Why are hypnosis and mind control so prevalent in comics and cartoons?
>>150886435You really have to ask? it allows for things to happen that wouldn't normally. it changes the dynamics of what's possible.
oh good i just finished this
>>150887234so she DOES have the ears
>>150887295i figured her hiding them under her bandana was a cute idea
>>150886435Anyone have a good recap of Homestuck my ass can't sit down with it
>>150887319Thanks for the Vriska stuff last thread. It’s pretty late, so I imagine you’re feeling rather sleepy…
>>150887759im actually wide awake...need to eat and draw more bratty bunny bullshit
>>150887973>im actually wide awake...Give it time, darling.
>>150887234Noice job
>>150888884danke have a nice thread
>>150889086They’re both quite adorable
>>150887648Four teenaged internet friends, John, Rose, Dave and Jade, play a game called Sburb together. It triggers an apocalypse on Earth and transports them into the Incipisphere, where they must complete quests on their personal planets to create a new universe.They are talked to ('trolled') by a group of aliens from another universe - Aradia, Tavros, Sollux, Nepeta, Karkat, Kanaya, Terezi, Vriska, Equius, Gamzee, Eridan, and Feferi - who also played their version of the game that failed ("Sgrub"). These 12 trolls come from a hierarchical world divided by blood color (left to right - lowest to highest on the hemospectrum) called Alternia. Frendships form across timelines and species. The trolls' session of the game becomes entwined with the humans’ success.Sburb is not just a game but a cosmic mechanism that seeds universes and sustains a cycle of destruction and rebirth. Time travel, alternate selves, and doomed timelines are major elements. Characters like Dave must repeatedly loop through time to ensure events unfold correctly.The story introduces an alternate version of the original kids from a "post-scratch" universe, reborn with new backgrounds. This includes new characters - Jane (Nanna), Roxy (Mom), Jake (Grandpa), and Dirk (Bro) - as well as a second group of trolls ("Dancestors"), who are teenaged versions of the trolls' ancestors.Central to this plot is Lord English, a time-traveling, nearly unstoppable villain who is a fusion of several characters, but mainly Caliborn, a cherub who has a sister named Calliope he shared a body with, but they eventually grew into seperate people. The goal becomes not just to beat the game but also to defeat Lord English.The characters work across universes, timelines, and death to build a new universe and escape the game. Terezi forces John to 'retcon' her decision to kill Vriska, which works to rewrite the story and create a "perfect timeline" wherein Vriska can sacrifice herself to let her friends escape.
>>150886435Swinging pendulum or spinning spiral?
>>150890363Spiral obviously. Are you daft
>>150890412Why da beetle hyonoing Marvin
>>150886435and then she took roxy's shoes off
Favorite archetype of subject?
>>150891693Addict
>>150892117She’s still functional enough to lead a team
>>150892690i mean im pretty sure the team members of whatever team she's on probable hypnotize her on there off time
>>150889590I'm trying to make the magician "attractive" as well. I avoided going the twink route and made him a bit stockier, more of an old Hollywood handsome. He is very arrogant, always in character, but gentle when he has to be.
>>150893147Nice. A more uncommon approach but still a good one
>>150892747That is if they know. Imagine if Kamala had to hide it. Constantly walking a razor’s edge to avoid humiliation
>>150887648Andrew Hussie torments caricatures of the kinds of people he dislikes
Was just thinking, has anyone got any examples of characters where they don't want to mind control people, but can't control their powers completely or otherwise can't get away from it?In Classic Marvel, it was a thing in the Secret Wars-related storylines where The Beyonder turns everyone on Earth into adoring slaves with his psychic powers, and quickly gets bored with it and goes into existential angst that he can't meet anyone that isn't under his control.I think that they briefly tried characterizing The Purple Man that he couldn't have a normal relationship even if he wanted to.I think Claremont spent about 5 minutes trying to characterize the New Mutants-era minor villain Empath as being a hormonal teenager that wants to stop using his mind powers on others but they get out of his control whenever he gets excited.Has there ever been a hero with that kind of problem? I like the idea of a hero with mind control or suggestion powers that wants to only use them for good, but can't help but finds that just fantasizing about things, or getting lost in his own thoughts cause other people around him to get affected. You could do a tortured hero drama with that kind of thing, or if you're into a corruption arc have it be that he gives up on keeping it under control or gets inured to the idea that he's violating others.>>150887648It's a big fractured mess with some good jokes scattered around. It starts out as a shitpost-y choose your own adventure and video game parody thing, then Hussie nixes that in favor having an idea for a more focused narrative. Then a bunch of teenagers get way too into it and Hussie's later ventures fail miserably, leading him to get stuck to continuing it.
>>150894035There was a very old PC98 H-Game with this premise, whole bunch of bad-ends and a true end where you square off against the source of your power to remove it and have an actual loving relationship with female lead.
>>150893588she would have to go find other methods to get tranced like ask hypno powered villains
...homestuck thread image is probably gonna kill this one. very ill-advised.
>>150895978I almost posted in the Homestuck thread by accident, especially since the OP features Aranea as well. Also a more engaging topic would be appropriate for the second thread, how long has everyone being into this kink? Why? Do you partake in the community or mostly lurk?
Has there ever been a scene where someone who got hypnotized snaps out of it, but is groggy and not all "there" mentally for a little bit?
>>150895043She probably gets excited when she hears Hypno Hustler or Ringmaster are in town.Purely to fight them of course.
>>150895978Nah, it's fine. We've done it many times.>>150896203>how long has everyone being into this kink?My entire life. No idea when I noticed there was something weird going on with me and hypnosis, but Molly Moon at age 6 was my version of what most hypnofags call their inciting incident. Vriska>Why?I think I'm notable for being the most fixated on sleep out of anyone in the fandom. To me, the "hypno" etymology is the root of the whole thing, and I've been continually surprised by how niche that is.>Do you partake in the community or mostly lurk?I've wanted to launch my art career in the fandom ever since I found it 12 years ago, but having an extremely abusive family and many run-ins with psych abuse and the law has set me off-course at every turn and I never broke my lurking streak until very recently. I'm keeping it low-key until I get better, and then I'm either going to go for it or see what better life has to offer me. I have great faith in the fandom I grew up with, but obviously our presence on the internet hasn't been the same since the Trump campaign and all the prior anti-hypnosis jihadism from activists taking over the web, so I assume it might be time for us to shuffle off into the wider world and form that hypno-villain league IRL.
>>150896504>Vriska was also a big deal when I got into Homestuck at 13.'Scuse me.
>>150896504>Molly MoonI loved that book series as a kid.
>>150896504>anti-hypnosis jihadismqrd?
>>150896715I want to, but I might actually have to keep it to myself. Suffice it to say that we were at risk long before it became obvious.
>>150896245Like in Star Vs. when Marco is rescued from the princess brainwashing and he groggily asks, "Can i keep the dress...?"
Strange how I had watch and read all this media with hypnotizism and only figured out I liked it at 28. From the snake, to totally spies, to molly moon, even read homestuck. It all flew over my head. Now I just wanna put Spider-Man to sleep.
>>150896764Every time I see your sona, I want to hypnotize you more. ;_;
>>150896366she has there numbers on speed dial for when they come to town or just go out and fights them even if they aren't doing anything illegal at the moment
>>150887973On the topic of brats, you got any resistance play for us, boss? (If you want.)>>150896203>how longUh, maybe 4-5 years by now? I can't actually find any childhood antecedents for it when I search my memory. Part of why I rankle at the psychoanalytic frame every fetish is inevitably framed in. Like I very much do just... quietly develop new ones, in the same way as your taste in food might change, your taste in cars or architecture.>whyFor me at its core it's just good nonconslop, whether giving or receiving. Like that other guy over there I also have a sleep fixation, though I prefer slow, dragged-out affairs. The chloroform of it all.>communityI've gotten some commissions in the last few months but didn't enjoy the result enough to endorse the money I spent. I've roleplayed a bit but didn't enjoy the result enough to endorse the time I spent. Etc etc.
>>150898421>Like that other guy over there I also have a sleep fixation*does a yawn with hand fanning my open mouth gesture*
>>150890363Both, of course
>>150898421>resistance playif you have any ideas lmk, i like resistance too>>150896795im not bunny, or my other ocs, im mid
>>150898832You can never go wrong with the old "I'm going to slowly count down from ten, try not to sink before I reach zero."
>>150899084Watching bunny’s eyes roooooll and sink to slits as a pocketwatch ticks her off to dreamland.
>>150899133>eyes roooooll and sink to slitsSounds awesome
What would you do if you successfully hypnotized your favorite /co/ character?
>>150898627>quick draws my Desert Eagle and shoots your forehead yeah... bet you're not so bored now. heh.
>>150890412cool
>>150899531>AmethystButtjob, twerking, then hypnotized rap number.
I asked this in the last hypno thread, but it was late in the thread.Anyone here ever had any IRL experience with hypnosis?
>>150899084gif was too big
>>150900776YESSSS
>>150899531make him take a nice long bath and eat a full meal
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>>150900776If it's skipping for you on mobile, here is another link. I couldn't get the catbox to work this time. Rip. https://bsky.app/profile/softieart.bsky.social/post/3m3j4y3nhzs23>>150901053>>150901100Glad you like it
>>150901140Am I to believe Bunny was well and truly hypnotized into twerking her big black booty onstage?
>>150901054This is why Peter Parker should be with a marvel adventures adjacent version of Emma Frost. Spider-Man should have someone who was turned good by reading his mind, but who also won’t tolerate the things he does to himself
>>150901630Not twerking, her tail was going crazy in that pic lol
>>150895043Riri is such an underrated hypnosis target. The entire inside of her helmet is one big screen that could be hacked and changed to the exact right mix of swirling colors to melt her mind
>>150901054ha
>>150886435It is a PG method to eliminate a character. Heroes can be defeated without being restrained or beaten/injured, and enemies can be defeated and removed off-screen without anybody needing to ask too many questions. It's designed to eliminate a threat (or to present a highly negative situation) without creating permanent injury to any of the characters.
Heart pounding thinking about somno fingering
>>150896759Yes
>>150904542Girl kept sleepy and docile by being brought to one soft, gentle peak of pleasure after another. "Just relax into it, sweetheart. That's it."
>>150907860Is there something I should call you for ease of identification? I get called Vriskanon, so maybe I can just call you sleepanon or something.
>>150907881Sure that works.
>>150902736i mean you can say the same for moongirl ot any hero with a helmet
I don't get this scene. From like, a narrative perspective Shanti already KNOWS how dangerous the jungle is. She doesn't need it reinforced. And she doesn't escape through any sort of cleverness or strength, she's saved by someone else in pure dumb luck.
>>150908128Cool. Don’t expect a lot of discussion from me about hypnotized girls getting fingered, though.
>>150910505Not even a butt grab?
>>150910529Butt grab is fine. In fact, a butt grab might be great if it [spoilers]ends with a pinch that sends the butt-haver into a deep slumber[/spoiler].
>>150910679Wow. Spoilers and then spoiler. How embarrassing. The only one here who needs to sleep is me. I’m sorry to everyone I’ve disappointed with this post.
>>150910679>>150910697Then sleep...
>>150910723……sleep…
>>150908899Given Ranjan saves her, I guess it could be interpreted as her allowing herself to rely on others. Feels underbaked, though. But that's the entire movie.
>>150899970>hypno villain but he's just a blackmailer forcing his victims into compromising positions and recording them
>>150912256blackmail shouldnt be this hot but it is
>>150894035Shit, shit. I just saw this somewhere in a cartoon a few months ago. Female character has to cover her face or anyone she looks at her falls under her sway. Got it. Mission Odyssey ep. 18. A love spell rather than proper hypno, though beguiling beauty is a sub-type of mind control. Just watched an Extreme Ghostbusters one too where a siren is forced to use her powers to entrance victims and steal their youth to keep her sister young.
>>150894035This is Persuasion, AKA Purple Girl.
You know, the actual non-fetish response to the OP is that fictional hypnosis is so common in comics and cartoons because it's an easy to way to just make anything happen without any good writing or characterization to justify it.Most often it's just used an excuse to make two heroes fight each other or make a hero work for the villain briefly, and people with any kind of critical eye tend to not like it since it's just a cheat to go against characterization.So, what are some examples or techniques that you could use to use mind control is a story but still keep your characterizations?I think one simple way is to just make the character do stuff under control, but still have bits of them shine through. It's not much, but I'm thinking of how in Claremont stories where everyone would get hypnotized by Mesmero or Dracula or whoever they'd get commanded to do something and everyone else would say something along the lines of "yes, Master," and Nightcrawler would say "yes, mein Herr." I'm having some trouble thinking of examples, but maybe if you are just commanding to a hero to fight other heroes or do crimes for you, they still retain some quirk or signature fighting style that they use while otherwise acting robotically.I guess another way would be to turn them into an "evil" version of themselves, but not just generically bad but working some part of their character or grievances into it. Like some of the times Sue Storm gets turned into Malice she's not just working for the bad guys, but also working out her anger over Reed being a shitty husband.Any other ideas?
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>>150886435Illustration requires a certain degree of tolerance for total objectification. You can't ask the clay what kind of pot it wants to be, and you can't ask ink on a page how it wants to become a person.
What would you consider to be the stages of hypnosis?
>>150913159>it's an easy to way to just make anything happen without any good writing or characterization to justify itI've long held the position that unconditional mind control can be nearly as risky to characterization as time travel is to narrative stakes.You basically lose the character for the duration at best, and at worst the mind controller can simply override any and all character conflict (and look stupid whenever they don't). You can also inadvertently break the characterization of the mind controller by proxy because they are essentially "writing" the characters they're controlling - what they command the characters to do becomes part of their own characterization.It's fun for a gimmick or something not taking itself too seriously (like fetish stuff), but it's such a risky thing to put in any setting. The more total and impossible to resist it is (which is often used just to absolve the victim of both guilt from whatever they were commanded to do and shame of not stopping themselves), the riskier it is to characterization more broadly. I think in a lot of settings unconditional mind control is not really worth it unless you're doing something like Jessica Jones (which that probably did better anyway), and the mind controller can only explicitly be an antagonist barring directions that they never seem to go because it kind of defeats the point (extremely reluctant to use it, always getting consent before even trying, etc.).This is something I really can't stand about Marvel's telepaths, for example. They're basically ALL mind rapists, but only seem to do petty stuff or 'solve' minor problems with it, and their fans don't really give a shit. Having such flagrant disregard for the concept of consent because the only victims are strawmen caricatures is a completely repulsive mindset to me.
Honestly, if you could get away with it, you wouldn't feel guilty either.
>>150912455>Kamala blackmailing a hypno villain
>>150913159>So, what are some examples or techniques that you could use to use mind control is a story but still keep your characterizations?There was a New Universe comic where the bad guy gave some heroines a suggestion that was longstanding, but they just continued on with their normal duties and adventures while being compelled to do the bad guy bidding and treating it kinda like an embarrassing sidejob.One thing that stuck out was one of their teammates made a snide remark about their "other boss" and the heroine was like "Stop that, you KNOW I can't talk about that."
>>150913749No I totally would. I'd be so fucking terrified of messing somebody else's brain up I'd probably never use it. That shit ain't what I'm about.
>>150914331>you fry someones brain to the point they can't make decisions or sleep without your command
>>150914399A more interesting possibility is if someone else does it. >Villain fries person’s brain until they need commands to survive >heroic mind controller forced to become their caretaker
>>150914543reserving it for stuff like this is part of why Martian Manhunter is sometimes described as "the only ethical telepath in comics"it's a very underexplored hero niche, IMO
>>150914331>>150914399Psychonauts 2 has this as a major theme
>>150913159>So, what are some examples or techniques that you could use to use mind control is a story but still keep your characterizations?Body piloting is fairly common. One might argue it's different from true mind control but in many cases it's simply the same thing but subverting the will and volition while leaving the consciousness intact.
>>150914297Never read these, but I've seen them mentioned and posted on these threads before. May have to track them down sometime.One thing that might kind of tie was that there was a miniseries called "Young Heroes In Love" in I think the '90s? Or at least some time when early reality tv stuff was still novel.The premise was that a bunch of young novice heroes are on some kind of "The Real World" type show, and twist was that the team leader was hiding from everyone that he had mind control powers, and was altering peoples' desires whenever they deviated from what he thought would bring in the best audience. I guess the violation of characterization idea kind of compliments it.Although kind of makes me think, what should the experience of being mind controlled be portrayed like? As in you're not just a robot but like it's an unpleasant job you have to do like in the New Universe thing could be an idea or is there something better.
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>>150916092Everyone is sleepy and tired
>>150916213I'm the opposite, can't focus on art or gaming, Sunday anxiousness getting to me.
>>150896245That sounds kinda hot
>>150916390Pretty sure that's at least two of the 4 panels in >>150891693
>>150916092Hawwwt
i love sleeper agents and betrayal
It's kinda funny how everyone forgot the Clone High reboot had a mass hypnosis episode
>>150913633>Get someone focused on you>Take them to trance>Command >Awakening
>>150917283Wasn’t it also a bimbo episode
>>150917485I think so, yeah. But Cleo was already bimboish
>>150914806As in somebody reluctant to use it, or somebody who's done irreparable damage and can no longer live with themselves over it (i.e. the exact fear that would keep me from ever using it)? Or just a straight up villain who's done it?
>>150918337It doesn't get that bad, but it shows how it can.Hollis Forsythe is in charge of the Psychonauts internship program, and the budget. Her number one priority is keeping them safe. Raz wants to go on a dangerous mission, so he creates the mental connection of Risk=Money.Thousands of mental connections spiral out of that one, and instantly, Hollis goes from a sober and responsible professional to a loose gambling addicted floozy who ditches the kids alone in a hotel room belonging to a dangerous criminal so she can go and gamble the entire Psychonauts federal budget on roulette. The entire first level is Raz desperately trying to undo his mistake before she can commit a federal offense and destroy the Psychonauts by blowing all their dough on a rigged game.When she's back to normal, it's revealed she made the exact same mistake Raz did. Her chauvinist mentor at a hospital took credit for her discoveries in cardiology. She made one mental connection in his mind, and he immediately became a raving lunatic that ran into an operating room naked. When the Psychonauts arrived to sort out his mind, they offered her a job.
>>150918893And to be on topic
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>>150908687I mean yeah but Riri is underrated because she’s also a genius but a bit of a ditz
>>150918893Not that portraying a misogynist exploiting a woman is wrong, but between that and all the race quota stuff in P2, including Hollis being le black girlboss, it’s impossible to appreciate. You’d think a game about psychics who can control minds would be less woke.
>>150886435Can't you just go to /d/ or /aco/? Why do you need to post your fetish shit here?
>>150920200Think whatever you want, I'm going to keep masturbating to Psychonauts 2 bitchesAlso,>being surprised a game series about mental health is wokeLovingEveryLaugh
>>150920476Leftists hate hypnotism and mind control, like Christians before them. What do you think the word ‘woke’ means? Psychonauts attempting to appease those people is self-sabotage. I’m not demanding it betray its own identity or something.
>>150920559I'm genuinely curious what kind of game you think Psychonauts is?Like, the Psychonauts title is "Defenders of Free Thought". Are you under the impression the Psychonauts is about a bunch of MiB mind controlling people for shits and giggles? The entire second half of the first game is about providing therapy to a bunch of people suffering from mental illness. Milla Vodello is black Brazilian and there's a Hispanic guy in the asylum.I'm legit trying to understand your thought process here that makes you think Psychonauts 1 is any more or less "woke" than 2.
>>150920559They will until something makes mind controllers into a metaphor for a minority group. Then they’ll claim they always liked it to avoid seeming homophobic
>>150920559>>150920200>>150920850Can we have one fetish thread without /pol/ retardation, or is the cancer in 4chan terminal?
>>150920867Your entire frame of reference for this site is Filthy Frank, iDubbz and Internet Historian. Eat shit.
>>150920952My entire frame of reference is being here for ten years, retard.
>>150920797You just self-owned. My point is that what you just described is the leftist (and conservative) perception of Psychonauts that DF adopted consideration of into the development process a la the Sonic Boom cartoon, and now you’re browbeating me and calling me a poser for noticing it, which is more layers of irony than there are layers in Helmut’s gay wedding cake.
What is Starro’s political position?
>>150921020That fascist freak-star possessed thousands of good communist soldiers.
>>150920989What the fuck are you even talking about? This entire little exchange is happening because you couldn't help but tard out over black people being in a video game.
>>150921727Disingenuous faggot. The entire exchange is visible for anyone.
