
>>150771214We need her back to greatness
>>150771455Agreed. Sim chance of that though. For some reason, the characters introduced in the Post-Zero Hour incarnation get no respect.
>>150771271Better to not think about Bendisboot or anything post Flashpoint.
I wish Dream Girl got more episodes
>>150774454Oh don't we all. You'd think they'd be happy to play up the "smarter than she looks" angle, since it's kinda Nura's whole thing. I dunno, maybe they thought her power was too broken to use regularly.
Anyone pissed that Ron Marz used a generic evergreen version of the Fatal Five instead of the updated version that formed in Legionnaires?Cera, the Legion reject turned host and meat puppet for the Emerald Eye and the reveal that there are two Emerald Eyes was something cool and interesting and I wish we could have gotten more of. Not to mention the dynamic of Mano as a seen it all thug for higher.
>>150740869I just got finished reading V3 (scored a near complete run from my local comic shop's dollar bin) and was wondering, is there a synopsis of what fucking happened during the five year gap that one could read so they know what to expect before reading the TMK run for the first time?
>>150775172Cera was an interesting idea, but the Legionnaires straight up bullying her was so wildly out of character. And as far as I can tell, that wasn't the Eye making her delusional. It would be nice to see a better execution of a second Fatal Five.
>>150775179The gist of what you need to know:Following the Magic Wars, Earth elects a Margaret Thatcher type politician Earthgov President. But she's in league with the Dominators, who want to conquer Earth on the downlow. Not-Thatcher is anti-Legion and starts stirring shit up against them, as Earth and pretty much the entire United Planets got wrecked by the Magic Wars turning off just about all technology for several months. Garth and Imra's kid who was Validus turns out to have a disease that kills everyone who is of his parents species and has to be put in a containment suit/sent to live in a medical space station where the Legion meet Kent Shakespeare, who basically is a replacement for the dead Mon-El for the team. Laura Grand, a descendant of Mon-El and who Brainiac 5 once loved, marries Rond Vidar and has his child. Khunds start invading planets and declaring war on the weakened United Planets. Duo Damsel and Bouncing Boy take the Legion Academy kids and form a militia to protect worlds that are being invaded. White Witch marries Mordru and restores his full power so he can protect the newly colonized Sorcerer's World 2.0 from the Khunds. Mordru becomes king of the planet and evil again, turns the midget sorcerer Khund who is Mysa's best friend into a soulless vampire with no face, and starts to physically and emotionally beat Mysa until he's pretty much broken her into being a helpless wreck. Adding to this, Mordru imprisons and tortures Rond Vidar when Mysa calls him to help her escape the marriage.
>>150775287Obscure Silver Age Legion villain Glorith returns, kills every Daxam except for Laura Grand and murders Phantom Girl to fuck with Ultra Boy, after finding out that he sicced Mordru on her butt so that he would do the Legion's dirty work and kill her for them. Shrinking Violet's people declare war on Cosmic Boy's people and both get drafted by their planet to join their army. Things ultimately come to a head when Vi's people launch an attack on Cosmic Boy's people at Venado Bay and unleash a new weapon that permanently strips a huge number of Cosmic Boy's people of their magnetic power, Cosmic Boy included. Allowing Vi's people to slaughter the opposing army. During the brawl however, Vi turns traitor in order to save Cosmic Boy from being slaughtered in the carnage and to get him back to his army's headquarters in order to save his life and give them the information needed to destroy the power erasing machine. The war goes stalemate due to the backlash against Vi's people and Vi is arrested and put into prison by her people for her treason. Legion members start leaving the team during this period and others join; most notably a new Reflecto and would be villain Echo and Sun Boy becomes Legion leader. Earthgov and the Legion are on very bad terms and then Black Dawn happens.There are two versions of Black Dawn, the Beirbaum's version has it as a big showdown between the Legion and the Legion of the Super-Villains led by Molecule Master. Timber Wolf gets exposed to radiation and turns into a mute beast creature, Reflecto dies fighting Molecule Master, and Wildfire dies at the height of the affair, an unstated and horrific death.
>>150775132I liked the show but I do wish they'd taken time to explore a lot more of the legionaries. You'd think at least some of the popular ones would get a stand out episode or two. I think Dawnstar got a cameo?
>>150775295Tom Peyer however, who's version saw print in the comic, instead had Earthgov take out a loan from mob boss Starfinger and when they tried to reneg on the deal, Dr Regulas shows up for Starfinger to snuff out the sun and destroy Earth. Timber Wolf gets exposed to radiation, Wildfire kills Regulas, and has to merge with the sun to keep it from going out ala Superman in All Star Superman. After Black Dawn, the Legion are banned from Earth and pretty much collapse as Sun Boy breaks down due to everyone hating him and the Legion. Dirk disbands the Legion and goes to work for Earthgov as a spokesman, Polar Boy gets thrown into prison, Cham goes off to run his dad RJ Brande's company when he goes on walkabout, Ultra Boy takes on a protege called Kono who has the same powers as Phantom Girl, and the Dominators basically successfully take over Earth without firing a single shot. >>150775285The bullying made sense only in the sense that it was standard operating procedure from Tom and Mary Beirbaum. Both DESPISED Lightning Lad and Sun Boy, the later because of a single Silver Age story where he gets space madness and the former because they were dead fucking set on forcing their crack 'ship of SW6 Saturn Girl/SW6 Cosmic Boy as a couple down everyone's throats and were dead set on destroying SW6 Lightning Lad and turning him into a monster to justify Imra leaving him for Rok. And that this sadly fucking carried over for the entire length of the Archie Legion reboot and didn't end up the Threeboot squashed the entire thing once and for all.
>>150775306The issue here is that animation is expensive, and it saves money to keep a consistent core cast. But this kinda rubs up against one of the main appeals of LoSH, which is the large cast. You could anthologize it, but people have been brainwashed into believing that anthologies are dead and totally non-viable for some reason.
>>150775347I think JLU did it nicely but it was also hot after two seasons of Justice League proper so it's probably not a fair comparison. Perhaps a potential third season could have gotten more experimental.
>>150775321Why is it ALWAYS shipping crap? Every single time. Also, to be fair, in Archie Legion the pairing was a part of Imra's Jean Grey plot. It was supposed to be weird and out of nowhere. Although that storyline wasn't well liked, and writers avoided having her do shit like that from then on. ... Until Bendis, that is. God fucking dammit.
>>150741304Bendis liked Wildfire too. Which is funny, as Bendis's biggest online critic (Jesse Baker) was a HUGE god-damn Wildfire stan, to the point he had a running bit on the Warren Ellis Forum, always complaining that Brainiac 5 should have build him a mechanical penis into his containment suit and defending the god-awful Quislet because "he was the only one that actually tried to help Drake regain his humanity". A lot of people fully expected Bendis to shit all over Drake to clown on Baker, but all he really did was make Drake give a cuck open borders speech in the issue of Legion where Drake got the first page to introduce himself to readers.
So what's the deal with Legion reboot wise? I read a decent bit of the post crisis stuff but there's all this Threeboot, Nu52, etc stuff. What's the TL:DR
I really like the Legion Cruiser design from the cartoon.
Sneckie is best Jeckie.
>>150775425First reboot is after Zero Hour shenanigans. Threeboot is New Earth/Post Crisis continuity. Retroboot is going back to the Legion before Five Years Later in the original continuity. Establishing the 3 timelines exist alongside each other.New 52 Legion has continuity of the Pre-Zero Hour Retroboot original versions but it's implied they aren't the same versions but exist in future of the New 52 Earth 2. Then Doomsday Clock happened & partially erased them from continuity? But also didn't because show up in the JSA book years later? Anyway that's when we get Bendisboot Legion no one likes because they're all ugly & only exist to fellate Bendis's aged up Jon.
Joshua Williamson is writing, no date yet, just tweeted.Honestly not a huge surprise after their cameo in his Green Arrow. I like Williamson lately and especially when he’s passionate about a book so I’m ok so far
>>150748311Darkseid's Absolute Legion>>150779797Oh boy, here we go again, hope they don't fuck it up this time.
>>150779797Another line rebrand already?
>>150780165They can't be DC All In forever.
>>150779797>it's still the Bendis versionEw. He's not even at DC anymore. Drop this shit.
Now's probably a good time to remind everyone of Salu's terrible current design that makes her look like a bootleg Storm.
>>150780404But they don't need to constantly rebrand if it means nothing.
>>150780454>it's the Bendis versionWe don't know that for sure, specially knowing how Williamson is using the classic version as the main one in Superman.Knowing him, we'll probably see that with some additions from the other versions.
>>150780743They get new books and creative teams, it's just a marketing thing, that's what it means.
>>150781535That panel of Dawny hugging Clark is the most hope I've felt for a Legion thing in ages. I HATE how DC keeps trying to phase them out of the Superman mythos. >KinetixOh shit, Zoe! Okay, nice to see the 90s members get some love.
>>150780493>makes her look like a bootleg Storm.Which is a funny kind of ironic
>>150781775I was gonna say, considering multiple X-Men characters got their designs from LoSH.
>>150781655Williamson had been teasing them hard in Superman so I think that connection will stay. Wonder if we’ll see a Superboy team up in Action Comics since that seems like it’s his book for a bit.
>>150781870>Williamson had been teasing them hard in Superman so I think that connection will stay.Good. Here's hoping we get another wholesome scene of them hanging out at his house.
>WilliamsonOh. well he's pretty far from the worst writer right now. This could end up being fairly competent.
Toon Lydda a cute. CUTE!
Do you think it would be possible to being back everyone's racist friend Laurel in the current era?
>>150782671She'd need to be cancelled and have severe correction.Or they'd make her a self-hating brown girl.
>>150783116>She'd need to be cancelled and have severe correction.Honestly, "Andromeda Gets Cancelled" sounds like it would be a legitimately fun and compelling story.
>>150782671>>150783410I like her lack of pants
>>150784338I like her stacy strut.
>>150782671If they bring her back it would be the slutty single mom hippie chick OG Laurel folron the TMK run not the SW6 or Archie version
>>150780493Who in Bendisboot didn't have a terrible design?>>150780454Please no more, design alone it's not pleasing, but writing wise? That was the most boring shit I've read, it's not good enough to be mediocre.
>>150785820I must stress to high heaven how utterly baffling it is that DC somehow can't make a straightforward space opera series with an IP that was doing Star Trek eight years before Star Trek. Making the Legion of Super-Heroes -boring- means you shouldn't get to be a writer anymore.
>>150737584I liked Archie Legion
>>150786142I mean, it’s not like the cosmic side of DC is that good, they nit knowing what to do with them is not a surprise
>>150786290So did I. It's my favorite incarnation, in fact. I will never understand the flak it seems to get.
>>150786543I mean, you're not wrong. They also somehow manage to constantly fuck up Green Lantern by refusing to just have it be a police procedural.
>>150737584Do team books even do the "small sub group goes on its own adventure" while "another small group goes on a different adventure" and "lets put some soap opera stuff in the middle"or is everything some huge world ending event where every character has to appear/??
>>150781547That's gay.
>>150761291I love this version a lot
I'm a super hero
>>150786555Ruined several characters out of spite Explicitly ignored a lot of classic Legion villains The entire first year and a half of DnA's run basically driving away readers with such speed that Legion World (which was them going into full on damage control) can't ever get reprinted because Legion of the Damned, Widening Rifts, and Legion Lost was THAT fucking God awful
>>150737584I can't wait for Wednesday, soon enough, bros!
>>150787415No, Ayla and Salu are gay.
>>150755988Cute
>>150795805>>150796096Have more Wednesday
>>150747469Second best
>tfw no tiny goth gf
>>150794823>>150796951You'd think they'd have found a cure by the 31st century.
Actually, peaking of romance, am I the only one who finds the Dawny/Drake drama a little forced? I like them as a couple, but the primary conflict of their relationship is kinda stupid. You're telling me that in this world of VR simulation, synthetic bodies, and MAGIC, these two can't figure out a way to fuck? Yeah, I don't buy it. This is the 31st century of the DC universe. They have options.
>>150786290>>150786555How many books did you read about them?
>>150793565Imperiex > Darkseid.
>>150801603Darkseid has just gotten so overplayed.
>>150804354Sneckie!
>>150804563
>>150804626Sneckie best Jeckie. She's so cute!
>>150805516Does snek have puss puss?
>>150807460Sometimess a puss-puss sometimes a clo-clo.
>>150809523I am conflicted.
>>150809733You asked for snek you get snek, plus benefits, darn it!
>>150810976Maybe I like consistency & not cloacas!
>>150797630Dawnstar and Wildfire basically are a reverse gender prototype for Rogue and Gambit. And the few times Drake got his body back came with major monkey paw terms and conditions
>>150811425What embarrassing fetish does Clark have he's suppressed while living in conservative small town Kansas?
>>150812443Fish
>>150798997Probably most of them. Legion was a big 25cent bin comic at my local store when I was a kid so I’d always grab a bunch of them
>>150782671No, but one can dream
>>150816193I miss Laurel. Her being tsun tsun for her filthy xeno friends was adorable.
Give me the Wazzo
>>150817616You have your Wazzo, sir!
Anybody have the 'MY BRAND' image?
>Whoops, did I break in without knocking first?
Waiting on my copies of DC Finest & The Great Darkness deluxe to come in tomorrow.
>>150820636You should get the curse too. really hoping they follow forward somehow.
>>150812443
>>150823351That'll be next.
>>150823402Black kryptonite....
>>150737584Why is she white though?
>>150827031Anon you can't just ask people why they're white.
>>150827031>>150827384She sometimes is blue
>>150827755Occasionally
>>150827755Just the one time.
>>150830264Too 10 year old snotty kids tier.
>>150830264I wish their costumes looking like spacesuits was the norm. It would lend a more overt space opera feel to things. Plus, the transparent plastic wraps never made any sense to me.
>>150831378All the people lusting for Phantom Mom don't know how much of an asshole Winema was in the comics.
>>150831458>As if knowing would change lusting
>>150831458To be fair... evil women are attractive.
>>150834256I'd say "No, you can't fix her.", but as I recall, she did eventually chill the hell out. >>150834320Not even evil, just a huge jerk.
>>150834462Bitchy women have an appeal too.
>>150834828Fair enough.
>>150834863Do you think her hair horns can be used as handlebars?
Bump
How do i read legion of super heroes>Inb4 you don't>Inb4 you watch the cartoon
>>150836066You can get the paperback for the first silver age collection volume on amazon for 30 bucks. Second one is out of print hardcover only right now. 3rd one is still available but only hardcover. Has some overlap with the DC Finest release. You can get The Great Darkness & The Curse in hardcover on amazon as well. Two volumes prior exist but only the second is still in print or available on amazon. So most reading will be online at the usual place.
