2005>Ultimate Enemy>Killed yourself violently cause you could>Depowered your arch nemesis >So strong you crippled Ghosts>Singlehandedly cause the apocalypse >Has no reservations about killing >Still have your sense of humor and one liners >Playable character and main antagonist in the your own game>Had a contingency plan in case you failed by using your arch nemesis >Mostly flippant and keeps a cool head >The servant of the ultimate ghost serves you2023>Can't kill highschool kids>Can't put down a weaker version of someone you no diff in your own timeline >Can't manage a fusion even though that's your thing >No game in years>Crying about a family you had no issues personally murdering to continue your existence>"I don't want to be alone again!">Got a clone body of your teenage self to use as a vessel, making you a LITERAL man child>Mostly destroy public property >Doesn't kill or disfigured a single ghost or human>No powerful servant >Therapy session with your sister>Jumped by your fusion materials>Not using your time powers to make yourself an ideal timeline
Maestro (Hulk) has the same problem. Every time they expanded on his lore he became less impressive and scary. Now he's got less to his name than Green Scar.
>>150879315ooof...avatarfags can relate with this.
>>150879315This bothered me too. Especially when you realize that Dark Danny is based on picrel
>>150879361What did the comics do to her?
>>150879315Pretty common for Total Drama but Scott stands out to me since he got turned into a clown in TDASS.
>>150879315Decayed so badly she’s an antihero now.
>>150880382She was never particularly threatening in the first place though
>>150879361stfu
>>150879315vlad got it bad as well. everyone but the box ghost more or less
>>150879838And don't forget how they turned him into a simp for Courtney, It's like they saw all the fanart of Scott x Dawn and how popular the ship was, but since the writers hate Dawn they decided to use Courtney instead
>>150879315dark danny was always a character with a confusing psychology at best
>>150883397That's true but in TUE he's a demonic figure who's self assured about wanting to maintain his dark future. Glitch went the Korra route and made him into a emotional wreck having a meltdown.
>>150884188I will never understand that shit, dark danny was good because he became evil...and he wasn't even danny but his ghost self going rogue and fusing with vlad.shit they could have even made a multiverse out of it too in hindsight.
>>150884291Missed opportunities are so frustrating.>>150881846What's funny is Scourtney ended up sinking in that terrible episode so what was even the point.
>>150879315Don’t treat that comic as canon
>>150879315No better example.
>>150879336Yeah the new series really felt like it was written by a different person. Future Imperfect Maestro was an absolute menace
>>150885242Him ending up as a bus driver was an interesting choice.
>>150879532They had her run into the woods and come back so sort of rebel in the peaceful worldThere's more to it but it's all I care to remember
>>150879315Lost his aura over the years.
>>150884188I feel like the problem with the graphic novel is that it's more interested in sanding down Dark Danny's edge so he's better suited to becoming a friendly main cast member in the future rather than go with a psychological slow burn where he actually gets to be a threat and GRADUALLY gets character development.
>>150879315Villains just can't be villains anymore.Even they have to respect someone's pronouns while they are slaughtering indiscriminately
>>150888070Unfortunately the comic had to spend time erasing Phantom Planet but yes I like your idea.
>>150888166man, I miss villains like eris who were genuinely evil and insidious, malicious and infuriating as well.the only one relativately untouched is fucking darth sidious from star wars but after disney there wasn't anything left for him and to be honest, he should rest as he fulfilled his role DECADES AGO.
>>150881180gtfo
>>150879361Azula's handling in the comics is a mess>Bryke originally intended for Azula's characterization to be more in-line with how we last saw her (manic, deranged, cruel, delusional and self-serving), and the ATLA comics originally reflected this>but the newer fanbase rejects this in favor of wanting Azula to be more humanized and dimensional, and given sympathy and nuance, if not Woobified outright>so Bryke change course and do their best to make Azula more like how the fans want her while still not really changing their core direction OR allowing Azula to really do anything meaningful in the first placeComics Azula is a mess because all she does is try to look fearsome and cunning and threatening, but she never really gets to do anything bad or that would either flesh out a positive growth character arc, or make a negative growth character arc interesting. And yet the intent is simultaneously "she's the worst" and also "she's a person, actually" while not doing either really all that well.
>>150888259>Secondaries ruined a character I hate how common this is, just let crazy bitches be crazy bitches.
>>150888166Villains can't be villains anymore because academia/universities, pop fiction being overpopulated by bougie women, the feminizing/emasculating of men's writing scene, and general misconceptions of storytelling collectively undermined basic writing fundamentals.>Wicked and its consequences birthed "the cackling villain is actually a dindu" idea exploding in popularity overnight, feeding directly into the "nobody is a bad guy" mentality that Frozen made into the mainstream>not enough prospective writers read enough books (but read too much fanfiction), and general writing advice boils down to "erm, all characters have a flaw they need to overcome" which is limited/disingenuous/restricts things to moralizing>men's media bending the knee to censorship to appeal to single women with disposable income and mothers (see 2011 and Gamergate)>terminally online ex-evangelicals policing fandom culture and demanding every villain be PC and sanded down because they can't conceive fiction without the need to project onto itpic related
>>150888166I know it's a reddit ass phrase but media literacy really is dead. The instant corpos started paying attention to what retards on the internet say, it was already over.Imagine telling someone 15 years ago that the mentally ill fat fujos on Tumblr would dictate pop culture
>>150888332The problem I have with everyone's take on how Azula should be after ATLA is that EVERYONE IS FUCKING WRONG but for totally different reasons>Bryke and the older fans want Azula to be pure evil, but lack any humanity/complexity/depth that would make her shine as an antagonist (Bryke got their way and it's why the villains in the first half of ATLA suck balls)>the newer fans want Azula to be overly humanized and too sympathetic/tragic, while dismissing/minimizing the shit she has done (while being too afraid to let her do anything truly evil)Post-ATLA Azula should have been characterized akin to Kimblee from FMA or Hannibal Lector. Azula's breakdown results in her putting herself back together but in the worst way possible. Now she's eerily "sane", but she's held together by a firm commitment to her new belief system which is far more amoral than what she was doing previously.
>>150888539>meant to say "first half of TLOK"
>>150881846The writers don't hate Dawn. Her entire purpose along with B's were to have overpowered skills to make it so it should have been impossible for them to ever lose challenges, but Scott's self-sabotage skills were better. It was the worf effect.
>>150879315I blame that as a mix of drop in the quality of writers, things becoming sterilized, and what the people writing consider to be super evil. Take Steven Universe. You have a bunch of space tyrants that can mindrape and enslave their underlings? Are they the worst villain who the protagonist hates? Nope it’s a teenage boy who is kind of a douche (like most teenage boys)
>>150879315They really did all that to future Danny? What was it from, a fan comic spinoff?>>150881680Vlad for sure got that in the later season of Danny Phantom. It was insane how much he degraded nearer and nearer to the end until he was a complete joke.
>>150881680>>150890172At least NASB2 made him a credible villain again even if he wasn't the top dog in the whole plot.
>>150888230big evil woman erotica oooooh
>>150888488Plenty were already making the prediction then. 10 years ago it was known fact.
>>150890042first of all, he was a rich entitled jerk like you'd meet irl and that's a far bigger sin to an audience than an absurd crime like space genocidesecond of all that was ten years ago. get over it
>>150890530eris was one of the most dangerous pieces of shit you could encounter, literally she lives to spread chaos and disorder, she will use her beauty to lull you into a false sense of security and then give you a fate worst than death for shits and giggles, bitch is crazy and evil.
>>150888395>Wicked and its consequences birthed "the cackling villain is actually a dindu" ideaMagneto says hi. And in comics, it's mainly writers wanting their own version of that guy.
>>150879315I thought "villain decay" was where villains from earlier in the show keep doing their usual stuff, but as the newer villains become more powerful and the stakes become higher the original villain basically becomes a reference point. No redemption arc, just "Oh, you guys are robbing my house again? Just keep it down to a dull roar, would ya? I'm tired from fighting The One Below All."
>>150879361To be fair Ozsi was all presence, he is the looser brother that lucked out into the throne.
>>150885242I nevwr go how he didn't bounce back to be a mob boss
>>150879361>>150888230Foids can't be intimidating villains
>>150892446I'm trans btw if that matters
>>150891573She's my first crush, you don't need to remind me
>>150879336Very few villains can escape that if used too much. The few that do are either somehow held to such a higher standard by the readers that writers can't get away with too much(Sinestro,Dr.doom), or they are so fucking butchered people just believe what they want of them (Venom)
>>150880382The problem is she sucks both as a hero and a villain because they don't know what to do with her. She doesn't do anything but whine and mope, getting pushed around by other characters while pretending she's this badass, unique girlboss. At least when she's a "hero" she has an excuse to be useless, instead of being a villain with no presence whatsoever. She has the same problems as Azula mentioned here >>150888259 except that at least Azula was successful for a time, had actual big feats, and was plot relevant. Surge is like if Avatar had Azula as a schizo girl who showed up from time to time, unrelated to the main plot.That being said, unlike every other IDW character who is unredeemable and should be deleted, she's got some potential. I do like the idea of her and Kit slowly splitting apart due to their own different schizoid mentalities. Friendships breaking apart can be good stories, and I have thought it'd be fun to put her and Shadow together. Have them call each other out for being edgelords and learn to move on with their fucking lives. So she can still be fixed, but that would imply having a good writer work on Sonic, and that's not happening for a long time.
>>150880382>>150881166>>150892654I always felt like adding new Sonic characters is just a bad idea for how massive the roster already is. Even ignoring the Archie comics and what not, you have this bloated cast that is mostly wanted and beloved over new cast members making any new characters dubious to add because there is so little room for the OC to add things that someone already existing couldn't fill themselves and be enjoyed more for being there.
>>150892791That's definitely the worst part of the IDW comics. They don't do anything interesting with the main cast, so they put a bunch of OCs to fill the story. But they can't do anything major either, as it's Sonic and his crew's story, so they're also useless. This means that you have a comic where the main cast has nothing interesting to do but are also the only plot-relevant characters, while every new OC is just a bench-warmer. And every major plot is just some generic story you've seen before: zombies, fight against a big evil machine, racing competition, it's all just dull and lame. So they fill the pages with characters moping about nothing to pretend it's an emotionally complex story that enriches the world, instead of just meaningless fluff.And it's all because they're "canon" when, let's face it, they're really not. They say it is, but it's not. It's a marketing tactic, not a commitment. Even if we ever see IDW characters in the games, they'll be at most the racing spin-offs (where fucking SpongeBob SquarePants and Sonic Prime characters can come in) and if they ever talk they will be different versions. Really, the entire run would benefit from being non canon like TMNT, Transformers and all the other comic runs from big IPs they have. At least then you can do whatever with the characters, and even if it's shit at least it will be them doing SOMETHING.
>>150879315even in the comics she's a PAWG!!
>>150879315Out of the major Shredder minion's in the 2012 series, Xever got done dirtyXever>Cool design>Fighting style revolves around kicking and butterfly knives>Decent rivalry with Raph>Was on equal standing with Bradford Fishface>Fish mutation causes him to lose his legs and ability to breathe on land>Robo legs were cool for one time but are mostly useless afterwards >Bradford who was in similar situation got a cool second mutation that turned him into a demonic skeletal dog that gave him a boost>Even Baxter Stockman wasn't hamper that much cause he still kept his intelligence>Treated as a joke character for the rest of series who's get threatened being eaten by his teammates
>>150893178Bradford was worse, at least Xever lived despite everything.
>>150880382At least it was funny thoughDisappointing, but funny
>>150886451He was already in the dirt with all the jobbing, especially to people he creates. Got cheated out his first mutant claim in favor selene any whoever else is older than him. The face turn was just digging him up to piss on the corpse.>The guy that believe in only the strongest surviving, given this job by the celestials, and didn't limit himself to just mutants>actually he just wants a peaceful home with mutants, and his bullshit was to protect us from demons>retired to live a peaceful life on mars>also he is the weakest member of his family
>>150890172It was "A Glitch In Time" comic that came out two years ago. I don't know how they'll handle "Phantom" and Vlad since the next comic focuses on Valerie, Dani, and Wulf.
>>150879315He became a joke in the OS but loosing the mask afterwards made it worse.
>>150881846Courtney or Ezekiel is an example of a character they hate, Dawn was collateral for Scott's plot.
>>150892446incel moment
>>150892446except the crazy ones, when bitches are unpredictable you don't want to be near them...unless it is to put them out of their misery with a boomstick.
>>150894714Go back to l*ddit
