Reminder that anything you do from here on out is completely morally justified against English and Belgian schmucks who step in on your hood.
The english didn't even colonize the philipines you fucking retard
>>150855519I guess constantly getting talked shit about you and your fellow countrymen as your suggestions regularly go ignored now counts as "girlbossing" and "gatekeeping"?
Not /co/ related.
>>150855519So legitimately asking is her hunter grouper flashed out an actual thing and will the darkness or are they OCS about a bunch of Christians hunters in the Philippines?Or probably the most likely a not very flat-style but mentioned group in the official setting ? And on the subject is the which one of these three is the scholar group the arcade?
>>150856441The Nails of Christ are from Hunter the Reckoning. They're a real thing. They're also insane and blame all the ills of their society on outsiders, so her acting like she did in the 20s was a pretty good way to show how insane they become by the modern days.
>>150855685So what?
Why won't you let Togo in?
>>150858378GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE TOGO!
>>150858378Because Togo knows what he fucking did that piece of shit
Why was there a variety of cheeses in the bucket? Was Big D drinking mop water?
Someone explain to me just what the Wyrm is exactly?
>>150858461Worse, why is there so much hair in it. and why is it all half-melted??
>>150858483In layman's terms, it's basically a god of death/decay/entropy/etc. It's rather complicated but that's your TLDR
>>150858490The cheese wills it so.
I don't get it, why did they have a bucket of cheese, where did it come from?
>>150858483The three headed sack of crazy in the lower left. It's death in WoD's trinity of Life, Death & Order.
Was Fatigue helping them as a Wraith or was it a bane?How long does it take to become a wraith anyway?
>>150858483The Triat is a typical hinduism-style creator god/incredibly powerful spirit trio composed of the Wyld, the Weaver and the Wyrm. The Wyld creates, the Weaver orders, the Wyrm destroys (so that the Wyld can create more).Except the Weaver decided to be a brat and locked up the Wyrm because it got mad Wyrm kept killing things, even if it was with good reason. This completely unbalanced the world, resulted in extreme overexploitation from humans on the natural world, rampant consumerism and capitalism and overpopulation etc. Wyld became very weakened by this, Weaver became incredibly powerful, and Wyrm became FUCK ASS MAD.So now this death/destruction god that before used to hang back tries to extend it's influence across the world via secrecy and subterfuge, mainly by abusing said capitalism through corporations like Pentex that are out there just to spread corruption and destruction. Also you might have realized by context from the Wizard game that this also means the Technocracy is basically the same to the Weaver and that's why Marvolo says they're unfathomably powerful.
>>150858693I don't think it was Fatigue, him being in Heaven and all. This was all just a push to put Kitten on a dark path.
>>150855519Honestly, Wayda becomes a much more interesting character once you see her as a seriously morally questionable Hunter who on one hand will emotionally manipulate a boy half her age with powerful, almost cult-like suggestions of "sin" to the point he will steal money for her cause, while on the other hand is paradoxically capable of raising them to be genuinely likable and good people (which in a way could be a sinister way to infiltrate and deny culpability).A benevolent psychopath, so to speak.
>>150858693Someone can become a Wraith straight away, but if we assume the stinger is canon then Fatigue is in Fucking Heaven so is likely not one
>>150858788So is God also a psychopath for repeating the exact same things as her?
>>150858824Well he is Karl the Deranged.
>>150858851
>>150858788I imagine having your child get kidnapped by an abomination who only came to your country in the middle of a war to make his son into another abomination, as well as slaughter an entire village all the while denouncing you and your way of life as "savage" tends to make one rather grouchy.
>>150858788Are you honestly surprised a Christian from nearly a hundred years is guilt tripping someone for something their father did?
>You steal the moon and you take the daughter
>>150858943This motherfucker legit scared me a lot more than both Matilda and Pyotr. Possibly in part because you don't even see the slaughter, just hear it, but also you can just tell it's form is completely wrong.
>>150858943So do you have to keep the skin on you at all times to use it, or can you just summon it at will whenever you want?
>>150859004I wanna say it's like a venom symbiote that erupts from all your orifices to cover you when it's morbin' time then retracts into your anus when you're done.
>>150858967It very much looks like he's wearing a corpse as a costume
>>150855519>So anyway that's the story of how I got enslaved and brainwashed by a bunch of noble savages>When I was finally released I made sure to give them all the money and artifacts I could get my hands on>So that they can continue their operations which probably boil down to luring white people into bomb trapsThey definitely got the boomer personality accurate for Fatigue
>>150859369Is this what the world looks like through the eyes of a perpetually self-victimizing white supremacist?
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>Is this what the world looks like through the eyes of a perpetually self-victimizing white supremacist?
>>150855519
>>150858943So freaky.
>>150859369>savagesAnon, the Philippines had been under Spanish rule for centuries, and then American rule for decades, by the time that story takes place. They were a thoroughly Christianized society by that period, and while much of the back country lived in the sort of squalor typical of colonial possessions I would hardly call them uncivilized in the sense you’re implying. So not savage at all, is what I’m saying.They did kidnap him and exploit his emotional state for funding, though.
>>150858461Amanda was still frazzled from the delirium and swapped the soup and mop water
>>150855519Weird that discussion died down so quickly.
>>150863460There's nothing to talk about right now, and if there is, it's usually fifth edition-tier political takes from the creators that make your eyes roll. They should just stick to their fetish of inserting sweaty gay men everywhere, and preferably, add more cute and crazy ladies.
>>150858783>think its your friend talking to you from the great beyond trying to help you>turns out its satan trying to corrupt you againmaybe we should not mess with forces beyond our comprehension. Who'd of thunk it.
>>150858783Grimal looks better as a blonde.
>>150858943>tfw fatigue's family that survived went on to create Cheiron Group (or whatever the OWoD equivelant is)>the whole family is getting pruned to get at the corps>poor fatigue killed by associationor it really is just his dad was a piece of shit 60 years prior
>>150858943>You take out everything that seems like devil worship
>>150858461>>150858568In her delirious confusion, Amanda mixed up the soapy water for the mop bucket and the cheese for eating. That's why D's "soup" was a bunch of blue bubbles and why the mop bucket was full of cheese.>>150858490What do you think happens when you leave cheese in a mop bucket at room temperature for a while? It gets warm and covered in the detritus at the bottom of the mop bucket.
>>150864309I dont think it was the delirium, Amanda literally got her brain fried by Remold’s torture device
>>150864321In her delirious and tortured and exposed to the supernatural world for the first time ever confusion then.
>>150859521You mean the guys who do NOT have a literal codified hierarchy of victimhood?
>>150864402But they do, it's just a very simple one. No one's more of a victim than them.
>>150859369>I made sure to give them all the money and artifacts I could get my hands onFrom a strictly utilitarian point of view, is it really that bad considering that the Arcanum seem to have shifted from an active hunter organization to ivory tower academics. (The Blacklaw family notwithstanding.) Knowledge and understanding is nice and all but that doesn't change how people are actively being harmed by the supernatural and the people with power to help seem content to tie their hands in order to ignore it until it explicitly becomes their problem. (Ghoul infiltration and all that)Worse, when the Arcanum is active in a hunter capacity it's as part of the Coalition who are at best a front for the Technocracy, pro-human but servants of an OCD-riddled Weaver, or at worst Pentex, anti-everyone servants of the Wyrm. In that sense, funneling resources to a more active hunter organization seems to be a net positive for the world.
We got hunters for vamps and werewolves but does anyone specialize in hunting changelings and fae folk?
>>150865384Dauntain (closeted fairies) and Autumn People (literally the most boring people you can imagine)
You know logically if the Garou were actually fighting for the enviroment then why haven't they genocided indians yet?
>>150865513>>150865384Well, if we take the new world of darkness, the changelings are mostly just trying to hide from the fae folk and true fae creature pretty much bend reality to their will, so either you'd be hunting the equivalent of ex-kidnapees that have been magically scarred by their enslavers or creatures so powerful that if they noticed you, they'd turn you into an animal or furniture on sight.
>>150865944In the original apocalypse version, due to in-fighting because the werewolves were their own biggest enemy, due to being too focused in their own packs or being glory hounds and wanting their specific clan to deal with the enemies of Gaia. In the more recent version, they are basically spirit detectives and way less organized and powerful than the first version, so they'd just not have enough manpower to kill all indians, even if they wanted.
>>150865106The weaver did nothing wrong. The weaver adopted humanity and protected us from garou sperging the fuck out.The weaver is our mother, you don't hate mommy do you?
>>150865944If tha Garou didn't try to genocide the Ratkin then India wouldn't be an issue. The Ratkin are the solution to overpopulation
>>150865106The Arcanum are ivory tower scholars first and foremost, and hunters like tenth or something; if the Arcanum hunts, it's usually to research rather than remove a terror. Their whole purpose is putting their resources to understanding the quarry and its nature and its causes, rather than spending them on minute solutions. Their laws are more learning-centered, but their founder-formed mission statement is 'we know the world will eventually come aflame, and the only way to stop that is to understand the causes and the mechanisms and how to stop them'. You can quite reasonably compare the organization Wernon supported with Garou. Both are crippled with pride, xenophobia and zealotry. Both are fighting an objectively good fight in its nature in ways that are at time self-defeating, and fundamentally pursue lower-scale, replaceable problems, not the true cause of the woes of the world. Both pursue short-term relief over long-term solution. Ultimately, Garou are losing, and so are the hunters of the world. Unless we look at V5. Which is shit. So we don't do that.
>>150865944The World of Darkness was written in the 90s. India was mostly irrelevant at that point and was considered 99% rural, religious backwater by the writers, rather than anywhere where meaningful pollution to place. This is also why China was mostly insignificant while Japan was the hub of industry and technological progress in the Far West.When learning about the World of Darkness, you really need to keep in mind that it was written thirty years ago in a very different political, cultural and economic climate.
>>150865971Why not both?
>>150866058Okay so then why aren't they genociding indians in V5?
How long until we deal with Mages?
>>150866124Because sensibilities by the point that W5 was written had dramatically changed and blaming non-Western country for any pollution they cause would have led to accusations of environmental colonialism.
>>150865944Nobody wants to fuck with the Nagah even though they think they’re extinct.
>>150866151Fixed
>>150866231Too many words. Is this a lefty meme?
>>150866799It gets the message across more accurately than a handful of pithy, low-effort memes.
By the way, why does D call Grimal a "kuei-jin believer"Are they a myth now
>>150867065Probably doesnt differentiate them from vampires
>>150856087You will never be a janny.
>>150867065It's a meta jokeKuei-jin in world of darkness are vampires but they're special vampires from asia They're pretty goofy so in this show they have the characters say that they're a bunch of LA larpers pretending to be Japanese and Chinese
>>150868774Aren't they different from vampires on a fundamental level?
>We just released, BUT, we want to inform of what's next.>Many have already had it figured out since Chapter 4.>We're preparing for some sloppy, nasty, glistening, pre-chewed, sewer-ready Burger Hours.
>>150868847I do not care for Boy
>>150868847BOOOORRGERRRRRRR!!!
>>150868847I was wondering why they took so long for a borgar.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5tnVODuI-g
>>150868838Kind of but not really, at most they're separate from the curse of Caine but that's really the only MAJOR thing that's wholly different
>>150869289>at most they're separate from the curse of Cainethat's a really big thing though.
>>150869289They also>are spirits that have escaped from the underworld>can't embrace>can have children>don't make ghouls>harvest chi from a variety of sources rather than just blood>have a p'o, which is more like a wraith's shadow than a vampire's beastAre those differences not major enough?
If the Garou are so powerful how are they so absolutely fucked all the time?
>>150863460wdym? This is like the fourth thread and they all almost hit bump limit. This is how discussion usually goes, a bunch of threads after the immediate release then it slows down.
>>150870046They're kind of clinically retarded
>start the war of rage by killing a garou messenger asking another garou to stop hassling the other fera>no one cares or remembers you or your people because lol funny wolves am dumb
>>150870046>>150870097They were highly effective when humans were tribal and only used melee weapons. Issue is the wolves never really updated their tactics and strategy. Even in war form like 3-5 guys with shotguns can mulch them pretty well. They're essentially muderhobos stuck in a RP server that punishes fighting severely.
How does the stake jacket work?
>>150870710Stakes lay flat and then get pulled erect and locked in place somehow. A lot of practical movie effects are done in the same way for stuff like arrows being shot into people.
>>150870922That makes sense in the first episode but they're clearly taped on in episode five. Something he did in ten seconds accounting for slow motion.
>>150870046Mix of constant infighting, being stronger than average but generally outclassed by most other factions' higher tiers, and being rage-fueled retards that constantly end up bringing an indiscriminate hammer when a scalpel is needed which leads to a lot of potential allies keeping them at arms length at best. They are skilled warriors, not effective tacticians or diplomats but they killed much of the fera that filled that niche and tried to take over that role anyway.
>>150870046>The humans they abused got gud and invented stuff to mog em from a safer distance>Humans far out number them at this point>They tend to hinder themselves with their perpetual retardation and in fighting >The other supernatural factions are smarter with them and know how to relatively play nice with humans. See vampires. The whole point of the Masquerade is because they know that they'd get ass fucked by humanity if they ever got wise and banded together to wipe em out.
>>150868847So is Boy going to nuke the place when he sees horse in a burger? Also isn't that the 99p store by it?
>>150871495Raw strength can't compensate for being retarded.Unless you're in a bar fight, but warfare isn't so cut and dry.
>>150870922>>150871069It also suits Markus pretty well, since he's a horror movie appreciator, he probably picked it up that way.He should still carry a fucking gun around though.
>>150870046Because they're retards who're also as a group full of themselves and absolutely refuse, at any point, to ever admit they've fucked up.You'll never get the Garou to admit the Impergium was wrong and fucked them up the ass because it meant they can't show humanity what's actually going on because they simply can't prove anything.You'll never even get them as a whole to admit that they need to work with humans.They've fucked themselves and they're too proud to admit that their people have shat the bed in so many horrible ways that is now coming back to bite them.Admittedly most of the furries have, each of them that provoke Delirium was part of Plan 'hey I got a great idea! Let's start killing fucking everyone and never stop, that'll definitely for sure work!' and now they're eating shit for it.I'll admit I don't know if the original writers for the RPG really saw it as a bad thing, they were kinda fucked in the head.
>>150873173You didn't read the filename.My guess is Door will burn the place down when he realizes the meat is fake meat.
>>150870046They're all retarded, so retarded in fact that they're literally responsible for everything wrong with the world, they tried to genocide humanity so hard that all humans are genetically terrified of them but they became blubbering bitches as soon as humans figured out how to wield silver, they exterminated all of the other shapeshifters responsible for actually looking after the world, they're basically responsible for driving the Weaver insane which is what led to the Wyrm being imprisoned and the Wyrm going insane, they're genuinely retarded and responsible for all of the worst shit in the setting, it wouldn't be the World of Darkness if the Garou were even a tiny bit less retarded, you seriously wouldn't believe just how retarded the Garou are, even after hundreds of generations of constantly fucking up and making things worse for everyone, they're still retarded, they're still clinging to the same old traditions, the entire setting would be a million times better and brighter if Gaia never made them, these retards are original sin made manifest, there genuinely isn't anyone anywhere near as retarded as the Garou are in any other setting ever, there is almost no fight that the Garou would not fumble and end up losing, they are just that retarded, they even try to exterminate each other in their retardation without realising how much worse they are making the world, they really are the source of all of the World of Darkness's problems, that's how retarded they are
>>150870097>>150870523>>150871160>>150871495>>150873510>>150873916>>150874034Isn't this supposed to be a game though?What's the appeal of playing one of the Garou supposed to be?How are you supposed to have fun in a game where the entire premise that you're a giant retard who gets absolutely fucked by everyone else all of the time?Did anyone actually play this game if it's just a retard simulator?
>>150874223If you're playing a game you at least have some agency on what your character does and can set whatever goals your character personally wants to accomplish.The lore exists as part of the staging, the background, the props, the stock NPCs if the GM needs them. It's up to the players and the dice to decide how the game goes.The tone of the game and how much you use or ignore is part of player freedom.
>>150874285But why would I want to play a game where I'm a retard and everyone on my team is a retard too?Are you saying that the game is only playable if you ignore how retarded all of the Garou are?
>>150874328I could list some the retarded things humans have done and are still doing in real life and you'll ask me "Why would anyone want to be human? All they do is fuck everything up!"You go by an individual, case-by-case basis in a game. Your player character doesn't have to be retarded and there is an actual win condition for the Garou, just like there is for the other factions. Actually pulling that off, despite the odds, is the type of challenge some players are into.
>>150874223PC Garou are different and can choose NOT to be a retard
>>150874536most of the time they choose to be even more retarded and can bumblefuck their way to success usually thanks to the designated tard wrangler player
>>150874519Humans have done all sorts of wonderful things. We've made life for ourselves better than it has ever been, we're living in a golden age of technology and education and healthy living and luxury.Looks to me like the Garou have done absolutely nothing but be retards for the entirety of their existence. Have the Garou even ever done anything that isn't retarded?>>150874536Why would my character be the only non-retarded Garou when all of the Garou are retarded? What's the explanation for that?Why would I even want to play the only non-retard in a world full of retards? What's the appeal of that?This game is starting to sound as retarded as the Garou.
>>150874584If you think the garou are bad you should look into all the stupid shit vampires get up to and how if they'd stop backstabbing each other shit wouldn't be so bad. And all that still pales in comparison to the sort fuck ups mages get into. Worst that can happen to vamps and wolves is a small town dies while when mages fuck up they can alter reality.
>>150874630So the World of Darkness is actually just the World of Retards.What's the appeal here? Why am I supposed to care about a story about a bunch of retards fucking everything up for each other and themselves?Is it just slapstick comedy with an edgy coat of paint?
>>150874328Personally I'm kind of thinking the writers of the rpg actually agreed with the Garou. They didn't realize just how retarded the fleabags were.
>>150874584Can't think of anything if I'm being honest.>>150874630Mages have still done incredibly good things, so that comparison doesn't work. The other anon talked about how humans have done good things, and asked if Garou have done anything good.
>>150874660So why is Ogre Poppenang wasting their time covering this retard game? It seems like a waste of time to me. Why not focus on the cool vampires instead of the chronically retarded dog people?
>>150874652All RPG games can turn into slapstick because you're at the mercy of the dice rolls. With the right rolls farmer ted can kill a god. That's the fun of tabletop games where it's a constant game of improve. If you give yourself massive impossible goals there's more room to fuck up. There's' plenty of successful/competent people/groups in the lore because they're going after more realistic goals and actually achieving them and all those small goals rolled together can lead to achieving larger and grander goals in the long run.
>>150874724But these aren't just dice games, are they? Aren't they roleplaying games too?Why would I want to play the role of a retard in a world of retards?Why would I want to play the role of the only sane man in a world of retards? What's the appeal of playing a retard wrangler?The more I hear about Werewolf the Retards and the World of Retards, the shittier it all sounds.
>>150874673Garou do actually prune a lot of Wyrm shit. A prominent case is a Native American Garou tribe sacrificing themselves to make it so a Wyrm avatar doesn't appear, for instance, if the didn't do that the world would probably be dead. The whole point of Werewolf is that Garou are fighting a noble fight, and achieve good things, but are crippled above and beyond by their own pride, arrogance and xenophobic eagerness to kill first, ask questions never.
>>150874652WoD games aren't games your meant to completely win per say, they are mainly PC focused storytelling devices that chronicle the mostly hopeless struggle to survive in a mostly hopeless world.Being a vampire is initially trying to hang on to your Humanity and as that Humanity is inevitably lost. pivoting to increasingly amoral Machiavellian plots until you either kneel under the presence of a bigger fish or settle into centuries long waiting games as the final endpoints To that end the point of a game of Vampire is to take a group of individuals that are somewhere along this process and put them through a interesting and dangerous period of their un-lives and then when the moment is resolved leaving the characters changed (likely for the worse) as the end of a narrative arc.Werewolf's, Changeling's, Mage's and Mummies, all exist in a spectrum of fighting the power but due to the constraints of the universe never being able to fully win, just make small victories that push the doomsday clock back a minute.In this Werewolf PC's are not meant to save the world, your meant to be cool action heroes doing basically environmental themed action movie plots where the heroes are a ragtag group of Rednecks and a nerd or two against big comically evil organizations that are meant to end on a "you saved the day!" by pushing the aforementioned doomsday clock back a minute. The NPC Wolves are meant to serve as However blowing up with evil animal testing facility is mainly a pyrrhic victory as the facility will be replaced somewhere else because otherwise the point of the game goes away.In contrast Wraith stands out in the line as being a Wraith is an experience of fucking around the underworld as a cog in a vast bureaucratic nightmare indefinitely with a slight chance of either being consumed into oblivion or finally moving on. Likewise the role of a player character is that your already dead and to find a way to move on before the system consumes you completely
>>150874764Congrats the same people who make the show in this thread made a video about the setting.https://youtu.be/0h1U-_JFAS8
>>150875357*The NPC Wolves are meant to serve as reasoning on why your cool group of Wolves need to be the ones who save the day.
>>150865944one exec is worth 1 million indians. its just simple math.
>>150855519This is apparently a controversial statement on /co/ and I'm damned if I can figure out why. At most her plan was overly complex. Meh.
>>150876099Its mostly people who see the line between just existing and passively aiding evil vs actively aiding evil and how she just ignored it.Mostly because most people /here/ exist in a similar spot to Fatigue culturally and don't appreciate the implication that they transitively have blood on their hands for the sins of their ancestors and peers. Because accepting that kind of morality means submitting and accepting the loss of the shrinking commodity of material comforts as a from of reoperations. And for perspective I agree with them. Just because I live in a society that committed violence for material resources doesn't mean I should have to throw myself at the mercy of others and as a member of the downwardly mobile middle class implicitly surrender my meager and shrinking piece of the pie. I'm just more self aware about it and less prone to lash out when feeling threatened.
>>150876186Hm.A pretty balanced perspective held on /co/.Neat.
>>150865384>hunting changelings and fae folkJust come up to one and start explaining spreadsheets and compound interest.
>>150876427Cringe but effective.https://youtu.be/Uw9bny88OuY?si=1zggTAK5n1eXxmRl
>tfw the htp thread inevitably gets derailed by retardposting
>>150876880I almost miss the Matilda simps.
>>150876880What am I supposed to say about the Garou whenever someone brings them up, that they're good boys who never did anything wrong? They're retards, that's their primary character trait and pretty much the only interesting thing about them.Sorry that you're so upset that your furfaggot werewolves are retarded.
>>150866102Aren't huntsmen usually just other people the fae created? I don't know if there's a module or splat that allows a player to be a huntsman themselves.
>>150876880Anon, they literally point out in the episode that werewolves are fucking idiots who will slaughter a warehouse full of wageslaves because MUH GAIA
>>150866058China was already mentioned in stuff even back in the day, with bloodlines mentioned that was basically Jiangshi and even the Vampire the masquerade video game having a whole chinese faction.Yeah, Japan was still the main focus, but China was already mentioned here and there, it's just that WoD games are usually more local in their scope, so you wouldn't have to worry about chinese affairs in the average game session.
>>150866799>Thread about a TTRPG setting>Too many wordsI forgot /co/ only understand words in the context of speech bubbles and gossip about animators.
>>150875357>>150875386The rebooted series are slightly more optimistic with stuff like Promethean: The Created actually having a final end game objective for you to work towards, but yeah. WoD games are more about you, the character, winning over some other small power.
>>150877229Within the context of WtA, which the anon that that post was replying to was talking about, China was mostly insignificant.
If you were to run a WOD game, what would it be?What would the plot be?
>>150877269Fair enough.
>>150877281Hunter: the Vigil I think is the easiest one to sell to a group because every gets being a monster hunter and being able to easily tap into all the other series for your stories makes it really appealing. If I had a commited enough group, I'd run a Genius: The Transgression game because I always like weird/mad science as a concept.I don't know what plot, that relies a lot on the group I'd have and which kind of story would appeal to them.
>>150868868I love boy
>>150877302>WOD game>two COFD games???
>>150877201No, huntsmen are arcadian natives. They lived there long before the gentry got there. They were never human to begin with. They stem from dreams animals had of running away from predators. Ancient beasts molded by true fae into slave catchers. Controlled by removing their heart and hiding it away.
>>150877220Let's get the full quote on that.>For every Wolf who exclusively puts an end to entropy-worshiping oil barons chicken racing their oil tankers off the coast of Madagascar, there's also that neopagan theocrat, cleaning out a wage-slave warehouse in a town called Dingle, because they happened to work under demon-infested management!It's almost like Ogre Poppenang are pointing out the duality of werewolves, with some being genuinely good people fighting the good fight, while some are blithering retards who see everything and everyone as the enemy.Boiling that down to "werewolves are retards" is missing the point of the entire video, which is pointing out dualities throughout the World of Darkness. For every noble hunter who is fighting the good fight like D, there's a terrible motherfucker like Kronik Fatigue who is more a monster than the monsters that they fight.
Why does D give more of a shit about a literal demon horse over his own sons?
>>150877994He probably doesn't know about the demon thing
>>150877994I think D just has trouble openly expressing affection for his sons. With Horse, who is a horse, there's no ego (that he knows about) in play, so he can more freely be affectionate.We know D thinks very highly of Door and Markus. If Markus had heard parts of D's recount of his interrogation with Chapman (as he told Kevin about it), he may not know how to react to his father calling him a genius alongside the shower of other compliments.
>>150877994Just because Horse is a demon (?) doesn’t mean he’s a bad guy. Horse calling Boy his nephew is a clear signal that he considers himself to be part of thefamily.
>>150858483In WoD, The cycle of life is arbitrated grand spirit.This spirit is divided into three aspects: Wyld (Growth), Wevr (Change), and Wyrm (Decay).These aspects have a cyclical relationship, mirroring that which they govern.>Wyld endlessly generates the pristine, perfectly simple building blocks of life.>Wevr shapes that raw material into complex forms.>Wyrm destroys all that Wevr constructs and feeds the remains to the Wyld to be recycled.At its inception, this system was perfectly balanced.That changed however, as all things do, with Wevr.After millions of years spent witnessing the fruits of its labor and inspiration being despoiled by the Wyrm, Wevr grew bitter.Eventually, a breaking point was reached.The Wevr broke the cycle that underpinned Life since the inception of the world.The Wevr restrained the Wyrm to save one of its creations, 'Humanity'.The Wyrm's, impeded from carrying out its sacred purpose and betrayed by what essentially its own flesh, experienced confusion, which became outrage, then inconsolable fury, then curdled into something fouler.While unable to escape the Wevr's web, or act beyond the restrictions imposed upon it, the miasma of a malice which it now exuded stained and poisoned the threads immediately binding it.And that foulness continues to slowly spread outward, polluting the Wevr's whole web, corrupting all of its creations and everything which interacts with them.In this state of spiraling dysfunction, the Wyld's attempts to stabilize the situation are Sisyphean and only serve to draw it into conflict with its sibling aspects.With every element of itself warring against each other, that grand spirit representing the Earth's biosphere can be understood to be slowly dying
>>150863848>While unknowingly being corrupted yourself by a primordial evil.
>>150877994Like many fathers, D struggles displaying affection towards his children despite how he actsWhen he's around others he'll happily gush about them but there's a barrier he won't cross in front of them He thinks Horse is just an animal so there's no emotional wall he has to put up
>>150879239Being the zealot that he was, I wonder what became of his wife after he died.
>>150880140Well she doesn't really seem to matter considering that Wernon called Wayda "the only real mother I ever had"
>>150880465Kind of a strange statement to make apropos of nothing
So is “the wolf” the part of Garou that connects them to spirits? Was wondering if you could theoretically have something like kinfolk but instead of inheriting the wolf blood they inherit the spiritualism, call em druids or something.
>>150881780>So is “the wolf” the part of Garou that connects them to spirits?In a way.>Was wondering if you could theoretically have something like kinfolk but instead of inheriting the wolf blood they inherit the spiritualism, call em druids or something.Kinfolk don't possess any lupine traits, beyond the higher chance of producing werewolves when mating with werewolves.However, due to that werewolf blood, Kinfolk are more in tune with Gaia, which means a very small amount possess gnosis, a mystical connection to the Umbra that allows werewolves and these rare Kinfolk to wield Gifts given to them by spirits.So by default, a Kinfolk druid is absolutely playable. It will never be anywhere near as potent as a werewolf, but it's still strong.
So, has any of Horse's predictions come true so far?
>>150876186The problem is that she goes way beyond ignoring that line. Fatigue wasn't "just existing and passively aiding evil". He genuinely thought he was helping a good cause, and once he realized what was going on he rejected his evil family and its legacy. Was he slow on the uptake? Sure. But when the moment came, he said fuck you to the guy who just admitted to ripping out his friend's eyeball.And she just refuses to acknowledge any of it. Instead she holds him responsible for everything and emotionally manipulates him into being a slave to his own guilt to serve her purposes. There is nobility in taking on the sins of your forebearers. It is noble BECAUSE you know you're not to blame but you rise to the responsibility anyways, often because you care about the legacy you inherited. But imposing that responsibility on another who were genuinely innocent or ignorant or have walked away from the legacy, when done exploitatively, is evil.
>>150877994>horse>horus>horus, the emperor's favorite sonit's just a 40k joke
I don't think I've ever seen a character cause as much butthurt as Wayda has for this thread
>>150884628Chuds are incredibly thin skinned and not smart enough to avoid consuming media that is explicitly against them
>>150876719Death by boredom.
>>150882845I think it's too early to know.I feel like Boy's story with approximations of his family in it may be his own way of interpreting the prophecy, so they still need to recruit a werewolf and a demon. As well as Markus's third eye opening for real.
>>150882756Interesting, thanks. Only thing I was thinking of was that he was really good with animals and knew how to work the land, which is useful for a farmboy.
>>150874584>Why would my character be the only non-retarded Garou when all of the Garou are retarded?All Garou aren't retarded, there are a fair amount of clans that are generally reasonable like the Glasswalkers who basically went "hey maybe we can actually use all this cool shit the humans made" The main issue with the woofs is that they're mostly driven by passions and occasionally get so fucking pissed from seeing the state of everything being fucked that reason goes out the window. They fill a niche, in many ways the polar opposite of the bloodsuckers.
>>150874652>>150874764Everyone being retarded is a comedic exaggeration, it's just that when a retard sets off a supernatural nuke it tends to skew perception. There are plenty of groups in lore that will do their best to prevent the retards from setting off supernatural nukes or try to clean up the fallout, they just tend to get overshadowed because "retard sets off nuke" catches more immediate eyes.
>>150883057Enslaving is a gross misinterpretation, she gave a Fatigue who had his entire worldview turned upside down and bereft of his extended family a new noble purpose and a real opportunity to redeem his family name after so many generations were used to commit such evil.
>>150858943YOU TAKE A WOLF SKIN AND BEGIN A SLAUGHTER!
>>150858943Funny, the same type of reference was made when the artwork was posted on their socials.
There's a bootleg version of the Kevin plush being sold at walmart.I blame Palmer for this.
>>150876186I mean, there's a hell of a difference between "White people did bad things in the past" and "YOUR IMMEDIATE RELATIVES, your father, your uncles, your cousins, did seriously fucked up things as recently as yesterday, and your powerful family is up to its armpits in that stuff."Does Fatigue have a moral right to go "look man, I didn't do any of that shit personally, I just wanted to help" and walk away? Sure.But as a moral individual it's also fine for him to go "hoooo-leeee fuck. How do I even BEGIN to make up for what my family's done?"And the thing is, the latter approach makes more sense for someone raised in a house of sham honor. His relatives all talked a big game about Responsibility and Honor. That's the environment he was raised in. He spent years believing that he'd inherited the Family Honor. Then one day he found out his family was shit, so of course he flipped that around and went "welp, it would seem that in fact I've inherited the Family DIShonor. I shall simply have to do something about that."And personally I don't feel bad about anything my family might have done generations ago, but if I found out my father had left a bunch of kids orphaned, all as part of an insane plan to give me Power, I think I'd actually feel a pretty strong sense that I should personally do something to make things right.
>>150889345>PalmerI was going to make a Togo joke, but no. A megacorp like Walmart making money off a bootleg version of something sold by a small operation that needs shit like that just to stay funded and make art? Captialism at is most cancerous.There's a better culprit to blame.
>>150858783>a guy who spent years lying, cheating, and stealing from friends and colleagues and funneling their resources to a bunch of fanatical werewolf sympathizers in a bid to ease his guilty conscience>in HeavenPretty sure that stinger was just the prelude to the old "This IS the Other Place!" rug-pull.
>>150889345>>150889413fucking pentex does it again
>>150889413Who was he again?
>>150891518Houdini
>>150889345I think that just happens with any plush campaign because they're all made in Chinese sweatshops who end up hocking off bootlegs
>>150891965Why was Houdini's ghost working as a cool-aid drinking wageslave in a spectral dollar store?
>>150892430Gotta
>>150891518THE BLUE MAN
>>150892473Why?
can i get a reminder what's the relationship between gangrels and woofs like?
>>150893300Not good.Most Garou kill Kindred on sight.Taint of the Wyrm and all that.
>>150893369I guess this doesn't extend to ghouls?
>>150893505Why wouldn't it?The Wyrm's influence is in the Vitae.Ghouls are living beings that contain Vitae.That's probably part of why 'tilda was so bitchy at Grim.Could sense the Wyrm on her.
>>150893553Why would Matilda simply not kill the ghoul thenEven if you assume she wanted to stay undercover so she could locate the files, she could have still have killed the ghoul outside the Arcanum
>>150877694>a terrible motherfucker like Kronik Fatigue who is more a monster than the monsters that they fightKronik and the rest of the Fatigues did literally nothing wrong.
>>150893572Good questions.Perhaps there was a concern that the unnatural death or disappearance of an Arcanum member would set the Arcanum on alert.
>>150893637Eh.Tapping into the Wyrm is wrong.Even if you do so unknowingly with the best of intentions. its objectively the wrong choice for everyone involved. Also, slaughtering a village full of innocents just because they were in the way is pretty evil.But that was due to obvious Wyrm corruption.
>>150893646>Perhaps there was a concern that the unnatural death or disappearance of an Arcanum member would set the Arcanum on alert.Good point, violently dismembering someone in a fountain of gore would certainly be a bad idea under those circumstances.
>>150893572It did seem like she was about to kill Grimal in Episode 5 but was interrupted by Kitten and the others shooting at her
>>150893703Not really. "Wyrm corruption" is overblown. Each of the Fatigue Stolen Moons had rid the world of at least one werewolf, which is a load of points in their favour.They were about to eliminate another Garou threat to humanity before they were stopped.None of the "innocents" they killed really counted as people, let alone innocent, they were retarded werewolf sympathising primitives.Also by stealing the power that would either be used against humanity by the Garou, they bolstered the forces of goodness and God.Meaningless "Wyrm corruption" aside, everything Kronik and his family did, his failure of a son excluded, was objectively good and a net boon for humanity.
>>150893572>Why would Matilda simply not kill the ghoul thenThe answer is we just don't know. If latest audiolog is accurate and Matilda was Red Talon the fact that anyone is alive in the building at all is a minor miracle. It's entirely possible they were there for something else and in typical werewolf fashion fucked everything up and made the situation worse for all involved.>>150893637We spent an entire audiolog where we all but confirm Big D's greatest fear is that his kid is going to have this exact take.
>>150894039Big D is a fraud and a clown responsible for everything shitty that befalls his sons due to his refusal to keep them actually informed about the very real dangers that they face. Nothing that he thinks has any merit.
>>150893882Do you think Wernon was killed by Matilda or that there is another twist?Matilda is the simplest explanation at the moment.But if we're assuming it was her then the big question is:> Why assassinate Wernon then and there?She wasn't under any scrutiny until the murder in the lounge, so it wasn't as though the pressure of the lockdown (which was also publicly stated to be for a ghoul) got to her.Also, as she demonstrated, she had the power easily breach the lockdown at any time.There are only a few possibilities as far as I can tell.Either: Wernon said something to Matilda that drove her to break her cover and kill him.I'd expect only something deeply linking him to the Wyrm could induce such a reaction.This would've also had to have happened in the brief period between Git leaving for the restroom and hearing the commotion.Or: The ghoul influenced Matilda to enter a killing frenzy.The security room connects to the lounge. Grimmal and Matilda met in the security room. Perhaps Grimmal used a poultice of Domination on her?Though I'm not entirely sure that's even possible to do.Or: There's some other third major factor at play in the chapter house.There were a lot of flies in the lounge - which is a sign of Wyrm activity.Most of us assumed that was simply related to Wernon's violent death.But perhaps it is the residual of a Wyrm entity manifesting or Wyrm magic occurring just before Wernon died?Coalition fuckery, or the work of their corporate 'friends'?
>>150894002...Be honest.Are you a swarm of spiders wearing a human skinsuit?
>>150893572>Why would Matilda simply not kill the ghoul then
>>150894165No, I genuinely think that the whole concept of spiritual corruption is retarded and that the premise of Werewolf is a bunch of misanthropic self-loathing. From a utilitarian perspective, everything that Kronik did was a net gain for humanity. He only comes anywhere close to being evil if you buy into Werewolf's stupidity, which would make you a moron. From an objective point of view, the Fatigues and yes, even Pentex, are all in the right.
>>150894082>responsible for everything shitty that befalls his sons due to his refusal to keep them actually informed about the very real dangers that they faceyeah, i'm kinda bothered at this.either you stop hunting altogether while you teach them about their shit, or you just dump everything.dunno about stuff like mages or changelings, but vampire info is not a god damn memetic cognitohazard
>>150894185She did try when she finally went loud.Even turning her back on two master hunters in favor of biting Grimmal's head off.Though, that could be handwaved as her Garou rage compelling her to attack the most recent belligerent.
>>150894218It seems like he was mostly afraid of his retarded sons namedropping shit like clan names in public and getting blood hunted.Of course, given that Kevin managed to survive SEVERAL blood hunts, all by himself, as a single 9th generation neonate, I'd say the Norfolk vampires aren't all that dangerous.
>>150858461Because Amanda suffered Delirium badly and is now on a nonfunctioning level. She mixed up the two things and even later still hasn't figured out why she did it.
>>150894208Stepping away from HtP for a moment.I was under the impression that all WoD corebooks were all canonical.They may be flavored by their subject's worldview and terminology, but nothing they say is outright untrue.
>>150894262Considering spit was rendered catatonic from his encounter with a Garou(?), I'd day that Amanda is doing shockingly well for herself.
>>150894250>>150894218Some of D's gatekeeping makes sense (preventing Masquerade breaches, knowing his sons are retards who jump into things headfirst) but I think in many regards he's a bit of a coward and is afraid of losing his family should they go off on their own. On the other hand, his gatekeeping is something of a self fulfilling prophecy as he's creating greater animosity and pushing them away by keeping info from them
>>150894275Nope.The best way to play World of Darkness games is to use the games which you think are cool and delete the shit games that you do not vibe with.I think werewolves are retarded and I think Werewolf is retarded and I don't agree with the idea of some objectively evil "Wyrm corruption" being the perfect excuse for werewolves to go about genociding humanity and being called the good guys.So from that perspective, Kronik Fatigue did nothing wrong. He's only in the wrong if you take Werewolf the Apocalypse seriously and you would have to be retarded to do that.
>>150856674If I had to guess I would say its inspired by all those Philippines vampire movies. In some, or at least the two I've seen, Dracula is stopped by the strange catholic rituals they have there.
>>150894208>No, I genuinely think that the whole concept of spiritual corruption is retardedI mean, this is a setting where that is canonically a thing that happens and is 100% real, what you think about it doesn't change the reality of it within that fictional universe.
>>150892228Yeah, it seems to be an issue for any and all Makeship products.
>>150894338>the obscene and profane ritual he performed that goes against natural life in the pursuit of stolen power is actually a good thing because I said sonigga what?
>>150894960You are talking to an egoist scholar, and not one of the creatures who fell to the spook of the triad.
>>150894338Pentexfags are the Wyrmfags but humanity is a pseudo love child of the Weaver and the Wyrm. The Garou going super holocaust on em back in the old days is what caused Weaver to sperg out more, which in turn caused the Wyrm to sperg out more, which on turn caused the Wyld to sperg out more
>>150895002Humanity is marked by all of the Triad.Just as all life is.However, they were only favored by the Wevr.Framing Humanity's relationship with the Wyrm as anything more than the Wevr's pet being secretly fed poisoned treats by an extremely spiteful ex-girlfriend is bullshit.
>>150894250>tfw Marcus spent a bunch of time in a bar name dropping Vampires with his friends who also did the same exactly like his dad is afraid of.>TFW THIS GUY WAS THE ONLY ONE AT THE TABLE WHO SEEMED UNCOMFORTABLE WITH PEOPLE DROPPING 'The V word."oh fuck
I just realized, none of the family know about THE GREAT AND MIGHTY Kevin OR Chapman, do they? I can't imagine Door or Marckus or Son-In-law or Boy will react well to knowing his father has not only a vampire under his employ, but an ghoul too.
>>150895318Nah, if he was a ghoul, he would have stfu and then quietly called his bosses to declare a blood hunt.
>>150895331They seem to know about Kevin but they are all in the dark about chapmanEven markus doesn't know he's a ghoul
>>150895354>They seem to know about Kevin Do they?
>>150895373Yeah they talk about him in passing and D never implied he killed him to the others
>>150889367There's also a hell of a difference between "Dude, your dad kidnapped the kids, and also killed their parent", and "You kidnapped the kids, you killed people, fuck you this is all because of you, you're not a victim in this, repent like an OCD janny. Oh, and also you're our new son."If some asian fanatics adopts you in this context, you better run the fuck away.
>>150889345>Kevinwho?never heard of himyou mean the GREAT and MIGHT KEVIN mayhap?