So who is going to be made explicitly gay?What kind of obviously 2020's socio-political commentary will there be?Will there be black/brown moomins?Will Moominmamma be made into an empowered career woman?
>>150757509It's going to be woke obviously. But moreover, it'll be absolutely soulless. You can't get Moomin unless you were grew up with it in North or Central Europe. An American from California has absolutely no business directing this.Everything about this is utterly repugnant.
>>150757509>>150757570you guys know moomins were created by a lesbian right
>>150757638Yes, and?Look, I'm not denying Moomins are "woke" but Tove Jansson knew how to do it gracefully. I have no such faith in some non-binary weirdo.
>>150757660OK buddy you got caught out two posts in, give up nowc'mon
>>150757674What the fuck are you talking about?
>>150757570>North or Central EuropedafuqMoomin are popular all over the place. I think you're an Ivan trying to stir shit for no fucking reason. I hate you Russhits so fucking much.
>>150757509>troomins
>>150757779I have literally never heard of moomins in South America.
>>150757779Russia lives rent free inside your head
The bigger problem is that Sugar has never made a high budget movie. She made this shit about pink schizo who came from space but that's essentially a tv episode but longer.
>>150757638Bi.
>>150757509>So who is going to be made explicitly gay?You, anon.
>>150757509There are actually very few people I could imagine successfully directing this other than Rebecca Sugar. If it's not a bit queer and emotional, it won't capture Tove Jansson.
>>150757570>moomin directed by rebecca sugar
>>150757509This shouldn't be in the hands of americans. European countries really need to get their shit together and protect the few entertainment media they still possess.
>>150757509For fucks sake
>>150758228Blame your own people, they not only signed for foreigners to use them but handpicked her to make it
>>150757570She is something even worse than a Californian. She is, Allah forgive me for saying this, a Marylander raised in a Washington DC neighboring suburb.
>>150757570Why are Eurofags so pretentious about some white hippos for children?Yes anyone can read and watch it to "get" it
>>150758249>Blame your own peopleWell I sort of did, didn't I? We had cool euro-produced cartoons in the last century and early 00s, but all of those studios shriveled away because the moneybags fell for american cultural imperialism and started to just import everything.Of course I'm aware that a fair share of those old euro cartoons were collaborations with asians.
>>150757570>It's going to be woke obviously. But moreover, it'll be absolutely soulless.
>>150758293>early 00sIronically, the same decade we started importing a ton of stuff from you guys.
How many times are you going to keep posting this exact same thing on both /co/ and /tv/?
Moomin official gay stuffhttps://www.moomin.com/en/blog/tove-janssons-gay-legacy/#5602fa4cSuffer.
>>150758325
>>150758316Yeah it was a weird period where everything rearranged itself until we ended up with the nick/cartoon network revivals and eventually Netflix.
>>150757509Do we know the studio? I can't see any big American studios thinking fucking Moomins would be huge in the states. And if it's a European studio, why the fuck would they tap a random American animator that never directed a film for this?
>>150757509I haven’t watched moomins but some of the screenshots I’ve seen of the little bear thing and the little elf dude are already some of the gayest shti I’ve ever seen. Like the one where the bear thing is blushing and saying “I really want to see him”. Looks cute
>>150758356As far as I understood, Annapurna is involved (Nimona).
>>150758228When money talks (aka DEI money) they stop giving a shit about brand protection. Even Asterix went woke with the Netflix tv series.
Tove Jansson turned down Walt Disney and Hayao Miyazaki in her own lifetime, but we're 'expected' to applaud this, because... Well, I'm not exactly sure, since nobody has posited a real reason.
>>150758516Disney never had any respect for any of the source material Disney has found abandoned on the ground. Miyazaki she probably turned down due to the shit she had to deal with the 1969 anime and might or might not have been a mistake.
>>150758490Saying that in a thread about fucking MOOMINS is really funny
True?
>>150758537
Cool, another IP put to the torch
>>150758516She never turned down Miyazaki. Miyazaki actually worked on the 1969 anime that she hated because he added tanks and other out of place military shit to the Moomin world, because as all know Miyazaki is obsessed with military vehicles
>>150758555Even the mainstream sources say that she was with Atos Wirtanen
>>150758572So she was bisexual or something ?
>>150758525Cope
>>150758153Kys trannyfaggot
>>150758556Moomin has had a dozen adaptations, several of them outright bad or mediocre, but Sugar is suddenly where we draw the line I guess
>>150758598When it comes to adaptations, most people only seem to consult the 90's show, and nothing else seems to matter.
>>150758571Based Miyazaki putting his generational trauma and autistic fixations into everything.
>>150758581As far as we know, yes, or a lesbian trying to pass until she was old enough to not give a fuck. She spend the rest of her days with another woman, so take whatever route you prefer.
>>150758669Fag
>>150757638An north european lesbian
>>150758270They've contributed very little to ongoing culture for the past 125 years or so, and so they're a a bit touchy and possessive.
>>150758506>Even Asterix went woke with the Netflix tv series.How? can you give some examples?
>>150757674Anon, this isn't the "gotcha" that you think it is You can be a lesbian and still make something good. The same can't be said about being Rebecca Sugar, who has a long history of being an aggressive cunt who taints everything she touches.
>>150758885>being an aggressive cuntUhh? This one ia new, wasn't the complain against her that she was too soft to put limits to her team?
>>150758908>wasn't the complain against her that she was too soft to put limits to her team?Oooh so it isn't really her fault that it keeps happening. Okay, lol, let's put her in charge of another project I'm just it will go different this time
>>150757638You know not all lesbians are interchangeable with each other right? They're different people.
>>150758153Rebecca Sugar is literally the last person on the planet I'd want on this, she's the exact polar opposite of Tove's earnestness
>>150758260That's the worst type of Marylander, even Baltimore and Hagerstown would have been better.
>>150758849I saw it, the closest thing to woke in it were>Metadata, a roman girl who likes the Gauls and wears "pants">a side character Roman fight commentator who's a black girl with an afro (not implied to be a native roman)So not woke at all, it's actually really good
>>150758632Because only that anime and Polish stopmotion was good.
>>150758598Sugar's one will be the major modern exposure of the IP
>>150758933This
>>150758849Characters were gender swapped, a new female character became a pseudo-main character and has a lot of girl power moments, there are new black characters, and Caesar's mom was inserted to give him shit and belittle him at every turn. To me, it feels like the creators were ordered to include a bunch of checkbox shit, but did everything they could to make it as unintrusive as humanly possible. Overall, it's still a pretty good show. They even had one of the gender swaps still be subject to the same slapstick comedy as the original, which I was not expecting.
>>150759070>>150759189It wasn't very good and it was pretty jaring experience with the changes and weird inserts. Especially of Metadata and especially this anon's points about the rest of the issues >>150759189
>>150759104That's NOT a good thing, especially from the untalented Sugar who just adds excessive thinly veiled sexual allegories to everything, or just highjacking other IPs and making them into lesbian icons.
>>150757638>incels knowing anything about comics or cartoons
>>150759618>/co/ knowing anything about comics or cartoonsRetard
>>150758598People can't seem to comprehend that a person can behave differently when telling their own story vs. adapting another one. Chloe Zao went from winning best director for Nomadland, to Eternals, and now she's probably going to be back in the running for best director with Hamnet. This is only Sugar's second project and we have no reference for how she handles adaptations.>she's gonna make Moomin and Snufkin gay!!!!Do we have any proof of this besides Sugar writing some LGBT characters in the past? In a show where the main character ends up in a straight relationship? Do we really think that the Moomin Characters will sign off on that? Do we even know that she'll suggest that?
>>150758933So your previous complain about her being aggressive was because...?
>>150757638being a lesbian doesn't automatically mean you support cultural marxism
>>150759652Hey, I recognize that image Sugarshill
>>150759717Ok, I'm just saying it's not healthy to preemptively get pissed off over something that's years away. Especially when as another anon's pointed out, there's been shitty adaptations of Moomin before.
>>150759652>please don't judge sugar based on her actual works, just pretend they don't matter when writing adaptationsmy god this is the most dishonest post I've seen in some time
>>150759055For those of you not from the Southeast coast. That's the type of Marylander most famous for being posh assholes who move-in, gentrify everything, and act like they've brought "progress"
>>150759739>please don't judge sugar based on her actual worksI didn't say that. I said people can act differently when telling their own story vs. handling an IP given to them and we have no point of reference for the latter with Sugar.
>>150759759>please guys don't judge her based on her past actions, this is TOTALLY differentyeah sugar will totally respect the source material and not insert her own ideologic agenda into it.
>>150759652Eternals sucked specifically because Zhao is a more artsy director whose strengths don't play to a mega blockbuster.Yeah, good directors have some duds but you might as well have gone for the Alien:Resurrection guy while ignoring the studio interference.I dunno how Sugar will do, but I want you to know that your point of reference was shit
>>150759739>Get mad all the time, never stop to think or reflect, just find next thing to be mad about
>>150759778>please guys don't judge her based on her past actionsWhat actions. She's literally never helmed an adaptation.
>>150759735Yeah, but I recognize youhttps://desuarchive.org/co/thread/147242461/#147249573
>>150759790she has past experience on cartoons and animation you disingenuous fuck. Only a sub 80 iq individual would think her past experience wouldn't translate onto a new project (new project being an adaptaion)
>>150759782I used Zhao because she clearly did it for the Disney paycheck, not because she wanted to make a Marvel movie.>>150759799Oh that's not me lol. I haven't watched anything AT in years.
>>150757638A lesbian is a woman that loves women and finds them sexually attractive. It doesn't come with a political slant, it is not a badge to wear in honour or to give your words any more weight. Just a quirk of brain chemistry being fucked up on some level. The "lesbian" created an idyllic story about a normal family and its adventures in its world. Modern slop writers will, frankly, rape it for their own political views.
>guys if you don't like the idea of sugar adapting moomins, then you're madwhat's with this astroturfing
>>150759831The threads since this announcement have proven that people are unsettlingly mad about this.
>>150759818>same image>defending Sugar>"It's not me."
>>150759831>>150759843>people hate sugar>people like Moomin>people mad sugar is working on moominit's really not that complicated
>>150759862That wasn't made by Sugar
>>150759618>incelsSeriously, stop using a word you don’t understand
>>150759862So you're mad.
>>150759676Sorry, I misspelled "Incompetent and irresponsible". You yourself have clearly recognized putting her in charge of this is a terrible idea, so at least we can agree on that.
>>150759879yes I'm mad that sugar is working on moomin, that's the natural response for people who dislike sugar or enjoy moomin
>>150758933What keeps happening? Her successful show that was only canceled for being gay?
>>150757509Why can’t we just fucking deport Shitgar to some African hellhole and be done with it
>>150757509You guys are literally living stereotypes at this point, holy fuck
>>150759906Stereotypes? Maybe. Wrong?No.
>>150757570sirs, it's going to be woke sirs believe me, i'm totally one of you sirs
>>150759803Are you being disingenuous? By your logic all of Jim Henson's creative projects would involve selling coffee because his first solo project was coffee commercials. True retard logic of an invalid trying to sound smarter than he is or a useless instigator trying to muck up discussion for their own amusement. I spit on you.
>>150759905Why should WE do that? What did she do?
>>150760007>will sugars history on animated projects translate well to another animated project?you're completely disingenuous
>>150759890I would say that for the first project she lead, 5 seasons and a movie is pretty good. I can only hope experience and time has evolved her into a better team leader, but we can only wait and see.
>>150760007>By your logic all of Jim Henson's creative projects would involve selling coffee because his first solo project was coffee commercials.Sugar isn't "just starting off" anymore, dude. She she's been in the industry for over a decade now and has a firmly established filmography that we can pull from to predict exactly what she's gonna do with this shit
>>150760040if she's so successful why don't they advertise SU still?
>>150759893You being mad is funny to me
>Yeah bro Tove was totally lesbian>...as long as you ignore all the boyfriends she had in her youthWhat's this bisexual erasure?
>>150757509Moomin and Snufkin being gay is both popular and cute so whateverLittle My is also already a super strong female character but that just means she will get an arc about actually feeling really weak and small and bad inside(which isn't a bad idea but they'll do a piss-poor job at writting it)I'm mostly scared for Sniff...
The fact there are people here complaining "they're going to make Moomin WOKE" of all things shows how much /co/ has been coopted by culture war faggots from /pol/.Fucking MOOMIN of all things
>>150760040>I can only hope experience and time has evolved her into a better team leader, but we can only wait and see.You're absolutely right, we can only hope. Because nothing from that 5 sessions or movie demonstrated to me that she's suitable to this project and I don't reconnect anyone she takes on it supervises to handle it better.Just let her make more shows about gay inanimate objects instead of putting her in charge of previously established franchises
Just woke up.>all this Sugar glazing at nightGod, Europoors are beyond fucking saving. I hope Muslims start shitting in your food.
Moomin was always woke and progressive.My issue here is that Rebecca Sugar is a fraud and a moron who can't direct a show for the life of her.She has good ideas and all...but it's clear that her place is in the audio room making gay little lo-fi beats and far away from storyboards or plots
>>150760087What an ironic post for someone with the need to whine about another Sugar success
>>150760114>from /pol/When are you going to finally understand that a lot of the population has this sentiment?"MOOMIN, FROM THE CREATOR OF STEVEN UNIVERSE" doesn't sit well with a lot of people.
>>150760153Stfu troon
There's something really wrong with our society that stuff like this is supposed to be celebrated. Imagine working your whole life on something that's personal and fulfilling to you, but then there's a point where outsiders come along and take your possessions when you're dead and can't have any say in the matter. It's ghoulish. Doing something like this is barely any different from grave-robbery, but it's also wearing a sinister mask to pretend that this isn't. Like there's some kind of artistic integrity about outsiders stealing from you. I don't want to use simplistic terms like capitalistic or communistic, anyone should just see how this is wrong. Although I spit on Marx because he proposed the idea that your family heirlooms should be handed to the government. Tove openly had disdain for Hollywood when she was alive, and these stories are personal to her. This is why I can't stand public domain, it's just blatant thievery and grave-robbery. Do your own thing, you soulless thieving ghouls. You don't need to wear the skin of a dead person, as some sort vile self-important rite of passage.
I didn't know there was that many people who suck the shit out of Sugar's cock but then I remember this is the same board that has daily shotapedo threads of Steven.
>>150760165The majority of the population has no idea what a Moomin is.Even less of the population knows who Rebecca Sugar is.And the only ones seriously offended by Sugar directing a Moomin adaptation are in this thread.
>>150760177Yes, and incels like you whining is funny to me
How about you reboot your old show first Sugar, and make it good this time
>>150757509>Rebecca Sugar's MoominsThat seems like a logical choice.
>>150760114>/co/ was never a political shithole beforeI am sure this board being known all over the internet as /co/mblr meant absolutely nothing.
>>150760190trannys feel obligated to support a shit show because it supports their degenerate life style.>>150760199>incellollmao even
I am a newfriend. What is wrong with Rebecca Sugar? I've liked what little I've seen of her work.
>>150760190>shotapedo Stfu fag
>>150760197>Only people who have heard of moomin have heard of moomin!Wow, what a fucking insightful post on the comics and cartoons board of 4chan!
>>150760097>Moomin and Snufkin being gay is both popular and cute so whateverAlso extremely noncanon. The sole reason Snorkmaiden exists is for Moomin to have the hots for her.
>>150760217Kys fudgepacker
>>150760190What, everybody wants to fuck the gems not Steven unless i missed something.
>>150760231Something something gay people
>>150760243Tové is Moomin. Snufkin is her lover Atos Wirtanen. Moomin and Snufkin aren't gay, but when you realize the real origins there is subtext behind it. Not gay subtext, but Snufkin is the man the author loves.
>>150760231Gay brown beanmouths
>>150760231She makes incels cry even more than they usually do
Alright, enough with the chuddery.https://files.catbox.moe/0qglwt.gifhttps://files.catbox.moe/xronbs.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/k7iqn9.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/n8ulxp.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/yd3k7z.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/3lr6st.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/fkpwyl.png
>>150757509It's probably not going to be better than the 90s version, but surely it can be better than the 60s one?
>>150760307Fag
>>150760307Seriously, wtf is your obsession with incels and spamming the thread with calling everyone an incel. If your into virgins just say it already you fuckin freak.
>>150760328>chudderyTRANNY
>>150757509Oh boy....
>>150760077A lot of people really hate bisexuals and consider them traitors until they date someone of the same sex
>Rabid SUfags are hereYes, yes we know you were a dumb teen around ~2015 who didn't know any better, and now feel obliged to defend Sugar till the end of time.Anything else?
https://archive.org/details/StevenRapeyverseOrHowILearnedToStopWorryingAndLoveToFuse
Are we being raided by Bluesky or something?
>>1507608034chan got better since the election but POTUS lost the Nobel Prize yesterday so I guess the marching orders came from the Democrat Party
>>150759557Yes, I'm explaining why it's bad that this one will be bad even though previous bad adaptations existed
>>150759652I get what you're saying and I think it's a fair point: we don't know 100% how she's going to handle this. Though, I do want to point out, it being someone else's franchise hadn't stopped Sugar when she was working on AT.
>>150757509Perkele.
>>150759053>earnestnesssugar is a lot of things, but she does not lack heart-bearing earnestness. just watch the SU movie or the finale, it's a straightforward love letter to old disney
>>150761186>some random promo shit put together by an intern that sugar probably never even sawyou saved that on your computer?
>>150761205Anon, Sugar was definitely aware of her content being used to promote the NBJC, how delusional are you?
>>150757638Yeah, and she wrote a story about a family with a mom and a dad, and their son who also had a girlfriend. Snufkin made it clear several times that he liked to be alone, and it's obvious he'd never settle with Moomin, or anyone for that matter.
>>150761231i never said she wasn't le woke, i said she has proved she is capable of earnest storytelling. please try reading for once
>>150757509It's over
>>150761281What I haven't seen is her competently handling a series without inevitably shoehorning her politics into it
>>150761167Neither you nor her have never witnessed a shred of earnestness in your lives, let alone been able to create earnestly
>>150760278SU had more problems than just being gay. >>150760231She is a really bad writer and I guess people also had problems with her main show being filled with homages to a lot of other stuff while failing to make something close in quality to them.
>>150757509>So who is going to be made explicitly gay?Too-Ticky (based on Tove's lover), Thingumy and Bob (based on Tove herself and another of Tove's lovers)>Will there be black/brown moomins?Sniff is already a brown character, as is the Groke. Stinky and 'The Ancestor' are already Black. No existing character will be recoloured, though they'll probably either add an Asian character or use the Hattifatteners.>Will Moominmamma be made into an empowered career woman?No. Though they might do this with Snorkmaiden, Too-Ticky, Mrs Fillyjonk or one/all of the Mymbles.
Another thread ruined by right-wing American pearl clutching, this time from people who never even watched or read Moomin stuff.Can't you just stay in your own lanes for once or are your massively fat bodies simply unable to?
>>150761696>rightwing opinions, on 4channo, really?
>>150761696>No, you can't talk about this in a negative light, or you're a right-wing pearl clutcherGtfo already
>>150761696>Another thread ruined by right-wing American pearl clutching, this time from people who never even watched or read Moomin stuff.Fuck off, queer, I would have been fine with no remake over Rebecca Sugar making it.There is one reason this thread exists and it's her.
>>150757509I imagine the Moomins will be faithfully adapted by Rebecca Sugar. At worst, she may write some songs or dump her own singing into the film, but her past works seem to be a good fit. Should bear in mind that this is an adaptation, not an original work.
>>150757509It's Moomins a Japanese IP? I'm not watching anime that is Americanize slop, let alone Americanized woke bastardized slop. How about letting the nips make the story themselves?
>>150761885>How about letting the nips make the story themselves?This, idk why on God's green Earth they chose Sugar for this shit.
>>150761696These subhumans just want to screech impotently about Sugar
>>150761885>>150761905They are finnish
>>150757509So the stupid ugly dysgenic Jewish dyke who made Steven Universe is gonna bastardized a beloved Japanese IP loved by many? Someone please fire that incompetent useless waste of a pussy & put someone better in charge.
>>150761916Sorry we dislike tumblrshitters
>>150761696This may surprise you to hear, but not everyone who hates Sugar is a rightard.
>>150758228Lol, the best piece of Moomins media wasn't even made by Yuropoors, they had to outsource it to the Japs.
>>150761922Agreed, incels are finished
>>150757638But not THIS lesbian. This lesbian is terrible at characterization and story.
>>150757509When did /co/ start hating Rebecca Sugar?
>>150761998Since the days of Steven Universe.
>>150761966Shut up fudge packer.
>>150757509How can they give hippo creatures the mandatory sideshave?Or which other character will be targeted instead.One of the moomins will be black.Another will be nonbinary.>>150759070Christ i thought you were meming. Looked up this metadata character and it's just a compilation of mary sue forced redflags.
>>150761696Rent fucking free
>>150761933Discrimination against you faggots was morally correct & I'm tired of being told otherwise. We're gonna put you degenerates back in your closets & nail the door shut in the years to come.
>>150762169Seethe harder, brownoid.
>>150762182I'm not brown
>>150760114This is why we can never have a civil discussion on the difference between a work featuring certain themes versus tonedeaf espousing of political beliefs just to increase the amount of things in the world that agree with you.
>>150757638Its not about lesbians making media. Its the fact that Rebecca Sugar is a terrible creative, and I sincerely do not trust her ability to make Moomins. They could have said "The director is a massive dick sucking faggot who made (media that's actually good)" and I'd be excited.
>>150760114Trump did roll back on the woke mindvirus, but not everyone is complying. Putting Rebecca Sugar in charge is just asking for it to be woke. She fought against CN to make her characters gay in Steven Universe. It says everything about her. She's a dyke, & like all LGBT freaks, they love inserting faggot shit into everything.
>>150760328I'm disgusted with myself but still would that mama
>>150762215This is the type of opinion you get from anyone who never actually sat to see Steven Universe and only formed his opinion by churning 100 algorithm farm clickbait "we vs woke" sloppa videos
>>150762189Write a fucking book about it, dunning-kruger faggot
>>150762327No need to be so hostile. Do you think you're obligated to be so argumentative on 4channel.org?
>>150762300Brother, I watched Steven Universe and Adventure time. I enjoyed them both until they went to shit, and formed my own opinion based on that. I even bought the Steven Universe games because I like the properties.At the end of the day, I don't trust Sugars ability to lead due to how she dropped the ball with leading Steven Universe. It was like she was too afraid to say "stick the model sheets" or keep her writers on the ball. These are real material critiques that have nothing to do with "algorithm click bait" in the same way someone critiquing a movie for its poor acting has nothing to do with other critiques. You just need to believe people are only negative about Steven Universe due to unironic propaganda and not because the media is flawed.
>>150761696You mean Another IP ruined by left-wing American faggotry.
I just don't like trans people very much. The endless wave of content trying to make them seem normal isn't helping.
>>150762650If only incels like you weren't too retarded to make comic or cartoons that you didn't feel the need to constantly whine about
>>150762754Sorry but this a free board
>>150762774Sure, you're free to screech about Sugar, just like I'm free to laugh at your impotent tears as she makes another highly successful series
>>150762838I don't care about her all that much, I just hate fags like you
>>150757638Of course. What about it? It doesn't particularly affect her works. For a notable example of "queer" themes in Jansson's works, let's look at the character of Pimple. He's the dog who's featured on top of the page this anon linked >>150758325Pimple is a little dog who secretly only likes cats. His character is often interpreted as a metaphor for closeted homosexual love. But at the end of his arc, Pimple learns that he does like other dogs after all. So if you choose to read him as a gay metaphor, he basically finds happiness after conversion therapy.Modern LGBT authors would never write a story like that. They would be upset with the implications of Pimple's storyarc. Jansson lived in a different era and didn't mind writing it that way.
Good. All IPs especially older ones would be foolish not to be inclusive to be profitable. You don't want to risk angering society by excluding anyone from your audience lest you be publicly shamed and canceled.
>>150762838>another highly successful seriesIt's a movie you dumb fuck and it will not even come close to the 90s series so who even cares?
>>150762963Stfu tripfag
>>150762965>who even cares?All the incels itt who can't stop crying over it apparently
>>150757570moomins were always woke
>>150763472Wrong
Why are people who like Moomins nazis?
>>150757638Being a dyke is bad, sure, but it doesn’t make you a bad person or makes you make bad art
>>150760716Thanks
What kind of woman was she?
>>150763710Shut up Sugarshill
>>150763977The type of woman that would hate Rebecca Sugar
>>150763977She was the Rebecca Sugar of her time
>>150762461On the one hand I can understand the dilemma, right? If a creative produces something not good, does that mean they should never get another chance ever, because we've seen them produce something shitty?Probably not, because being shitty is the default state of any skill. So, what's the acceptable amount of second-chance tolerance without people immediately crying nepotism? I don't know the answer myself.
>>150764723Wrong you fag
The dozen or so of you in this thread are collectivly far worse than any undeveloped cartoon media could ever be.
>>150757509>So who is>What kind of>Will there be>WillNobody cares about the fucking moomins, brah. Get off your racist high horse.
>>150766448Shut up Sugarfag
>>150766494The world isn't just America
>>150757509Writing and redesigns aside, the inconsistent art is gonna be atrocious. I expect scenes where Moomin is inexplicably as tall as My.At least the person in charge of the estate has enough integrity to say that as long as she lives, no adaptation shall "modernise" the Moomin world's setting. Specifically listing there will never be computers, smartphones, or game consoles in the stories. So she still has supreme veto power over Sugar's "director" role if anything goes too far.
>>150760236>>150766760Nobody cares about the moomins, pedo enabler.
>>150767234>pedos literally out of nowhereWnna talk anon?
>>150766760No. Apparently it's just Europe. No one's ever felt lonely outside of Europe. No one's ever worried about being trampled by a crowd outside of Europe. No one's ever worried about their family not recognizing them outside of Europe.Europe is the only continent where it happens, it can't happen anywhere else. That's why nobody outside of Europe read anything by Tove and why it's never been adapted until now.
>>150767681Thing about Europeans and American cultural imperialism, when compared to like Asia or South America, is that they're less mad about the act of cultural imperialism and moreso mad that somehow Britain's former colony managed to completely eclipse all of them combined in the latter half of the 20th century. They'll say Americans have no culture, only for the reality to turn out that American culture is so fucking omnipresent that it doesn't even register as American culture when they see it.
>>150758270>Yes anyone can read and watch it to "get" itAnd yet theres a very high chance theres going to be a gay nigger moomin in the upcoming show.
>>150767234Okay then why is it getting adapted again?
>>150761998/pol/ cancer
>>150768495Sorry we dislike Tumblr fuckery
>>150768556My dude, you don't even like Moomins, you just like culture wars.
>>150768588Nah, just hate fags
>>150763977Just from reading her books, I have to assume she was prone to melancholy, and it just got worse as she got older. The book series takes a dark turn in "Moominland Midwinter" and goes deeper from there.
>>150758153>There are actually very few people I could imagine successfully directing this other than Rebecca Sugar.Lauren Faust could do an amazing Moomins TV series and movie if she were allowed to do her thing.
>>150768556Here’s some tumblr fuckeryhttps://skruttet.tumblr.com/post/627595214005125120/mumintrollet-och-jordens-underg%C3%A5ng-moomintrollTove’s first Moominstrip
>>150762949I dont think i would read the metaphor that way. The dog likes its opposite, and the positive experience it has that changes its mind is being exposed to something it thinks is the thing it wants. Also catdog got paid to do it? Its confused on so many levels that it would somehow make more sense as straight to gay via crossdresser
>>150757509How bad is Rebecca Sugar exactly? Why do you all hate her this badly?
>>150772096Was at the forefront of shoving gay shit into western animation
>>150772096Is funny because Sugar herself is one of the least controversial /co/ creators and procures not to say anything that could be misconstrued.
>>150772096Some Anons just never forgave her for writing PB and Marceline as Gay when they were underage.
>>150757509> Snork Maiden tells Moomin he's awkward and he's crush makes him feel weird> She starts dating Snufkin and they leave together, with Snufkin telling Moomin he no longer has room to take him on a trip because he's taking Snork Maiden> Little My tells Moomin this is his fault> Tutiki is nonbinary and tells Moomin he should be gay> Moomin Papa is an idiot and Moomin Mama divorced him. He then has to live in a cave. > Maybel is an international pop sensation that sings stupid songs that don't rhyme about things they're currently doing. Everyone somehow loves this. > Moomin Valley actually belonged the the Hattifatteners originally before the Moomin stole it from them, so at the end the Moomin have to leave Moomin Valley forever so the Hattifatteners can live there now.> Moomin has trauma
>>150757638Revisionism. She dated a man for many years, which is who Snufkin is based on.
>>150757509I hope that the estate somehow put some kind of veto clause in their contract that will let them tank this project once they see what she wants to do with it.
>>150759652They can, but she won't.
>>150757509Rebecca SugarThis is going to be as ugly as sin.
>>150759819>It doesn't come with a political slant, it is not a badge to wear in honour or to give your words any more weightShit. This has to be the most accurate and solid description of modern queer creators and their big creative issue I've ever read. You nailed every word, anon.
>>150772096If you read the thread carefully, most anon don't have personal issues with Sugar, but rather her work.Sure, one or two anons who attack the author on a personal level exist, but this is not like what happens in threads about Dana, Hirsch, Matt, or Stevenson where most of the complains and attacks are directed towards the work and the people.
>>150772096Culture war autism.
>>150759652>People can't seem to comprehend that a person can behave differently when telling their own story vs. adapting another one.Problem is that californians and Hollywood especially cannot. Its against their nature.
>>150761696>Another thread ruined by right-wing American pearl clutching, this time from people who never even watched or read Moomin stuff.I'm not american, and the woke stuff is ruining media. Menkää transut ullakolle, naru kaulaan ja pistäkää tanssiksi. Jos the rupeatte neekerihomomuumeja tehtailemaan niin se ei enää ole muumisarja.
>>150757779ur insane. dumbfuck. maybe biased due to being on co. Moomin are hyper-popular in nordic countries. Even central europe they are not as popular. When i visited Finland, Moomin was everywhere. My ex hat a moomin sleeping shirt. Moomin drinks can be found in regular shops.You see it in public everywhere too. You got no idea.
>Steven Universe Creator Rebecca Sugar Will Helm Upcoming Moomin Adaptation
How do you guys feel about animation studio chosen for this. Its probably going to be a 3D movie.
>>150762461>At the end of the day, I don't trust Sugars ability to lead due to how she dropped the ball with leading Steven Universe. It was like she was too afraid to say "stick the model sheets" or keep her writers on the ball.These are actually my largest concerns. I'm fairly confident that Sugar herself can capture the visual style of Moomin but can she hold her crew to the same standard? I'm fairly confident that Sugar can be subtle when handling storytelling, but will she reel someone in who's being to overt or losing sight of the characters?Sugar is very good at laying the groundwork - I truly feel season 1 of Steven Universe is really great and she did a decent job at the plots she started on AT. However, SU clearly fell apart when the artists were given too much control with Sugar reigning them in. The plots in AT completely fell apart when they had to handed to someone else. Sugar's leadership skills should be everyone's biggest concern for this.
>>150757509Didn't she try to kickstart a SWAT Kat reboot?
>>150757509Why? Its like the Smurfs, the general public doesn't give a fuck for Moomins. Bluey is 1000x more relevant.
>>150772096She's nonconfrontational. She lets her work do mostly what they and can't say no until its too late. She said her work would not feature religion yet had characters wear hijabs meaning she just didn't want Christianity but didn't have the courage to say it.
>>150773589I want there to be some sort of thinly veiled socio-political allegory.
>>150769568Cope trannyfaggot
>>150776189>moomintroll
>>150775297>I truly feel season 1 of Steven Universe is really great and she did a decent job at the plots she started on ATPFFFFTT AHAHAH *Wheezes* AHAHAHHAHAHAHA gen-Zers, everyone.But no please keep talking in that passive pseud politician GPT4 way, no please I insist.God gen-Zers. I should have died 13 years ago so I didn't have to see what bullshit they say later.Do you really enjoy those awful designs from Adventure Time and Steven Universe? I think you have a few screws loose in your brain. And by (you) I mean all of (you) gen-Zombies. You might as well live in India cause that's the level of culture and knowledge you have on anything. The world really did end on December 21st 2012 as the mayan calendar predicted. We're now living in a dystopia. If millenials are nihilists, gen-zers pretend to be smart then gen-alphas will be a nihilistic idiocracy that hires a psychologist to tell them what's wrong and then punches the psychologist in the face before going back to their TikTok sloppa just like Gen-Z goes back to their Youtube sloppa.Oh and one more thing gen-Z Over The Garden Wall is shit.
>>150776954Keep seething vogeltroon, it's really funny
>>150776954>passive pseud politician GPTSorry that speaking like a human scares you
>>150776910Schizofag
>>150777034Remember that we all know where your manager lives, janitor. We also all know that he moved a little down the street.If your location didn't get leaked then we can beat it out of your manager to get it. Alright spit it out how did you know it was me?>>150777044The vocabulary is so-so of a 15-17 year old isn't trying to impress and the prose is smooth and the structure is clear, but the overall wording and emotion lacks personality and feels like a passive sheeple and fence sitter.
>>150777065Your faggy way of sperging is easily recognizable and also i'm not a janny you tranny
>>150777195Stop projecting you schizofaggot
>>150777222Better a schizofaggot than a gen-alpha and a gen-zener. Even a cringe autistic schizophrenic is better than your kind straight out of the idiocracy movie. ;) You gonna water the plants with mountain dew and your triples? heat an egg to eat with your lucky quintuplets? If only 90% of millenials were like me and didn't abandon the 2000s in favor of the 2010s, albeit most of those are gen-Zers.
>>150777475>If only 90% of millenials were like meNice to see that not only you are delulu but also overrate yourself
>>150777475Cope and seethe faggot
>>150775399No?
>>150757509>reject Disney animation for decades>now the Steven Universe bitch will decide the popular conscious opinion of MoominsTove utterly BTFO
>>150775297>Sugar's leadership skills should be everyone's biggest concern for this.The team being californian should be the primary concern. Its the ground zero for the rainbow bullshit and animators working in there just cannot help it but insert it in whatever they're creating.
Mald level: Moomin
>tries to create the image of an uptight snob>ends up creating the ideal girlNice self-own.
>>150759652>People can't seem to comprehend that a person can behave differently when telling their own story vs. adapting another oneI get that, but I saw how she handled adventure time. It took the show in a terrible direction, but she somehow came out of it with a series of her own as a result.So I'm rightfully concerned that this is precisely what they want and expect her to do for Moomin.
>>150777948...Have you ever tried dating a bipo girl?
>>150757570Why would Central Europeans be able to get a Swedish-Finnish comic?
>>150777948The question is, would you?
>>150762215Yeah they should have gotten John Waters
>>150778166Geographic and cultural proximity. Kids in Germany, Austria, Poland, Czechoslovakia grew up with Moomin. The Polish stop-motion adaptation was made in direct collaboration with Tove.
>>150776954But I'm a millennial, Anon. Like a nearly 40 year old one too
>>150776954Major fag alert
>>150777948How is she exactly in the books? I only saw the animu.
>>150780196fagit :3
>>150781013Chaotic. Kinda bipolar.
>>150781013Comic Strip Fillyjonk is fussy and proper, raises her kids too strictly, and somehow manages to annoy even Moominmama.Book Fillyjonk is a complete neurotic who's convinced the end of the world is just around the corner.
>>150781013Sex
>>150759699>being a lesbian doesn't automatically mean you support cultural marxismhow far we done fell
>>150784755>how far we done fellWhat?
>>150784927cmon man didnt you watch the wirehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeCit3qkqxA
Non of you people are real
