Chapter 5.2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcuV2WW2fOs
>>150760838 Do we know how long this episode supposed to be?
>>1507610372 hours
>>150761076 And does this takes place in the immediate aftermath of the last animated episode where they found out it was the wolf or sometime before then?
>>150760838LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO
>>150761105After chapter 5
2 minutes
bEGin
>Amanda could go home if she wanted toSo they've just completely given up on there being a ghoul in the chantry.
>>150760838Shit, of course it premiers just as I'm about to go into workGuess I'll watch it tonight gut and join you guys later
I AIN'T AFRAID OF NO GHOST!
>Kronik FatigueI already like this guy. I suspect the people who made this don't, though.
PISS!
THE GREAT PASCAL GETS ANOTHER ONE
>medium witOwned.
who the FUCK?
Amanda a cutie
>>150761876Yeah they made sure to make him old timey racist
i want to an werewolf
>>150762293She's a bonegnawer, she's stinky dude.
>>150762304yes, and?
I ain't afraid of no ghost
Werewolf got the glicky
Also glad to see that experienced werewolf hunters know to protect others when they know one is around
>>150762233I don't have problem with having him be racist, as long it's funny racist and not finger-wagging racist.
>>150762329moldering and unchanged clothes, think man think she doesnt have a wealth score.
>>150762329Drawanon made a less stinky one
>>150762458yeah but i want to
>Matilda is Red TalonsMarckus is screwed.
What retarded elder sent a fucking red talon on a spy mission in the human world???
>>150762496exposure therapy?
WEREWOLF SEX
>>150762483>>150762496She's probably a PC Red Talon rather than your standard Red Talon given she didn't murder everyone on sight.>>150762467Silver Fang?
>Actually she's Glass WalkersOh, I don't how D figures that, but I guess Marckus is fine.
>>150762537There is no fucking way her dumb unga bunga ass is a Glass Walker. Unless she's the Wise Guy type?
>Whelp's Compromise: More an insult than a political faction, the Whelps are those rare Red Talons that see value in some human inventions and believe that not all humans should be killed. Also called the Anti-Extinction Faction.Matilda might have been apart of this camp
>>150760838>i'm lateFUCKING HELL AGHHHHHHHHHHHI have to rewatch this sometime
she's kinfolk calling it
>>150762611>Human InventionsLike Cigarettes? Matilda was a smoker after all.
>>150762802The act of smoking isn't really all that new though>>150762611A 2nd idea backing this is how Matilda said she should have done it Sting's way rather than the more peaceful method she tried earlier, so perhaps she didn't immediately want to kill the chapter house gang
>>150762496>retarded elder>garouIsn't that ALL of them in W:tA
Amanda :<
GIGA D
>that speechKino
>"physical interactions" with a glasswalkerbets on big d having fucked a werewolf?
>>150762885Amanda really got dealt a shit hand even more than a Hunter v5 pc
>>150762945almost confirmed if characters stay at a 1-1 from Emperor TTS, though Ross being an edgelord might make that difficult to prove though
>>150762945>Big D fucked werecats
OH SHIT FERA LORE
>D hiding even more informationI feel like it's becoming a bit of a tired character trope
R.I.P. GombaYou were a real one.
So how is Wernon recording this?Is he carrying around a whole phonograph and his dad just isn't questioning it?
he is a skinner holy shit
Oh man, that talk about Thiess of Kaltenbrunn in earlier threads is really funny now.Powerwolf could write a song about Kronik.
>bad fathers don't tell children all the informationThis is starting to seem like a full WoD staple, Jonas Venture tier almost
the sound effects are pretty damn horrifying, jesus
>>150763267there's some real work put into the sound department all around.Kronik and D's VA are amazing
>the kids were finekinda weird
>>150763374I assumed they kidnapped garou children to skin them easier but I suppose there was just no reason to kill them. Surprising that the insurrectionist tribe was just humans
These morons are so melodramatic>I WILL OPEN HELL TO SAVE MARCKUS>TIME TO FIGHT FOR THE WYRM >HELL IS REAL AND THE END IS HUNGRY AHHHHThey're pointing the big bad bureaucrat gun at the wolves they don't likeBoo hoo. Get over it. You have a job to do.
>>150763616That's why D is basically "fuck it we ball"
>>150763616Well, they did kidnap best punching bag. Considering how this is a 4 part story arc and the last arc went to shit real hard in the 2nd to last part I can only assume shit is going to hit the fan even worse
>Matilda is a Red Talon>has a Glass Walker & possible Silent Strider as packmates>Fatigue is descended from fucking STOLEN MOONS>Flies = Banes and Amanda & Kitten nearly walked the Spiral>D hinting even more at the Mummy theory>the Coalition is in bed with fucking Pentex and D is well aware of the existential threat of the Wyrm >the Garou get fucking called out for being noble in intent, actual dogshit in executionThis episode was a trip. >>150762537>>150762571She has a Glass Walker ally and possibly a Silent Strider as well. Matilda herself is Red Talons.
>>150763687yeah no i figured she was a red talon PC type, im finishing it up.
The second inquisition being a wrym puppet angle is fucking retarded
>>150763374>>150763406It would have been pointless to akin them before the first change. The goal was most likely to just lure out and kill the parents whilst keeping the kids as 'indurance' when thry eventually underwent their first changes.>>150763616I mean, D DOES point out that it has to be done to save Marckus. But once you get in bed with the Wyrm, it is ASTRONOMICALLY difficult, if not impossible, to cleanse yourself of it. Fatigue spent his whole life trying and he still not only furthered it's efforts via having to aid the Coalition even loosely, but because Matilda murdered him without a second thought for the crimes of his family.Joining the Wyrm is easy. Leaving it is much harder. >>150763727The Wyrm is present in literally everything, at all levels. And it's not even the Second Inquisition specifically, but organizations LIKE it.
>>150763727But makes perfect sense.
>>150763687>the Garou get fucking called out for being noble in intent, actual dogshit in executionThis happens so much in every conversation about the Garou both IC and OOC, even amongst Garou, that this isn't really a positive point in my opinion. At this point, it's the most obvious and lukewarm take anyone can have regarding WtA.
>>150763727>The Second Inquistion being in bed with the WyrmDude that's like Wyrmshit 101. Patriarch moment.
>>150763727Something Something no ethical consumption Something Something Governments are in bed with Corporations so Pentex Something Something a real World of Darkness.
>>150763780It's constantly hammered in because it's literally a crux of the setting. Maybe if they didn't send a fucking RED TALON on an infiltration and reconnaissance mission, D wouldn't have had to call them retards.
>>150763727Considering how incestuous corporations get it makes sense. Murder is one of the oldest professions
>>150763780Are you that anon who gets mad that its baked into WtA that the Wolves are inherently self defeating, and hat their original sin means they can never win.
>>150763854He probably is.
>he believes in Big Hill's propagandaishygddt
>>150763854>>150763867He reminds me of that ESL vampfag who was shitting himself in that Esoterrorists vs VTM thread on /tg/. Just an utter inability to understand or accept the realities of the setting.
>>150763727not reallywyrm cultists warping good intentions into their ends is their MOits what they do
>>150763374They wanted to civilize the savages not kill them. White man's burden and all that.
>look up Timothy Leary>infamous psychologist who pushed hallucinogenics as a cure-all>Fatigue's "dream liquid" was him drinking pure LSD
>>150763815Yeah, it's a crux of the setting, it's a basic bitch fact that everyone acknowledges, so I find it weird that you consider Garou being called out for being retarded a highlight, when everyone knows Garou are retarded. Do you cheer when someone says that the sky is blue?
RATE THE LOG.For me it's an 8/10, the expedition logs were some of the my favourite moments in any of the audio logs so far; the parts in the present chantry house were relatively boring but still interesting for the reveals.
Jesus fuck and I thought life couldn't suck more for my girl. She deserves better.
>>150763687>Fatigue is descended from fucking STOLEN MOONSI wonder how many people fall for that racket. Considering how fucked up the world of darkness is and how werewolves tend to be, less that considerate of civilian casualties, killing one for a power up must seem like a winning move.
>>150763854Yep, it's him >>150763975
>>150764013Don't worry about herSomewhere down the line she'll meet Door who will give her the TLC she desperately needs
>>150763978I enjoy it though because of the slow plot release it's moving at a very glacial pace. I hope that we actually get a new chapter by the end of the year or monthly audio logs at least instead of this quarter yearly release. I understand this was their longest yet though
>>150763975Because no matter how many times its stated or shown the schadenfreude of the idiot eco-jocks failing never gets old.
>>150764016tbf as a hunter it seems very valid to do. Sure it's fucked up and pretty evil but as an independent hunter there's very little you can do to a werewolf or a vampire without the element of surprise, which you're overwhelmingly much less likely to have against a werewolf without being one yourself. I wonder if fatigue-dad or his ancestors had an actual reason to hunt Garou the way they did. Eitherway, deserved for being retarded wolves
>>150763854>its baked into WtA that the Wolves are inherently self defeating, and hat their original sin means they can never win.lmaoif this was true the time of judgement apocalypse book would just say "you lose" instead of giving werewolves the chance to actually win in every apocalypse scenario
>>150761876I think what they're trying to do with Kronik Fatigue is show what could happen to the protagonists if they continue to work with the Wyrm-tainted Coalition, hunters with good intentions sort of who become monsters out of a desire for power to they can use to even the odds
.>Tfw no skinner hunter gf
>>150763978Oh wow his stolen moon form really does look like he's just wearing a baggy costume.
>>150764113>>150764013Amanda is dying by the end of the chapter I feel>>150764131Certainly Garou causing their own misery and downfall in a cycle is very compelling, even more so as this is a Hunter-skewed story.
>>150760838I didn't like how Wernon was guilted for his dad, uncles, and ancestor's actions. When the choice was before him, he refused it, even in the face of likely getting savagely murdered for it.
>>150764168I think it's important to note that it isn't werewolves who are winning, the majority of who are xenophobic, retarded, and perpetually salty, but rather the much more reasonable PC Garou who aren't beholden to the same schizoid grudges the rest of the tribes are
>>150764234I don’t know if you know this, but the Ogre Poppen-gang are full of faggots (actual faggots) and are extremely left-leaning. It’s natural they would include white guilt “sins of the father” Talmudic propaganda on top of 1920s colonialism (lol??).
>>150760838So is there any big-dicked werewolves in this shit or is it not worth my time?
>>150764186It parallels Big D's desire to prevent Marcus from messing around with the Arcane in the hopes that he doesn't do the same thing to himself, but D is rather hypocritical due to his somewhat nebulous supernatural nature. Should be interesting if Marcus has an awakening or realizes what D is sort of doing
>>1507639789/10. It was goddamn near-perfect for me, especially as a big fan of WTA.
>>150764168Those "victories" almost universally come at the cost of damn near all life on the planet and a tacit "you get to restart from the beginning. Don't fuck up this time" warning.
>>150760838>more amandayay
>>150764268Stig is probably a huge Red Talon fuckboy so whenever he appears, you'll have your werewolf daddy representation. Also there's seemingly a male Glass Walker involved. There's also Kronik >>150764216 if you're a physical, moral, and spiritual degen.
>>150764216I love how they make it so fucked up. Its powerful but incomplete, you can see the glass monocle eye, his blunt human hands, the sheer lack of completeness as this massive frame of power is barely being propped up with human bones far too small. An abomination in every sense of the word and yet still powerful enough to bring down a "true" child of gaia.
>>150764303nah that's literally just the free-the-wyrm-without-ananasa's-aid-to-stop-the-weaver's-ascendency pathpeople just like to consider that one canon because it's the most dramatic ending of the bunch but it's notthe optimal solutions to all of the other apocalypse scenarios aren't nearly so bad
>>150764268more like furries larping as werewolves>>150764234>>150764267Sins of the Father is actually a very common literary trope especially for works based heavily on the old testament. It's somewhat fitting for a world with vampires suffering from the sins of their father (Caine). It is somewhat cucked but it's an interesting idea. I do think that Wernon got grilled too much considering he was also a victim of his father and cooperated with the hunters
>"SOOOOON IN LAAAAAW">"TRUST MEEE">"I ONLY KNOW ABOUT HELLENISTIC LESBIAN WOLF FURRIES EATING CARPET ON AN ISLAND, I SWEAR NOTHING I KNOW IS AT ALL USEFUL AND I SHALL BE SNARKY ABOUT IT!">proceeds to explain the fucking umbra, several caerns, sorcery, mummy shit, several tribes, their whole shtick and basically tries not to remind Kitten that he lied through his fucking teeth at him and is actively contradicting himself>the only half decent thing he's done is then slap them out of a Wyrm like depression (that he then introduced)>the people who actually found the thing were Amanda and Kitten insteadI am getting so, so fucking sick of D it is unbelievable. I hope he gets a static 9 to 5 job making nike shoes or gets got by a fucking nephandi.Other than that, I fucking called it that his dad was a werewolf mid episode and I'm glad I did. I thought he was just glabro form all the time with a perk but a stolen moon is also cool as fuck. A very good episode overall and I'm glad they fixed up Kitten aesthetically and also in character to be what he is. A weird 30 year old desperate as fuck manchild who's two good qualities are moderate intellect and willpower, but besides that he's basically a neckbeard with a kevlar onesie pretending to be a cat.
>>150764400Being fair to D, the Wyrm shit was already in the air - the constant flies both in the chapter house itself AND during the expedition makes it clear it's influence is at work. It just got especially potent and nearly had Amanda and Kitten dancing the Spiral because D tried to impose upon them just how fucking awful and widespread the Wyrm's evil is. AFTER Kitten was already succumbing to it on his own, mind you.
Now we wait patiently for the Door and Boy AudiologThat being said, pretty fucked up that we've yet to get Door as a lead in these audio logs until this upcoming one
>>150764267or maybe it's reasonable that people whose children were kidnapped and lands despoiled aren't very sympathetic to the pain of the guy who helped bring that about, even if unwittingly. how were you expecting them to feel?
>>150764385Wernon has no reason to feel indebted to the Insurrectionists because of what Kronik did. If Wernon felt guilt about the werewolves’ just cause in trying to fight the Wyrm and devoted his life to helping the Garou as penance for his father murdering them, then it would make sense. Him becoming a white indentured servant in the Philippines for 20 years and viewing Wayda as his real mother is Dances With Wolves-tier and I can only hope someone on the writing team did this tongue in cheek to mock the audience who would eat that shit up.
>>150764460You’ve never shit in an outhouse during the winter and your opinion is meaningless to me. Do NOT reply to me further.
>>150764475>Wernon has no reason to feel indebted to the Insurrectionists because of what Kronik did.Trying to kill his own son I think is solid enough reason.
>>150764216>>150764344It should also be noted that Kronik managed to use a Gift to travel through the Umbra to do a sneak attack. Meaning his particular pack of Stolen Moons likely made a deal with a malefic spirit of some sort (almost assuredly a Bane) to gain such a thing, because normally, Stolen Moons are incapable of learning Gifts I that manner.>>150764475>Wernon has no reason to feel indebted to the Insurrectionists because of what Kronik did.He literally aided Kronik and probably would have fallen hook-line-and-sinker for his lies if he didn't see a ton of stuff contradicting it before then. Wayda is probably the sole reason he wasn't gutted before he woke up.
>>150764488Fuck off unmedicated schizol
>>1507639788/10 as well. Fantastic atmosphere and bonus points for being focused on my guilty pleasure WtA. The Spiral scene showing the degradation of the Wyrm's slow yet exponential corrupting influence, the Skinner scenes actually using the skinners in an incredibly fun well executed way, and Fatigues last laugh especially were perfection. I have a few minor issues with some of the writing/character choices but for the most part great. >>150763912To be fair the audiolog frames it poorly. Rewatching it I get they're going more for "Coalition is a big org so agents of the wyrm and other supernatural's manage to slip into sub-parts of it and twist smaller factions within it to further the Wyrms agendas." But the way D and Fatigue talk about it, it almost sounds like they're saying the very foundation and leadership of the Coalition are all ultimately Wrym tainted. Again I get this isn't the angle they're going for, but it was written a little weird/confusing. >>150764385I think if they gave her one little line acknowledging he rejected the legacy of his father and slight empathy towards a man who just turned on his family it would have worked a bit better. Especially for a woman he later considers to be his "true" mother.
>>150764443D insists upon himself to be a dogshit character that has as of so far openly created nothing but harm for absolutely everyone in the story as the motivator of why everything is going bad, down to him willingly copulating with 700 women and 30000 men and bragging about it to sire spawn who Hunt. Yes I am aware that this is a tragic setting but he is actively the guy who creates trouble by>introducing people actively to the paranormal without their consent>not informing shit about the paranormal when it matters>doing half baked, dogshit in execution plans all of the fucking time>eating shit because of it>licking his shit covered wounds with injured people he's grooming to become better hunters while bragging about being the superior hunter 24/7Wyrm influence was in the air because Markus got fucking got and they failed, because of D. He then, after lying about knowing anything and wouldn't reveal shit, induced terror and madness and entropy with his now loredumps about shit because he couldn't even read the room properly as to how to inform people correctly. Its still all his fault.Yes I know the story needs someone to motivate it, this is cool, but D is Dogshit. Potential Man doesn't have squat on his self fellating cuckold of a faggot raving about the powers and glory of sorcery.
>>150764498>I plant a bomb in your house>I pull you out of the house before it explodes>Bomb explodes and kills your familyAre you now indebted to me, you fuck?
>>150764521>But the way D and Fatigue talk about it, it almost sounds like they're saying the very foundation and leadership of the Coalition are all ultimately Wrym tainted. That is, in fact, the case in canon. Same shit with how the Technocracy is both subverted by the Wyrm through the Syndicate and is actively subverted by the Weaver through their own mission statement. A group like the Colaition, who makes no distinction between supernaturals, is literally Wyrm-tainted down to the fucking core. That sort of blind fanaticism tinged with bitter resentment is the exact sort of shit that creates monsters like Kronik.
>>150764344is it because he hasn't carved up enough wolves or is that how it's supposed to look
>>150764568What sort of retarded example is this? Wernon ACTIVELY PARTICIPATED AND AIDED IN THE EXPEDITION TO HUNT DOWN AND SKIN A WOLF. He aided in desecrating a Caern, which they were VERY lucky to come out the other end of, and felt insulted when he was told that it wasn't their right to violate the peace of the village tribe for the sake of their dig site. He only found out at the very end the fucking evil he was engaging in and whislt he refused it, he'd have probably just been killed or forced to partake anyway if Wayda hadn't fucking bailed him out.Wernon was in the fucking wrong, even if he didn't know it. Any sane man would have already reconsidered their journey and actions after getting a flying werewolf claw to the fucking ass.
>>150764577How it's supposed to look. Other types of Stolen Moon can look 'better' if they're just the result of unwiae deals made with malicious spirits, but skinstealers like Kronik and the uncles ALWAYS look wrong. And even the former are still treated as abominations by pretty much everyone.
>>150764577It depends on how one becomes a Stolen Moon.Pact with a wolf spirit you probably look alright, but these guys skin people (for a given value of people) hence the ficked up fursuit appearance
>>150764475Maybe a bit of both, but also the fact that his family very directly caused the suffering of the christian hunter group. I do think his guilt was overblown but then again he basically got the jesus scared into him by the delirium
>>150764616Everything you posted expressed how Wernon should feel obligated to werewolves, not the Nails of Christ. The Nails planted bombs in the ravine Wayda intentionally sent the Expedition to, with the intent to kill them, and removed Wernon before they detonated. That’s what my example is.
>>150764460But it seemed like Wayda figured out quick that Wernon was genuinely good-hearted. Then she exploded at the clearly guilt-tripping lad, even after he refused to be like his father. Just doesn't feel right to me.>>150764521I think I'd feel better about it if she decided to send Wernon home, but he himself felt so guilty that he decided to stay with them as a form of penance.
>>150764651If your father and uncles raped a bunch of hot teen poon then are you obligated to pay them child support once your family members all died?
>>150764475Is this bait or are you genuinely this daft.
>>150764668>Then she exploded at the clearly guilt-tripping lad, even after he refused to be like his father.You don't have Asian parents I take it. That was not an explosion. That was an Asian woman hitting you with a blunt I'm not mad, I'm disappointed-tone and listing off what you did wrong.
>>150764521true but then again the episode and the recording were already longer than average so they may have felt Wayda not killing Wernon was enough
>>150764697What a fucking waste of data, thanks for posting, you yabbo.
>>150764475>viewing Wayda as his real mother is Dances With Wolves-tierdon't think i didn't see you there
>>150764668>but he himself felt so guilty that he decided to stay with them as a form of penance.Seemed more like he saw the depths of evil that were on the island and how everything he had learned was lies. Seems like he needed to relearn everything as much as any penance, so might as well start with the people that killed the abomination your dad turned into
>>150764571Ok but counterpoint anon, I want a genuinely heroic tacticcool government organization to justly kill monsters on the taxpayers dollar for the good of mankind.
>>150764699But... what did he do wrong? Wanted to go on an adventure? It was his dad and his uncles who were monsters, not him.
>Wernon discourseHe didn't really have a single choice at anything and if you put him at anything but misguided youth who didn't really do shit then you're trying too hard. The most he realistically ever did was not remember the girls name (I didn't either after 5 minutes), think people here were barbaric in general (reasonable for the time and kinda went both ways), be a little bit miffed over his ass getting a new asshole and document what happened.He didn't set up explosive ambushes that killed several dozens men. He didn't rip eyes out. He didn't even manage to really fight a Woof and even if he did, with a gun they'd regenerate. He didn't kill the natives, he didn't murder anyone, he didn't abuse any of the locals even, was fairly polite to the help (unusual compared to Kronik), didn't even berate her, actually heard her out and then felt like shit.As he said, he mostly just wanted an adventure and to learn and help. He didn't do shit to help but also didn't really do shit to hurt. Hell, he actively refused the stolen moons ritual, which takes massive balls and integrity, and Wayda basically guilt tripped a foreign kid who was the son of a gun traficker into smuggling her weapons because his dad did non lethal kidnappings (with 0 fucking casualties or harm done to them by the way) while the foreign kid had literally no choice in the matter.It kinda is white guilting a kid into being a long mole in a sorcerer org so he sends you child support money when you didn't even lose a kid. Like, it feels fucking stupid.
>>150764754Then you need to look elsewhere. This is World of Darkness, not Esoterrorists. There are no "genuinely heroic tacticcool government organizations" - just different levels of Technocrat and Wyrm plants.
>>150764755>But... what did he do wrong?He was a child going into a den of wolves thinking they were puppies. When a child acts like an idiot you slap them and point out the danger.
>>150764755“Ignorance of the law is not freedom from it”. Ignorantia juris non excusat.
>>150764767>because his dad did non lethal kidnappings (with 0 fucking casualties or harm done to them by the way)He explicitly murdered the parents - several of the kids were orphaned as a result of Kronik's actions. They were bait to lure the parents out in retaliation. And assuming the kids were kinfolk with the possibility of even 1% experiencing first change, he essentially had a massive store of 'extra skins' for the foreseeable future.
>>150764564D insisting on himself in a way an older more informed elder would is actually quite a big theme in the IP, and he gets rightfully ribbed for it very often. I do think it's a tired trope but he is pretty much being RP'd about as properly as he could be considering he's probably charisma maxxed and yet has pretty low empathy
making hunters feds was always stupid as fuck since hunters are supposed to be scrappy underdogs not the CIA. picrel was made by the fed closest to figuring out the truth in oWoD btw
>>150764754The way things are built in WoD. Anyone who actively has the resources to be "tacticool" is either an useful idiot being puppeted. In on the "we are working for corporate super satan" or just firing blindly into darkness and getting into things they aren't ready to face.
A meeting between picrel and Kronik would be a contender for the most epic showdown in WoD.
>>150764755He wanted to go an adventure. He thought something that would bring real, very dire consequences to very real people would be a game for him.
>>150764798PARENTS WHO WERE COMPLICIT WITH LETTING A FUCKING WEREWOLF EXIST, THRIVE, AND EXPAND WHAT THE FUCK KIND OF APOLOGIST ARE YOU
>>150764795And I would've been fine if he was yelled at for that, but not for what his dad and uncles did.
>>150764755Being ignorant of danger and evil in oWoD often makes you just as complicit in it as anybody else. The Garou are retards, but they ARE correct that humanity are actively contributing to Gaia's decay through aiding or abetting the atrocities Pentex and other Wyrm servants perform. And that's Wernon here - a retarded kid who believed himself to be going on a fairytale adventure, whilst actively aiding in something that harmed and made the world a tangibly worse place. Just saying you're "sorry" and you "just wanted an adventure" does not change the fact that you've aided the Wyrm.
>>150764858#not_all_doggos
>>150764809I mean, dude got some legit hits in there
>>150764858A WEREWOLF WHO WAS PROTECTING ITS FUCKING TERRITORY AGAINST MURDEROUS ABOMINATIONS IN BED WITH SUPER COSMIC SATANWHAT KIND OF WYRM-WORSHIPING SNAKE ARE YOU, YOU GODDAMN PENTEX-COCK LOVING FAGGOT
>>150764858The leopoldtard seethes at ancestral traditions more efficient than his mumbling imperialism.
>>150764678if they raped a bunch of hot teen poon but also because you were facilitating it unwittingly then I think you would feel some tinge of remorse or guilt, though it'd be made somewhat worse if your father and uncles turned out to be mentally ill furries raping hot teen poon underneath your nose so that they could turn you into a mentally ill furry. Now the question is though why did Matilda off fatigue the way she did
>>150764860That's why he was allowed to live and only yelled at.Think about it. If the CCP took over, and a bunch of nosy Chinese teenagers lead by their parents went into your home, killed everyone you knew, then reveal they were here to steal your stuff, would you be placated if the kids apologize and say they didn't know? Would you show some lenience because they didn't pull the trigger and just treated you as an inferior savage? No, you'd still be fucking pissed.
I'm saddened by the lack of Werewolf Tomboy Dommy Mommies this Episode.
>>150764755his idea of an adventure was naive and clearly somewhat purposefully ignorant of how shady his father and uncles clearly were but yes, this is a valid point
>>150764881Now you’re being reductive. No young man in the ‘20s would have thought they were going on a fairytale adventure. He thought he was doing something like Henry Stanley or Charles Darwin. Either post in good faith or shut up.
>>150764907Werewolves carry grudges.
>>150764571Not nearly to the same extent you’re making it out to be/I’m talking about. There is a huge difference between something having subversive elements within/unintentionally aiding and then explicitly serving under a thing. Hell, the technocracy isn’t a weaver org even if there’s a good deal of overlap, they merely through their aims often aid her. The coalition I’d argue is similar but not nearly to the same extent. And that’s the technocracy the concept they’re nigh Pentex levels corrupted is absurd. Fighting against the Garou can be argued to be akin to fighting alongside the Wyrm like the audiolog points out. Their fanaticism as you pointed out can easily lead down that very same road absolutely. But the entire org being Pentex levels of Wyrm servants? That is quite a few degrees of separation and then some.
>>150764754WoD basically forces everyone to not be a good guy outside of sub 1% exception and even those exceptions have elements of being morally dubious or lacking in the same resources. Considering vampires and pentex control most of the financial institutions in a way
>>150764798>He explicitly murdered the parentsExcept serendipitously for the one person that mattered, Wayda and several others, while again, it not being Wernons fault whatsoever, only his dad, kids were fine, unharmed and unmolested despite the fact they could be far, far worse by people like Kronic.Wernon is innocent. Several of these people were indeed actively harboring werewolves, and were actively stopping them from being killed. In plain practical terms, the Hunt was going to kill werewolves and stop bad shit because Werewolves inevitably cause bad shit. Stolen Moon shit was bad, but even putting all of this aside, Wernon is Ingnorant, Wernon is Inocent and Wernon should not have been guilt tripped into paying philipino women child support forever because his dad and his uncles were doing fucked up shit.At that point you might as well say D should be actively milked and his milk sold because some of his sons did evil shit, one contacted the Abyss and he's dodging several chilld support fees or have him fund the Arcanum because one of his sons is british and the Celt had a starving.
>"I'm gonna steal money from tbe Chapter House, I sure do hope that doesn't hinder our operations against all the other supernatural nonsense we have to deal with here in England."
This thread
>matilda is a self-sabotaging retard because she killed a renowned werewolf expert in a hunter organisation (who was secretly an ally of werewolves due to his terrible secret past that he never shared with anyone) and because she kidnapped a hostage in an effort to try and extract information about black shuck from the hunter organisation which specialises in knowledge about the supernatural (without being aware of the fact that the organisation's knowledge is limited and now in the hands of the coalition) after the storage device containing all of that knowledge was destroyed thereby forcing her to find an alternative way of getting that informationAs a solitary infiltrator, Matilda did the best that she could with the resources that she had. She could have only done better if she somehow learned Fatigue's deepest, darkest secrets in advance, or if she predicted that she would be unable to maintain her deep cover and ruined her disguise and infiltration to abscond with a living Fatigue.
>>150764907Matilda's a Red Talon. Even ignoring she'd need little reason to want to murder humans anyway, Fatigue's family line is stained in atrocities and woof blood. The fact Matilda hadn't immediately killed him the instant she started working there is a testament to her sheer self control.>>150764931Retard.
>>150764678>>150764907In other words, in the metaphor, he wasn't doing the raping, but here was the water boy when they needed hydration, and unknowingly helped carry bodies packed into suitcases to the trunk of the car.
>>150764767Well, keep in mind that the religious zealot hunters are also not the good guys and suddenly the lady guilt tripping him also makes sense. He does owe her for being spared twice despite coming from a very fucked lineage
>>150764948>Werewolves inevitably cause bad shit
>>150764948He’s a white male imperialist chud who knows only English and couldn’t even pronounce Kinaray-a. That cracker is guilty.
>>150764957>I sure do hope that doesn't hinder our operations against all the other supernatural nonsense we have to deal with here in EnglandSo far it has not. The Coalition did more damage with one floppy disk than any amount of smuggling Fatigue did.
>>150764807And it makes him a dogshit character. I don't care if claptrap from borderlands is a well executed chatty moron archetype fitting the theme in the IP, it makes for a dogshit character. He's both becoming too predictable and also holy shit so goddamn annoying to exist while basically being the main protagonist.
>>150764881>>150764903Garou are retards responsible for all of the evil in the world. The objectively correct and morally best thing to do is fucking wipe every last one of them out.
>>150764809The Requiem and latest hunter book talk about big hunter orgs being involved with the feds also
>>150765006t. wyrmchud.
>>150764937>Hell, the technocracy isn’t a weaver org even if there’s a good deal of overlap, they merely through their aims often aid her.The Technocracy are pure fucking Stasis and their victory is synonymous with a Weaver victory where all imagination and individuality get snuffed out. Explicitly so, even. They are also LITERALLY in bed with Pentex through the Syndicste and they'd cease to be the Technocratic Union if they ever tried to excise them. The Technocracy are so fucking compromised that fucking Threat Null is entirely the result of said corruption taking on a life of its own.The Technocracy are the most blatant example of pure Triat corruption in the entire setting, outside of the ones literally tonguing the Wyrm's asshole.>>150764948Bane claws typed this post.
>>150765006Reminder that Wernon deserved his indentured servitude for being the son of Kronik but green-nailed werewolf is a dindu despite the Impergium.
>>150765006Fuck off, PENTEX
>>150764948>In plain practical terms, the Hunt was going to kill werewolves and stop bad shitNo, it was going to upset the balance. Remember the Gangrel vampire markings they found? And how they didn't notice it? That's basically Hunters in a nutshell, they walk into an existing war, and make it infinitely worse by picking a target and shooting. Remember this also happens in the game Vampire: Bloodlines. When the hunters show up, they don't go after the Sabbat, or investigate the sarcophagus. They go after LaCroix by making your unlife an unliving hell.
>>150765026Retard.
Seen threads about this before and considering giving this a watch. How much of the lore do I need to know to start watching this?
>>150765040Oh yeah, the Gangrel thing makes it really fucking clear the Woofs were keeping those bastards in check before Kronik showed up and started fucking everything up. God knows how entrenched they ended up getting into the local area thanks to his sabotage.
>>150762945Consider Mr not!lemanruss exist yes 100%
>>150765062none, it will teach you the lore
>>150765062It's basically a lore dump so you don't have to. They're filling everything you'll need to know later in this episode.
>>150765040You’re right, Bach should have wasted his mortal life doing the hotel level and getting BTFO, or kidnap the foremost expert on the sarcophagus—oh wait, he did that—instead of trying to kill the vampire that has regularly killed his family.
>>150765006Ackuchally Cain killing Able and introducing murder into the world caused a ripple effect that awakened sentience in The Triat that were formerly just unthinking forces and led to things going off the rails.All issues in WoD can in one way or another be traced back to the First Murder.
>>150765081Am I the Triat’s keeper?
>>150765026>actively (if unknowingly) participating in a quest that leads the death and exploitation and suffering of the native population with the sole goal of empowering you is morally equivalent to being the extremely distant descendant of assholes who did horrible shit ten thousand years ago without the knowledge that you would ever exist
>>150765071Does the carpet match the drapes?
>>150765071Consensus is she's the ghoul, right?
>>150764964Pretty much yes, he was involved even if somewhat unwillingly. He only realized the extent to which he was involved after everything came together>>150764990Yes, I agree. It is overplayed and somewhat actively damaging the show but he has his moments and I believe it'll come to a pay off when he gets grilled by Markus and the rest of the family for how much danger he put them in without properly instructing them, assuming Markus doesn't die or become insane. I think when the rest of his kids come in there will be payoff to how much information he was withholding
>>150764979Impergium. Red Talons. Basically every single slaughter or mine explosion that kills people needlessly, makes the factories print new materials, forces new human capital, strains the enviorenment and worsens things. Asshole behaviour constantly, near 0 diplomacy, active rape and kidnappings depending on the tribe, active infighting, actively degrading most of their people due to tribe politics, very little to no wyld or weaver action, mostly wyrm (rage).The history and actions of the wolves is failure. They are failure. There is going to be an apocalypse before.>>150765040The balance that the Wolfs themselves have destroyed with the War of Rage and the Impergium and every single Wyrm (rage) filled action, and despite them being able to also completely fuck up basically any vamp, they haven't even wiped them out as dudes who're meant to kill the Wyrm.Balance my ass. The balance would be to wipe those out, help shit, properly do things. And even in Bloodlines, Bach kidnapped the expert, tried to get information, tried to do a plan, summoned allies, got shit happening, killed an elder and was a strong ass threat to people. He was literally doing good work.
>>150765081The Triat becoming unbalanced happened long before Cain was even a twinkle in his father's cock. All Cain did was simply make it worse, something which the Garou are likewise guilty of along with literally everyone and everything else ever.
>>150765095That’s what I posted, yes.
I haven't watched the episode yet so reading this thread I have no idea what everyone is arguing about. D hiding the truth and endangering other people with it seems like its a fucking theme at this point. it made a bit of sense with marcus because marcus is the type to make a deal with the devil/totally be down to be embraced without considering the ramifications if he gets more forbidden knowledge out of it, but the way D goes about it is the worse possible way and just drives marcus away to practice his "research" in secret, and during the lockdown he endangered people by giving vague details and not being upfront about how it could possibly not be a ghoul because he doesn't want people to know more than necessary, which results in fatigue being killed. I get why people are done with his bullshit. I hope nothing bad happens to miranda
>>150765015>>150765037Point out ONE, just ONE good thing that the Garou have ever done.
>>150765099she totally fucking is she resisted delirium and had the smokes.
>>150765132>>150765099Elise is the ghoul, Grimal was dominated by Elise. Grimal and Brok had Delirium, but their Delirium causes them to attack the werewolf.
>>150765040>>150765079Bach was living in his own cycles of vengeance and was too blind to be reasoned with, but that's more or less how the property treats established characters
>>150765108>Every single slaughter or mine explosion that kills people needlessly. Nice delusion, wyrmcuck. >>150765115They kill Wyrggers.
>>150765062Start watching from the start, some of the lore dump chapters can be skipped as the character drama and the dialogue is really good until you get confused over who's doing what and the terminology in which case you watch the lore chapters. Starting from chapter 3 the lore dump audiologs actually contain relevant story beats that get followed up on in a later event. Even 1.2 is somewhat relevant but they give you a recap on it
>>150765143This post was made by vampire hands.
>>150765108>they haven't even wiped them out as dudes who're meant to kill the Wyrm.A single Methuseoah could genocide an entire tribe in a fortnight. Baba Yaga has a stranglehold over all of Russia despite the Garou having fought her for well over a decade because they'll literally can't do anything to her - her defeat was entirely the result of Vasilisa, an even MORE ancient and powerful Methuselah, waking up and just eating her alive before leaving again.The only reason the Garou's war against the licks isn't completely onesided is because the elders and 4th gens don't fucking care about them.
>>150765064>>150765081Way to take what I said in completely the wrong way. In both cases, they didn't do their research, they went in, started blasting, and got their asses beat by supernatural forces they barely understood.Kronik's dead. Fatigue realized all his collated knowledge was built on falsehoods, and people who saved his life were the same people that tried to blow him up. You can't fuck up much harder than these hunters.Bach is dead. He went after a nutjob, and when that didn't work, he went after a Nosferatu hoping to lure LaCroix out, and instead got you again. He got him and his hunters killed by a no-name lick because he didn't put feelers out to find out what's happening in the city, just went for the throat and realized too late that wasn't a throat. It was a toe.>>150765108>Balance my ass.Balance as in stalemate. Clearly there was conflict between the werewolves and vampires with neither side being in clear advantage. Gangrel taking over the island from lack of werewolves would have not been a nice ending for the locals, or Fatigue.
>>150765112I agree, Wernon's active participation in his father's expedition and his viewing of the world as a playground for his childish adventures does make him partially culpable. Just because he grows a spine and is horrified when he realises that people were hurt and killed and tortured because of him, that doesn't remove the fact that he was an entitled child with no respect for the native population until that point. This has nothing in common with 20th century Garou who aren't remotely responsible for what their ancestors did ten thousand years before they were ever alive.I'm glad we see eye-to-eye.
>>150765164BUT THAT’S NOT WHAT TG TOLD ME
>>150765066He isn't confirmed to be related but I think it's very likely. I expect him to show up soon though not next chapter necessarily. I think after this is Door and Boy in O'Tully's and then it's chapter 6 or the prelude to 6
>>150765158(Nobody tell the furry that the Rage is literally just Wyrmish energy, he'll figure it out once he starts dancing the spiral)
>>150764754that NuWoD 3rd tier Hunter org
>>150762293>>150762304Rate my Bone gnawer
>>150765185/tg/ is full of retards and even though the magefags are gone, all sorts of other secondary faggots are there to fill the hole they left. It's hardly a reliable source.
>>150765164I said wiped them out in reference to the forest vampires dude. I'm not fucking stupid, you're not having a woof beating a methuselah, that's a given but if they can't beat some random shifting lick fucks around a jungle, their goddamn domain, then I dunno what the fuck to tell you dude, they are failing.
>>150765181Right. That’s why I’m so glad no one alive today believes dogshit like “hereditary sin”. Could you imagine a religious sect that believes everyone alive is inherently wicked because Adam was pussywhipped by Eve? It would create a culture filled with people who feel the need to apologize for things that they themselves aren’t even culpable for.Like listening and trusting their father.
>>150765099>>150765142I think this is likely, a TREMERE ghoul is rather likely to possess dominate if their sire wills it which would help out in the whole spy thing going on, though maybe the whole ghoul thing seems like small stuff with the werewolf stuff going on. There's a lot of red herrings happening at the same time, Kevin hasn't exactly had contact with the Tremere in a lengthy time
>>150765196>he thinks all of the Wyrm is a malignant force.
>>150765218They clearly did wipe out that Gangrel encampment though. It's just that leeches are vermin and it's impossible to get all of them. A single one escaping means it takes less than a couple years for their numbers to swell again. It also doesn't help that foreigners were bringing in additional monsters on top of that, which is the whole point of the Nails of Christ - to beat those back where they appear.
>>15076521310/10 crustpunk if guy7/10 if girl (reminds me to much of the NEET Girl everyone calls a tranny)
>>150765163No such thing as vampires, only succulent apes
>>150765213looks like (s?)he sucks dick at truck stop. Probably has venereal diseases. Seems like the type of fucker who would buy you cigarettes or beer if you were a kid for twenty bucks. Oddly reminds me of Murdoc.
>>150765238Since Elise pops out of the shadows sometimes (ontenebration) and has dominate, she’s probably a Lasombra ghoul.
>>150765175The Werewolf-Vampire balance is probably more predicated on neither the werewolves or the vampires really caring about each other as they have their own personal problems they're running around with
>>150764948>one of his sons is britishgood lord.we need to put a stop to this man immediately
>>150765293And you really think the paranoid fucks won't jump at a chance to take over when hunters wipe out the competition for them? It's worse that the conflict is between the most violent and impulsive of the vampire clans and the werewolf tribes respectively. You can be sure they won't be subtle about it.
>>150765287>Lasombra ghoul casually abusing obtenebrationThat'd actually be some pretty based foreshadowing if it leads to the Lasombra showing up though Kevin was very insistent that it was the Tremmy's
>>150765251The problem with that excuse is that no, it isn't impossible to get basically all of them, because its the fucking jungle and Woofs got about 200 gifts, shapeshifting, can smell corrupting a mile away, cannot be hurt by most anything in Crinos and let those guys even exist to begin with around their lands, perfect for woof supremacy.Like I'm fucking sorry, Werewolf claws, regen, spirit gifts, the fact apeboy motherfuckers sleep during the day and more, there shouldn't even be a hint of vamps around to begin with that they had made a camp.In the middle of a CCTV dystopia like London, sure, I can believe an initiate woof couldn't kill the Demon that was Margaret Thatcher, but this is a fucking pack of Wyrm stinking dipshit ass shifters in the middle of the jungle, they shouldn't even have been able to make camp.
>>150765293In most depictions of WoD from the Vampire perspective unless they are a Gangrel most don't leave the cities because of the threat of Wolves. So them being around at least gives off the cultural pressure that keeps licks bottled up for the most part.
>>150765308this but unironicallyhunter the reckoning works because your pcs don’t know shithunter the parenting is rapidly becoming ass because d knows too much
>>150765330Sure but it's relatively more small-scale compared to the larger plot I feel
>strokegarou are the good guys saving the world from evil satanic corporations that want to bring about the apocalypse and they are the one thing standing between gaia and annihilation>brokegarou are retarded monsters responsible for wrecking the world and for making the world a shitty place and everything would be better without them they deserve extinction>wokegarou are well-intentioned but they are retards responsible for a lot of heinous shit and they can't be trusted to save the world due to their fucked-up priorities and retardation>bespokegarou are fighting the good fight despite all of their faults and though they have fucked up on countless occasions the apocalypse would have happened a long time ago without them
>>150765363>deathstrokegarou are furfags
>>150765062personally, i manage just fine with having played VTMB, having read a dozen whitewolf wiki entries, and occasionally popping in VTMB threads.there's a LOT of teminology being thrown around, but i personally just gloss over the specifics like ultra-specific details, like this clan being native of this country or whatever.they explain a lot in the series anyway
>>150765343D is almost certainly a Mummy. If he DIDN'T know a lot, it would be far more immersion breaking. Also if he didn't know a lot, his family would have died in episode 1 and we wouldn't have a series.
>>150765340Reminds me of the posts where your average inner city vamp is dealing with some inane shit while the Nos in the underground warrens are dealing with Tzimisce, ghosts, zombies, and god knows what else like they're playing doom
>>150765020Again, example of weaver alignment and corruption but not servants if you’re doing the technocracy and the other splats a disservice if you purely view things through the lens of the Garou. I absolutely do agree that the technocracy is Weaver aligned I literally said so. But the technocracy is not a monolithic organization. It does not act explicitly in service of the weaver (intentionally) their world view and goals are shaped far more by their context as “enlightened scientists”. The relationship between the technocracy, Pentex, and the Syndicate are far more nuanced and hush hush than you’re giving credit for, they’re not super buddy buddy work together all the time. I could go on by even beyond all that my point still stands that the Coalition is LEAGUES of degrees of separation from the Wyrm compared to Pentex and not even on the same level as the technocracy is with the weaver.
>>150765252Kiss em and see how you feel afterwards
>>150765363>W:tA perspective>M:tA perspective>H:tA perspective>meme shit no one thinks
>>150765348Of course it is. This was never meant to be a massive plot point, it was setting the scene to explain why Fatigue is the way he is.
>Makes Fatigue drink pissBased
>>150765363>actually thinking for a minuteThe Garou can be useful but they usually aren't, and they need a buckshot full of silver to the nuts if they're misbehaving, and like 95% of them can be killed to no real damage to reality, keep the children of gaia and the glass walkers and you're practically done until White Wolf wants to do some wholesome pagan dicksucking.Whenever they aren't being murderous rapist propaganda'd morons, they're useful allies and they can legitimately do an amazing ammount of good, but holy fucking shit the world would be better with everyone inherently knowing how to strip them of their powers because Epsteins Island and the Holocaust don't have fucking shit on the Impergium and how long its lasted and what they did there.
>>150765382Would you be able to point me to said post? Sounds hilarious.
>>150765436>Wernon’s father almost made him “drink the piss” with skinning and being a manpottery
>>150765381Well, to be fair to D, he seems to be mostly inducting his family with safe-ish low level vampire hunts and looking for Fae except for when Markus fucked everything up with trying out magic or something. D seems relatively unprepared for what he doesn't actually know (magic) or what he doesn't expect, but I do think he's a mummy of sorts
>>150765442that's just a wordier version of woke
>>150765446Shit it was either in the /tg/ threads or one of the very old HtP threads here back when chapter 5 aired. I wish I saved it though it was phenomenally kek. Will try to find
I miss Horse.
>>150765474Woke is>garou are well-intentioned but they are retards responsible for a lot of heinous shit and they can't be trusted to save the world due to their fucked-up priorities and retardationWhat I'm saying is>garou are usually badly intentioned and can't be trusted despite sometimes doing good, genocide every clan except glass and gaia, tell everyone how to kill them, they did 9 gorillion Epsteins Holocausts
>>150764564The vibe I get is that D knows more than everyone else, but half of it is wrong. Like, you know that meme about fantasy adventurers not knowing that helping Farmer John pick apples is a questline that will lead to them fighting God while the treacherous path to the necromancer is a steady but boring climb? It feels like D is constantly stumbling into Farmer John quests not realizing it's tied to much deeper shit and doing damage control after.
>>150763760>Joining the Wyrm is easy. Leaving it is much harder.Intentionally so, even.
>>150765518through the entirety of history humanity has done 9 gorillion epsteins holocausts to itself thoughshould you be judged according to the actions of all of your ancestors going back to prehistory?
>>150765547Red Talons think so.
>>150765527D very much seems to want his family to learn about the supernatural at a slow steady pace the he got to learn with seeing as how he's immortal with a poor sense of time (Markus is 30 and D treats him like he's 14 or so), but he seems genuinely ignorant of certain stuff too
What's the strategy for raiding a Werewolf-filled forest? Set fire to the place and shoot whoever pops out of the bushes with Silver?
>>150765577What sort of budget are we dealing with and how dirty are we willing to get, on a scale of "no collateral damage allowed" to "I will sell my soul and the souls of everyone dear to me to whoever will grant me a nugget of power?"
gomba reminds me of that coked up pentex guard from the kevin vid. that can't be good
>>150765480>Will try to findThank you!
>>150765527>The vibe I get is that D knows more than everyone else, but half of it is wrong.The problem lies with the fact that's objectively wrong and he knows and acts as basically the settings Lore dude and is taken incredibly seriously as he knows basically everything, even shit about the abyss, wyrm, sorcery, magicks, fae and more. He's not wrong about anything in particular and withholds information constantly, he's rarely incorrect in lore, he's at most not willing to divulge or has some details off with his perspective.>>150765547No, they haven't. They have done several epsteins, yes and a single actual holocaust. They have done genocides on some areas, but the most notable ones are basically still nothing major.The Impergium was so bad, the spiritual DNA of the fucking Human Race carries trauma. In Deltarune, the Dreemur household had a divorce so bad the TV got fucking seperation trauma, in WtA, the werewolves raped, murdered, cucked, mutilated, terrified and generally were such horrid, Nephandi like bastards to the entirety of humanity that the Delirium persists.No fucking Jewish man descended from people in the Holocaust gets anything close to the Delirium seeing a nazi nigga. Humanity didn't even get fucking close to the shit the wolves did.
>>150765568that's why red talons are written as fucking morons and red talon PCs are expected to realise this and try to reform their tribethough that's redundant because the PCs are expected to try to reform every aspect of garou society because that's the intended gameplay loop
>>150765577>Werewolf-filled forestThey don't actually live in the forest but you'd basically have to go scorched earth with an army division if you want to take on more than a small number>>150765624that same model of dude is showing up later for the coalition
>>150765610I think we're good as long as it's nothing that leaves a permanent scar on the English countryside.
Can someone explain this fucking thing. I think i'm going insane trying to remember if this was ever mentioned.
Fuck yeah! New Hunter contecnt! Thought I would have to wait until Halloween.Rate my Nossie (also known as I_am_a_Shark in the Schreck.net threads)
>>150765459>>150765527>>150765574Mummies are highly experienced and incredibly knowledgeable as well as genuinely the most good-natured and heroic faction in the entirety of oWoD. But they are neither omniscient nor fully aware of the ins-and-outs of every other splat. D has traveled the world and encountered pretty much all manner of supernatural, benign and ill, but there's clearly still shit he hasn't witnessed or ever accounted for. Like, I doubt he's ever seen someone like Voormas before or met a Celestine. Much like any Mummy, his immortality and sheer experience give him a LOT of knowledge but some of it is subject to being his own interpretation of something and he might also be working off of occasionally outdated info.Compare how quickly he assumes "GAROU-VAMP MONSTER" when Amanda talks about a movie and needs to chill out to how he pieces it together nigh-instantly that there was a Gangrel camp that the expedition encountered rather than werewolves.
>>150765671Literally there just to fuck with you and potentially mascot energy, will likely get deleted soon as it was a preview gag. Move on, anyone with two braincells who doesn't do deltarune theories for a living is ignoring it.>>150765672Pretty damn cool Anon.
>>150765442Nah, kill the CoG. Keep the Glass Walkers and Get of Fenris leading the Garou Nation.
>>150765671It has never been mentioned, shown, or alluded to ever before.I have no idea what it is.
Part of me was hoping Big D would mention the Bear Lodge, but I'd imagine they'd definitely not get along.
I could have done without the white guilt anti-colonial narrative.
>>150765726>letting the Get lead>letting the Get do anythingAre you insane
>>150765213Androgynous enough I'll feel slightly depraved for the fucking. 10/10 would guess their genitals with a coin flip.
>>150765781Truth hurts
>>150765781It seems par for the course for a flashback in that time period. It was cringe though I don't think it was poorly done or outstayed its welcome
>>150765671Changeling, the reason no one's ever brought him up is because whenever he's not around they forget he exists due to the mists
>>150764662Actually it was pointed out that NONE of his family were there at the site of the explosion.The people who died there were the workers they brought.
>>150765667Inform Pentex so that they can call in a First Team. They'll bring in specialised fomori designed for tracking and killing werewolves and elite Delirium-resistant troopers equipped with silver ammunition and Wyrmish fetishes. They might even call in a Black Spiral Dancer or two, if the threat is great enough.They'll probably want to buy out the forest after they've cleared it of werewolves and turn it into a warehouse, landfill or factory, but the initial damage wouldn't be too severe.
>>150765802Whats wrong with the get?
>>150765878They're one of the tribes that people like to negatively stereotype as much as possible, so expect a whole bunch of ranting about how they're retarded barbarian marauders who try to solve every problem with mindless violence and make everything a million times worse, all of the typical complaints about Garou multiplied by a thousand.
>D's cut has scabbed over and healed in what was basically the later hours of the same dayIncreasingly pointing towards a Mummy or otherwise something supernatural
>>150765781You got 20 years of a British man's life condensed into 2 hours, you're asking for the impossible.
this episode gives me the idea of a W;tA game where the players are werewolf outcasts and are masquerading as hunters to fit in somewhere and fight the supernatural with some allies
>>150762293>>150762471Fucking bone gnawer, mutts of the garou! So muttly the vampires dont even bother them squatting in the back alleys with the half bloods!>>150762467Fuckjng glass walkers. They sit by in their penthouses sipping champagne when they should be drinking blood of the wyrm! On stand by in case Gaia needs needs a lawyer or hot stock tips!
>>150765904Oh I though they were the racist ones people on /tg/ like to meme about or redditors complain about
>>150765878All the problems of incest condensed into a tribe of furries. Compelled to rule, cursed to go insane. Probably fuck their siblings
>>150765920H:tP and Norfolk Wizard game has a lot of potential with its formula and cast I'd like to see them do other splats yeah
>>150765781This, very disappointing they’re engaging in anti-white racism
>>150765931>Werewolf furry incest tooThat's kind of funny to hear about. I remember a lot of discussions on /co/ and /tg/ about the werewolf breeding slaves and Metis
>>150765942Not anti-white. Just anti-British
>>150760838Probably the worst episode so far in my opinion. The reaction to the "umbra" and Fatigue Sr.'s actions seem a little hammed up and out of place. Big D. makes the umbra sound like it should be some kind of earth shattering revelation, but then when he is done explaining I am left with a "That's it?" while Kitten and Amanda are freaking out over what feels like nothing. Fatigue Sr. is certainly not a saint or anything, but if we take what we know about vampires and naively apply it to werewolves (which is a reasonable thing to do with this whole "hunters have limited information" thing) his actions become fairly defensible. Also, werewolves in this setting are kinda cringe, from the sound of it.I give the episode a 7/10.
>>150765926They're the stereotypical Norse Germanic Viking tribe and a small bunch of them signed up with the Nazis during WW2. No one on 4chan gives a shit about that, but they do get a lot of shit for being more war-like than any other Garou tribe.
>>150762483How many will checks do you think it would have been for Matilda to not have murdered everyone instantly?
>>150765942>lefty somewhat gay production groupSeems obvious it's bound to come up at some point but at least the white guilt colonialism narrative is relatively old
>>150762483>screwedProbably
>>150765963A Will check every second.
>>150765958Werewolves in the entirety of WoD are cringekino, so yeah that's pretty accurate. I like the sound design though, feels a lot more refined than previous episodes>>150765963Probably at least once per day considering Fatigue and probably at least once everytime Blacklaw calls her "the help"
>>150765958>Fatigue Sr. is certainly not a saint or anything, but if we take what we know about vampires and naively apply it to werewolves (which is a reasonable thing to do with this whole "hunters have limited information" thing) his actions become fairly defensible.What's defensible about kidnapping a heap of children and killing their parents in order to capture, torture and skin a non-problematic werewolf alive in order to bestow your son with its power, for the sole purpose of empowering him to kill more werewolves?
>>150765826I am so fucking tired of /co/mblr
>>150765966It’s fucking 2025, they should take the goddamn hint that this trash isn’t acceptable anymore
>>150766012How do you know there is such a thing as a "non-problematic werewolf"? Remember, hunters don't have your wiki to consult, hence the "if we take what we know about vampires and naively apply it to werewolves". I actually raised my eyebrows a bit when Fatigue Sr. told us/jr. that the children were alive.
>>150762537He can smell the borguise
>>150765958>Fatigue Sr. is certainly not a saint or anything, but if we take what we know about vampires and naively apply it to werewolves his actions become fairly defensible.Maybe if you're a fucking pussy. That's like saying you should get embraced so you can kill more vampires. Loser mentality.
>>150765723thanks, so far he's only been played as an NPC antagonist. But with a little luck there will probably be an occasion for me to play him out of online rp forum
>>150766012>non-problematic werewolfA bit of an oxymoron, but we don't know the details that pushed Fatigue Sr. into werewolf hunting. He may have had a disastrous encounter that pushed him towards his crazy insanity
>>150766063If there's no record of the local werewolf actually causing any problems for the native population, then it's not a problem. Simple as that, I guess.
>>150765931>>150765946That's the Silver Fangs you're thinking of
>>150766051It's more of a literary tradition than pushing white guilt I think but you have a fair point, it was overly political>>150766071closer to the vampire hunter that ghoul'd himself to be more efficient and get more vampire blood
>Matilda listening to a podcastThat's kind of funny
>WOD fans when it turns out the game with anti colonial themes has anti colonial themesVampire and Hunter doesnt really have it but like Mage and Werewolf have Dreamspeakers and Wendigo/Uktena respectively who are literally the "indigenous tribe who we lumped into a single thing because we're Europeans who don't really give a fuck". It comes with the territory im afraid.
>>150765958>Big D. makes the umbra sound like it should be some kind of earth shattering revelationIt is, he gave a cliff notes version that is so simplified it is borderline wrong; and skipped it because explaining it would take more than 2 hours.>Fatigue Sr. is certainly not a saint or anything, but if we take what we know about vampires and naively apply it to werewolves his actions become fairly defensible.If you know what he does, you know for a fact it's not. If you don't know, he's giving out red flags even before the atrocities that he's not right in the head.>Also, werewolves in this setting are kinda cringe, from the sound of it.There are werewolves who attain magic powers by worshipping money, and building a muscle car and using it to drive through the Umbra. This is clown world remember?
Fatigue Sr seems a bit silly. He's rich and British, why waste time with stealing Werewolf powers when you can just buy a few Silver mines?
>>150766166because MUH TRADITION, this was a family thing, he clearly was buying into the hype his family offered while wearing a pelt.
>>150766166Because he's British. Killing something isn't enough, you need to utterly dominate it, subjugate it, conquer it and make it yours.
>>150766142>TFW never have pelvis breaking mating seggs with a tomboy Weremommy in the back of her musclecar.
>>150766095Stolen Moons are generally kinfolk who either out of deep seated resentment, envy, or just plain abuse due to their failure to attain first change turn towards dubious or illicit means of attaining the might of the Garou. Notably, it's possible to be a Stolen Moon WITHOUT committing blind atrocities and the Garou will often be forgiving enough to give you a chance at redemption, specifically if you attained your for, via getting tricked by an evil spirit. That is not what Kronik did - he performed a vile ritual to torture, murder, and skin Garou to claim their power and shape. And given Stolen Moons normally can't gain Gifts (even the ones who are 'forgiven') because spirits avoid them like the plague, he was probably in bed with actual Banes or other Wyrm spirits too.The man was evil as shit, regardless of his formative circumstances.
>>150766140Frankly, the truth is that the Dreamspeakers objectively *are* like 6000 mages tops, each from another isolated bumfuck middle of nowhere spirit based tribe that don't have political accumen or presence and are barking up trees most nobody gives a shit about. Nobody really gives a fuck if a Dreamspeaker is from Goa, Ghana or Djibuti, nobody cares for a dude whos from the amazons, none of them have a connecting tissue to work from or cultural fortress to rely upon, and their work is not appreciated, weird and frankly, they're stronger together as an organization, disparate as it is versus being completely ignored, the Dreamspeakers title is frankly a blessing.Much the same with how the Wendigo/Uktena are basically just a small micro tribe in reality, they aren't actually that relevant whatsoever in the larger scheme of it. Like okay, you're dudes who were in America, that's not where most mages and werewolves were and did shit and where stuff happened and they didn't really have that many numbers before settlers and shit dude.WoD tries a little too hard sometimes to justify the neo pagans and animists when they're pretty low tier in general. I don't blame them, their audience has always been what it's been, but we can improve over time and realize some stuff is hippie reactionism rather than having any real substance today, especially when taking shit within the game seriously.
>>150766051>>150766115When it came to being colonial overseers, the British were god awful at it. The only people that were worse were the Belgians and the Dutch, and that's not a high bar. That's not political bullcrap, that's history.
>>150766248The british never brought civilization to India because the british were never civilized in the first place.
>>150766019You should return to xitter with your fellow bots
>>150762496Logically, he probably thought the worst and that Matilda was going into a den of deranged werewolf hunters and secret ghouls. He might not have known that the Arcanum are mostly academics that swear off direct action or even most prevention. Likely, he saw Fatigue and the Lovelaws and thought it was going to be a bloody fight not realizing that Fatigue was a geriatric and taking a path of redemption and the Lovelaws were more interested in chest beating than thinking about the Garou.Knowing this series, likely all the werewolves were at a 00 thing like an Nsync concert or the elder thought being a maid would teach Matilda human things like how to clean up when she spray marks the room or to observe how humans dont shit on the floor.
>>150766194That does tie into British ancestry. They were pretty messed up people>If they killed someone, their trophy wasn't the skull. They'd scoop out the brain, roll it into lyme, and keep the round ball of brain cement as a prize>Druids used magic by skinning animals, wearing their still bleeding pelts, and sleeping under a tree to get magic visions.
>>150766221>local man becomes a monster in his attempt to fight monstersSomewhat compelling
>>150766317Literally what Marcus tried to do and what Big D warns against. The cost is never worth it, and the only ones who don't regret it have lost too much of their sanity to feel regret.Quite certain Fatigue is either in the worst hell of the Umbra, or getting smashed into currency in the ghost world
>>150766306very kek, though I don't think Matilda is actually a Red Talon. Do they usually mark themselves like that?
So "soon" we're going to be meeting the representatives from the Coalition. Considering the concept art we've seen of the modern SoL soldiers being exclusively women who look like various types of dykes, I don't think they're ever going to get better representation than Gomba.
>>150763687>>the CoalitionFor a minute I got confused with thr Illonois future Nazis.
>>150766317They bring that topic up a lot and D argues against it every time. He was pretty straight to Kitten about how being a Ghoul Hunter is a kind of shit deal despite the handful of benefits you get.
>>150766244Nice dubs. I do get the neo pagan and animist stuff but it kinda comes with the territory in werewolf and to a lesser extent mage with spirits being a common fact of life. Like there are people who are shintoist or vodun or whatever who actually believe in spirits being real and WoD's always tried for a similar thing to capeshit where its "sorta the world outside your door BUT" so you need to address people who actually believe in this shit given WoD likes to associate real cultures and movements in its games. Ravnos being the prime example for VTM but to lesser extents>Fianna >Get of Fenris >Ahl-i-Batin>Kuei Jinetc. I feel WoD can be very ham handed Werewolf and Mage especially against Modernity and the issues of the world altering all around us and depicting them as two dimensional villains who are soulless bugmen types. But that sorta comes with the territory of WoD, its very gonzo shit so you gotta take the good with the bad (or just house rules it out)
>>150766334Outside of the vampire vitae Marcus seems much more reasonable in his pursuit of arcane means a lot like Occam who's a sorcerer and not an insane monster. It's more like D pushes Marcus away from reasonable means to express his interest like sorcery he should surely know of versus letting him play around with weird books and things he doesn't understand unguided. One of D's many failings as a father considering>Marcus's direct brother got sent to the Fae realm for who knows how long>At least one ex-child is probably a Garou or a willing vampire
>they used the emperor's throne music when paying respect to Ape Boygot a chuckle out of me it did it did
>>150766386D also doesn't really provide alternatives though. That being said though a ghoul hunter is probably a much better deal that just being some dude that gets victimized every other fight
>>150766244A lot of this shit works within the conceit of the setting. The World of Darkness can be a bit of a clown world at times, but each game's clown shit makes sense within the context of that game. Sure, the Wendigo and Uktena tribes might seem silly and cringe from the perspective of someone who got into the World of Darkness through Vampire the Masquerade, but they work within the context of Werewolf the Apocalypse and fulfil valuable roles if you commit to the bit and go with the flow of the game.Even the supposedly serious and gritty Vampire the Masquerade comes across as campy and silly if I don't put in the effort of immersing myself and accepting the silly assumptions that the game's built on.
>>150766340Many Garou actually do have their clan marks physically tattooed on their bodies.
>>150766396>Marcus seems much more reasonable in his pursuit of arcane means>Same kid who used magic to make contact with an elder god that could snuff out Earth with a thought>Used a rite without knowing it to get Slackjaw sick and blow up his knifeMarcus has lots of potential, and doesn't know his own strength. Big D pushes him away so he doesn't accidentally the planet.
>>150766440Sounds a lot more like carved into her back>>150766393I think the good and the bad both come together to make the IP particularly unique in a goofy fun way while still managing to maintain their personal horror focus. A lot of the clones kind of fail to capture the same level of autistic focus on having genuine monsters around
>>150766423It feels like he's too cagey about what he seems to know Hunters can use fairly reliably without fucking with their enemies' shit.
>>150766465When did the 2nd part happen? Was that back during the ghoul dogs? I hope Marcus goes beyond being a funny jobber though
>>150766486Yes, he's certainly scared of sorcery in some way despite that he should know and prepare his family to use or protect themselves against sorcery. Maybe he considers it a slippery slope to slobbing on vampire juice until becoming a vampire on accident
>>150766491Yes. The description is vague as hell, but D alludes it's something that lurks at the 'bottom', and the things that lurk in the deepest Umbra are the absolute last things you want noticing you.
>>150766528Perhaps D shouldn't have given Marcus those weird books without teaching him I'm 90% sure this is just a Tzeench reference
>>150766393WoD is very ham handed, especially in how they basically did anything but I respect them despite their errors because they did make *some* kino alongside the cringe. When they stopped hamfisting the Technocracy as pure evil brainwashing evil dudes and slowly let more stuff in they managed to make some legitimately compelling stuff, and sometimes it feels like they're a bit too lost in their own sauce to realize they're reaching critical retard moments.>>150766491Its likely he almost contacted a Black Diamond motherfucker, aka a Nephandi God-like being, or something from the Abyss. Either one is frankly fucking terrible and if you're able to speak to things that deep in the inverted pyramid, you should shut the fuck up and stop doing that before it's too late, quadruple so if its legitimatelyNephandi like.
>>150766547Big D didn't give him those books. As he said, he carelessly left them out and Marcus decided to read them because he's curious. And there are things in deep Umbra that make Tzeentch look harmless
>>150763687>>150763780I think its another point they of being the polar opposites from thr Vampires. The vamps have bad intentions and are actually doing a great job of fighting themselves. They are refusing to make more vamps, to minimize the actual damage they do, and to kill eachother more than any hunters or garou.
>>150766571>They are refusing to make more vamps, to minimize the actual damage they doCammies are. Sabbat mass recruit like crazy expecting most to die on their first night.
>>150765252>>150765285>>150765819Your why boners are appreciated
>>150766565>>150766567I wonder what the odds are of that thing finding Marcus again now that he's been slam dunked into the umbra towards were the woofs are. D might end up running over there only to end up looking through a bombed out wasteland
>>150766589It must be infuriating for the Camarilla to run damage control every time a Sabbat band goes on a rampage, especially as technology advances.
>>150766620That's what they have an army of neet nosferatu for. But I do imagine paying off, dominating, or threatening reporters to cover every minor Sabbat incident as a gasline explosion would get tiring
>>150766601The hints of depression in her eyes denote her as a female, as does the happy trail. If it was a dude, those eyes would have bags like canyons, lack a soul and the trail would be a highway. However females with happy trails are instantly boosted by like 3 points so the 4/10 most dudes here would die for gets a solid 7/10. Strikes me as a girl who despite rough times is actually properly clean when she can and sorta hates her curse of not having shit whenever the going stops giving her smokes.>>150766619The Umbra is a big place. I wouldn't worry about it, be her a Glassie or a Red Talons, she's not willingly going anywhere near the Deep Umbra if she can avoid it, she's no spiral dancer.
>>150766619Likely he's being taken through the Spirit Wilds, which is basically nature in its best and worst states. Like pristine forests that smell like pine right next to pollutant ridden swamps that reek of poo-gas.>D might end up running over there only to end up looking through a bombed out wastelandUnless he gets super lost, I don't think D will go to Battleground. That's where every war that was ever fought is still being fought for eternity.
>>150766666>depression in the eyes denote femalehow in the fuck? t. depressed fucker with perpetual bags under my eyes
>>150766707oh nevermind I should have read the rest of the post my bad.
>>150766491>>150766528Faur chance it was a Nephandi God or a head of the Triatic Wyrm, which are effectively the same thing.
>>150766601I bet this bitch stinks to high heaven.
>>150766722I think it was a Malfean
>>150764267Not even Ogre Poppenang, just all of WoD as a whole is pretty left-leaning. It describes itself as "gothic punk", you cannot get leftier than that.
>>150765062None, the less you know the better, unironically.
>>150765781Its part of the setting, trying to ignore it is kind of impossible.
>>150766051then don't watch it lmao
>>150766791Is it really punk if left is the mainstream currently? I suppose that's part of the problem with modern productions where they act as if they're still counter culture
Anyone have the RIP Ape boy image?
Was Saint Christopher a Garou in WoD?
Honestly why wouldn't you spend most of the time in footbro form if you were a werewolf? Seems like the best one.
>>150764249You have to appreciate that PCs are not as insane as cannon NPC garou ideology. Like, I have GM'd for years and 100% of all my campaigns has had players commit unnecessary cannibalism.
>>150766966Being a punk means you are anti establishment no matter what the fucking thing is. Which means being a current counter culture punk is supporting Israel wholeheartedly, hating Palestine, being a completely racist ass chud, somehow being religious but not a neo pagan because that's old news but also not christian muslim or flavour of eastern, being 100% clean from drugs, call for trans people to actively suicide, actually ascribe to social democracy, loving trump, legitimately not giving a single shit about animals, hating dogs, loving spiders, having 0 tatoos or ornamentation, loving the corporate ladder and loving AAA games while calling the cops on molly concerts.Punks struggle with the reality that they've been commercialized and swallowed whole. The most punk shit you can do right now is yell aloud how you hate niggers, love israel, despise alcohol and drugs, think extremism is cringe, change is gradual and dress up like a boring dude with no style who stacks paper. But this hurts their cooler image from before, and they're all aesthetics versus substance, like most anarchists too.
>>150767172Your feet aren't actually built for barefooting that easily>>150767211Well, players will do funky shit if they can get away with but they're generally not going to disregard every single human you run across the same way in-canon a Garou would. PC's simultaneously are both more insane and more reasonable
How good was that dream liquid
>>150766966>>150767253Its simpleThe Left think they are punks because the right controls the Government and The Right thinks they are punks because the left controls the Media.
>>150763959kek
>>150767253That is an interesting Punk alternative that I'd love to see actively explored but the entire ideology is schizophrenic>love israel but be actually racistIt's a tragedy since punk aesthetic is actually quite cool and interesting but it really loses any appeal when it gets commercialized the way it does. I suppose saying that>The House Always Winswouldn't be incorrect here
>>150766666She showers regularly (sadly) and mainly uses her appearance and expected trashy party girl look to mask her true intentions as an agent of Gaia, though she does enjoy a good party
>>150767373>right controls the governmentIt's more like a sort of party-agnostic doom blob of warhawks who want to loot america is in charge of the government
Just watched the episode.>Your dad was an abomination so you deserve to be a slave now white boy>Thank youThat was the most cucked shit I've ever heard
>>150762467I never seen that in the thread before
>>150767253This must sound really smart if you're like 12 or retarded
>>150767253I feel like you don't know the difference between anti-establishment and anti-popular. Most establishments, aka, governments and corporations are still quite pro-Israel, amongst various other things.
>>150767436>>150767373Just as the technocracy intended
>>150767436And for The Left America hasn't had a "real" left wing government since Johnson if not FDR if that.
>>150767442Retard
>>150764767There's a lot of old religion going on here, both from the Fatigues and the Nails of Christ. Both families seemed to believe in the literal "Sins of the Father". I agree that Wernon had no agency in the atrocities that his family committed. However, he still has the same old testament mind set that he carries the weight of his families actions. The Nails of Christ didn't have to convince Wernon to atone, he believed he needed to already.
>>150767491>Most establishments, aka, governments and corporations are still quite pro-IsraelYeah the only ones who aren't are Russia(who is on speaking terms with Palestine and coincidentally the war kicked off right as Russia needed NATO and the US distracted so funny how that works), and China simply because they're making friends with everyone America blows up by selling them Temu reconstruction.Both sides are supported by big, asshole governments. In this day and age, all you get to choose is which ass you're gonna lick
>>150767565That's literally what happens
>>150767402The house will always win, and being the plucky fighter with ideals battling The man isn't as glamorous as people think it is. To be counterculture, you're countering the culture, it doesn't make you righteous or even correct or good or right, it means you're an active opponent of the current thing.There was nothing that coherent about being anti war and a massive druggie dipshit who fucked around and wasted daddy's money for the hippies, they had a good message but dogshit execution, its schizophrenic to be right on ending the war but then go full retard and polygamy max, get AIDS, smoke crack and ruin your entire image of reasonable pacifism and no useless murder and death. Being a racist zionist chud trans hater is basically as anti established message as you can really get in the vast majority of countries.It was always schizophrenic baloney people hodgepodged into a subculture. The punk leather aesthetic was a hit but there's not much else to it now because its sold at thrift stores and nobody even believes in it as its spouted by the culture.>>150767491In America. The world isn't just your 50 states.
>>150765781m8 it's the British in the early 1900s, you can't avoid the empire. it's like having a movie in the early 2000s American continent not address the world trade center-oh wait turning red did that.
>>150767607If you're retarded, then yes.
>>150767607This is the same as those trannies thinking Dune was transphobic: You're making shit up cause you woke up angry and need to make it everyone else's problem
So from my understanding, ideally:>Garou, or rather, Shifters in general, are meant to be the bridge between Gaia (the Wyld?) and Man>Together, a balance would have been struck between the planet and mankind’s ambition (Wyrm) and desire for structure and order (Weaver)But unfortunately, the Garou, in their retardation and rage, decided to kill the other Shifters to the point of near or total extinction, and enslave and torture humanity until they have a supernatural and instinctual fear of Shifters, thus preventing any cooperation between the two groups. Due to their fuckups, Gaia is either dead or dying, and we’ve likely passed the point of no return, making everything the Garou do ultimately pointless.
>>150764400And now you understand Magus
>>150767551Arguably the American left has been coopted just like the right. Nearly every program since Johnson has just been Reagonomics or immigration applied to someone else and minor disagreements over government programs
>>150767436Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?
>>150767601Spot on I think. Wernon was pretty much fated to believe he needed to redeem himself anyway>>150767608Wonder if the whole Maga rightwing chud thing will end up coopted the same way. It doesn't have any neat aesthetic too it though
>>150767649>Due to their fuckupsI mean, that's if you think that werewolves are solely and exclusively responsible for the state of the world and that the spiritual corruption of society in order to bring about the Apocalypse wouldn't either happen some other way, be accelerated by their absence, or is primarily due to circumstances outside of the Garou's control.The Garou didn't bring the Wyrm into existence, nor did the Garou cause greed and selfishness to be important aspects of the human condition. The Wyrm and the flaws of humanity are the two biggest drivers of the Apocalypse and while the werewolves are retards who often sabotage their own efforts to prevent the Apocalypse, they aren't solely responsible for everything bad ever.
>>150767649Somewhat close to that yeah. The Garou just really fucked up hard. Quite appropriate for Sins of the Father to be a prevalent theme in Garou chapters given the circumstance that the entire world is paying for their sins
>>150767649Pretty much, and the shifters in general were an system meant for balancing the earth unto themselves meant to keep the peace in general. However when the Wolves did their geocide key parts of the system.Like the Grondr AKA wereboars who job it was to cleanse land and creature of Wyrm corruption, Literally the whole issue were were talking about up thread about how getting involved in any sort of Wyrm corruption means your likely trapped in it. And they are just all dead now.
>>150767828Considering they killed all the help and guidance that could have helped humanity or otherwise, yeah they sort of did it to themselves I think. Not to say they're entirely responsible but a fair share of the burden was on them when they decided to be the only kid on the block
>>150767649The Triat have nothing to do with mankind specifically - they're cosmic and predate existence. The Wyrm is as much the Void as it is the Abyss the Nephandi revere, as well as Entropy, Oblivion, Balance and everything else. The Weaver is order and Stasis, but also Unity and patterns. Just as the Wyld is Dynamism, Change, Growth, Decay and Destruction and Renewal. They are inherent in all things and their falling out predates basically everything. They are present in everything from the grandest supernova, to the tiniest bacterium consuming other bacteria. The point of the Fera, the Shifters, was to be Gaia's means of returning the Triat to balance after the Weaver drove the Wyrm mad but - as you correctly determined, the Garou fucked it all up with the War of Rage. The Impergium was a lesser genocide in comparison, but it's implied it drove the Weaver even more mad and further pushed humanity into its clutches.
Fair point, he's grown up his entire life believing that he is the product of his ancestors and their ancestors. He thought they were heroic scholars and adventurers; he learned they were deranged monsters. But he still thinks that he's a product of his ancestors.
>>150767361Considering Fatigue mentioned Timothy Leary, that stuff was pure LSD
>>150767442So the fact that Fatigue was shown he was part of a system that only made the werewolf problem /worse/ and was given the means to actually fight back against such things just flew right over your head didn't it.
>>150767649The TLDR background is>Garou, fighting meat fodder, think they're Gaias gift to reality>they kill everyone else including other shifters because anger issues and everyone isn't fighting the Wyrm like they are as warriors>stuff like boar shifters and deer shifters and shit were just healing the earth but got genocided, so now 95% of fera are just Garou>Garou got anger issues so they think genociding most humans good because they bring about some Wyrm and Weaver vibes>cue mega super Holocaust holy shit this is awful like what were you guys thinking you gave Humanity PTSD on a spiritual genetic level>current garou basically lost because they killed anyone who'd work with them>the best thing they could do is actually work together with humans but yknow, they are still fucking up, and they're also still scary as fuck if they shift because Mega Holocaust spiritual PTSD>the best thing they can do is actively work with humans through politics, spiritual magicks and real, effort work that isn't murder (Wyrm) to bring balance to the world>idealy, this means Werewolves and Humans collaborate to Create (Wyld), Structure (Weaver) and Destroy (Wyrm) in a balanced way.>this also means killing forests at times, making more cities or demolishing some preserves, as it can mean more art, letting nature reclaim the land and making 0 money and scaling operations>this isn't fucking easy and it isn't cheap for either side but it can work>it really just depends on Garou
>>150767885I just think it's an important distinction to make. There's a difference between "responsible for everything bad about the world ever" and "the world's a worse place because of their fuck-ups." Some people over-exaggerate and try to make it seem like the world would be a paradise if it wasn't for the Garou.
>>150768021Ironically the buck stops at God in that he can literally roll back the clock and place existence onto the good timeline but refuses to until Cain says he is sorry.
>>150768021Well it certainly would be better. How "responsible" does someone need to be for starting a few genocides which directly led to the state of the world before they get blamed as being mainly responsible? Sure they don't get all the responsibility but they're definitely not improving their image
>>150768073Isn't the god of WoD some fat guy that fucks with Caine every now and then? I don't remember the source of that but it's quite funny to imagine
>>150767957>it depends on the GarouLol, lmao even. Yeah, and that's the problem mostly. Unironically best hope for reality is some Magecel gets a big head, ascends, and takes over
>>150768021To be fair when you kick off a Horus Heresy people have a right to give you shit about it.
>>150768139God takes a bunch of different forms, but only gets involved on earth to pester Cane.Like there was a story where C was spending centuries just chilling in a cave and every morning God would fly in as a bird to try and get an apology, but every time Cane would tell him to fuck off.
>>150768112>Well it certainly would be better.Would it? The Garou are the warriors of Gaia, better suited to defend Gaia from corruption than the rest of the Fera combined. That's why they were able to kick the shit out of the rest of the Fera combined during the War of Rage.Sure, in a theoretical world without the Garou, the Impergium and War of Rage wouldn't have happened, but there also wouldn't be a warrior caste of Fera capable of fighting back against any threat to Gaia.One of the other Fera could've gone full Wyrm or humanity could have industrialised and brought about the Apocalypse a whole lot faster, without any Garou around to keep any of them in check.
>>150768228Well I never claimed that no garou would fix everything, but if the Garou were any less insane sociopaths then Gaia would be a lot better off overall
>>150768228>The Garou are the warriors of Gaia, better suited to defend Gaia from corruption than the rest of the Fera combined. And we can all see how good of a job they've done.
>>150768280They were doing such a good job they found out of corruption to fight so they started doing Witch Hunt-tier purges
>>150768182Problem with a Mage Ascension is that frankly most of the time you just don't get a good end.If its a hermetic its fucked, fully fucked, die. If its a cult of ecstacy, oh my god its fucking over, just actually kill yourself immediately, even current dudes allow cheese pizza filming just to jack off. If its a spirit dude, GG, you're getting an even more autistic spirit world than the woofs. If its a digital guy, commit suicide now. If its a karmic wheel dude, just run. If its Kung Fu, give up because its Wuxia time and that's not good at all. If its crazy tech with 0 logic, its mildly okay, but most others are awful. Religious guy, you better have picked the right one or it is indubitably going to be hell.If you have Technocracy dude ascend, it's probably way better but even then, still not good.>>150768228The Wyrm got this big and the Weaver this controlling because the Garou fucked up so hard they permitted everything to spiral (HAHAHAAAAA WYRM INFLUENCE JOKE) into what shit is now. With more support Fera they could have stopped Wyrm shit better and more actively and kept balance, with less Impegium humiliation, the Weaver wouldn't have gotten so defensive of Humans and not fucked with the Wyrm too to try and stop the infinite cruelty of the Garou.The theme of WtA is "ENOUGH FUCKING SMASHING, IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK RETARDS", if you don't get smashing more hasn't worked for millennia, you're way behind.
>>150768228The Garou are the space marines of Gaia. Very effective at what they do. The other Fera were the administratum of Gaia.How far would the space marines get without the supply chains the administratum provides? How effective would they be at defending the imperium that is now constantly imploding because there's no one left to actually know what lever does what let alone actually clean the fucking pipes.
>>150768228>but there also wouldn't be a warrior caste of Fera capable of fighting back against any threat to Gaia.But there would be, the Ajaba are even still around.
>>150768280But we can't pretend to know that the world would have been better without any warriors of Gaia to maintain any sort of balance at all.The police can make mistakes and the police can be corrupt and and the police can abuse their authority, so is a city better off without any police at all? Would you be willing to take the risk and get rid of your city's police force to find out?
>>150768353Would you rather a Mage or a Garou though? At least a mage will keep dreamers around for cattle to fuck with>>150768220I wonder why WoD's god has such big beef with Caine
>>150768415>Would you rather a Mage or a Garou though?Mage 100%. A Garou in control is kinda like a mage, they still have their tribes and most of them are kinda vile anyways, and while I definitely wouldn't want to live under the paradigm of a fucking cheese pizza watching stoner with time powers, I can safely say I wouldn't trust any paradigm done by the vast, vast VAST majority of Werewolf Tribes. Silver Fangs dude in control would make forceful incest obligatory and flex foul ancient ass treatises to make impenetrable noblemen castes like its an indian flexing on piss drinking dalits.
>>150767828>>150768021I didn’t mean to imply that the Garou were responsible for the Wyrm’s creation, more that they are ultimately responsible for things getting as bad as they have. I believe that the Weaver and Wyrm have more sway over human nature, or due to it they have more influence. However the Garou were meant to work with Mankind alongside the other shifters, but due to not being able to control themselves, have likely snowballed the world into an irreversibly worse place. Knowing what Banes and even Vampires are capable of, the existence of Garou as warriors is absolutely necessary in the grand scheme of things- but they, pardon the pun, should have had them or their Rage kept on a leash.
>>150763727Next you'll say something like "It doesn't make sense for a Pentex weapons manufacturer subsidy to sell weapons to both fanatical hunters and paranoid vampires to make a clean tidy profit off both of them killing each other"
>>150768415I'd rather blow my fucking brains out to be honest.
>>150768393They aren't the police. They're the fucking military. And we see what happens when the military decides it can do everything.
>>150768552And before the twentieth century, having no military at all ended in a society being effortlessly conquered and/or annihilated.
>>150768504if God made everything in WoD including the weaver and the wyrm, is the whole werewolf thing only happening because Caine fucked up once and wouldn't apologize?
>>150768393Like anon said, these are not the police. They are the military industrial complex. And you do not want the military industrial complex in charge of anything beyond state defense and even then, that should be kept to specific situations. They are not diplomats, they are not healers, and they are not the ones you send to FIX a nation let alone the world. That was the job of the other Fera, who they fucking slaughtered.
>>150768597Which is why the Mokole exist.
>>150768623Depending on which books you take as canon, God as the Tellurian knows it didntexist until the Wyrm-as-Void differentiated into different things due to the presence of the Weaver and Wyld. Other accounts imply all three are just facets of the original Creator after he shattered Himself.
>>150768597Not him but are you playing up your Daftness or what dude. The Garou have always existed alongside other fera in every context that mattered, if the Garou didn't practically wipe out every single other Fera, the Military (Garou) would still have its Support and Supply class (LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE OTHER FUCKING FERA THAT HELPED HEAL GAIA AND MADE THE FIGHTING EASIER AND THE APOCALYPSE NOT HAPPEN).
>>150768597Guy who 100% has no understanding of the universe he's talking about.
>>150768644If the Mokole got bodied by the Garou during the War of Rage, I don't trust them to hold the line against the Wyrm.
>>150768597You seem to be working under the assumption you can only have 100% control by the military or have no military, which is retarded.
>>150768666And yet they were doing just fine before the Garou. Now other fera minimize contact, and the Garou are fighting their own kind to stop the Wyrm and they are losing.
>>150768695>And yet they were doing just fine before the Garou.... Do you know the history of the Mokole?
>>150768682>>150768663The argument is that the world would have been a better place if the Garou, the Warriors of Gaia, the military of the Fera, did not exist at all. So yes, the assumption in this theoretical scenario is "no military," as the War of Rage proved that absolutely none of the other Fera could stand against them, let alone take their place as the warriors of Gaia. Do you really think the other Fera could have kept humanity in check when they started building cities and assembling armies?
>>150764881You are aware that the Garou genocide all other were-creatures and tried their best to genocide humanity because they thought only they were worthy of enforcing Gaia's will, right? That they have had no change in philosophy since then, even. Or that they started the apocalypse by killing 99% of Gaia's children and how the Garou would gladly do it all again?I think the key point here is that they have no idea what Gaia's will really is, just a misinterpretation of a narrow order they were given and not what Gaia wanted as a whole.
I knew this thread was going to be a shitshow kek Thank your lucky stars that HtP isn't a /v/idya property, you'd never hear the end of this
>>150768784Once again the hyenas don't have this problem
>>150768784Arguably the Garou actively failed to keep them in check when they started building cities and armies too given the current state of the world. Sure they turbo genocided them for a while but they basically can't really do the same anymore
>>150768784Actually the crux of the argument was originally>Considering they killed all the help and guidance that could have helped humanity or otherwise, yeah they sort of did it to themselves I think. Not to say they're entirely responsible but a fair share of the burden was on them when they decided to be the only kid on the blockWhich then spawned>Some people over-exaggerate and try to make it seem like the world would be a paradise if it wasn't for the Garou.Leading to>Well it certainly would be better."If it wasn't for the Garou" isn't implying if they didn't exist or if they wouldn't exist, its within context saying without the actions of the Garou. If it wasn't for the Garou (fucking up) the world would be a paradise is the claim the second guy is trying to refute.
>>150768784Yes. And they'd do so without the Wyrm making everything shit because they'd compliment each other's shortcomings.That's the problem with Garou having one Fera, one viewpoint controlling everything. It will inevitably fail, it will splinter, and those splinters will sap the planet dry to sustain themselves as they squabble with each other, blaming everyone but themselves for the state of decay around them.
>>150768854Yes the other Anon doesn't get that by doing the Impergium Humanity was mega chosen and advanced by the Weaver and has it as a primary triadic spirit because the Weaver loves humanity and the Garou were actively ruining them constantly. The Garou caused the cities and armies being built in the first place.
>>150764937Warm is a cosmic abstract, right? Isn't just the act of eating or burning something the will of the wyrm?
>>150768855Yes pretty much what I meant originally. I don't think it's that the world would be better off with no Garou but rather if they weren't retarded fuck ups it sure would be much better
>>150768878That's back to front, lore has established that the Impergium was done precisely because the Weaver had chosen humanity and they were using her gifts to disrupt the balance.
>>150768920And their solution was to throw the balance off even further. Do you see why the military isn't put in charge of these sorts of things?
>>150764961Making things worse is what Garou do. If there was a bank robbery taking hostages, the would cover the robbers, hostages, money, and the cops outside in gasoline jam matches down the barrel of every gun they could find, and then go for the robbers directly while shouting racial slurs.
>>150768906The issue is a some point it became a cosmic sentience instead and then the Weaver trapped it in bondage to try and protect humanity until it went insane.You burning things indirectly feeds and allows the influence of a mad entropic force to seep in however so slightly.
>>150768951Yeah, the Garou fucked up and the ideal solution would have been a middle ground in which the Garou were perfectly reasonable and level-headed custodians who heeded the advice and followed the guidance of all of the other Fera. But if there were no Garou at all, without countless generations of Impergium and the Garou slowing human development to a standstill and without any other military Fera who could do what the Garou did on the same scale, humanity would've brought about the Apocalypse ten times faster.As for Ajabanon, were-hyenas were so shit as a military branch of the Fera that they got almost wiped out by a single tribe of the Bastet, who aren't even intended to serve as a warrior species of shapeshifter. They got genocided so hard that half of the survivors fell to the Wyrm. Based on that, I'm not inclined to think that the Ajaba could've kept humanity in check on any significant scale.
>>150765363>occasions the apocalypse would have happened a long time ago without themIronically, we would have a lot more changlings to fight the wyrm without them.
>>150769130>But if there were no Garou at allWake the fuck up and pay attention nigga, you're fighting a ghost, read >>150768910, its all in your head
'Ate Garou'Ate Cainites'Ate Reality DeviantsNot racist, just don't like them
>>150763978It is difficult to understate just how BRITISH this man is with his TWO MONOCLES.
I think my biggest continuing critique of HOTP and their other works is the inconsitency of their VA work. Compare Amanda to Grimal in this log, he lines reads are honestly very mediocre at best and I think the actual sound quality is lower. As they up their production value that continues to stick out to me, I assume its because they in part are bringing on their friends to voice characters which I can appreciate as a passion project but it does take me out.
>>150764216>Ye olde fursona
>>150767253I like to go with whatever lifestyle is discouraged by the Disney is punk.
>>150769393If you want pic related, that's Harry, D, most of Remold and Spit/Brock. Their actual range is nowhere near as big as you think it is, they're not as expressive as they think they are and frankly talked way the fuck too much so far. Almost there is the BBW, her voice work isn't that amazing but she clutches it with some lines.Amanda's mundanity and traumatized everything honestly just stuck out to me in this episode in a good way given that half of Kittens dialogue was him sperging the fuck out really and going some variation of >BOOKS NEED BOOKS>MARKUS IS GONE>RECORD PLAY THE FUCKING RECORD>DEE FUCKING TELL ME SHITSomeone actually sounding wrong and traumatized and clearly coping out of her mind, only to slowly steel herself a bit more was a good gimmick, like when she just goes "Fuck Off" to the idea of spider shifters. She legitimately goes through an entire arc just in this episode and its a really cool thing that she does, and her voice is way better in the precursor to the "ghoul" reveal there too. That "Let us prayyy~" was downright kinda cute so its not like Amanda is a bad VA by any means.
>>150769544I just fundamentally disagree, I dont think her line reads are well done, Im not getting her as traumatized. Thats the literaly test of her lines yes but I dont believe it when I'm hearing them read. I dont have a problem at all with the writing, I just havent enjoyed her performance in all of her appearances.
>>150769292>t. Technocratic drone
>>150769063The Weaver didn't entrap the Wyrm for humanity's sake - it entrapped it because the Weaver yearned for constancy where the Wyld and Wyrm, in its view, only ever destroyed what it created or changed it irrevocably. It yearned for stability over all, until said stability became stifling Stasis. Out of the Trist, the Weaver went insane first and spread said insanity to the Wyrm by denying it its purpose as Balance. Humanity are inherently Weaver-aligned yes and the Impergium only made the Weaver more insane by harming us so severely, but the Weaver was the first of the Triat to fall out of balance and it had nothing to do with our involvement or trying to protect us.
>>150768812The Garou may not necessarily be completely exempt from ruining Gaia and are huge cause of her decay, but they are 100% on the money about shit like Stolen Moons or other Wyrm-affiliated fucks advancing that decay further. Wernon was associated with that, however losely, and that sort of evil leaves a tangible metaphysical stain on you - it's how Pentex has got its grimy hooks in most of the populace, or how a HORRIFIC number of people are perfect hosts for Banes. It's not at all wrong for Wernkn to be judged for the sins of his father, uncles, and ancestors because that sort of evil is LITERALLY inherited in WoD.
Do we have any word on when the next audio log or episode will be released or are they still mums the word on the schedule?
>>150764616>Actively participated in an expedition to skin a wolfNo, that was why his father was there.Wernon was there to study local lycanthropy.> Desecration a CaernHe was recording information concerning the contents of the shrine.It was not like he was bulldozing cultural relics ISIS-style.>Felt insulted when it wasn't there place to disrupt the villageNo.There was no outrage, only bewilderment and the desire to know more.The guide was being coy, he could tell he was leaving something unsaid and was getting frustrated that she wouldn't get to the point.Then he was interrupted by the attack on the camp.> He only found out at the end of the atrocities his father and uncles had been commiting during the expeditionftfyHonestly, its truly staggering how much headcannon you must have invented to justify this villainous framing of Wernon.Seriously, to build up this level of righteous angst you must be assuming that he's bathing endangered animals, raping innocent tribeswomen, and desolating pristine wilderness to build parking lots every time he's off-screen.>Any sane man would have already reconsidered their journey and actions after getting a flying werewolf claw to the fucking ass.You could apply that same goddamned logic to Markus being half to death by blanks.The answer is the same.He's a Hunter. The knowing of the supernatural cannot be unknown.Its in his blood, forever a part of him. He cannot turn away from that life.
Let's be honest. Matilda would've iced Fatigue even if his only connection to the Garou was studying them from a distance
>>150770132Their plan was monthly audio logs in the lead up to chapter 6 which was going to be a more modest 10-15 minutes as opposed to a 50 minute animation in order to stop the 6 month delay per episode they had going on, but considering chapter 5.2 was intended to be a 40 minute audiolog on werewolf lore and abilities like the vampire and ghoul one and ballooned into a 2 hour piece they don't have the tightest grip on the project it seems
>>150770220It kind of seemed like part of the reason she was there to get information on a werewolf though.They kidnapped Markus explicitly for that purpose.It makes no logical sense for her to kill a werewolf expert under those circumstances.The only exception I can think of is if she strongly believed him to be a servant of the Wyrm.
>>150770325>no logical senseShe's a Garou. She'd have done it for him being old on a Sunday morning
>>150770220if the theory about the Red Talon bit being a red herring was true then likely she wouldn't have iced him at all if he wasn't basically knee deep in wyrm voodoo>>150770323forgot to add here that the next chapter should be shorter than the first given it's just door and boy and O'Tully's assuming it doesn't blow out of proportion like with Ross showing up or some other stuff, I don't remember if Marcus was going to get his own audiolog either
>>150764972>Fucking original sin logicShe also only genuinely saved him *once*.When he refused the Skin Dancer pact.Arguably.I doubt Wernon's father would have murdered him.Despite the man's obvious dogma and psychosis, he seemed to genuinely love and harbor a great deal of pride for his son.He probably would have forced the change onto him.I'm not well versed in the nature of Skin Dancers, so I cannot say if that would be as bad as dying.She does not get credit for 'saving' Wernon from the insurrectionist's bomb because she knowingly put him in that situation to begin with.
Kek gotta love the final summary that Garou, while having a noble goal, are monumentally fucking retarded and make things infinitely harder on themselves
>>150770380Well, we know it wend with O'Tully's being burnt to the ground.Could be as simple as BOY's order being wrong, Door escalating things until he ends up in the kitchen and learns that there's no actual meat in the burger.All the while, the management is trying and succeeding covering up the supernatural shit they're involved with only to get burned anyway because of the no meat thing.
>>150770438Being a skindancer who didnt get consent from the Garou they skinned, and being a stolen moon at all instantly infects you with Wyrm Aids.Kronic Fatigue was huffing elemental evil and corruption and had effectively an auto brewery of the taint bumping in every piece of him that bled or weptNah, he'd have fucking ate Wernon if whatever the fuck the local hunters kicked away didn't get him first . Wyrm corruption is a hell of a drug
>>150770375You can't pull that card whenever its convenient.Yes, the Garou suck at long-term planning and critical thinking.But Garou agents that have spent months undercover and for all intents and purposes can pass as a civilized - if somewhat grumpy - humans are obviously not to be lumped in with the archetypical lycan berserker lobotomite.
What is Matilda??? Like how does a Red Talon not only resist instantly murdering the chapter house for so long but also exfiltrate in a manner that didn't end up killing everyone involved? (in her war form no less)
>>150770563Nah. She had it out for him the second she saw he needed heart medication. That's Weaver corruption baby. Gotta pull it out, root and stem
>>150760838So what is the deal with the Society of Saint Leopold? Were they in the know, and what was their dark secret relating to the Blacklaws that Fatigue mentioned?
>>150770567Well, Garou tribal cultures are learned not instinctual.Perhaps her time with among humans mellowed her out a touch.
>Fatigue siphoned off resources to various hunter groups made up of kidnapped children>Big D fathered unholy amount of children himself in his far flung hunter adventures how much do you want to bet one of those hunters are related to Big D in some way
>>150770475That's kind of funny but no way it's a 40-50 minute length chapter
>>150765040Targeting Lacroix is an absolutely valid action for hunters to take.At the end of the day he's still a leech, he's still killing and eating people, he's still representing an entire branch of an organization dedicated to concealing industrial levels of human death and suffering produced by the kindred in aggregate.
>D keeps unintentionally making things worse for amanda and kitten by saying the most fucked up info off the top of his head while they are reviewing the capabilities of werewolves>this is after he told kitten "lol I specialize in vampires I'm not some old ancient being with lots of knowledge haha Idk anything about woofs"why is he such a dick?
>>150770567>>150770841We know she has the Red Talon mark as a scar on her back and not a tattoo, and that she not only had relatively good self-control but that she also preferred to do the sneaky bit rather than go in guns blazing until it all went wrong, and it was actually going rather well for her, I'd say her social stats must be relatively decent despite the grumpyness so I think it's quite likely the Red Talon bit is a red herring, considering we went from two chapters full of red herrings to an audiolog likewise rather full of red herrings. Unreliable narrators seem to be a theme for this part
>>150770954I don't think LaCroix really needs to kill to feed but I suppose older vampires are much less humane than newer ones
>>150771018she's also socialble enough to have befriended amanda. even if that was just "part of the job" amanda thought they where friends shooting the shit about how shitty life as a maid is
>>150771000He's probably trying not to clue Kitten in on anything they can pull that'll get him and Marcus both killed when he decides to be a hero. Or get Kitten killed when Marcus inevitably does some fucked magic shit
>>150770954LaCroix is a paper tiger who achieves nothing across the entire game, targeting him is a waste of resources and manpower that should've gone to the tzimisce.
>>150765099Very high likelihood or at the very least has some weird shit about her. She was able to tank getting full on backhanded through a wall by a Cirnos and being able to crawl off relatively fine
>kitten mentions possibly talking to a woof on messenger oh that reminds me of one of my favorite tidbits from the old hunter lore, basically the iconic character for the defense creed used to just be a computer geek/hacker, and he ran into this other hacker online and they got into a bit of a competition with the other hacker building systems for him to crack, and he sorta becomes that hackers protégé. until one day while doing their usual hacker thing the messengers fuck with his PC to show the other side of the other hackers screen, who turns out to be a nos. it rattles the fuck out of the newly christened hunter and he gets straight to work fortifying his house, gud stuff.
>>150766166Family tradition and also>Why not both?
>>150765099>ConsensusEveryone believes it so it's true, anon. That's how this works, remember?
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>>150766491Yeah it was in the dog investigation one. Could have been the wyrm or maybe even good ol Grandma
>>150771048Yeah that is true. Also would have to say that considering only Fatigue died or got seriously injured, and that she acted relatively well during the discovery, she wasn't going in there to kill even when she was raging out until the entire group came out
>>150765954Eww British
>>150771128>implying hunters know or careThat's the power of perspective, Hunters with incomplete information like that don't actually know what's going on and only see vampire targets
So the theory of the garou being interested in the Shuck data seems true. But what the fuck is White Shuck?
Garou nonsense is why I swim with the sharksI’m actually in the process of making a Rokea character
>>150771329big theory is boy or Ross I think>white hair or related to white hair dudesI think we'll find out probably by the last episode in the arc
>>150768228>Would it?Of course. For one, killing your own white mages is fucking retarded
>>150771329Black Shuck is a line of Garou of Silent Strider descent that both Herald cataclysmic events (usually wyrm shit) and help stop it, sired by an Arab silent strider who traveled to Britain, fucked up an ancient vampire with a Get of Fenris berserker, and celebrated by fucking a bunch of local, wild wolves.So yeah, data on shuck is pretty important cause in lore, around the time HtP is set, they havent reincarnated in decades, making the local packs a bit squirrelly and more paranoid than usualWhite shuck is probably an old memory of the White Howlers (now black spiral dancers) who used to rule Britain along with the picts
>>150771310>a scar on her back and not a tattoo, and thatThey might be so uninformed that they think it works like...> Kill the head vampire, cure all of their underlings.
>>150771453Would not surprise me, big part is groups don't really know all too much about how the other works or cares
>>150771329>what the fuck is White Shuck?The inverse of Black Shuck.Basically immunity Dog.
>>150771018actually fuck, I bet not only her being a Red Talon is a red herring but the mark actually being related to tribe is one too. I mean look at D's chest, any battle damage could easily be mistaken as that mark given how simple it it...then again, her regeneration didn't remove it if it were any normal damage so if it is from a battle there was definitely supernatural fuckery going on
>>150771536This is based off of Amanda's post delirium hearsay, so it has a lot of layers of Red Herring. The book might even be incorrect
>>150771394Part of the fun of WoD for me is the amount characters I can make for myself
>Kronik refers to Satan as a woman
Newfag here, what's with the theory of D being a mummy?
Wernon was a good lad>>150771759His absurdly vast supernatural knowledge, his energy, his odd healing factor, the potential TTS parallel with bandaged bone daddy emperor etc. Plus mummies generally being considered one of the wholly good factions in WoD
>>150771759I'm not super informed on them myself but I know mummys are one of the least naturally evil splats, probably next to fae. when I say least evil I mean least likely by nature to kill humans, vamps eat people, woofs have tard rage and don't particularly care about collateral, ect.
>>150771787in this log he mentioned being more familiar with the werecats too, which are more commonly found in egypt mummy capital of the world
>>150771759>uses old systems of measurements from Mesopotomia and ancient egypt which could be dismissed as him being a schizoid wackjob>talks about Gilgamesh as if he knew him>Says he and his group hunted a Methuselah before>clearly long-lived, dated Occam and yet is older than Blacklaw>heals MUCH faster than Marcus for similar injuries>resists the Delirium>self-admittedly has interacted with a lot of different splat groups>lots of children (canon)A lot of evidence points to him being supernatural
>>150771802oh though if its unseelie fae your fucked, those fuckers are definitely evil dicks. fae are pretty broad so I should clarify that just because something is a fae that doesn't mean its necessarily something evil, though that could often be the case. compared to splats like vamp where even the most human vamp has to drink blood and confront their inner vampiric impluses.
>>150771787Wernon didn't deserve what he got for sure
>>150771848He got to go to FFFFFUCKING Heaven so at least there's that
>>150771787Honestly, Wernon probably had the highest Willpower of any of the Arcanum. It took BAWLS to keep his head cool with all the shit he went through on his adventure in the Phillipines.Especially being tricked into drinking Pascals piss
>>150771972What a madlad that Pascal
>>150771989Good old lord kronic fatigue really put the masculinity in the Blacklaw lineage when he tore out his fucking eye.
>>150772018Kek, I really liked how much of an English sociopath they made Kronic Fatty, he feels like a more cartoonish Clayton. Very kino
>New video released>>150762293>>150762467>>150765213>only 2 new garou and 1 repostThe fuck is wrong with all of you?
>>150772123not a woof furry sadly, more of a magecel
>>150770567She was very obviously a Bone Gnawer but someone got their panties in a twist that she was so easily spotted as one and retardedly wants to make her a Red Talon. It’s getting pretty obvious someone in the writing room thinks they’re smarter than they actually are and doesn’t like the audience predicting the plot.
>>150771759>>150771824D also directly namedrops one of the Rokea's names and their preferred title for the Wyld (Kun), which is knowledge basically nobody should have outside of the Rokea and which even the most experienced and schizo occult scholar would never know about. The man inexplicably KNOWS more than what I'd expect even some archmages would.
>>150772123No one actually likes Werewolf, we're all waiting for HtP to move on from the werewolf phase but at this rate, that will take two to three years.
>>150765853>NONE of his family were there at the site of the explosionWas the expedition composed only of Lord Father & the Lord Uncles, or were there others around to do things like carry kit? I assumed they survived the blast using their Stolen Moon powers, but anyone else died as a result. Note how when Kronik & Wernon reunite, the former specifies that only he and Wernon's uncles made it out rather than saying "everyone made it out".I'm not the same guy btw, I'm just watching the video now and came to the thread to see how people reacted to the scene with the origin of the "one tile at a time" turn of phrase. I viewed the scene not as Wayda pressing Wernon into admitting he's grateful but moreso her probing his regrets over his father's actions. As she says, he's just a child himself. He's one of the many orphans of this expedition. But she still had to be certain, for herself and her people, that he harbored no misplaced resentment. She's not a mind reader.
>>150770438>I doubt Wernon's father would have murdered him.>Despite the man's obvious dogma and psychosis, he seemed to genuinely love and harbor a great deal of pride for his son.You heavily underestimate how batshit mad Stolen Moons are. They are literal abominations utterly tainted by the Wyrm at a level below only the likes of the BSDs themselves. He'd have 100% bitten off Wernon's face if he didn't get got.>I'm not well versed in the nature of Skin Dancers, so I cannot say if that would be as bad as dying.It would literally corrupt him irrevocably and probably drive him utterly insane.
>>150772259I feel like /co/ didn't give a fuck about HtP until the female werewolf burst out of her shirt.
>>150770438>>150772362Skin Dancers are also literally backed by a totem of Corruption in the form of Minotaur who provides their tribal gifts, so if Wernon were forced to skin dance, it would 100% flood his soul with Wyrm STDs. Doesn't help that Minotaur eventually starts getting pushed further and further into the Black Spiral Labryinth as part of a bid by Tick to replace him as the Skin Dancers tribal totem.The fact Wernon had flies frequently buzzing about him means he was possibly already picking up Wyrm RADs just by being so close to his dad and uncles.
>>150770643https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Society_of_LeopoldThey're an extensive and powerful branch of the Inquisition that exists pretty much exclusively to destroy all supernaturals.
>>150763374Kronik explicitly says they only orchestrated their DISAPPEARANCES in order to slip into the country with little to no fuss whilst their government's attention was directed elsewhere.Despite their evil methodology of skinning Garou alive, they don't see themselves as monsters, and thus would not stoop to monstrous acts such as filicide.
>>150760838Which World of Darkness does this take place in?
>>150772659You dont seem to understand how bad wyrm aids are. Kronic and his brothers would've probably cannibalized Wernon's corpse after fucking it.That's just just the surface of what sort of fucked up shit that level of wyrm corruption makes you like to do.
>>150772717Considering the kids are also stated to be orphans seems like they were fine killing the parents.
>>150772684Old mostly, but they've mentioned they'll be playing fast-and-loose with elements from the setting as it suits them.
>>150772745And it was implied the kids had been wounded/ traumatized. And if you consider what sort of shit wyrm thrall do to kids...
>>150772435That's only because they don't know how gay and retarded Werewolf is.
>>150772717Yes, I'm not terribly familiar with the full extent of Wyrm lore, having only scratched the surface of it when Blue Man first showed up in the 99p Blender video. However, as has been pointed out in this thread with the recurring presence of Flies (or "Banes" whatever those are) corresponding to the influence of Wyrm upon the material plane, it's possible that it "allowed" Kronik and his Lord Brothers to keep just enough of their will to use it SOLELY to follow their Dogma, as D points out is one of the Wyrm Hydra's many metaphorical heads. And in so becoming these Wolves of God inadvertently forward the efforts of the Wyrm piece by piece.When you are an unimaginably ancient being with a potential lifespan equivalent to Eternity, you have time to play the long-con. It reminds me of how the Devil acts in LONGLEGS where it created a serial killer who can trap people's souls in doll heads just so it could force 1 cop to kill her own mother as one of the many acceptable lesser victories on the path to whatever the ritual would ACTUALLY accomplish. Wheels within wheels, and the Wolves of God's discovery of the Lexicon helped provide Kitten & D with enough knowledge to (begrudgingly) ally themselves with it (temporarily) which may lead to further butterfly's wing level events that shall immanentize the eschaton by some unknowably-sized degree.
>>150772123I can't draw.
>>150772259>>150772892Same guy as the one still seething about wolves being self-destructive retards, I'm guessing?
>>150772922>BanesSpirits of negative things that fall under the jurisdiction of the Wyrm. If it's a negative concept or emotion, there's probably Banes that embody it.
>>150763179Yeah, that part was a bit odd since the last record was literally about Wernon keeping it all secret. That bit could be explained away as Kronik not noticing it was running in the background when he barged into his son's tent, but lugging this thing of unstated size out to the digsite when Kronik knows what it is/does and would object to its mere presence just pushes the envelope a little too far. I'd prefer if the whole conversation sounded further away, like there was a moment of Wernon hiding it in the foliage at the edge of the dig-site to pick up whatever happens next.>>150772990So do these things act solely as spies or harbingers? Or do they have influence, as I suspect?
>>150772922Kronik outright names "The Devil Herself" during his full schizo rant to Wernon, which is 100% him referencing Gaia. Dude was completely in on that Wyrm juice and iM sure if Wernon had asked a question like "What God are we even serving?", he'd probably have gone on a full-blown spiel dropping alternate names for the Wyrm just stylized under a Christian-seeming facade.
I WANT TO FUCK GAIA!!!!!!!
>>150773005They infest. Pentex fucking puts them in toys, beer and everything else they make. They grind some up into burger at O'Tolley's. They're always around radioactive shit and pollution to. Banes are just Wyrm spirits
>>150773005>So do these things act solely as spies or harbingers? Or do they have influence, as I suspect?They can do all of those, and more. They can even manifest directly to eat your face. Banes are frequently some of the most deadly opponents the Garou face, with some of the very worst being Nexus Crawlers.
>>150773005Depends on the Bane, some are so weak and insignificant that they're the spiritual equivalent of mould, others are crazily powerful. Similarly, the amount of agency they have varies from mindless automatons going through the motions to almost possessing personhood, if it wasn't for the lack of free will due to being embodies of fundamentally evil things such as pain, greed and hatred.
>>150773019>The Devil Herself [..] referencing GaiaGreat detail I missed, thanks for pointing that out. I still find it unlikely they KNOW they're serving the Wyrm itself. However it presented itself to them to even implant the idea of Stealing Moons, it must have been masquerading as the Christian God to do so, otherwise Kronik may not have been suckered into it.>>150773036>>150773048>>150773103I figured, though the extent of them actually manifesting as threats does surprise me somewhat. I suppose even the Wyrm must be more overt at times, likely when it thinks it can get away with it. It really sounds like the sort of undefeatable foe that can only be delayed rather than destroyed, Umbral tendencies notwithstanding.
Just finished the episode, and I gotta state, it made me feel genuine fear, between how absolutely fucked up and abominable this >>150764216 *THING* is, and the ridiculously good job at sound design they did. I thought it couldn't get more terrifying after he killed the insurrectionists and tore out Pascal's eye, but then that whole part where Kronik reveals to Wernon the truth about their family while you can hear the real werewolf's agony in the background had my breath accelerated. Holy shit, you could just feel the sheer wrongness.
>>150773109Destroying the Wyrm is in fact impossible - the Tellurian cannot exist without it. Same for the rest of the Triat.
>>150773109The really dangerous shit like the nexus crawlers that were mentioned are usually restricted to nightmarish places that are already dominated by the Wyrm. Landfills, toxic waste dumps, rivers full of sewage, aftermaths of natural disasters in inhabited areas, anywhere particularly dangerous that's the result of humans despoiling the natural world, intentionally or unintentionally.In the World of Darkness, when someone disappears after sneaking off into a landfill or abandoned factory or something, if they weren't eaten by vampire hobos, they were probably butchered by a manifested Bane or something.
>>150773224Right, the Wyrm, Weaver, & Wyld. I'm reacquainting myself with the concepts as I read through conversations in this thread.So if the Wyrm bolsters itself on movements like the Second Inquisition as the Weaver does via the Technocracy's Stasis (if I'm reading the terms correctly), then what does the Wyld seek that would end up being bad for Humanity? I can tell it's not perfectly synonymous with Gaia, I think, but it's not a real center of discussion here, and the White Wolf Wiki tends to be kinda useless.
>>150773300The Wyld has no consciousness as is creation without form, which is why the Weaver exists.
>>150773300The Wyld is as much Life and Growth, as it is Death (which it shares with the Wyrm), Chaos, Change, Renewal, and Dynamism (as it is known by the Technocracy). One of the books outright cites flesh-eating bacteria and plagues being as much Wyld as any other element of the natural world. Unchecked Wyld is essentially pure unfiltered chaotic change and destructive growth as hegemonizing swarms, diseases, environmental and metaphysical destabilization, and a whole host of other things all happen simultaneously. Wyld corruption is rare than the other two, but no less bad for it.
>>150773345>>150773346Ah, since there's no Will of the Wyld there aren't any specific Human Movements that forward its goals, because they all sort of do. This makes the Triat sound pretty heavily unbalanced, like Wyrm & Weaver are just fragments of Wyld rather than true Primordial Forces or whatever.
>>150773418the garou are the Wyld's protectors. basically being eco terrorists.
>>150773438Based on my understanding from this thread and the latest episode, the Garou seem to protect Gaia, which is the Umbral Spirit form of the Physical Plane, making it a fragment of a fragment of a fragment of the Wyld itself.
>sets a bomb to kill you, rescued you, then demands your servitude for saving you>baits you with knowledge, intentionally incites you by playing coy, loredumps trauma made real that puts you into a suicidal depression spiral, beats you up, and then expects praise for saving you from suicidewhy are hunters so evil and deserving of death
