>given the right circumstances man will always resort back to his beastial nature.was he right?
>>150829203Maybe
>>150829203>given the right circumstances x will always happenmeaningless
That encounter with the cannibal proved nothing. See what Darwin wasnt considering is that all of his colleagues were horrifically murdered just to prove his theory correct and now the only surviving one probably thinks hes a complete lunatic. He will be disregarded in the academic field for this.
>>150829203Highly likely
>>150829203>people can be manipulated to act how you wantNo wai...
>>150829203Most people barely behave any better than animals, what do you think?
>>150829239Yeah its pointless pseudo-intellectual drivel. Which I suppose British gentlemen of those days were fond of making.
>>150829203yeah, boil water for too long and it will bubble over.
>>150829203he was.civility is a contract, not an instinct.
>>150829335Humans are just animals that make contracts
>>150829589Real life shows that its not really all that simplePeople stranded in lifeboats have shown that even with lives hanging by a thread, they dont instantly devolve into everyman for themselvesEven when they are forced to resort to cannibalism, they try to go about it civilly, ie. They all give consent to be eaten if they die If anything, humans have shown that civility is often something we default to im emergenciesA full on hobbessian state of nature requires that one person deliberately stir the pot, our bestial side has to be artificially forced to the surface
>>150829203Not always, but there are still people who will openly kill each other for a Black Friday deal.
>>150829681>they try to go about it civilly, ie. They all give consent to be eaten if they dieits literally in "sailors" lore than if there hope of landfall they will "draw straws". the last man should be the captain hence the term goes down with the ship.
>>150829681Yes It was demonstrated(clumsily) in the dark knight returns with the boat scene. Things like the lord of the flesh are retarded propaganda for oligarchy and monarchy. Like watching yet another fucking zombie flick where everyone is inexplicably fucking retarded and thinking this is how prople act. Its fucking ridiculous
>>150829709I really wanna play VtMB at some point, shit looks dope.I don't know much about installing patches though.
>>150829681Yeah, it has to be a total "do or die" situation to force you to do the unthinkable.
>>150829830Why did flies spell check to flesh. Spellcheck is litterally worthless.
>>150829681To expand on this, one of the first signs of civilization was human beings helping one another (healing sick/injured humans).People will only transform back into tribalism when they suddenly fall down to the base levels of Maslow's hierarchy. If we lose our homes, our community, our sense of security and go hungry while not getting enough sleep, people go nuts.
>>150829203Sure but man's (an actual man not subhumans) most bestial nature is still more honorable than most other creaturesBeing highly social, tool using ominvores gives us a lot more leeway when it comes to adapting to bullshit.
>>150829203Yes, he even pointed it out at the end.
>>150829203What not enough people bring up about this episode is the enormous influence that REH's works have had on Primal. Conan the Barbarian pulps would often highlight the clash between barbarism and civilization, with Conan being depicted as far healthier and saner than his civilized counterparts for being in touch with his primal nature and base desires rather than deny them/compartmentalize them, allow them to rule him like an ape-man, or abuse his self-control to dominate the minds of others. Conan goes from being a pirate thief to becoming a king...and then hands the throne to his son to go fuck off and become a pirate thief again. LOL
>>150829845It's jank but it's a classic. If you have the game on Steam, look up the unofficial patch from wesp, https://www.moddb.com/mods/vtmb-unofficial-patch/downloads/bloodlines-unofficial-patch-115Double-click the file you downloaded and take the default options. You will be asked if you want the "Plus" version or the Basic version. The Plus version restores some missing content and is generally not recommended for a first playthrough but it's up to you. The patch will place a shortcut on your Desktop called "VTM Bloodlines Unofficial Patch." Launch the game through that shortcut to play the patched version. Of course if you get the game on gog, it should already have the patch installed.
>>150829564Yes.
>>150829982Yeah it's kino. I've got to assume that Genndy has read all the Conan stories.
>>150829681>They all give consent to be eaten if they dieThat is a lie 99% of the time.
>>150829681The english pedophile who wrote Lord of the Flies did so because he read an account of a group of young boys who got stranded on an island, and instead of going feral, they made a mini civilization complete with a church and housing, and this made him mad for some reason.
>>150831426>That is a lie 99% of the time.its certainly what happened in the most famous lifeboat situation where they literally drew straws to decide who was next to be eaten and even had the captain try to give himself up for the next meal rather than one of the younger sailors who drew the short straw only for the boy to willingly go with the result in line with their agreementits also what happened to the andes aircrash, where they also had a group huddle where they all decided as a group that this is what they had to do for a non cannibalism situation, the survivors of the USS indianpolis were all sharing the last of the fresh water among each other, even when it was down to a thimbleful per person, rather than fighting over the last drink for every instance where it became a mad max free for all where people resorted to force, theres another instance or two where people managed to be civil and resilient in even the face of deaththe idea that we are all beastial savage ids that are just waiting to break free from our ego is just not true
He didn’t say ALWAYSThe contention was Darlington refusing to believe a proper sophisticated Englishman COULD ever possibly return to monke and the irony was Darlington himself going grug to defeat the maniac
>>150831484I don't believe you have read Lord of the Flies or understood it. Also that real life incident you're talking about happened a decade AFTER the book was published so it wasn't an influence on the book at all.
>>150831533Of course everyone will say it was their own decision, after all the dead man can't refute them.
>>150831576>after all the dead man can't refute themno evidence that any of the survivors lied about the decision has ever been found
>>150829203True, just look at USA.
>>150829335>>150829592You don't know how well you have compared to humans from 100 years ago, let alone fucking animals
>>150831601the original quote from adam smith is "man is an animal that makes bargains" because "no dog exchanges bones with another" adam smith was not arguing that humans are essentially bestial, he was arguing what separates humans from other animals
>>150829982Sure but Conan also enjoys civilization and all its goodies, he just also recognizes that he can survive without it and will detach when its bullshit gets to him too much. Civility amongst barbarians is compelled on threat of death, and while it may be very efficient at shaking out the shitheads civility amongst the civilized is done by the good citizenry for the sheer sake of being good while sometimes the cunt barbarian is also the strongest.
>>150829203Should I try rocking this look?
>>150829203Yes
Bump
>>150829203What is exactly the bestial nature of man? His violence? His rage? His "ignorance"? His lust? How exactly do you define one's bestial nature? Lack of agency? Education? Purpose? Restraint?
>>150829203no, it's something pedos and murderers claim at court when they're looking for clemency from a jury, but there's no actual evidence for it, it's just an overly broad claim that you could never really substantiate empirically
>>150829203what about the woman?
>>150829203They laughed at him while sitting in a room full of dead animal and weapon decor. How is that different from a cro-mag warlord cave?His mistake was the premise that man ever left his "bestial" nature. There's nothing to "revert" to.
>>15082923950% of the time it works every time
No, true beastial nature would have had him try to flee against the superior enemy and only fight once cornered or upon achieving an advantage. As it is, it's just an excuse for aping out
>>150835559They tried to leave retard. Did you even watch the episode? The murderer bared the way out with also killing a cop.
A murderer will murder for fun, and the thrill. A person wanting to survive against being murdered will rise above to live. This has always been the case.
>>150831484Probably mad that he wasn't there to appoint himself priest and molest all the boys
>>150829830lord of the flies was about specifically british school children of the sort that the author taught. alor of world war vets became some sort of proto doomer.
>>150834011By the colour of their skin.
What does that even mean? It's as valid as "given in the right circumstance man will transition into woman"
>>150835559That’s…exactly what happens
>>150829709Yes, we know, le capitalism is le bad, you don't have to be such a fucking Marx brother about it.
>>150829203What's a feral human like? Any examples?
