Doug Walker once said that the three great voice acting performances of Western Animated movies were Robin Williams as Genie, James Woods as Hades, and Vincent Price as Rattigan, saying that these performances were inseparable from the animations of their characters and truly embodying them in a way few performances can.Do you agree with him? What are some other voice acting performances in Western media that is the cream of the crop? Not just good or great, but genuinely elevating and unreplicatable?
Genie was annoying.
>>150745754No he wasn't. That happened when he kept showing up in shit everywhere.
>>150745754Fpwp
>>150745754I really wonder, would, for example, a kid from today who wouldn't get many of the pop culture references or know who Robin Williams was still find Genie an endearing and fun character?
I like Alan Reed's Fred FlintstoneMany of the greatest cartoon VAs started or also worked in radio, including ReedA good radio performer had to give a good performance entirely audibly. That may sound obvious but it's a lot harder than it sounds. This makes them a good candidate for cartoon voices too, since they also don't have the luxury of the audience being able to see their expressions and stuffFred is often, and a bit unfairly, caricatured as a Ralph Kramden knockoff, but the crew took inspiration from other characters of the period like Riley from Life of Riley and gave him uniquely Fred traits. This applies to his voice too, as Reed did not simply do an impersonation of Gleason, but gave Fred a bit of a "wiseguy" tone and a certain graveliness instead of Gleason's more "loud mouthed grouch" portrayalHenry Corden replaced Reed when he died in 1977, and while I respect him I believe he did a straight impersonation of Gleason and lacked the subtleties of Reed's portrayal, and Jeff Bergman or whoever does Fred now leans too much into the gruffnessIronically the best post-Reed Fred is probably Goodman
>>150745723I know it's played out, but Mark Hamill is truly unrecognizable as the joker. Like, when he does a modification of his Joker voice for other characters, I can tell it's Mark Hamill because it sounds like the Joker, but I never think "Hey that character sounds like Luke from Star Wars!"He just disappears completely in a way very few other voice actors do.
>>150746149Yeah. I watched the movie as a kid, dubbed in German with no clue about greater pop culture and he was still a perfectly good comic relief character.
>>150746233Good choice
>>150746149Well I didn't gdt most reference as a kid but still found him funny.
>>150746233>>150746829You can really tell Hammil had a great time playing brutes and bad guys, the will to "transform" into them was something that came from within. And honestly, Andrea Romano deserves as much credit because it was proven, every voice cast she directed ended up being awesome and full of great choices, from BTAS to the Boondocks. So many awesome performances, even bit roles like Danny Wells, Joe Piscopo and Robbie Benson delivered some great performances I think about a lot. The animation was sometimes dodgy, but the voice and the music always were top tier, WB cared a lot about the audio side of their productions.Taking this chance to post this stupid tier I made after a rewatch.
>>150745723>James Woods as Hadesit's just a Jay Leno impersonation
>>150745723>Vincent Price as RattiganNo one cares about this
>>150746149Kids at the time wouldn't get most references either.
>>150745723Woods and Genie can't measure up. Two big name hack comedians reciting their unfunny SNL act in an irony poisoned adaptation of an old myth. Whereas Price would have still made an incredible Moriarty if he'd change nothing about his Ratigan voice.
>>150747290Bullshit, Vincent Price is a fucking legend.
>>150745723>these performances were inseparable from the animations of their characters and truly embodying them in a way few performances canThis makes no sense. Voice recordings are done BEFORE the animation. It's the animators making the characters match the voices, not the actors matching the animation.
>>150747577You're being autistic anon. The actors give the animators the performance, and in all three cases stated, the animators made a specific point of basing the animated character's mannerisms on the actor and their performance and nailing it. It's a feedback loop where both parties work together to create something magical.The key part is the beginning, inseparable. There are many animated characters that I can imagine with different voices, even if their performance is good or even great as is. It's impossible to imagine a character like Hades voiced by anyone other than James Woods.
>>150747577>>150747692Why don't they just turn the voice actors into cartoons and make them act out the scenes?
>>150747442Stfu troon
>>150747442>Two big name hack comedians reciting their unfunny SNL act in an irony poisoned adaptation of an old myth.
>>150747806>>150747834>being a Disney adult
>>150747852Sorry that i insulted your contrarian faggotry
>>150747862Well sorry I'm not amused by your unfunny bar mitzvah clowns you cumguzzling bitch.
>>150747903I’m sorry that you are a trannyfaggot
>>150747806>>150747834>>150747852>>150747862>>150747903>>150747929This is making me horny for some reason and I can't explain it.
>>150747903>weebThat explains a lot
>>150747929Hue>>150747945Browsing this board must be cumming buckets nonstop for you then.
>Doug Walker once saidStopped right there
Three came to mind:>Brad Dourif as Chucky>Vin Diesel as the Iron Giant>James Earl Jones as Darth Vader
>>150745723>Doug WalkerWho
>>150746181>whoever does Fred now leans too much into the gruffnessWell he is a caveman. It makes sense for his character.
>>150746233Despite the betrayal of Luke Skywalker in the sequel trilogy, at the very least his legacy as both the DCAU and Arkham-verse Joker will remain intact and forever beloved by fans.
>>150747852>>150747834You're both just terrible.
How did it take you this long to come up with Mel Blanc, /co/?>>150748302These are great answers even though they're all different mediums.
>>150748673If he's still drawing breath, there's still a chance for them to ruin it.
>>150748915DCAU Joker died in an actual good story though. His story arc is finished, so even if they make a crappy movie/show thing with Hammil's Joker in it, it'll just feel like fanfiction. Hell, he even was in that stupid tranwreck Arkham Knight, and despite how utterly sick of Joker wank I am, I still enjoyed his performance in that game. Just like when Paul Williams' Penguin, was in a couple crappy BTAS episodes, but his fantastic voice performance was still a highlight.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko-kVBCGnAI
>>150748776Blanc is good too, suppose it was too easy of an answer. He was also a radio vet, he's great on The Jack Benny Program
>>150746149Did you really, really think kids would've gotten the William F Buckley or Walter Brennan references back in the 90s? At most they may recognize:>Arsenio Hall>Peter Lorre (because classic cartoons kept using him so they know the references comes from somewhere)>Jack Nicholson>Rodney Dangerfield>Arnold SchwarzeneggerAnd that's being generous. Genie worked because he was funny. That his impressions were specific people were incidental but they were chosen because they were distinctive characters.
>>150748302I think Darth Vader is 100% spot on. There's absolutely no one who can replace James Earl Jones' voice for him. Its so iconic but also because its such a booming, commanding voice i think that makes the character feel that way too.Its not a particular role, but i think a lot about how Dee Bradley Baker is just the voice of so many gutteral, gurgling creatures across all sorts of animated shows but then does this incredibly silly german accent for Klaus on American Dad.
>>150745723I believe it is a respectable if safe list. I don't know that I agree but I'd really have to give it more thought>>150746233Amusingly Siskel and Ebert, while praising the Mask of the Phantasm, actually did not care for Joker's performance.
Not even James Wood's best animated performance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPFbuaSBzNs
>>150745754Genie is the most quoted and beloved character in all of Disney. He was snot annoying. Batty from Fern Gully is annoying, but still lovable.
>>150749678Are we certain James Earl Jones wasn't actually a dark wizard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKOErq1-okUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw9bny88OuY
>>150749726Dafuq. I am used to his Quick talking voice That i legitemately did not recognise him. I also blame his version of owlman for me having a soft spot for villans with soft voice.
I feel like all too often when celebrities are hired to do voices they're basically just there to be themselves over the character.
>>150745754being a contrarian is far more annoying.
>>150746233if it wasn't for his laugh, i'd like it more.i find hamill's joker laugh to be supremely annoying, which is the point, i know.
>>150750703Still less than a faggot who can't handle someone disagreeing with them.
>>150749820I tried to memorize this entire scene to get into the mindset of an evil wizard when role playing or coming up with story ideas.
>>150745723I liked Vincent price as rattigan but I don’t know if I’d put it that high
Doug Walker once said why does it look like Vegas?!
>>150748776Blanc isn’t giving A performance, he’s literally THE looney tunes. I don’t think another voice actor could do what he did in general
>>150750958Nice. I used to do the Thulsa Doom bit. Just to see the look on players faces when the big villain cared so little about them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgN1sLcAQnw
>>150745723Robin Williams had an incredibly influential performance that went on to impact how big animated features are cast to this day. He can stay on the list.But all three of those guys, as good as these roles are, were celebrities already that were famous for other things and not dedicated voice actors. I would think that a list of the three greatest voice acting performances of all time should have, yknow, at least one voice actor. Just toss Mel Blanc on there for the principal if nothing else.
>>150750976Yeah, he’s just repeating a voice he already put on in a movie called The Mad Magician.
>>150749678>Dee Bradley BakerAnd he also manages to give the clones in The Clone Wars a correctly similar and yet distinct voice
>>150747290I do. Vincent Price was once one of the sexiest men to ever live.
If we're just doing Disney no Tony Jay as Frolo is a deplorable snub.
>>150745723Someone should tell Doug that it is okay to have a favorite thing but that doesn’t mean it must be the best of all time.
Christopher Lee intensifies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuCWXGFteTw
>>150751258I KNOW YOU!
>>150751270He also did the german dub for his character. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5jwV-WyDPo
>>150751329Wow, didn't know he was that much of a linguist.
>>150751728He speaks like 12 languages
>>150752069Rather spoke
>>150747442James Woods is not a comedian and and Robin Williams was an SNL cast member. 0 for 2. >>150749678>There's absolutely no one who can replace James Earl Jones' voice for himEddie Izzard does a good job.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjC3R6jOtUo>>150745723Danny DeVito as the Lorax. He fit the role so well that he dubbed the character in a half dozen other languages the film was released in.
>>150751066>But all three of those guys, as good as these roles are, were celebrities already that were famous for other things and not dedicated voice actorsAnd most of the best movie actors were also classically trained stage actors. While many movies nowadays just use celebrity names that aren't good at voice acting, this doesn't mean voice actors are inherently superior.
>>150745723>Robin Williams GenieFantastic voice. Agree. But for what it's worth, I think Armand Goldman in "The Birdcage" is William's best comedy role. It's just not as praised because somehow, Nathan Hale overshadowed even him in that film. The Birdcage is really just such an amazing movie, everybody in it gave 110%.>James Woods HadesEhhh, debateable. It's great, he does sell the scumbag car dealer interpretation of the character very well. But I'm not super crazy about Hercules as a film, and I think Patrick Warburton as Kronk was the funnier Disney deadpan comedy character. This one is more open to debate>Vincent Prince RattiganPffffft ahaha not a chance. There's two gay Lions that do the flamboyant power-seeker character better. Scar from Lion king and Prince John from Disney Robin Hood just are much more entertaining.I gotta give a shout out to Lucifer from Tragedy of Man, it's Hungarian but his voice does a tremendous job of portraying a petty, charismatic contrarian. Very entertaining character. All of the early Pixar movies had great voices too, Monsters Inc and The Incredibles having my favorite voice work. Outside of movies I also love Kevin Conroy's Batman, Mark Hamill's Joker, the guy that voiced Xavier renegade angel, John Baldry's Doctor Robotnik, and anything from Mel Blanc or Seth Mcfarlane.
>>150752392Hades just kind of lacks gravitas. I don't think the key to good acting is to perform in a grand Shakespearean level of pathos, the metric of what GOOD acting is highly malleable to start with let alone great but for someone who's the main villain I think there should be more impact than we got. Especially someone who's a god.
>>150752502Yeah whatever it is, Hercules just didn't mesh with me as a movie. Danny Devito is really funny, but should NOT under any circumstance be singing. I don't know why they thought that was a good idea.
>>150752586Hercules is something that should have been more epic. We're dealing with a character who's questing for divinity against ancient Greek myth and legend. There's a couple scenes that LOOK big, the Hydra fight chief among them but the rest of the movie and his rise to heroism is done in montage. The whole movie should have been focused in the 12 labors. Obviously they're gonna change some things because, well, you know but there's not really a journey or arc and the climax against the titans felt rushed to hell.
>>150752664>Movie called "Hercules" (Roman name)>Gods all called Zeus, Hades, Apollo, etc. (Greek names)This is the innaccuracy that bugs me the most. Heracles wasn't marketable?
>>150752502Price didn't play something that vague, rather something very specific and much more whimsical: Professor Moriarty in a kids movie, and I think he nailed it. It felt way classier than fucking scumbag lawyer Hades at least, and they had some buttery smooth around his theatrics whenever there was a closeup.>John Baldry's Doctor RobotnikOkay this one's really fucking good, and the voice just overtakes the low budget animatio, transcends and improves it. I think he was easily the best voice performance to come out of a Sonic product. Gay ass 80s blue singers were on another level, dude was savoring every syllable he spoke.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjuhnuwFBQw
>>150752703Hercules has always been the more common name since at least Jason and the Argonauts
>>150752731Is that what did it? See I get why they aren't called their Roman names Jupiter, Pluto, Mars since dumb normalfags will just say "Why are they named after planets". It's the lack of consistency that confuses me.
>>150752791>Is that what did it?I don't know if that's why specifically, it's just the oldest example I know off hand.
>>150747031Wasn't Kevin the first actor, voice or otherwise, to go "shouldn't Batman have a different voice since everyone would know what Bruce Wayne sounds like?"
>>150747031A fucking shame this version of scarecrow had so few episodes. It was absolute perfection both in design and voice.
>>150752935As awesome as Jeffery Combs is, I think I liked his original voice more.
>>150752885I'm not familiar with older Batman roles but that sounds about right, and he absolutely sold it being convincing enough to fool people. It's a shame it faded as TAS went on and Bruce became more of a jerk. Yet, in my opinion, he wasn't even the best "one actor playing two people" act in the show. That's the Ventriloquist.>>150752935>>150752951Yeah, as I've gotten older, I've come to appreciate classic TAS Crane Henry Polic more and more. It was just a great traditional Scarecrow, a wordy, crafty nerd that wants to take vengeance on the jocks, Pulic really made him sound so pedantic and theatrical, and they gave him such big words, it's great. He's become the voice I read Crane with in the comics.But don't get me wrong, Combs fucking killed it yeah, it was a great alternate take on the character. And sadly, Combs was only around for one episode, not even two, in "Over the Edge", his laugh and grunts were provided by Jeff Benett (you can really tell it's him by the timbre of his laugh).
>>150752724 (Me)Shit, meant to quote >>150752392
>>150751204I'd legit lay down my life if it would bring Tony Jay back to continue voice acting.
>>150753107You want a master class in voice acting the Legacy of Kane games.
Everyone keeps saying Mel Blanc, but no one is giving any specific performance of his that's unreplicatable and iconic. He was a talented voice actor, one of the best, but the OP seems to be more about specific performances, not just good voice actors.>>150752392>Pffffft ahaha not a chance. There's two gay Lions that do the flamboyant power-seeker character better. Scar from Lion king and Prince John from Disney Robin Hood just are much more entertaining.I don't hate either of those, they're both great performances, but I find it absolutely wild to place Prince John's performance on the same level of Ratigan's.>and I think Patrick Warburton as Kronk was the funnier Disney deadpan comedy characterThe debate isn't about funnier of the characters themselves, it's about performances. Warburton does funny screams and has a good voice, but I could imagine other deep voiced deadpan actors playing Kronk. Maybe not as good, but they could probably do it.
>>150752392Scar isn’t gay
>>150753292That's because Mel's performances are the ur example of what OP is describing, where the voice "warps" the animation into something with so much personality. I could say say Bugs Bunny or Porky Pig or Dan Backslide, and that just further proves my point because it wasn't a specific character voice he did, but rather his energy that gave all of these animations that quality.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEGyP0rGgV4
>>150750816Sorry nobody like shit opinions
>>150753455Sorry nobody likes shitheads.
>>150747290>filtered by The Great Mouse Detective I didn't know such sad people existed
>>150753381Dude, do you have any clue how many gay people have cited Scar as an inspiration to them? Or how many media analysts have discussed the gay coding of Disney villains, with Scar being a top example? Yes he's homosexual, but he is "gay".
>>150753563I just want to fuck him while he laments about not being king.
>>150753292Rabbit of Seville has to be one of the all-time great voice sequences in animation. Specifically, the scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ifjfyh_X4w>How about a nice close shave?>Teach your whiskers to behave>Lots of lather, lots of soap>Please hold still, don't be a dope>Now we're ready for the scrapin'>There's no use to try escapin'>Yell and scream and rant and rave>There's no use, you need a shaaave!
>>150753563*He's not homosexual
>>150752237>Robin Williams was an SNL cast memberSince when? He’s started making a name for himself through Mork & Mindy and stand up in the 70s and started focusing more on film in the 80s. While he has hosted and made cameos on SNL a couple of times, I’ve never recalled Robin Williams ever being a regular, there.
>>150753473Yeah, we don’t like you
>>150753563>gay coding of Disney villains>implying gay people are evilWhat did Disney mean by this?
>>150753887You and your bodypillow boyfriend?
>>150745723>RatiganNot even the best Price performance.>>150751204Trvthnvke. Also I feel like Tim Curry belongs up there for something or other.
>>150753563That's retarded
>>150753899I don’t care what you do
>>150753972Glad you didn't deny it.
>>150753933Zigzag was such a great villain, love this blue fuck
>>150745754Hi Will Smith
>>150754133Kek.You know what the difference is between you and me? I make this look good.
>>150745723For me it's:George Sanders as Shere KhanMark Hamill as The JokerElanor Audley as Malificent.
>>150754273Oh fuck Shere Khan was a great voice. So gravely, really sells the Tiger "roar" to the voice.
>>150750586Yeah. Shark Tale is what if Will Smith but a fish? Kung Fu Panda is what is Jack Black but a panda? All those Smurfs movies are what if Katy Perry or Rihanna but a smurf? That Garfield movie last year was what if Chris Pratt but a cat? And you get the idea.
>>150753983Cope
>>150750586It's kindof a shame Will Ferrell didn't give a shit at all in Megamind. It had such great writing but he's clearly the weakest link.
>>150754503Rope.
>>150754504Will Ferrell's entire career was like some kind of meme.
>>150754509Chew soap.
>>150756291Gargle shampoo.
>>150748915Technically, but he's been very clear that Kevin was the only Batman for his Joker. Quite a dignified way to bow out, imo.
>>150754504At least he sounds like he's having fun.
>>150756489They must have fucked.
>>150745723Kevin Conroy as Batman is literally irreplaceable. He played the dichotomy between Batman and Bruce Wayne masterfully, and nobody has been able to match him since. I suspect that they never will.
