Ring the bell again...
>>150800963Why is April black again?Not racist, I just prefer white April.
>>150800963Damn, I never knew Bebop was a black woman
>>150801001Racism. The answer is, racism.
>>150800963At least they stopped white washing april.
>>150801022I specifically said I'm not racist, you illiterate retard.
>>150800963Why are the turtles not stopping that black female criminal and where's April O'Neil?
No matter how much they raceswap, their black characters will never be as attractive as the white characters.
>>150801022I don't care about racism.
>>150800963This is Tuesday for MtG.
At least black April is hot now instead of realistic.
>>150800963>>150801001#BringBackMixedApril
>>150801158Let's be honest with ourselves for change: this incarnation of April compared to the 1980s, 2003, & 2012 versions.
>>150801158And she's still ginger.
>>150801170She never was mixed.
>>150801001because no one remembers Carter
>>150801001Wasn't April black in the original TMNT comics?
>>150800963I thought this was a fake but apparently it's a real starter deck. Kek. Did they really put an AI generated image on the box cover?
>>150801233No she just got a perm in issue 4. She was always white
>>150801233No. Her race was ambiguous.Enough with your we wuzzing, negro
>>150800963did they ... did they white wash bebop?
>>150801220ok
>more Rise and Mutant Mayhem crapI wanna strangle whoever decided to give Raph that stupid half mask thing.
>>150801275No matter how much they try, I will never like black April. Ever.
>>150801314Go for it.
>>150801321you will love fridge bod April or you WILL be accused of racism.
Red Skies were a definition of "good idea, wasted potential and shit execution". It started out interesting too, but quickly became stupid (and not in a good way) in a classic TMNT fashion. I feel like TMNT as a franchise is cursed to become shit if a particular incarnation keeps on going long enough. I remember /co/ liked IDW Turtles in 2011.And while a lot of cartoon villains I like were voiced by Tony Jay, Lord Dregg was not it.
>>150801296Lol. I was thinking the same thing.
>>150801341IDW went to shit because mutation became a metaphor for trans rights and shit. Woke people took over and ruined it.
>>150801108t.
>>150801363IDW has a company mandate that woke themes must be included in all their properties regardless of the IP. Transformers, GI Joe, TMNT, Godzilla, Sonic, all applies.
>>150801414Its not a company mandate, they just happen to keep hiring people that like to tout that stuff.
>>150801233No, she was white. April being a white girl was pretty much settled when issue #2 was being made.
>>150801302that's not April in the comics
>>150801379I'm not a jeet
>>150801363Bully all woketards
>>150800963AI
They just won't stop
>>150801520Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrre
>>150801340Ok. I'll gladly take being a racist over whatever shit that ugly that thing.
>>150800963April is a nigger
>>150801321You dont like tmnt anyway.
>>150801545The boxset is real but the image on it is AI generated. Glad to see I'm not the only one who noticed.
>>150801591>if you dislike black April you're a touristwhat did he mean by this?
>>150801591I liked the 80s & 2003 version. 2012 version is also ok. Stop nerfing & raceswapping April.
>>150800963Black April becoming the norm when redhead white April is the superior version is kinda disheartening.
>>150801591>I AM TRANS!Sista... we know
>>150801507Obviously.
>>150800963I hope this shit stops after the Skydance buyout.
>>150801637>>150801379
>>150801637No redheads allowed, anon.
>>150801668It will never stop
>>150801637If you're not black & you like black April, then you are a cuck & you should feel bad
>>150801606>>150801627>>150801639Uh huh
>>150800963if she's black give her bazongaswhat are we doing
>>150801719Stop projecting
>>150801751Sorry sweetie, but making our female characters visually or narratively appealing would be a heckin' misogyny. You WILL learn to love the ugly BPD hoes.
>>150800963Why they even started to blackify April in the first place?Was such a random stuff to do, specially talking about a well established characters sonce the 80's raise of the tmnt was the first cartoon to do it right?
>>150801771Nigger lover
>>150801233why the fuck does that matter?bringing back TMNT is always an 80s nostalgia ploy and the most iconic look of April is that versioneven if you don't want to argue that, the millennials who didn't grow up with the 80s version grew up with the 00s one, so if you want to appeal to their nostalgia thats the version you go with. same saying goes for zoomers who grew up with the 10s version no one saw rise, and the target demo for that show would still be to young to buy magic in mass, and the newest movie had the worst april
>>150801819They hate white people. It's loxism in full display
>>150801825Cope jeet
>>150801819a hatred of white people. Hell look at mutant mahem, the only white male is from the show, and a total worthless loser who annoys everyone.Seth Rogan did say he wanted less whites in Hollywood, I didn't think that'd transfer to tmnt as well.
>>150801637She was S tier as a brunette & A tier even as ginger. She became F tier the moment they started blackwashing her.
>>150801819So Seth Rogen can jerk himself off about how progressive he is. This is what constitutes career-building in Hollywood.
>>150801850You're a newfag. Lurk more. It's the jeet & jew spammers that are BBC cucks.
>>150800963"a turtle in every pack"a so its another 45 spiderman in the set situation.
>>150801170>>150801547Considering that figure was marketed alongside the unmentionable turtles, NECA most likely based her skin tone off of her appearence on the The Unmentionables cover art. I guess perm April's more iconic appearence on the cover art of True Stories was considered too light skinned for what they were going for.
>>150801882I just don't understand what's going on with white western guys. They have always been more prone to suicide since I was a kid, but now they just WANT to be depopulated, and even want to be "women". Wtf is goin on with them? I hope they never remake Little House On The Prairie. Pa would be a runaway slave who finds love with a white woman who hides him until the manhunters move on, and has recently lost her husband to a bear attack or some shit.
>>150802076whites have been force fed non stop anti white propaganda for decades. It's what happens when you claim a race has inherited sins and shit
Fine. April can be white. A 1:1 version of 80s April O'Neil. Huge tits and yellow jumpsuit and all.But Casey Jones is going to be black. Just the most basic huge black athletic bull on earth. And hes getting the kill monger haircut.
>>150802204just create a new black character man. Or use Baxter, Baxter is fucking awesome.
>>150802040>her skin tone, >but not the outfitbullshit, they HAD to be looking at the pic for the outfit and could've used the correct skin tone there
>>150802236No. Buck bull kill monger hairstyle Casey Jones is going to turn sweet little April's fire bush into a semen drenched crime scene. And its not going to be just obviously filthy "he's murder fucking her" tier sex. Their going to be an embarrassingly loving caring couple too. The kind that nauseated people with how happy and close they are even when they have massive fights...that end in sex Besides. 80s cartoon Baxter was Jewish coded so we're going with that. Might even make him act like Jeff goldblum.
>>150801302>in the 1980s even a 30yo comics dork could get a cute latina wifeWe live in hell
>>150802565Her appearence on page 100 of TMNT Book II seems like a dead ringer.https://archive.org/details/teenagemutantnin0000kevi
>>150800963At least she's still hot and a redhead
>>150802653>LatinaAnon...Shes a halfu.
>>150802825good one anon
>>150802826LIVINGINHELL
>people are STILL shitposting about April being "black" or mixed in the Mirage comics after it's been proven 100 times by now that that was never the caseIt's the shit that keeps on shitting.
>>150801302I thought that was Idubbbz in the thumbnail.
>>150803011Damn. Okay anon, love us out there fur everyohe. Just have to persistent and lucky.
>>150802802Nope
>>150800963Noone asked for this. The oldfags jumped ship due to Beyond. GenA doesnt know Turtles (at least not the version this is based on, the 80s one). And I'm fucking annoyed that I don't give a shit about any set in 2026 except Lorwyn and we barely get Commander precons, even.So if they even turn Beyond into boring shit and remove the precons, there's nothing left for me. Final Fantasy was the only set this year that wasn't absolute garbage to draft, either. Ugh. Good that I started a new deck, that kept me busy at least.
>>150801379It's funny how Apu started out as making fun of things which Indians are still made fun of today (scamming by selling expired meats, only caring about making money, hiring relatives out of India for stuff local teenagers could do, phony insincere integration) but became a propaganda piece about how great foreigners are and especially how much better than Americans they are.
>>150803867Apu is a much more complex and sympathetic person than the vast majority of actual IRL jeets. I don't think I've ever worked with an H-1B who had a personality.
>>150801233Fucking NO.NO, jesus
>>150802040In issue #4, April gets a perm.Prior to that she had it back in a pony tail.white women in the 80s got perms all the time
>>150804151This is how she looked in #3
The cover of #2Not black, not latina...a GINGER white girl
>>150800963This is why you don't give them an inch, they get too excited amd start rewritting history
>>150800963>racists seething today is a good day
This will be a thing until everyone who grew up on 2K3 at least dies out
>>150801233No. It's Stockman who was black in comic but was made white in the first cartoon
>>150804206I'm going to add to this, this is the colored interior for that issue with color by Kevin, ken, and Janice.
>>150804261because people arent gonna do anything to stop it
>>150804286Here is the interior credits page for that comic, proving that it was a project approved by Kevin.
>>150804300And here is the newsletter from 1986 proving that Eastman and Laird signed off on that cover and colors.
>>150800963Black April is doing it for me. My cock goes in there.
>>150804257Yeah, racists seethe so much that they had to blackwash a character
>whites are dying out and no longer the majority >art reflects this
And just in case someone is extra fucking retarded and tries to post that one off error where April is black, the IDW recolor for TMNT classics paperback fixes the known color issue where April appeared black in the first printing. You can also see her with the perm here.
>>150804337>racism >against whites not an actual thing. nice gaslighting
>>150801233That's a long story!And the long story can be summed up with one word: No.
>>150801314The 'Do Rag? Please do.
>>150804343Dont use Whisper for your bullshit kid.
>>150804361Anyone can be racist anon, is not a superpower lmao
>>150800963The awful Bebop redesign offends me far more than black April #3I don’t understand how they can always do Rocksteady right, but not always Bebop
>>150800963Lol she's doing the thing
Is Magic just Fortnite now?
>people shocked the negroify April when they're the same company that pulled this shit
>>150804468based. I will now buy your pokeman cards
>>150804468The IP holders just need to have some spine. They didn’t try any of this with the Final Fantasy event
>>150804398Yes durag
>>150804507>being racist >spine kek
>>150804343I know why the caged clitty leaks.
>>150804531Never seen that before.
>>150804466I feel like it’s more Super Smash Bros. This is what happens when you prioritize a fan format instead of the real game
>>150804468Wow, this one actually makes me ragefull.Damn, how could they ignore the most basic stuff about that race?
>>150804594think its something they need to middleground on. theyve already broken the format with vivi because they focused on the game
>>150804640that made up race that doesnt exist except as an idea created long before tolkein tried to steal credit for it?
I really like the actual game of Magic the Gathering, but buying the cards is a waste of money because I never get to play with them. The only other people who play are trannies and I just don't want to be in an enclosed space with trannies.
>>150804680yet youre here with us?
>>150801001People who genuinely don't care about TMNT but keep getting jobs to work on these projects tend to love making the "chuds" mad, see redditors and other idiots repeating the lie that she was always black or mixed or that she was going to be and then she wasn't, and they unironically think they are doing the world a service by putting black people where they don't belong.
>>150804673Wakandians should be white
>>150804698I'm serious, when I see a man wearing spaghetti straps and a miniskirt, which I saw last time I was in a comic shop, I get sick to my stomach.
>>150804673"Human" isn't a made up race you stupid cunt. Aragon's description from the books: >"Tall and lean with a shaggy head of dark hair flecked with grey, and in a pale stern face a pair of keen grey eyes."
>>150804361so much this, sister
>>150800963
>it's another "leftoids can't create anything good so they just destroy what already exists" episode
>>150802623kill yourself already.
>>150804468What's funny is that while this is fucking awful, the most egregious example is actually this card
>>150802623you are brain brokendont know how a fag like you functions in reality
Nah, I don't give a shit about Magic anyway. Bought my Spidey cards, and I'm done
>>150804713nothings stopping you from making that fanfic
>>150800963>I'll never sink all ten inches of bbc into black April.
>>150804885Jesus, congratulations
>>150804361
>>150804257
>>150802802look how light her skin is there compared to >>150801547fucks sake
>>150801233She was.
>tons of different types of brown people around the world>everyone always assume every brown character is black
>>150801001April and Baxter Stockman were black.Raphael and Bebop are black coded.The April I prefer most is the one who doesn't appear in my story about teenage mutant ninja turtles.
>>150801233>>150806301That was just a perm.
>>150806429>coded.kill yourself
>>150806345They don't assume. They just WANT every character to be black
>>150806585Also Splinter is asian. Seethe harder.
>>150806687You mean because hes a rat?
>>150806715Only people with no love in their hearts hate Splinter.
>>150806687
>>150806429>the one with impulse control problems is black coded.I fucking love how racist you retarded progressives are while being completely oblivious to it.
>>150804507Black tifa would've been very funny
So chudposting is just the new shitposting?
>>150806687Splinter is an Asian rat, I agree. Bebop is a black street punk mutated into a humanoid boar, yes. Raphael has a temper that only black men could have? You might be racist.
>>150806429>Raphael and Bebop are black coded.Bebop is more than just black "coded".
>>150806969>So chudposting is just the new shitposting?
>>150806429Why lie like this about April when we have proof in this very thread that's not the case? I don't understand why people tell just obvious lies when the proof against it is abundantly clear.
>>150806927Hes black or italian coded. Depending on if he has a Brooklin accent or hood accent.
>>150801233> O'NeilThis blatant irish racial propaganda has gotta stop.
>>150801001Because the left lied about her being black in the original comic and now have the excuse they need to make her black in all media forever now.
>>150807157lol
>>150804468
>>150801022>>150801001Wokes hate gingers
>>150807288
>>150807288>>150807319AYO MAYNE I'M FINNA HACK INTO DA MATRIX
>>150801285No, she was straight up white.
>>150807046only faggots say coded.
I have a question, how come Sonic is a franchise with a bunch of famous female characters and a ton of OCs and TMNT barely has notable female characters? not to mention the background of the mutants is "I was a human before" is fuel for furry OCs.
>>150807046>Hes black or italian coded.Because he has impulse control problems?You're not really explaining what a code is or how Raphael is coded.You're just being the kind of racist we can expect from the party that keeps house niggers.
>>150807450One factor is the executive decision that female mutants can't have breasts.
>>150802802Yeah that's not a black woman.You have to understand the comic was made during the 80s when alot of girls were copying Madonna's perm. Pic-rel.
>>150807450Name of the catgirl?
>>150807648>what a code ishttps://youtu.be/Inxpw4LOhg4?t=20
>>150807361Hes bkack or Italian.Your sister-mom should have swallowed instead of letting your dad-grandpa creampie her.
>>150801545What am I looking at here? What's the AI tell?
>>150807648Have you seen tmnt the movie?Cause he acts black/Italian and every life action version has followed that trend.
>>150807788>Cause he acts black/ItalianDefine what his actions are that are specifically black or italian because the only thing anyone ever remembers about Raph is he's the angry one.This is harder than getting feminists to define what a woman is.
>>150801001Ever since the Viacom merger and the acquisition of the TMNT IP, Paramount has become a bit more excessive with mandated diversity. Viacom usually didn't do this because they were small when compared to WB and Disney (and feared fans dropping their products), but ever since the merger and acquisition of TMNT, they've been ramping it up in an attempt to grab what little Blackrock money they can get, on top of looking good to whatever investors remain that continue to huff Larry Fink's copium towards DEI and ESG.It's why the new Fairy Odd Parents sequel series started a black female protagonist, why the new Avatar series stars two dark-skinned female twins as the leads, and why April continues to almost always be black in newer adaptations.In April's case, it's because the human cast of TMNT is actually pretty small when compared to the endless amount of fantasy and sci-fi characters that the turtles usually interact with. Since April is the biggest (and sole) audience surrogate, she's the only one who CAN be raceswapped. It's not an accident that the buyout of the IP coincided with the 2012 Turtles starting the push to make the Turtles act more like younger teenagers, but also to involve them interacting with the human world more. It's kinda why Rise and Mutant Mayhem were divisive with older fans. The older fans with spending money are becoming increasingly alienated by new TMNT products that seek to undermine the whole appeal of the TMNT in favor of making things mundane/domestic/emasculated/infantilized.I don't want to see the Turtles act like middle schoolers or actual awkward teenagers. If I wanted that, I'd go work at a school.
>>150804151>>150801659How long till people claim kyle ia black?
>>150807855Feminists can define what a woman is. They had to to get things like title IX and voting rights passed.
>>150807997Twenty years ago.https://youtu.be/axBZINwFiWE?t=310
>>150807934And I'll speak for the fans: everyone would be fine with a black April if subsequent TMNT projects from 2012 and onwards DIDN'T KEEP UNDERMINING THE ENTIRE POINT OF APRIL O'NEIL AS A CHARACTER.April is supposed to be not just the audience surrogate, but specifically a mother figure to the turtles. Regardless of whether things are dark like the Mirage comics or light-hearted like the 80s cartoon, April's core role is that she is the maternal presence that keeps the boys from losing their empathy and compassion. She cares for them, nurtures them, worries about them, and fusses over them. If April never showed up in their lives, the Turtles would have remained trapped by darkness, fighting, and vengeance. The human world might be afraid of the boys, but April exists to prove that there are kind people out there in the world that will accept them for who they are, shell and all.>and then the 2012 show made April into a teen>and then Rise made April into a teen>and then Mutant Mayhem made April into a teen (even though she was originally in her 20s in earlier drafts)
BLACK APRIL O'NEILMY FAT COCKHER MOUTHDO THE MATH
>>150807855The only thing you remember about him is hus temper from the children's cartoon. His live action version had a personality that was Italian or black.
>>150808009they can easily define what a woman is in biological terms but not culturally
>>150808200Handy, since "woman" is a biological category.
>>150807696Tomoe Ame, she appears in TMNT 2003 but it's a character from Usagi Yojimbo
>>150807746you're black or retarded
>>150807317because theyre the only "different" type of people that dont complain about being different.
>>150800963>Mikey has four fingers on his left hand.>Game controller look smaller than drink can.
>>150809141im not defending anything or anyone but that looks like a plastation controller and i always recall them being flimsy, light and small.
>>150800963They race-swapped Bebop too? He's looking a lot whiter here.
How do long time MTG players feel about all this crossoverslop?
>>150809256go on /tg/ and find out for yourself?
>>150801001>>150801170>>150801233Thing is, if they try to make April Puerto Rican, then she would be Mexican in all but name. Basically a spanglish speaking choula barely here from Tijuana. People in LA who make this shit really have no fucking clue there is any difference at all and they just make every single person with a Spanish last name into a thick-accented Mexican immigrant 10 times out of 10.
You know what annoys me is not the raceswap but black is the only race they race swap April to. Don't they think when they keep making her black, it will just alienate other races anyways instead of seeing appeal as a character whose race is flexible and can be relatable no matter what? Why cant April be black, then Asian, then Indian or whatever color of rainbow comes next.
>>150809530Because once a character has been swapped to black, it becomes even MORE racist to make them into anything else in any later incarnation.
He acts like a hothead from the Bronx. I'M black. Raph doesn't act like any nigga I ever met. He acts like some New Yorker white guy (with probably an italian family name) with a chip on his shoulder from a rough background. If he were human, he'd literally be the protag of a Rocky ripoff.
>>150806715Because in either of his origins, he's japanese. He was a japanese human in canon, and in the movie lore, he was a rat born in Japan. No matter how you slice it, he's as japanese as Ninjara.
>>150807671Rolling
>>150801545Michelangelo is no pan confirmed.
>>150809666this look like AI slop generate images...
>>150801233She was whatever this is
>>150802076No, no, wait, NO, I was just JOKING!!It's real:Netflix is remaking Little House on the Prairie as a new one-hour drama series, set to premiere in 2025, based on Laura Ingalls Wilder's books. The reboot will be showrun by Rebecca Sonnenshine and will blend hopeful family drama with an "epic survival tale" and the "origin story of the American West". The new cast includes Alice Halsey as Laura, Luke Bracey as Charles, Crosby Fitzgerald as Caroline, and Skywalker Hughes as Mary.
>>150809530The whole justification behind April being black is because "well, lots of black people live in densely populated cities like LA, NYC, and Portland" even though it ignores the reality that>these cities are mostly segregated by class/race which means an overwhelming amount of black people in these areas are stuck living in the poorest parts, and have little contact with their white counterparts>the richer part of these cities do have black people, but they're tiny when compared to how many Anglos, Asians, and Jews outnumber them>the raceswapping doesn't change the fact that they still act and dress like white people
>>150800963I like Apriland Bebopand Thorsteady
>>150809592Same shit when they make a character gay. They from that point forward must always be gay in every future incarnation forever.
>>150808167Problem with the black Aprils we have is they keep making black Irmas and calling them April.
>>150800963Please explain what is wrong with making a white character black.
>>150801108me but every time I see a fucking wojak
>>150809329Well Latin Americans were okay with LARPing as whites who occasionally said something Spanish or LARPed as black till the cops came. They let ((them)) strip them of their unique identity. So now their just cultureless border hoppers with better then normal English.
>>150809783Anon, this is to help enforce the Atlantic skate trade origin of blacks. Even has syberian natives LARPing as actual natives. Its propaganda to protect the silver dollar Indians from public scrutiny. There isha lot of bad shit that happened back then.
>>150809759A jew?
>>150810034I don’t care about it because I don’t consume media made after 2000 like a shithead
>>150810034>it just calls attention to how the character is still white in the source material which begs the question of "why isn't the character white in the adaptation">it's not always consistent across the board (why does the supporting cast get raceswapped but not the antagonists or main characters) >despite touting diversity, the characters still act white as fuck (and whenever they DON'T act white, they act trashy/annoying/like stereotypes)>it's never a new type of raceswap, it's usually just "well, they're black forever now I guess" for subsequent adaptations>you can tell the creatives don't really live around black people that aren't living in gentrified urban neighborhoods>the industry is plagued by excessive studio mandates, busybody mom groups, and pussified writers going "you can't portray such-and-such group as bad in ANY way" which results in things being two-dimensional, desexed, and infantilized (nevermind Wicked and its consequences resulting in the "nobody is a bad guy" phenomenon)>companies don't get that geeky media is aggressively white as fuck, and will never appeal to black audiences unless they actually support black-owned IP and businessesCatwoman's the only example I can think of where they pulled the raceswap well because Eartha Kitt's portrayal is straight up a third civilian identity sharing the mantle, but also because she's still allowed to be hot and intimidating, something that remains consistent with Catwoman adaptations regardless of her race.
>>150810305eartha kitt was fugly
>>150810705Eartha kitten was one of the baddest bitches in Hollywood. Yes she was DEEP in the Satanist portion and the highest quality piece of escort ass since Elizabeth Taylor.That doesn't matter shes hot.
>>150810705fuck your fucking mouth little bitchdont you fucking dare about that sexual icon
>>150801296went from boar to pig probably.
>>150804468>AI slopNice try.
>>150804799I literally have no idea what is wrong with it. Isn't Smaug supposed to look like that? Or is it a ballance issue? I don't play Magic, but as a Yugioh/Hearthstone player, 14 tokens of any kind sounds like some OP shit.
>>150804713No they shouldn't. but T'Challa should have a daughter that gets impregnated by a white character. I bet that would make people mad.Rightoids would cry because "muh racemixing" and leftoids would cry because "muh olonization"
>>150809759a girl who fell for the big hair and suntan memes of the time. Seems white to me
>>150800963I cant wait for MtG to go belly up. Hopefully, it will be filled closely by the TCG speculator bubble finally popping and driving normies and investment bros out of the hobby
>>150801170>Bring backWhite women got perm in the 80s faggot
>>150809918Irma was never this ugly.>>150810034If it doesn't matter, why do it in the first place?
>>150807317>Wokes hate gingersNo, jews hat gingers. They see all gingers/redheads as the descendants of Esau, the eldest son of Isaac and the older brother of Jacob. Jacob being the progenitor of the isrealites (jews) who usurped Esau's place as Isaac's heir and as god's chosen. They want to erase them from the world because it's a reminder of what they are and, more importantly, what they truly are not because their whole perception of themselves is built upon a lie.
>>150801057Not your racism. Their racism.
>magic the gatheringand nothing of value was lost, shit is for fags
>>150813571>He doesn't knowI'm sorry Anon, but MtG "artists" are, in fact, worse than AI image generators
>>150804206>>150804286>>150804300>>150804322Even if all the cum guzzling, corpo fellating giga faggots won't acknowledge the proof, I will
>>150801212Good, we're making concessions now
>>150803658It was never about being right Anon, it was always about demoralization. A very small contingent of Discord trannies, maybe even as few as one, just need to buy a 4chan plus account and spam the ever loving shit out of any controversial thread. They create the illusion of a wider consensus to which you do not belong and cause you to eventually give up against the supposed wall of overwhelming mockery. Of course, since we know that this is is the tactic, it actually doesn't work nearly so well as it use to.
>>150800963Ok
